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What's with that pvc pipe in victory lane?!

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Cliff Schwinger

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Oct 7, 2001, 8:09:37 PM10/7/01
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What's the deal with those two Nascar guys that were holding up that pvc
pipe "handrail" against Sterling's car in victory lane? I am assuming
that Nascar's lawyers thought this would be a prudent safety measure. I
have a better idea - why not slow the cars down to about 55 mph.

I am all for safety - but I think that was a little extreme. Besides
from the looks of things that "handrail" would not have done much to
prevent Sterling from falling if he lost his footing climbing on the
roof of the car,.... then again, maybe that was a guardrail to prevent
him from climbing onto the roof of his car!!

Cliff

KLadd

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Oct 7, 2001, 8:17:52 PM10/7/01
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>then again, maybe that was a guardrail to prevent
>him from climbing onto the roof of his car!!

That's it! Last week they mentioned that was what it was for. Looks junky to
me! Maybe they don't want the excitement of the drivers jumping on the roof,
spraying their crew, and being all excited. Instead lets get them on the ground
and throw a microphone in their face so we can cut to a commercial and get more
$$$.

But now they stand on the door / window. What is worse? Also, I don't recall
any drivers being killed durig the Victory Lane celebration. Guess NASCAR is
being proactive!

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Leslie

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Oct 8, 2001, 1:57:09 AM10/8/01
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> That's it! Last week they mentioned that was what it was for. Looks junky
to
> me! Maybe they don't want the excitement of the drivers jumping on the
roof,
> spraying their crew, and being all excited. Instead lets get them on the
ground
> and throw a microphone in their face so we can cut to a commercial and get
more
> $$$.
>
> But now they stand on the door / window. What is worse? Also, I don't
recall
> any drivers being killed durig the Victory Lane celebration. Guess NASCAR
is
> being proactive!

It is to prevent the drivers from jumping on the roof. That way the drives
can not use the excuse of jumping on the roof when the car doesn't pass the
"height inspection", or something to that effect.

Leslie

Draft

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Oct 8, 2001, 10:58:50 AM10/8/01
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I'd like to see who is going to be the first company to buy and slap and ad on
that stupid barrier.

Matthew Perreault

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Oct 8, 2001, 12:03:25 PM10/8/01
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Personally I think tyhat the barrier is idiotic! Why not just tell the
drivers not to jump on the roof? Of course they also say it's for the
drivers safety. The only thing I can see it stopping safety wise is the
stage dives onto the drivers crewmembers. You asll happen to notice they
started this after Juniors win and his dive?

I wished they'd just tell the drivers not to do whatever it is and get rid
of those ridiculous "silly sticks".

MATT

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Todd Hurley

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Oct 9, 2001, 2:26:44 PM10/9/01
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I think the PVC barrier is a poor attempt to prevent the driver from hoping
up on the roof. It gives NASCAR a black-eye. The way to prevent drivers
from hoping onto the top of the car is to tell them in the pre-race drivers
meeting that if you jump on the roof of the car you will loose the points
earned in the race. Better yet after the race is over, sent them through
tech during a commerical break so they can jump all they want. I am sure
that the television people would love that. It seem that they wait for
television to let the drivers out of the car anyway.

The fact that the say is for driver's safety is a bunch of crap. Look at
car safety during the race and when that is taken care of move to post-race
safety.


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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Oct 9, 2001, 7:30:16 PM10/9/01
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:11:01 CST, zenit <zen...@youryahoo.com> wrote:

>Were I the driver, I'd be tempted to exit through the other window,
>mount the roof, do my celebration thing, and hop on down to do the
>interview...

Temptation is like that. As the Mayberry Deputy says,
"Nip It In The Bud." ;o)

>NASCAR is wandering off in its attempt to control every
>facet of their races, with the sole exception of mandating safety
>equipment... I find their actions truly strange and illogical...

I doubt that they're making things up just to cause trouble.

But the PVC is ugly.

They should have a victory platform for the driver. Set it
up just outside his window. It has to be low enough
to let him get his legs out, but high enough for him to
tower over the crowd. I think that's all the drivers
want--to stand up and shout and spray their friends.

Marty

Deven Atkinson

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Oct 10, 2001, 8:53:15 AM10/10/01
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If I were in a position to influence drivers, I would have them set up a
fund to pay the fines, and get everyone to jump on the roofs. Heck, I'd
invite the entire crew to participate in the roof jumping.
If NASCAR is so concerned about the height measurements, then they should
get them before the celebration in victory lane!

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Cindy Murray

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Oct 10, 2001, 1:47:37 PM10/10/01
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I agree, they need to do the inspection BEFORE the car gets to victory lane,
and then let the driver jump on the car all he wants. The PVC looks like
CRAP. (Can I say that in the mod. group?)

Deven Atkinson wrote:

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Anthony S

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Oct 10, 2001, 4:06:05 PM10/10/01
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>From: Cindy Murray

>I agree, they need to do the inspection BEFORE the car gets to victory lane,
>and then let the driver jump on the car all he wants. The PVC looks like
>CRAP. (Can I say that in the mod. group?)

