AGR's Wheldon to Replace Button at BAR?
.
3 of 4 races this year and last years championship
bridesmaid, may be tapped to replace Button @
Bar. Once again giving lie to the canard that F1
wouldn't be interested in this league's drivers.
Btw, other IRL pilots that have had F1 tests
include Andretti, Unser, Franchitti, Dixon ...
Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:q_4ge.7393$Fa1.3484@fed1read02...
> Speculation that the IRL points leader, winner of
> 3 of 4 races this year and last years championship
> bridesmaid, may be tapped to replace Button @
> Bar. Once again giving lie to the canard that F1
> wouldn't be interested in this league's drivers.
This very valid canard comes from data learned during the tests. After the
tests, no IRL driver has ever been offered a racing position.
Just ask Franchitti, Dixon...
> Btw, other IRL pilots that have had F1 tests
> include Andretti, Unser, Franchitti, Dixon ...
Unser and Andretti were CART drivers when they tested, but good try anyway.
.
in message news:1181nv4...@news.supernews.com...
And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
Terry Gough
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:q_4ge.7393$Fa1.3484@fed1read02...
> Speculation that the IRL points leader, winner of
> 3 of 4 races this year and last years championship
> bridesmaid, may be tapped to replace Button @
> Bar. Once again giving lie to the canard that F1
> wouldn't be interested in this league's drivers.
>
> http://speedtv.com/articles/formulaone/auto/16782/
>
>
>
Terry Gough
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
breather like you get to use a computer?
Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
> And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
> for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
>
Excellent comeback...not. You had no point --- you could not refute my
assertions -- so you stated the obvious.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah
Probert
"Terry Gough" <gough...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3ec914F...@individual.net...
> This is hilarious!!! Joke of the week!!
Perhaps because Ant-knee Davidson isn't racing in the US.
I'll take a wild guess and say that Davidson will take Button's seat at BAR
next year - always assuming that Jenson doesn't get the 75% of the
championship leader's points by July 31st when Williams can take up their
option.
Cheers,
Probert.
.
>
> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
>
> > And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
> > for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
> ... so you stated the obvious.
It certainly is obvious isn't it.
The truth hurts don't it.
.
The truth hurts don't it?
"Terry Gough" <gough...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3ec914F...@individual.net...
Pat Melanson
> Tell it to the Speed TV site, it's their article, not mine.
>
> The truth hurts don't it?
>
>
blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions, and you are just another IRL shill.
Davidson will most likely get the spot, unless BAR Honda are looking for oval
experience in F1 (which is doubtful).
You must be another dumbass Yank who is bereft of any knowledge of what
occurs outside of the concrete bunker you live in. The IRL is a joke.
Why does it use the term "League"? Do they play Rugby between races or
something?
.
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Calling ME an IRL shill demonstrates just what a clown
YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
Carey Akin
"Pat Melanson" <pat.melan...@ccmdn.biz> wrote in message
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< The IRL is a joke.
> Why does it use the term "League"? Do they play Rugby between races or
> something?
Rugby league sucks. Union is a real game.
Carey in Manvel
gsh...@fuse.net
Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:0I6ge.7427$Fa1.6064@fed1read02...
You are sooooo right , on this paticular fact.
The truth is F1 doesn't want or need any IRL drivers. No F1 team has ever
offered any IRL driver a racing contract.
The truth really does hurt, non?
Allan Pagan
Speculation, rumor and connected dots! You making assumptions based
on zero seat time in the car, eh? When is Wheldon testing? He is a
long way from the race seat, and you are already making assumptions
that he'll be driving the race car next year!?! Anybody for a wager
Wheldon doesn't get a BAR F1 race seat next year? C'mon
speculation-boy, show us your faith in Wheldon and TG's folly. Don't
you think BAR retained Anthony Davidson and blocked him from going to
Williams even to test for very specific reasons, rumor-breath?
Let's see Andretti when he was in CART, Unser when he was in CART,
Fanchitti when he was in CART. Dixon's test went bust when the regular
test driver was faster, and Dixon was interminably slow in the wet.
How about Helio testing with Toyota as was Da Matta, and the Two Time
IRL 500 Champion (cough-cough) was offered a test role while Da Matta
was given the race seat. It's true no regular IRL driver has made the
move to F1, yes? Not even as a test driver, let alone a race seat.
Not ever! That would give lie to your canard that F1 is reaching into
the IRL for drivers for the few available race seats. They haven't
yet, in ten long years. And, you are some sort of a dishonest weasel
by representing the majority of your list of drivers as IRL-ers testing
in F1, yes? It would seem the IRL is not fertile ground to develop a
career path to F1. That is, despite all the hype, misrepresentation
and bullshit you sling.
The most interesting piece of rumor in the article, "Honda's rumored
departure from the IRL to follow Toyota into NASCAR could be the final
piece of the Wheldon-to-BAR puzzle." However, I did notice you made no
mention of that.
.
>
> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
news:0I6ge.7427$Fa1.6064@fed1read02...
> > "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com>
wrote
> > in message news:1181rjt...@news.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
> > news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
> > >
> > > > And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
> > > > for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
> >
> > > ... so you stated the obvious.
> >
> >
> >
> > It certainly is obvious isn't it.
> >
> > The truth hurts don't it.
>
> You are sooooo right , on this paticular fact.
>
>
Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93. He drove in the IRL
in 2003, his team dominated and won the championship, breaking
multiple records in the process in the succeeding year, in his first
full year as an owner/non-driver.
.
news:MPG.1cead77e6...@news.individual.net...
