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Brian Jackson
>
> So, after skirting the "issue" for months, they finally do a
> piece on the "split". And AJ says he's "100 percent" for
> it eh?
Well, that was a PART of what he said. The rest was a bunch of ifs,
ands, and buts that basically said "I'm 100% for it as long as it's on
IRL terms, the engines stay as they are in the IRL, etc., etc. Yawn.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Brian
Jim Lotz
"split". And AJ says he's "100 percent" for it eh?
I guess this shouldn't be "RE-unification" talk. It should be "unification"
talk.
And it just goes to show that NONE of this would have happened had Tony
George not used that puss 25-8 rule.
Its funny watching the IRL folks scramble at the thought of unification.
God forbid the BAR actually gets raised.
Marlo should've talked more about the sponsership problem.
I guess after watching another masterpiece at MIS, and seeing the empty
seats, they've finally come to the realization that SOMETHING has to be
done.
The Indy 500 may be a constant here, but it sure has been hard to convince
TV viewers. The locals who go to the Indy500 for the most part aren't
really race fans. They'll show up no matter if chariots run there. It's
TG's (IRL's) one and only trump card - and it's losing power with each IRL
season.
This is a poker game that's coming right down to the wire. I guess the
only thing left to determine is IF they can save bigtime open wheel oval
racing in time. It's clear to everyone that the street courses and road
circuits are as popular as ever.
L8r J.L.
ps -- Maybe Beekhuis will DARE to answer an email or two on this topic
now???
Jim Fleming
Jim Lotz wrote:
> The Indy 500 may be a constant here, but it sure has been hard to convince
> TV viewers. The locals who go to the Indy500 for the most part aren't
> really race fans. They'll show up no matter if chariots run there. It's
> TG's (IRL's) one and only trump card - and it's losing power with each IRL
> season.
Maybe you should of said it was your "opinion" about the locals showing up for
the most part are not fans...........because you really know "zip" about the
local fans.
TG's trump card is Indy and has nothing to do with the IRL. CART is peeing all
over themselves to get back to Indy because they and their sponsors understand
the importance of that race for their survival as a major league
series.........which slowly is deteriorating with each CART season.
The worm is turning......
Jim
Brian Jackson
>
> Jim Lotz wrote:
>
> > The Indy 500 may be a constant here, but it sure has been hard to convince
> > TV viewers. The locals who go to the Indy500 for the most part aren't
> > really race fans. They'll show up no matter if chariots run there. It's
> > TG's (IRL's) one and only trump card - and it's losing power with each IRL
> > season.
>
> Maybe you should of said it was your "opinion" about the
> locals showing up for the most part are not fans...........
> because you really know "zip" about the local fans.
Would his "zip" be more or less "zip" than _your_ knowledge of the local
fans? Did you do a legitimate poll to find out?
How much do you know about what's really happening behind the scenes?
Seems to me that everyone, from TG to the engine makers to CART to
everyone else, has gone out of their way to NOT discuss any of this in
public. So, I suggest that you know pretty much "zip" about it as well.
> TG's trump card is Indy and has nothing to do with the IRL.
You can say that with a straight face?
He played his trump card and it failed to work. If, after all this, we
end up pretty much back where we were in 1995, just what wonderful
legacy can we ascribe to Mr. George?
> CART is peeing all over themselves to get back to Indy
Hardly. This is a vision that IRL fans love to dream about but it's
hardly true.
> because they and their sponsors understand
> the importance of that race for their survival
> as a major league series.........
Baloney. The sponsors _and_ the engine makers _and_ the IRL _and_ CART
understand that the best thing to do is to not allow the May race, which
has so much history and name recognition, to continue to go down the
tubes. It's far easier to resurrect a fading, but existing, glory than
it is to create a new one fram scratch. Just because the king owns the
race track that doesn't mean that he's either smart or clothed. Bernie
Ecclestone he's not (and never will be.)
> which slowly is deteriorating with each CART season.
