Re: HAL taking over
Chad
> or is it VIKI?
>
> Tonight on Aus news a bloke had his cruise control lock on. He rang
> the police and they stepped him through, Throttle, Brakes, Ignition,
> Transmission and finally handbrake. Nothing worked so under police
> escort he scraped an island till speed was low enough that the
> handbrake worked.
>
> Considering the thread a few weeks back I thought you may be
> interested.
>
> beers,
> build
Wow that is an interesting report. I think a lot of people assumed that cop
who was killed with his family must have been a pretty big dufus to not just
turn the ignition off.
Wonder why that doesnt work in these cases?
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Chad
Chad
build
"Open the pod bay doors HAL"
Bob Dubery
I can't speak as regards this case, but there are now cars in which
there are no keys. Consider some Renault models where you get a smart
card. It's different from the old key because it doesn't operate a
mechanical switch, it sends instructions to a CPU which then starts
the car. And once the car is started you can pull the smart card out
and stick it in your pocket. Sure there are buttons on the smart card
to stop the engine, but they too send a signal to a CPU which is
supposed to act on that signal by stopping the engine.
If the CPU goes crazy....
DAVe
Ever since the first one I have been against computers in cars and
aircraft. I hate drive by and fly by wire.
If and when I am forced to go back to the states I hope to buy an old
Camaro where the only electronic components will be cdi ignition and a
radio.
Devany
And on the radio will be static, because the rest of the world is
listening to mp3s.
Devany
If you take the ignition key out, or switch it off, the steering lock
comes on... makes it hard to turn.
(Happened to a friend of mine while he was being towed.)
TS02_05champ
Compressed garbage for people with tin ears.
Wretched Excess
> > > Wonder why that doesnt work in these cases?
>
> Ever since the first one I have been against computers in cars and
> aircraft. I hate drive by and fly by wire.
>
> If and when I am forced to go back to the states I hope to buy an old
> Camaro where the only electronic components will be cdi ignition and a
> radio.-
A Jackie Stewart reminiscence, from many years back, when he was a
Ford consultant. De Thomaso, being a Ford sideline, debuted a new (=
same old) Pantera, and Jackie was cruising it through Monaco in the
summer sun, when the electrics fried. Car stopped. Jackie found that
the ELECTRIC DOOR LOCKS were frozen, and he had to sit there broiling
thoroughly, in full public view, in the middle of the packed street,
until a De Thomaso mechanic took a long long time to fiddle the doors
open from the outside.
(While we're on JS's professional expectations, when he was doing
promotion for a petrol company, he did an informal early morning "drop-
in" at a newly-opened gas station ---- one staffer was shaving, braces
down, in the main window, and the other was sitting round the side, on
a crate, having a fag. The wee scot had a wee word.)
DAVe
> DAVe wrote:
> > If and when I am forced to go back to the states I hope to buy an old
> > Camaro where the only electronic components will be cdi ignition and a
> > radio.
>
> And on the radio will be static, because the rest of the world is
> listening to mp3s.
There will always be enough of us Luddites around for old tech to
survive.
Frank Adam
wrote:
Oh yeah, nothing like the joy of a stuck accelerator cable or linkage.
Like that never happened to me..
I've seen a lot more cars on the side of the road with the bonnet up
in the '70s than these days.
There was also a story in the last couple of days about some washing
machines being recalled because water on the lid could seep under the
control panel and electrify the lid. That part runs on low voltage so
it's just a tingle, but i guess we better go back to washing by hand
in the bathtub.
No wait, i once slipped and banged my head on the bathtub and the Doc
said it is a very common accident with kids. So make that washing in
the river.. actually no, make it a lake, rivers can have slippery
rocks. And don't take the car, you could have a hydraulic fault and
drive straight in and drown ! Ride a horse.
I'd like to say that paranoia should be banned, but i'm scared people
might come after me. ;-)
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Regards, Frank
build
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:04:20 -0800 (PST), DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com>
> >If and when I am forced to go back to the states I hope to buy an old
> >Camaro where the only electronic components will be cdi ignition and a
> >radio.
>
> Oh yeah, nothing like the joy of a stuck accelerator cable or linkage.
> Like that never happened to me..
> I've seen a lot more cars on the side of the road with the bonnet up
> in the '70s than these days.
> I'd like to say that paranoia should be banned, but i'm scared people
> might come after me. ;-)
> --
> Regards, Frank
Any car or motorcycle is a public wank. Denying that is like denying
that you ever had a solo sexual experience. Driving a race car is a
bigger wank. But, we all do it and I would rather drive an e-type V12
roadster or a 1970 firebird or ride my 1949 Ariel as those wanks are
better than yours. Gnah, ngah.