> Jim Roberts <jr2...@excite.com> wrote in message:
> news:<MPG.1cead510f...@news.individual.net>news:<D27ge.7472$Fa1.369@fed1read02>
> > > YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
> > > before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
> > > series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
> > > Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> > > Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> The IRL is an example of what happens when American teams and their
drivers
> follow the sponsorship money into an almost exclusively oval series
which
> attracts zero attention in the sports media, TV ratings and produces
races
> with a dizzying amount of empty stands flying by as the drivers
attempt to
> navigate "cookie cutter" underpowered, high downforce, bloated cars
which
> tend to remind experienced fans of Karting Leagues and not genuine car
> racing.
>
> I hear that Honda and Toyota are leaving the IRL, since Honda
subsidizes
> Andretti Green to the tune of 3 cars / race, that's going to be it for
them.
>
> The previous poster (who uses a blank for his name) is being dishonest
and
> misleading when he lumps Andretti, Unser, and Foyt in with the drivers
> because they are team owners and most were financed by Tony George at
one
> time or another. As for the drivers, most of them wish they were road
racing
> and not in this pathetic empty stands "league" at all. It's too bad
that the
> IRL cars are so slow on road courses, it means that the IRL doesn't
even have
> that to fall back on.
Both Michael Andretti (hell even Mario has been
behind an IRL wheel) AND Al Unser Jr. have been
full time participants in the IRL as drivers. Also Paul
Tracy and Bruno Junquiera (soon to include even the
frightened Sebastien Bourdais) have participated in an
IRL event.
Perry Watson
> > YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
> > before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
> > series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
> > Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> > Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
> >
> >
Emma
>The article is an opinion piece written by an uninformed IRL shill making
>blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions
Which must be why a respected site like Grandprix.com is carrying a
similar story:-
Dan Wheldon is doing very well at the moment in the Indy Racing League
but the young British driver is still keen on breaking into Formula 1
and at the weekend Wheldon's manager Julian Jakoby was busy chatting to
teams in Barcelona to see what jobs might be available. Wheldon is a big
favourite with Honda in the United States and with the Japanese firm
rumoured to be stopping its IRL programme, it could be that Wheldon may
try to get into F1. BAR will almost certainly have a vacancy as Jenson
Button will leave to join Williams and the team needs a replacement.
Several other drivers are already talking to the team about deals.
--
Emma - The Chocolate Monster
http://www.chocmonster.rules.it
http://www.altgallery.shows.it
.
news:1115752746.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Again, for the doltish louts out there (I'll write slowly):
I D I D N ' T P E N T H A T A R T I C L E.
You have a complaint? Take it up with either the
Speed TV site or the articles author.
.
> Emma <Em...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message:
> news:<$eUG+7Cn...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk>
> > Pat Melanson <pat.melan...@ccmdn.biz> writes
> > >The article is an opinion piece written by an uninformed IRL shill
making
> > >blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions
> >
> > Which must be why a respected site like Grandprix.com is carrying a
> > similar story:-
>
You Chumps have more lame excuses and
rationalizations than the universe has quarks.
Pete Fenelon
>
>
> Dan Wheldon is doing very well at the moment in the Indy Racing League
> but the young British driver is still keen on breaking into Formula 1
> and at the weekend Wheldon's manager Julian Jakoby was busy chatting to
Senna's old manager, FWIW - and therefore also someone Honda have dealt
with in the past. ;)
Dan could well come out of this year's IRL as champion, and it's not
like he's a pure oval racer - his background is on road circuits.
Davidson might edge him on F1 experience, but Wheldon's certainly a
good driver.
pete
--
pe...@fenelon.com "We ask ourselves 'what will become of Evil Gazebo?'"
Allan Pagan
No! I have a complaint with your own words and I quote, "Once again
giving lie to the canard that F1 wouldn't be interested in this
league's drivers. Btw, other IRL pilots that have had F1 tests include
Andretti, Unser, Franchitti, Dixon ..." You didn't address those words
of your own invention, and my response concerned your own stupid
speculations. That was NOT part of the article, was it?
> You have a complaint? Take it up with either the
> Speed TV site or the articles author.
I complained about you and your own words, not the article. It's
obvious you can't and won't defend your own words, and subsequently you
used this stupid dodge as reasoned response. So you're not only
deliberately deceitful, but a poor reader as well? This most recent
attempted misdirection portrays the real doltish lout in these
environs. That would clearly be you.
Maybe you could pen another Seb was beaten by a girl gem, eh,
speculation-breath? So far you are showing the spine of a snake and
the intelligence of a doorknob. What an ultra maroon.
.
Are you truly this rock-hard stupid or is it your most fervent desire
and expectation that your intended audience is? The IRL has only
been a respectable series the last two or three years or so. Prior to
that there were basically no top echelon owners or drivers of the
Andretti, Penske, Ganassi, Rahal, Kanaan, Franchitti, Wheldon or
Castroneves caliber. More recently the IRL's events have included
nearly ALL of the current top open-wheel teams and drivers in
America. Da Matta is in fact the only remaining potential contender
in Car-Towrs who hasn't participated in an IRL event; but allow
that inevitability some time, it's his first year back.
AGR Racer
> Are you truly this rock-hard stupid or is it your most fervent desire
> and expectation that your intended audience is? The IRL has only
> been a respectable series the last two or three years or so. Prior to
> that there were basically no top echelon owners or drivers of the
> Andretti, Penske, Ganassi, Rahal, Kanaan, Franchitti, Wheldon or
> Castroneves caliber.