Right. Uh-huh. That Kool-Aid must be really tasty.
> The worm is turning......
Foyt??
Jim Fleming
Brian Jackson wrote:
> Jim Fleming wrote:
> >
> > Maybe you should of said it was your "opinion" about the
> > locals showing up for the most part are not fans...........
> > because you really know "zip" about the local fans.
>
> Would his "zip" be more or less "zip" than _your_ knowledge of the local
> fans? Did you do a legitimate poll to find out?
Did I take a poll?........can't say that I ever have but I have discussed racing
with the "locals" for about 36 years and I have a pretty good feel for what they
think, feel and know about Indy car racing and racing in general.
> How much do you know about what's really happening behind the scenes?
> Seems to me that everyone, from TG to the engine makers to CART to
> everyone else, has gone out of their way to NOT discuss any of this in
> public. So, I suggest that you know pretty much "zip" about it as well.
Get real.......if you have not figured out by now what is really going on you will
never figure it out and anything I would say is not going to penetrate the world
you have elected to live in.
> > TG's trump card is Indy and has nothing to do with the IRL.
>
> You can say that with a straight face?
Yes not a problem.
> He played his trump card and it failed to work. If, after all this, we
> end up pretty much back where we were in 1995, just what wonderful
> legacy can we ascribe to Mr. George?
The trump card is still being played..............the game isn't over yet.
> > CART is peeing all over themselves to get back to Indy
>
> Hardly. This is a vision that IRL fans love to dream about but it's
> hardly true.
An IRL fan's vision? What makes you think that is so? Did you taken a poll and
have you possibly talked to every IRL fan?........or is it just the world you
elected to live in demands you to think that?
> > because they and their sponsors understand
> > the importance of that race for their survival
> > as a major league series.........
>
> Baloney. The sponsors _and_ the engine makers _and_ the IRL _and_ CART
> understand that the best thing to do is to not allow the May race, which
> has so much history and name recognition, to continue to go down the
> tubes. It's far easier to resurrect a fading, but existing, glory than
> it is to create a new one fram scratch. Just because the king owns the
> race track that doesn't mean that he's either smart or clothed. Bernie
> Ecclestone he's not (and never will be.)
Get real again. The boys in Troy, Michigan are at the point of killing their
offspring to get back to Indy. The real world says "CART is slowly sinking into
just another series and their stockholders will want none of that".
> > which slowly is deteriorating with each CART season.
>
> Right. Uh-huh. That Kool-Aid must be really tasty.
Can't you do better than that?.......but then I guess your world demands you to
use such original catch phrases.
> > The worm is turning......
>
> Foyt??
No.....just plain common sense with a good dose of reality. If you are adventurous
enough you might try it.
Brian Jackson
>
> Brian Jackson wrote:
>
> > Jim Fleming wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe you should of said it was your "opinion" about the
> > > locals showing up for the most part are not fans...........
> > > because you really know "zip" about the local fans.
> >
> > Would his "zip" be more or less "zip" than _your_ knowledge
> > of the local fans? Did you do a legitimate poll to find out?
>
> Did I take a poll?........can't say that I ever have but I
> have discussed racing with the "locals" for about 36 years
> and I have a pretty good feel for what they think, feel and
> know about Indy car racing and racing in general.
That might give you an iota more than "zip" but not much more than that.
Discussing racing with a limited, aelf-referencing group doesn't make
for much of a "big picture" perspective.
The original statement was:
"The locals who go to the Indy 500 for the most part aren't
really race fans."
As we've discussed many times before, the "event" status of the 500, the
SuperBowl, the World Series, Wimbleton, soccer's World Cup, Le Mans,
Monaco, etc., brings in a *lot* of people who are NOT what any of us
would reasonably call "race fans". They are there because it's "the
thing to do and the place to see." It's an event. I'd be willing to bet
that at least half of the crowd at the 500 couldn't pick Billy Boat,
Tony Stewart, Robbie Gordon or any other open-wheel star (IRL -or- CART)
from a line-up.
