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Mike Simmons

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Aug 16, 2008, 10:50:54 PM8/16/08
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There I was driving home from work this afternoon listening to the NNS race
on Sirius when it hit me! A blinding flash of inspiration on how to cure
NASCAR's woes in one fell swoop Before contacting NASCAR with my brainstorm
however I do intend to hike up the mountain and run it by the elders first.

Here goes.....

The NCTS is really just the NNS cars in a working class body, right? Soooo
to generate fan and manufacturer interest, we change it to diesel powered
trucks. This will appeal to the enviro's and open up new sponsorship
opportunities. The trucks must run factory sheet metal and are restricted
to the diesel engines that are available to the public, ala Cummins, Duramax
and Powerstroke. Toyota will have to resort to plan B. The hardcore fans
will like it 'cause they will be trucks that they can actually buy....
weeeeellllll... kinda sorta.

The NNS becomes NASCAR's ponycar series and runs factory ponycar sheetmetal.
Also, they will use production engines available to the public... again,
kinda sorta. There will be a displacement limit of 5.7-5.8 liters and you
can run OHV or OHC, whatever suits yer fancy. If it is a hemi, no problemo!
This will give the manufacturers something to get really excited about, just
like the good old days.

The NNC series stays about the same with cookie cutter cars and engines and
all the restrictions and BS to remain in place to make sure that everyone is
"competitive".

Betcha it wouldn't be long before the NNC would take a back seat to the NCTS
and NNS.

This would open up lots of new sponsorship opportunities, especially in the
truck series. The Flying J 250, the Pilot 200, the Rotella 350, etc.

If NASCAR really wants to impress the greenies, they could even require
bio-diesel. Why, they could even have a herd of cows in the infield
crankin' out bio-diesel as the trucks circled the track!! What a country!

Since I have thunk this up my own self, whaddya all think of the new NASCAR?
Exciting, ain't it?

Why this could be one of them there pair o'dimes shift they are always
talkin' about!

Yer input requested...

;^)

Mike


bob.p...@gmail.com

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Aug 17, 2008, 9:52:45 AM8/17/08
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On Aug 16, 10:50 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti.net> wrote:


> Why this could be one of them there pair o'dimes shift they are always
> talkin' about!
>
> Yer input requested...


By jove, I think he's got it....

John McCoy

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Aug 17, 2008, 11:26:55 AM8/17/08
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"Mike Simmons" <mik...@yhti.net> wrote in
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> The NCTS is really just the NNS cars in a working class body, right?
> Soooo to generate fan and manufacturer interest, we change it to
> diesel powered trucks. This will appeal to the enviro's and open up
> new sponsorship opportunities. The trucks must run factory sheet
> metal and are restricted to the diesel engines that are available to
> the public, ala Cummins, Duramax and Powerstroke. Toyota will have to
> resort to plan B. The hardcore fans will like it 'cause they will be
> trucks that they can actually buy.... weeeeellllll... kinda sorta.

I'd suggested something similar a while back (namely, that the
CTS should allow teams to choose either a diesel or a gas engine,
with some suitable equivalence formula - this was motivated by
observing that one of the interesting stories in the ALMS is the
battle between the diesel Audi and the gas Porsche, with the
more powerful Audi having the advantage on the big tracks, and
the Porsche having the advantage on the tighter tracks).

I don't think Toyota would have a problem if the CTS went diesel.
They make a bazillion diesels in the non-US markets, so it's not
an alien technology for them. I expect, in fact, that Toyota
will offer a diesel half-ton pickup (i.e. F150 size) before any
of the Detroit makers do.

John

Mike Simmons

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Aug 17, 2008, 2:02:55 PM8/17/08
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> I'd suggested something similar a while back (namely, that the
> CTS should allow teams to choose either a diesel or a gas engine,
> with some suitable equivalence formula - this was motivated by
> observing that one of the interesting stories in the ALMS is the
> battle between the diesel Audi and the gas Porsche, with the
> more powerful Audi having the advantage on the big tracks, and
> the Porsche having the advantage on the tighter tracks).


You know, now that I search my remembery, I think I do recall the thread.
So my epiphany wasn't an epiphany after all... <sob>... just when I thought
I had an original idea, it turned into a Biden moment... durn!

Well, I still like the idea 'cept I would make the NCTS exclusively diesel
and allow the manufacturers to use their engine suppliers engines even
though they are somewhat different from each other. That would throw
Cummins, Isuzu and Navistar into the mix. Yup, Toyota has plenty of sources
for a diesel so that woudn't be a problem. From what I've been reading,
Dodge will have the first diesel in a light duty pickup with the Cummins V-6
and V-8's coming in '10.

Mike

Megan Zurawicz

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Aug 17, 2008, 3:14:53 PM8/17/08
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Seems the F150's aiming at the same target:

http://www.truckblog.com/story-2089-2010_ford_f150_diesel_pickup_truck_photo
s

--pig


On 8/17/08 2:02 PM, in article C5adnf-KfdMtxDXV...@posted.yhti,

YooperBoyka

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Aug 28, 2008, 6:58:39 PM8/28/08
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I happened to see a "disguised" F-1?? diesel on I-75 towing a weighted
(lead blocks) trailer a couple days ago.
Not nearly as noisy as they used to be, but the sound is still distinctive.

Cindy Murray

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Aug 29, 2008, 8:02:44 AM8/29/08
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I *hate* the sound of a diesel truck. I hate the *feel* of them, too.
They have a distinctive vibration pattern, even the newer ones. Hubby
wanted to get one a couple of years ago when he bought his new truck and
I talked him out of it. I'm glad I did, since diesel prices spiked
after that.

Cindy

John McCoy

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Aug 29, 2008, 7:04:46 PM8/29/08
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Cindy Murray <c1nd...@tx.rr.com> wrote in
news:g98kvv$pir$1...@registered.motzarella.org:

> I *hate* the sound of a diesel truck. I hate the *feel* of them, too.
> They have a distinctive vibration pattern, even the newer ones. Hubby
> wanted to get one a couple of years ago when he bought his new truck
> and I talked him out of it. I'm glad I did, since diesel prices
> spiked after that.

It depends on what you use the truck for...if you use it to run
over to Home Depot for a 2x4 once every couple of weeks (*), the
diesel won't pay off. But if you're hauling a load or a trailer
on the highway, it's easy to get a gas F250 into single digit
mpg. Getting 13 or 14mpg with the diesel quickly pays off under
those conditions.

John

(* like I do)

Cindy Murray

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Aug 31, 2008, 12:17:26 PM8/31/08
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Yeah, hubby has mixed use. He has a Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab with 4x4.
Most days he uses it to commute back and forth to work (gas was still
around $1.50 a gallon when he bought it!). But on weekends, he uses it
to tow a 26 ft trailer full of Boy Scout gear all over the state. But
he's not hauling the trailer all the time, and his daily commute is
around 24 miles one way, so the diesel just won't pay off for him like
it would for someone else. Plus, when we drive back home for visits, we
like taking the smaller state highways, and there's not many places to
buy diesel there. We'd have to stick to the interstate, which sucks and
takes a lot longer.

Cindy

Mike Simmons

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Aug 31, 2008, 1:53:11 PM8/31/08
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"Cindy Murray" <c1nd...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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"real" trucks rattle...

;^)

Mike
'03 Dodge/Cummins

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