>
"top" owners who have little future remaining in the IRL because it has no
attraction to fans or sponsors. This despite their penchant for trying
street and road races. That's why AGR will be toast once Honda leaves and
Penske is already on his way out because of his latest project in ALMS, with
the goal of winning a REAL prestige race, LeMans. Who knows where Rahal will
end up? He changes with the wind.
You can keep repeating the names all you like, but it doesn't matter a bit
because the racing is monotonous, the league is slipping away and you can
argue Andretti being a upper echelon team owner all you wish, but all he's
proven so far is that Honda's money buys wins. No proof that he's any good.
You're reaming your own ass with all that rubbish you spew. Get a grip.
Mr Jinx
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:vf8ge.7655$Fa1.6561@fed1read02...
> "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com> wrote
> in message news:11821l6...@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:0I6ge.7427$Fa1.6064@fed1read02...
>> > "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com>
> wrote
>> > in message news:1181rjt...@news.supernews.com...
>> > >
>> > > "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
>> > >
>> > > > And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
>> > > > for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
>> >
>> > > ... so you stated the obvious.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It certainly is obvious isn't it.
>> >
>> > The truth hurts don't it.
>>
>> You are sooooo right , on this paticular fact.
>>
>> No F1 team has ever offered any IRL driver a racing contract.
>>
>
> Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
Yes and he was uncommitted and downright shit throughout most of the season
until he was fired by McLaren for being an utter waste of space. Sure he
can win in IRL, but hell, does that mean shit in the real world of
motorsport? I think not...
Jinx
Mr Jinx
>
> Calling ME an IRL shill demonstrates just what a clown
> YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
> before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
> series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
> Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
>
So what? who cares who races in it. The series itself, the racing, the cars
, the circuits are all dull and terribly boring. And yes. I have seen an IRL
race. 3 in fact, when
it was first broadcast in the UK. I tried really hard to like it, but
couldn't. So boring
jinx
.
news:MPG.1ceb08ae...@news.individual.net...
Kindly don't pretend to advise me junior, I neither desire nor require
your worthless rationalizations and deceits. The current IRL is largely
the old CART which you had formerly held in such high esteem but
which you now attempt to pretend consists of unworthy participants.
Who in the hell do you think you're kidding?
.
news:Ksbge.1335$WQ3...@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
Among the Ayrton Senna teammate's M A N Y accomplishments
are that he remains Cart's ALL TIME winningest driver. Your
post would easily qualify among Usenets all time least informed
and stupidest responses.
.
>
> >
> > Calling ME an IRL shill demonstrates just what a clown
> > YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
> > before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
> > series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
> > Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> > Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
> >
>
> So what? who cares who races in it. The series itself, the racing, the
The points change as fast as they're refuted
don't they, hard to hit that moving target. Do
be sure to continue attempting to find facts to
support your preconceived notions won't you.
AGR Racer
> > Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
> > contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93.....
>
> Yes and he was uncommitted and downright shit throughout most of the season
> until he was fired by McLaren for being an utter waste of space. Sure he
> can win in IRL, but hell, does that mean shit in the real world of
> motorsport? I think not...
>
> Jinx
Michael Andretti was not an IRL pilot when he raced in F1, no more than you
can say Eddie Cheever or Michale Alboretto were when they were in F1. Dot is
an ass. He's grasping at straws in desperation. What a complete dipshit.
.
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> Mr Jinx <nos...@here.please> wrote in message:
> news:<Ksbge.1335$WQ3...@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>
> >
> > "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
news:vf8ge.7655$Fa1.6561@fed1read02...
>
> > > Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
> > > contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93.....
> >
> > Yes and he was uncommitted and downright shit throughout most of the
season
> > until he was fired by McLaren for being an utter waste of space.
Sure he
> > can win in IRL, but hell, does that mean shit in the real world of
> > motorsport? I think not...
> >
> > Jinx
>
>
> Michael Andretti was not an IRL pilot when he raced in F1, no more
As my post ORIGINALLY AND CLEARLY STATED::
"Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93. He drove in the
IRL in 2003, his team dominated and won the championship,
breaking multiple records in the process in the succeeding
year, in his first full year as an owner/non-driver."
Besides, my poor facts and logic challenged pathetic
adversary, the IRL hadn't yet come into existence by '93.
You're truly a third rate buffoon!
Iain Miller
My guess would be he might get a test & if he does he'll have to do a lot
better than that other IRL "superstar" Scott Dixon did.
I.
Bobby D
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:aKbge.7759$Fa1.7043@fed1read02...
> Kindly don't pretend to advise me junior, I neither desire nor require
> your worthless rationalizations and deceits. The current IRL is largely
> the old CART which you had formerly held in such high esteem but
> which you now attempt to pretend consists of unworthy participants.
>
> Who in the hell do you think you're kidding?
Easy, easy....I think he's funny as hell.
Sorta reminds me of the guy I see on 42nd St.
talking to himself about some Cubs game 50 years ago.
Allan Pagan
. wrote:
> "Allan Pagan" <allan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1115757456.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > . wrote:
> > > "Allan Pagan" <allan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > Again, for the doltish louts out there (I'll write slowly):
Still having trouble with comprehension, I see. It is my contention
that you and you alone are dimly foolish and an ultra maroon for taking
a rumor and mongering it as fact replete with speculation that the IRL
is productive as a source for F1 teams to find race drivers. They have
never placed anyone in F1. Never! Most likely that trend will
continue unabated.
>The IRL has only
> been a respectable series the last two or three years or so.