I'm comin ;-)
beers,
build
DAVe
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:04:20 -0800 (PST), DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com>
> >If and when I am forced to go back to the states I hope to buy an old
> >Camaro where the only electronic components will be cdi ignition and a
> >radio.
>
> Oh yeah, nothing like the joy of a stuck accelerator cable or linkage.
I had that happen twice. Once on a small bike with no key had to kick
the spark plug cap off. One in my 67 Buick Special I merely turned off
the key.
The problem is when you don't have a way to shut off the motor as is
the case with the new fully computer controlled cars.
Ray O'Hara
"Devany" <noone@thisaddress> wrote in message
news:v76dnTJQ7PgwkbXW...@bt.com...
MP3s are are doomed, flac. and shn. files are taking over.
Bigbird
How to cut yourself off form the world.
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Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
JerryD(upstateNY)
are no keys. Consider some Renault models where you get a smart card. It's
different from the old key because it doesn't operate a mechanical switch,
it sends instructions to a CPU which then starts the car. And once the car
is started you can pull the smart card out and stick it in your pocket. Sure
there are buttons on the smart card to stop the engine, but they too send a
signal to a CPU which is supposed to act on that signal by stopping the
You could drill a hole through the dashboard, into the engine compartment,
run a rope through the hole and tie one end of the rope to a handfull of
igniion wires.
That way if something made the engine run wild, you just pull on the rope.
<g>
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JerryD(upstateNY)
APLer
news:v76dnTJQ7PgwkbXW...@bt.com:
White noise it's called. Calms the nerves it does. If you listen to it
carefully enough, you can hear the universe being created - no bull. And
you don't get rude interuptions from some microcephalic with a "golden
throat".
NM
Wot Ariel do you have? I had a red hunter.
Wretched Excess
> Oh yeah, nothing like the joy of a stuck accelerator cable or linkage.
> Like that never happened to me..
> I've seen a lot more cars on the side of the road with the bonnet up
> in the '70s than these days.
>
Right; I had a 1971 Plymouth Satellite Sebring coupe, nice crackly
383 V-8, and although I noticed it getting distinctly jumpy on the
gas, I never looked enough to spot a broken engine mount. So, one day
hanging a tight left at the lights, I gassed it hard, and the motor
reared up enough to keep the throttle open ---- I still can't remember
how I got it to the side of the road and stopped. Later that day I
asked a buddy to look under the hood while I revved it, and he jumped
back with a scream ---- problem identified.
Wretched Excess
> I had that happen twice. Once on a small bike with no key had to kick
> the spark plug cap off.
Neighbour in the UK, about 50 years ago, throttle cable on his BSA
frayed and snapped one night on his way home. Friendly garage did a
very quick fix-it ----- soldered the frayed ends together, but
resulted in enough overlap that the gas was about half-way open. So,
kick-start, WRAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH, one stamp-snarl-change into 2nd, and
he rode home faster than he wanted, on a mix of clutch and brake
fudging. Said it was fun for about 10 seconds, then not fun at all.
Bigbird
With all "those wanks" I'm guessing biological...with softener.
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
build
> NM wrote:
> > > Any car or motorcycle is a public wank. Denying that is like denying
> > > that you ever had a solo sexual experience. Driving a race car is a
> > > bigger wank. But, we all do it and I would rather drive an e-type
> > > V12 roadster or a 1970 firebird or ride my 1949 Ariel as those
> > > wanks are better than yours. Gnah, ngah.
> > Wot Ariel do you have? I had a red hunter.
>
> With all "those wanks" I'm guessing biological...with softener.
>
> --
> Bigbird
Hmmm, I guess you do not have any wank toys to brag about, that's a
shame.
beers,
build
Bigbird
I have a sense of humour. I guess not having one leaves you in the dark
with your "pure clean" tidy whities. ;)
Less beers, please. :)
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
build
> build wrote:
> > Hmmm, I guess you do not have any wank toys to brag about, that's a
> > shame.
> > beers,
> > build
> I have a sense of humour. I guess not having one leaves you in the dark
> with your "pure clean" tidy whities. ;)
> Bigbird
ROFL, you just can't admit you do not have toys? I must admit I was
guessing but then you confirm it. C'mon mate you *need* a life, go get
a toy.
beers and lots of them,
build
Bigbird
> On Dec 17, 7:13�pm, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.usenetNOS...@Gmail.com> wrote:
> > build wrote:
> > > Hmmm, I guess you do not have any wank toys to brag about, that's
> > > a shame.
> > > beers,
> > > build
>
> > I have a sense of humour. I guess not having one leaves you in the
> > dark with your "pure clean" tidy whities. ;)
> > Bigbird
>
> ROFL, you just can't admit you do not have toys? I must admit I was
> guessing but then you confirm it. C'mon mate you need a life, go get
> a toy.
>
> beers and lots of them,
As if your posts weren't evidence enough.