Its hard to fault someone for speaking the truth. I agree. Take it down!
Petition anyone? It really is a silly rule at best. Why not spend more time
investigating accidents where racers really have been hurt or nearly hurt? How
many racers have fallen off cars and gotten injured during celebrations? I
can't think of one.


Anthony S
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"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level,
and beat you with experience."

Crusader

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Oct 10, 2001, 4:08:33 PM10/10/01
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zenit <zen...@youryahoo.com> wrote in message news:dop6stk7r85iih2c8...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:26:44 CST, "Todd Hurley"
> <thu...@columbus.rr.com>:
> :

> : opened a new box of zerones and said:
>
> >I think the PVC barrier is a poor attempt to prevent the driver from hoping
> >up on the roof. It gives NASCAR a black-eye.
>
> Were I the driver, I'd be tempted to exit through the other window,
> mount the roof, do my celebration thing, and hop on down to do the
> interview... NASCAR is wandering off in its attempt to control every

> facet of their races, with the sole exception of mandating safety
> equipment... I find their actions truly strange and illogical...
>
> zenit
> <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
> <style>
> a{opinion-decoration:none}
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>
Someone said 'Timing Is Everything'...I wonder if there is any timing involved
Between Dale's Mosh Pit Dive at Dover and JG's woohoo roof-gate at KC?
Did Junior pull a muscle doing his dive, or dent his roof?
Fer Shur, NA$CAR should do the roof template during the 5 minute commercial break
between the checkered flag and when TV allows the winning driver to get out of his car.

Gary S

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Oct 11, 2001, 7:09:51 AM10/11/01
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It really would not be that tough to template the car before they role it
into victory lane.
Gary


Gary S

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Oct 11, 2001, 7:31:57 AM10/11/01
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Steve Frederick

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Oct 11, 2001, 11:36:52 AM10/11/01
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I have been reading all this griping about the pvc pipe. Well it is ugly.
Yes they (NASCAR) should just tell the drivers not to jump on the roof or
risk big penalties (loss of all points gained in the race) and that should
keep the drivers off the roofs. The pvc pipe to to allow the roof to be
inspected after the race in the inspection station.
Now for the idea of having them inspect the car before entering victory lane,
it could be done, but it would take about fifteen minutes to do so. The
'official' roof measuring gage is located in the inspection 'room of doom'.
It is here because it is specifically built and leveled to do this job. It
is step up very carefully and is used on every car. That way no one would
have an advantage over any other car. And this is the same gage that is used
after the race. Building a 'portable' gage to run out to the end of pit road
to measure the car would not be as accurate, and would cause more flack and
suspicion than it would eliminate. It would not be as accurate because it
would have to be erected very quickly and the chance for error would be way
off the scale.

Sorry for rain cloud, just my two cents.

Steve

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Oct 11, 2001, 2:32:33 PM10/11/01
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:36:52 CST, Steve Frederick
<sfred...@morrisoncompany.com> wrote:

> The
>'official' roof measuring gage is located in the inspection 'room of doom'.
>It is here because it is specifically built and leveled to do this job. It
>is step up very carefully and is used on every car. That way no one would
>have an advantage over any other car. And this is the same gage that is used

>after the race. ...

I hate it when facts spoil a good theory.

New idea: the officials can just do a Vulcan mind meld on
the driver after he hops up and down on the roof to see
whether it was an innocent celebration or a hoax.

Um, wait: I wonder how many times cars have failed
inspection after the race? How many times did the
teams say, "It was because he jumped on the roof?"
Is the PVC pipe in fact a clue about things we don't
see on TV?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I guess I'll have to turn up the gain on my ESP. The
answers haven't come in yet.

Marty

Anthony S

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Oct 11, 2001, 9:13:26 PM10/11/01
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>From: "Martin X. Moleski, SJ

Every car builder has a set of templates too. It's what they use to make the
cars. Their setups aren't nearly as elaborate as Nascar's. You can make a
template portable too. When cut from an appropriately thick piece of aluminum
one person can easily carry it and it is plenty rigid too. Nascar could
template the car in under 1 min if they chose to make the effort. They simply
are being silly. It is easily possible. Its just highly improbable given the
current state of affairs. They are blaming safety manufacturers for serious
incidents instead of trying to make the cars safer themselves. I think that
alone demonstrates the current Nascar political climate.

I liked it better when the racers could race each other, there were way less
commercials on ESPN, and drivers could jump up and down on the roof if they
wanted too and Nascar worried about safety and little else. Now the sport is
about millions upon millions of dollars and politics.

Oh well, rant over....

The fact is Nascar doesn't want to template the cars. They want to be silly
with PVC pipe instead.

Mphsrick58

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Oct 14, 2001, 7:26:58 PM10/14/01
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FOLKS WHEN YOU START TREATING IT LIKE BIG BUSINESS INSTEAD OF A SPORT YOU TAKE
THE FUN OUT OF IT.

dlg

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Oct 14, 2001, 9:08:44 PM10/14/01
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Mphsrick58 wrote:

> FOLKS WHEN YOU START TREATING IT LIKE BIG BUSINESS INSTEAD OF A SPORT YOU TAKE
> THE FUN OUT OF IT.

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