Hahahahahahahahaha! It's still a stupid little series, hardly viewed
and considered a lower echelon racing series to the rest of the world.
The Indy 500 is a joke and a shell of it's former world-class self.
Hell, it's not even the most watched race on the Memorial Day weekend
in the USA. It's a joke, just like you. ESPN (part of the ABC family)
even considers it one of the top twenty overrated items in sports.
Someone, such as you, who composed a post about SB being bested in
practice by a girl, is a doltish lout by definition. Not to mention
trying to defend your own inventions as being part of an article and
trying to foist some silly contention that any complaints should be
taken there to another author or web site owners.
> Prior to
> that there were basically no top echelon owners or drivers of the
> Andretti, Penske, Ganassi, Rahal, Kanaan, Franchitti, Wheldon or
> Castroneves caliber.
Castroneves tested for Toyota and was offered a test drive, while Da
Matta was given the race seat. Franchitti tested at Jaguar while in
CART, he was horribly slow and was never considered for anything
related to the team. Andretti completely washed-out in F1, now you
believe he's a powerhouse as a team owner? Hardly. Remember it's
your contention that F1 is looking to the IRL for drivers. No one else
said it, just your own pointy-headed little self.
> More recently the IRL's events have included
> nearly ALL of the current top open-wheel teams and drivers in
> America. Da Matta is in fact the only remaining potential contender
> in Car-Towrs who hasn't participated in an IRL event; but allow
> that inevitability some time, it's his first year back.
Events? When was the last time any top-flight pilot from the F1 ranks
drove in the IRL. That would be never. Juan Montoya wasn't yet an F1
race driver when he destroyed the field at the IRL 500, yes? So we're
left with the IRL 500 in its full decline, with the likes of Buddy Rice
as the defending champ? Think Buddy is headed to F1?
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Dillon Pyron
>
>"Terry Gough" <gough...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:3ec914F...@individual.net...
>> This is hilarious!!! Joke of the week!!
>
>Perhaps because Ant-knee Davidson isn't racing in the US.
>
>I'll take a wild guess and say that Davidson will take Button's seat at BAR
>next year - always assuming that Jenson doesn't get the 75% of the
>championship leader's points by July 31st when Williams can take up their
>option.
With BAR banned for the next race, it's going to be damned hard. He's
basically got to win at least one race.
Davidson had the seat if Button was gone. He's a demonstrated, knew
quantity, and a damned good one, at that. Kind of a bummer to not see
him this year.
>
>Cheers,
>Probert.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:q_4ge.7393$Fa1.3484@fed1read02...
>>> Speculation that the IRL points leader, winner of
>>> 3 of 4 races this year and last years championship
>>> bridesmaid, may be tapped to replace Button @
>>> Bar. Once again giving lie to the canard that F1
>>> wouldn't be interested in this league's drivers.
>>>
>>> http://speedtv.com/articles/formulaone/auto/16782/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
--
dillon
Women should be obscene and not absurd.
Dillon Pyron
>. <.@dot.com> wrote in message: news:<JH6ge.7426$Fa1.1289@fed1read02>
>> Tell it to the Speed TV site, it's their article, not mine.
>>
>> The truth hurts don't it?
>>
>>
>The article is an opinion piece written by an uninformed IRL shill making
>blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions, and you are just another IRL shill.
>Davidson will most likely get the spot, unless BAR Honda are looking for oval
>experience in F1 (which is doubtful).
Why should BAR look outside of the house?
>
>You must be another dumbass Yank who is bereft of any knowledge of what
>occurs outside of the concrete bunker you live in. The IRL is a joke.
>Why does it use the term "League"? Do they play Rugby between races or
>something?
Plenty of hard hits, that's for sure.
Bobby D
> So we're
> left with the IRL 500 in its full decline,
You da man, Al. You tell 'em.
Me and you, we be going to the U.S. 500 this year.
Jason Hoehn
> It's a slow news week, they need to fill pages.
Yup, pretty slow week. Not much interesting goes on in the month of May.
;)
william lynch
> In rec.autos.sport.f1 Emma <Em...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>Dan Wheldon is doing very well at the moment in the Indy Racing League
>>but the young British driver is still keen on breaking into Formula 1
>>and at the weekend Wheldon's manager Julian Jakoby was busy chatting to
>
>
> Senna's old manager, FWIW - and therefore also someone Honda have dealt
> with in the past. ;)
>
> Dan could well come out of this year's IRL as champion, and it's not
> like he's a pure oval racer - his background is on road circuits.
>
> Davidson might edge him on F1 experience, but Wheldon's certainly a
> good driver.
But he's driven on nothing but ovals (with one exception) for
several years now. NASCAR drivers get more road racing. Did
the FIA requirements for driving in a proper feeder series go
away?
Allan Pagan
Yep, that negates the IRL 500's decline. It'll now be back pulling 10's
on TV and the F1 pilots will be lining up for a crack at Buddy Rice's
crown.
At least you're not in denial, Booobby.
william lynch
> . <.@dot.com> wrote in message: news:<D27ge.7472$Fa1.369@fed1read02>
>
>>YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
>>before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
>>series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
>>Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
>>Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
>>
>>
>
> You haven't seen an IRL race?
Go look at what he posts. He has adopted them as his
inspiration and guidance, and he will believe whatever
they tell him to believe. Up to and including the stands
full of spectators.
IRL News Service
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:vf8ge.7655$Fa1.6561@fed1read02...
> "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com> wrote
> in message news:11821l6...@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > > "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com>
> wrote
> > > in message news:1181rjt...@news.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
> > > > > for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
> > >
> > > > ... so you stated the obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It certainly is obvious isn't it.