> > How much do you know about what's really happening
> > behind the scenes? Seems to me that everyone, from TG
> > to the engine makers to CART to everyone else, has
> > gone out of their way to NOT discuss any of this in
> > public. So, I suggest that you know pretty much "zip"
> > about it as well.
>
> Get real
About what?
> if you have not figured out by now what is really going
> on you will never figure it out and anything I would
> say is not going to penetrate the world
> you have elected to live in.
The world that I "elect" to live in is generally not one that is based
upon convincing myself that I know what's going on despite having few,
if any, solid ways of gaining he information. One can certainly surmise
and guess and posit but, without real knowledge, one cannot know.
"Figuring" is just that.
> > > TG's trump card is Indy and has nothing to do with
> > > the IRL.
> >
> > You can say that with a straight face?
>
> Yes not a problem.
So, without the IRL all of this would mean what? The IRL's very
existence is based upon the years of momentum that the May race gained
at the hands of others. The IRL would/could not exist without IMS.
> > He played his trump card and it failed to work. If,
> > after all this, we end up pretty much back where we
> > were in 1995, just what wonderful
> > legacy can we ascribe to Mr. George?
>
> The trump card is still being played, the game isn't
> over yet.
Whatever.
> > > CART is peeing all over themselves to get back to Indy
> >
> > Hardly. This is a vision that IRL fans love to dream about
> > but it's hardly true.
>
> An IRL fan's vision? What makes you think that is so? Did you
> taken a poll and have you possibly talked to every IRL fan?
I never said "every" IRL fan. I said "IRL fans..." That does not imply
"all".
> or is it just the world you
> elected to live in demands you to think that?
That's right, everyone that disagrees with you is delusional.
> > > because they and their sponsors understand
> > > the importance of that race for their survival
> > > as a major league series.........
> >
> > Baloney. The sponsors _and_ the engine makers _and_ the IRL _and_ CART
> > understand that the best thing to do is to not allow the May race, which
> > has so much history and name recognition, to continue to go down the
> > tubes. It's far easier to resurrect a fading, but existing, glory than
> > it is to create a new one fram scratch. Just because the king owns the
> > race track that doesn't mean that he's either smart or clothed. Bernie
> > Ecclestone he's not (and never will be.)
>
> Get real again. The boys in Troy, Michigan are at the point of killing
> their offspring to get back to Indy.
Please.
> The real world says "CART is slowly sinking into
> just another series and their stockholders will
> want none of that".
Of course, the fact that the stock keeps going up makes that position
hard to justify.
> > > which slowly is deteriorating with each CART season.
> >
> > Right. Uh-huh. That Kool-Aid must be really tasty.
>
> Can't you do better than that?
You're asking ME this? After repeated "the world you elect to live in"
and "killing their offspring" and "peeing all over themselves" rhetoric?
> .......but then I guess your world demands you to
> use such original catch phrases.
My world demands? Sheesh. Can't you do better than than and/or be less
redundant?
> > > The worm is turning......
> >
> > Foyt??
>
> No.....just plain common sense with a good dose of reality.
> If you are adventurous enough you might try it.
Yes, Jim, that's what you are - adventurous.
There is precious little "common sense" in this group - even from those
who should have some. I see none coming from your corner, however.
drei...@vms1.gmu.edu
I've seen Nigel Mansell walk through the garage area at Toronto
in street clothes and no one noticed him.
Captain Kidd
ya ya ya
--
Tom
"Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you" -dylan
Christa Robinson
Jim Fleming wrote in message <37AB9032...@prodigy.net>...
>
>An IRL fan's vision? What makes you think that is so? Did you taken a poll
and
>have you possibly talked to every IRL fan?
Mark McCauley
>
> I've seen Nigel Mansell walk through the garage area at Toronto
> in street clothes and no one noticed him.
Maybe you did, but at every race I attended in 93 and 94, the easiest
way to find him was to find a crowd.