> > >
> > > The truth hurts don't it.
> >
> > You are sooooo right , on this paticular fact.
> >
> > No F1 team has ever offered any IRL driver a racing contract.
> >
>
> contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93. He drove in the IRL
> in 2003, his team dominated and won the championship, breaking
> multiple records in the process in the succeeding year, in his first
> full year as an owner/non-driver.
>
I know we are battling semantics here, but my statement is not wrong. He was not
an IRL driver at the time. Montoya is closer to making my statement incorrect,
but he only raced one IRL race. Andretti is a bad example.
.
news:1183tg3...@news.supernews.com...
That's right, Montoya is yet another example. But
a syllogism requires only a single false premise for
the argument to be invalid.
Perhaps you had meant "to date, no one holding a
current IRL driver contract has been offered an F1
driver contract" but then again it's hardly the readers
duty to infer what the writer meant from other than
what was written.
Wall Tester
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:CKqge.8980$Fa1.7105@fed1read02...
> "IRL News Service" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com> wrote in message
> news:1183tg3...@news.supernews.com...
>
> That's right, Montoya is yet another example. But
> a syllogism requires only a single false premise for
> the argument to be invalid.
To most logical people, Montoya was the only IRL driver that has ever been
offered a F1 contract. Andretti was not an IRL driver when he was offered an F1
contract. There could have been more F1 contracts offered if he had not
embarassed US racing as a whole.
>
> Perhaps you had meant "to date, no one holding a
> current IRL driver contract has been offered an F1
> driver contract" but then again it's hardly the readers
> duty to infer what the writer meant from other than
> what was written.
>
No, most thinking readers understood what I had stated to be correct. Too bad I
gave you Montoya. Consider it a free pass on proving your quest of all the
dozens of successful F1 drivers with an IRL past.
.
news:1184l0q...@news.supernews.com...
This post alone clearly demonstrates beyond any conceivable doubt
that you're much to stupid to even consider continuing a dialog with.
Wall Tester
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:qCsge.9392$Fa1.7477@fed1read02...
> This post alone clearly demonstrates beyond any conceivable doubt
> that you're much to stupid to even consider continuing a dialog with.
>
It is always easier to attack the poster than defend an indefensible position.
alien
I wonder if Tony George knows that?
alien
Dillon Pyron
I believe you can get a Super License by being the champion in the
IRL.
I used to hold a drag racing super license (TF), so I guess any joker
can get one.
Dillon Pyron
We're going on a cruise in June. Does that count?
Monaco is in two weeks. The most watched race in the world.
Wall Tester
"WallyBall" <wall...@ball.wally> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cec460cf...@news.individual.net...
> Montoya was never an IRL driver, winning the Indy 500 does not make him one.
That is why I didn't think of him when I was considering all the great IRL
drivers who had received those multi-year, mega-buck F1 contracts.
He drove in one IRL race and humiliated the competition.
Allan Pagan
this pitiful display alone would disqualify you as a judge of
intellectual aptitude.
Is it sinking in yet, sentence-composition-breath?
Allan Pagan
payouts from the IRL 500 in question to confirm that fact. So we are
left with the "dot" manufacturing untruths to fit his reprehensible
dishonesty.
Falusus in uno, falsus in omnibus, dot!
.
Ooh how searching for those typos, spelling, grammatical
errors, nym shifters ... in Usenet must give your evidently
empty, miserable life some element of meaning or value.
How truly pathetic.
Besides I always throw in a few crumbs for the
Andretti hating roaches out there, to get them out
of the woodwork, so that they can be stomped.
Unlike yourself, I don't possess any intellectual pretense.
.
Montoya clearly participated as a contract driver
driving a car built to IRL specifications, in an IRL
contracted event and won an IRL contracted race.
He later went on to F1 as a contract driver driving
a car built to F1 specifications, in an F1 contracted
event and won an F1 contracted race.
Nothing false about any of that.
I have surely now completed any obligation I might
possibly have to responding to your quite inane posts.
All stay posted to the 3 Ring Circus as the poor
pissant posters continue to attempt to hump my leg.
Allan Pagan
to participate in the bonus programs as a result. You knowingly
manufactured a false argument with contrived untruths. You were caught
in your falsehood and proven to be a liar. Ten years down, and not
one IRL driver has gone on to F1.
All your pathetic bleating is merely cover for your purposeful
dishonesty.
Allan Pagan
stupidity is NOT intellectual pretense?
You can't assume the intellectual high ground when you've repeatedly
been proven to be an equivocating imbecile, dot. It's quite
hilarious, and shows the depth of your own pathetic state, that you
been reduced to wholesale fabrication about my life, without the basis
of anything consequential or correct. Truly the desperate act of a
doltish lout. Your behavior is the equivalent of a dog rolling over
and showing his belly to his superior! So, you have been reduced to
whining like a schoolyard know-nothing.
==================================================
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.cart, rec.autos.sport.indy
From: "." <....@dot.com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:00:04 -0500
Local: Wed,May 11 2005 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: AGR's Wheldon to Replace Button at BAR?
Robert Lorenzini
>
> All stay posted to the 3 Ring Circus as the poor
> pissant posters continue to attempt to hump my leg.
>
A cross posting troll whines after getting bitch slapped
once again.
Bob
.
news:slrnd8807...@stormy.newportharbornet.com...
Your every prior reply has proven wrong.
But hump away, chum(p).
S.J.
Do you have a link to the payouts for Indy 500 year 2000? I am curious
as to what Montoya was not entitled to receiving.
Thanks,
S.J.
Allan Pagan
You're the same posters that boasted I was unworthy of your tickets,
yes? I'll show you the same respect you showed me, okay? Do your own
research!
> Thanks,
> S.J.
You're Most Welcome,
A. "Potty Mouth" P.
Cal Vanize
> Pat Melanson <pat.melan...@ccmdn.biz> writes
>
>>The article is an opinion piece written by an uninformed IRL shill making
>>blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions
>
>
> Which must be why a respected site like Grandprix.com is carrying a
> similar story:-
>
>
> Dan Wheldon is doing very well at the moment in the Indy Racing League
> but the young British driver is still keen on breaking into Formula 1
> and at the weekend Wheldon's manager Julian Jakoby was busy chatting to
> favourite with Honda in the United States and with the Japanese firm
> rumoured to be stopping its IRL programme, it could be that Wheldon may
> try to get into F1. BAR will almost certainly have a vacancy as Jenson
> Button will leave to join Williams and the team needs a replacement.
> Several other drivers are already talking to the team about deals.
>
>
The only Button Wheldon could replace in F1 is a Panic Button.
Cal Vanize
> "Perry Watson" <perry.watso...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cead77e6...@news.individual.net...
>
>>Jim Roberts <jr2...@excite.com> wrote in message:
>>news:<MPG.1cead510f...@news.individual.net>
>>
>>>. <.@dot.com> wrote in message:
>
> news:<D27ge.7472$Fa1.369@fed1read02>
>
>>>>YOU actually are. Attempt at least a LITTLE research
>>>>before you make such egregiously stupid statements. A
>>>>series that has included the likes of Andretti, Penske, Foyt,
>>>>Green, Rahal, Patrick, Nunn, Unser, Kanaan, Franchitti,
>>>>Brack, Dixon, DeFerran & Castroneves is hardly a joke.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>You haven't seen an IRL race?
>>>
>>
>>The IRL is an example of what happens when American teams and their
>
> drivers
>
>>follow the sponsorship money into an almost exclusively oval series
>
> which
>
>>attracts zero attention in the sports media, TV ratings and produces
>
> races
>
>>with a dizzying amount of empty stands flying by as the drivers
>
> attempt to
>
>>navigate "cookie cutter" underpowered, high downforce, bloated cars
>
> which
>
>>tend to remind experienced fans of Karting Leagues and not genuine car
>>racing.
>>
>>I hear that Honda and Toyota are leaving the IRL, since Honda
>
> subsidizes
>
>>Andretti Green to the tune of 3 cars / race, that's going to be it for
>
> them.
>
>>The previous poster (who uses a blank for his name) is being dishonest
>
> and
>
>>misleading when he lumps Andretti, Unser, and Foyt in with the drivers
>>because they are team owners and most were financed by Tony George at
>
> one
>
>>time or another. As for the drivers, most of them wish they were road
>
> racing
>
>>and not in this pathetic empty stands "league" at all. It's too bad
>
> that the
>
>>IRL cars are so slow on road courses, it means that the IRL doesn't
>
> even have
>
>>that to fall back on.
>
>
>
> Both Michael Andretti (hell even Mario has been
> behind an IRL wheel) AND Al Unser Jr. have been
> full time participants in the IRL as drivers. Also Paul
> Tracy and Bruno Junquiera (soon to include even the
> frightened Sebastien Bourdais) have participated in an
> IRL event.
So what? Most have also driven Formula Atlantic or Formula Ford. They
also drive motor scooters around the paddock. Does that mean since they
are all scooter drivers, it qualifies them to drive F1?
IIRC, none were associated with the IRL when they had their F1
opportunity.
Your rationalization just doesn't work.
Cal Vanize
> "Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com> wrote
> in message news:11821l6...@news.supernews.com...
>
>>"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0I6ge.7427$Fa1.6064@fed1read02...
>
>>>"Bourdais Wins 2005 IRL 500" <wiping.the.w...@indy.com>
>
> wrote
>
>>>in message news:1181rjt...@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>news:4x5ge.7395$Fa1.1677@fed1read02...
>>>
>>>>>And they both (as well as Franchitti, who tied Montoya
>>>>>for the Championship) eventually graduated to the IRL.
>>>
>>>>... so you stated the obvious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It certainly is obvious isn't it.
>>>
>>>The truth hurts don't it.
>>
>>You are sooooo right , on this paticular fact.
>>
>>No F1 team has ever offered any IRL driver a racing contract.
>>
>
>
> Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
> contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93. He drove in the IRL
> in 2003, his team dominated and won the championship, breaking
> multiple records in the process in the succeeding year, in his first
> full year as an owner/non-driver.
The IRL wasn't around in 1993. Andretti was a CART (let's try that
again - CART) driver.
Cal Vanize
> "Jim Roberts" <jr2...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cead9ea4...@news.individual.net...
>
>>Emma <Em...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message:
>>news:<$eUG+7Cn...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk>
>>
>>> Pat Melanson <pat.melan...@ccmdn.biz> writes
>>>
>>>>The article is an opinion piece written by an uninformed IRL shill
>
> making
>
>>>>blind guesses and ludicrous assumptions
>>>
>>>Which must be why a respected site like Grandprix.com is carrying a
>>>similar story:-
>>
>>It's a slow news week, they need to fill pages.
>
>
>
> You Chumps have more lame excuses and
> rationalizations than the universe has quarks.
You twist the truth more than the universe has quarks.
Cal Vanize
> Jason Hoehn <jason.hoehn...@shaw.ca> wrote in message:
> news:<nDege.1309176$8l.372717@pd7tw1no>
>
>>"Jim Roberts" <jr2...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.1cead9ea4...@news.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>>It's a slow news week, they need to fill pages.
>>
>>Yup, pretty slow week. Not much interesting goes on in the month of May.
>>
>>;)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Used to, not any more. :)
Its Derby month, but that already passed.
.
news:fJKhe.14878$sV7....@fe02.lga...
Which has only already been rehashed numerous times
as recently as FIVE DAYS AGO. You'd no doubt be
very happy to just settle for your usual "day late and a
dollar short". What a BUMBLING IDIOT you truly are.
.
How unfortunate that you still have not.
Cal Vanize
You're right. I should only read your most recent admissions of
inadequacies, rationalizations and lies. The old ones have already been
exposed as the fabrications they are.
.
Again, for you dufus chumps, as below from May 10th,
I'AM the one who corrected YOUR thoroughly
demonstrated inability to recognize facts and truth (I don't
attribute to malice that which can so easily be explained
by stupidity.) But does it come as the slightest surprise
to ANYONE that you can't even so much as master
the understanding and use of newsgroups?
From May 10th:
{As my post ORIGINALLY AND CLEARLY STATED::
"Wrong yet again. An IRL pilot has in fact had an F1 driving
contract, namely Michael Andretti in '93. He drove in the
IRL in 2003, his team dominated and won the championship,
breaking multiple records in the process in the succeeding
year, in his first full year as an owner/non-driver."
Besides, my poor facts and logic challenged pathetic
adversary, the IRL hadn't yet come into existence by '93.
You're truly a third rate buffoon!"}
Cal Vanize
Andretti may have had an F1 contract, but there wasn't even an IRL in
1993. So at the time, he wasn't an IRL driver. he only lowered himself
to those depths at a later stage of his life well past his peak. Even
so far past his peak he was able to dominate such a pitifully
undertalented league.
So you have twisted facts to your own purpose. Others have clearly
beaten you into the ground.
You prove with each post that you can't quite connect the dots.
.
After a dozen of my posts addressing and carefully explaining this
point you FINALLY seem to be grasping an understand of the issue.
> Even
> so far past his peak he was able to dominate such a pitifully
> undertalented league.
>
You certainly get EVERYTHING wrong on the first dozen or so
passes don't you. Michael NEVER drove to an IRL race win.
I'm afraid that you too have now more than earned the following:
Your posts continue to clearly demonstrate, beyond any conceivable
hope or doubt, that you're much too stupid for anyone to any longer
even consider either continuing a dialog with or posting a single
additional response to.
You're now free to join a couple of others losers here in
an inevitable and endless fascination with humping my leg.
Jimmy Murphy
>
>I'm afraid that you too have now more than earned the following:
>Your posts continue to clearly demonstrate, beyond any conceivable
>hope or doubt, that you're much too stupid for anyone to any longer
>even consider either continuing a dialog with or posting a single
>additional response to.
>
>You're now free to join a couple of others losers here in
>an inevitable and endless fascination with humping my leg.
>
I never fail to laugh when another poster humiliates you and you claim
victory...by failing to respond to his argument and then stating you
will not continue to respond.
You have made my day with your repeated failure to ever win in a
debate.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
.
news:9rlf81djgaos7dcp1...@4ax.com...
I particularly liked your selective truncation of any pertinent points,
or is this intended as a reading comprehension disability confession
on your part. It's terribly unfortunate if you really do have that much
trouble following the threads, not to mention logic.
Cal Vanize
It a matter of your denial of the facts. As with other mental
illnesses, yours demonstrates a lack of focus on the facts and a
continual misdirection of errors onto others.
Its really pathetic. Have you considered suicide to rid yourself and
the rest of us of your problems? its easy. Drink a bottle of decent
merlot, relax in a warm bath and open your veins. That way you can
drift off and never have to worry about all those voices in your head
anymore. Its so peaceful. Like a long sleep from which you just dream
away.
S.J.
I did my research as requested. :-) I found these links. I concede,
Montoya did not appear to receive any additional pay as other winners
did regarding the IRL Indy 500 win versus total earnings from 1996 to
2004 according to the Indy 500 site. Note that there is no data at these
sites prior to 1996. Replace the year with 1995 or earlier, no data.
So, I agree.
Winner 1996 - Buddy Lazier - $1,367,854; total earnings $1,423,854
Plus: $56,000
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=1996
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=1996&driver_id=
Winner 1997 - Arie Luyendyk - $1,568,150 - total earnings $2,079,150
Plus: $511,000
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=1997
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=1997&driver_id=
Winner 1998 - Eddie Cheever, Jr. - $1,433,000 - total earnings $1,811,200
Plus: $378,200
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=1998&driver_id=
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=1998
Winner 1999 - Kenny Brack - $1,465,190; total earnings $1,933,540
Plus: $468,350
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=1999
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=1999&driver_id=
Winner 2000 - Juan Pablo Montoya - $1,235,600; total earnings - $1,235,600
Plus: $0 <--------- $0
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=2000
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=2000&driver_id=
Winner 2001 - Helio Castroneves - $1,270,475; total earnings - $1,305,075
Plus: $34,600
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=2001
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=2001&driver_id=
Winner 2002 - Helio Castroneves - $1,606,215; total earnings - $2,512,965
Plus: $906,750
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=2002
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=2002&driver_id=
Winner 2003 - Gil de Ferran - $1,353,265; total earnings - $2,316,815
Plus: $963,550
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=2003
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=2003&driver_id=
Winner 2004 - Buddy Rice - $1,761,740; total earnings - $2,689,040
Plus: $927,300
http://www.indy500.com/stats/results.php?raceyear=2004
http://www.indycar.com/stats/earnings.php?nYear=2004&driver_id=
Allan Pagan
However, it is refreshing to read your candor with respect to
concession and doubt.
Hope the research wasn't too difficult.
.
Hump away pissant, hump away!
Cal Vanize
YUep, that's your best comeback. Weak. Take your medicine and toddle
off to bed, little boy.
Jimmy Murphy
>
> YUep, that's your best comeback. Weak. Take your medicine and toddle
> off to bed, little boy.
>
>
Actually Cal, I think he is finally making a good comeback for the first time.
His usual lack of logical reasoning in a discussion is so weak that this is a
much better approach.
There, I have the sarcasm flag.
.
news:118h1p7...@news.supernews.com...
These clowns got their heads handed to them on EVERY SINGLE
pathetic point they attempted to raise, but like the masochists they've
proven they are, they couldn't help returning for more, accompanied
by their whiny complaining when they didn't receive it. So instead
they've taken up the ranting and raving tactics employed by the
lunatic fringe types they've so clearly demonstrated that they are.
.
Below is one of my earlier posts, that for
whatever reason, has still not appeared:
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:...
Cal Vanize
No substance. Just another worthless troll.
S.J.
> I knew this to be fact, already. It?s specifically why I mentioned it.
> However, it is refreshing to read your candor with respect to
> concession and doubt.
>
> Hope the research wasn't too difficult.
>
regulars, regardless of their finishing position. I also noticed that
Helio's "bonus" in 2001 was quite low, as Penske Racing was still CART
at the time. I see Paul Tracy got no bonuses for 2nd place as a CART
driver in 2002 either.
I remember those Marlboro sidepods initially when they first came to
Indy in 2001, and then they had to remove the Marlboro logos since
tobacco sponsorship (by law) could only be in 1 series at a time. Gil
and Helio ran the Indy 500 with blank, totally white sidepods and
"temporary" (IRL) numbers 66 and 68 versus their usual CART numbers.
Strange to see a blank sidepod on those cars.
Research was not too difficult. :-)
Cheers,
S.J.
Allan Pagan
Settlement Agreement made tobacco signage a very strange bird. Helio's
bonus monies paid were derived because Penske (and Helio) made a start
in Phoenix.
Glad to hear it wasn't too difficult.
S.J.
Thanks. I was at that Phoenix race too in 2001 as Team Penske geared up
for entering Indy 500 2001. The pit team had really bright all silver
helmets with no logos on them at Phoenix.
Jimmy Murphy
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:Wl6ie.16304$eU.6748@fed1read07...
> These clowns got their heads handed to them on EVERY SINGLE
> pathetic point they attempted to raise, but like the masochists they've
> proven they are, they couldn't help returning for more, accompanied
> by their whiny complaining when they didn't receive it. So instead
> they've taken up the ranting and raving tactics employed by the
> lunatic fringe types they've so clearly demonstrated that they are.
>
I always fund it immensely amusing when someone self-proclaims his own victory
without anyone else backing his view. I never claim victory for myself and let
others render an opinion. Cal seems to be of the same mind. But I guess you are
not such a humble induhvidual.
Maybe we can let the other posters on this NG decide.
Is dot winning or losing his ongoing debate or does he always run away from the
battle?
.
Why not take a poll on whether the theory of numbers is valid,
or whether the earth is flat, how about does gravity truly exist.
As ANYONE should know, facts aren't determined by polls.
Keep your pathetic insecure need for acceptance. I, for one,
don't have the SLIGHTEST interest and could not possibly
care less whether everyone or no one agrees.
Allan Pagan
There is not now, and never has been a poster in RASI that has achieved
the depths of inanity and idiocy the dot recurrently displays.
Hump, dot-boy, hump!
Hehehehehe!
Allan Pagan
Jimmy Murphy
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:4_mie.8908$Ri4.2312@okepread07...
> Why not take a poll on whether the theory of numbers is valid,
> or whether the earth is flat, how about does gravity truly exist.
> As ANYONE should know, facts aren't determined by polls.
But the outcome of a debate is an opinion.
>
> Keep your pathetic insecure need for acceptance.
Not acceptance, but a validation of my thought processes.
>I, for one,
> don't have the SLIGHTEST interest and could not possibly
> care less whether everyone or no one agrees.
A true Quixote to the end, non? I would begin to worry if noone agreed with my
opinions, but you go ahead with that windmill thing.
Jimmy Murphy
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:4_mie.8908$Ri4.2312@okepread07...
> ...could not possibly care less whether everyone or no one agrees.
>
Looks like you have your answer...no one agrees, except those waving crickets.
Bobby Grim
"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:4_mie.8908$Ri4.2312@okepread07...
>< Don Quixote admiration snipped>
The winter of fortynine had passed
A winter of haunt n fear
Hunger had knocked at the city-gates
And threatened the pioneers
Then low in the east strange clouds appeared
And dark became the sun
And the courage to fight and win a war
Was all of a sudden gone
Black crickets
By 10s millions or more
Black crickets
By 10s millions or more
Until the fields that waved were few
Black crickets
Crickets by tens of millions came
Like fog on a british coast
They swept down from the mountainsides
Settled by the mormon post
Then the oldest old man got this bright idea
And he called for all the men
We'll build a giant nest & the crickets will fear
That the big bird is here again!!