Mika Hakkinen - Ungrateful Champion
Steven Weier
I live in Brisbane Australia and am a huge F1 fan. I have recently
found out that I work with the doctor who performed the life saving
medical procedure which saved Mika Hakkinen's life at Adelaide in 1995.
I asked this doctor all the typical fan questions about Mika Hakkinen,
you know what is he like etc. The doctor then informed me he has NO
respect for Mika. When I asked why, he informed me that Mika didn't
even say thank you to him. Okay this doctor was at the Adelaide GP for
just this reason, and if it wasn't him someone else would have probably
saved Mika's life, but as a fellow health professional I can understand
his view. It seems when your a health professional when you do your job
properly nothing is said, however if you don't or make a mistake there
is a huge public outcry. This doctor didn't want to be showered with
gifts or offered a huge private contract he would have just liked Mika
to say "thank you", nothing more.
So Mika if your out there, why don't you drop this doctor a line and
finally say thank you. He did play a large part in your world
championship, because you can't really have any hope of being the champ
if your dead can you? No matter how good your team and car is. Come
on Mika, prove your a world champion person as well as a world champion
driver and do the right thing.
Steven Weier
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David Betts
>
>I live in Brisbane Australia and am a huge F1 fan. I have recently
>found out that I work with the doctor who performed the life saving
>medical procedure which saved Mika Hakkinen's life at Adelaide in 1995.
>I asked this doctor all the typical fan questions about Mika Hakkinen,
>you know what is he like etc. The doctor then informed me he has NO
>respect for Mika. When I asked why, he informed me that Mika didn't
>even say thank you to him.
<snip>
So how come the doctor who performed the life-saving medical procedure on
Mika Hakkinen at trackside recently contributed an article to Autosport
about events on that day, concluding with how much he admired Mika and how
delighted he was at his recovery and subsequent success. Are we talking
about the same person? Does he say one thing in public and another in
private? If so, is he someone to be believed?
I'm sorry, but I hate this sort of jealous, knocking drivel and I take it
with a very big pinch of salt indeed. There are too many people who are
only too ready to believe anything which is said or written about people in
the public eye. Nine times out of ten it's bollocks.
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was Sid Watkins, who performed a tracheotomy literally two minutes after the
crash. You can read about this in Dr. Watkins book "Triumph and Tragedy in
Formula One". In the book Dr. Watkins describes Mika's injuries;
"Fortunately, although he had a fractured skull, his brain injury was not
severe." That leaves out the idea that a doctor in the Adelaide hospital
"performed a "life saving medical procedure" (aside from the one performed by
Dr. Watkins) Sounds more like the Adaelaide doctor (referred to in the post
below)is, himself; suffering from a case of chronic mendacity. By the way,
also in the book mentioned above, Dr. Watkins describes Mika as "always been
most polite and respectful to me..."
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Robert Adams
In article <368CC3...@quicknet.com.au>,
rais...@quicknet.com.au wrote:
> Happy New Year All,
>
> I live in Brisbane Australia and am a huge F1 fan. I have recently
> found out that I work with the doctor who performed the life saving
> medical procedure which saved Mika Hakkinen's life at Adelaide in 1995.
> I asked this doctor all the typical fan questions about Mika Hakkinen,
> you know what is he like etc. The doctor then informed me he has NO
> respect for Mika. When I asked why, he informed me that Mika didn't
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Kulvinder Singh Matharu
>This doesn't sound right to me. The doctor that saved Mika Hakkinen's life
>was Sid Watkins, who performed a tracheotomy literally two minutes after the
>crash. You can read about this in Dr. Watkins book "Triumph and Tragedy in
>Formula One". In the book Dr. Watkins describes Mika's injuries;
[snip]
Interesting. In the Autosport article the Adelaide Doctor (let's call
him AD) stated EXPILICITLY that it was a myth that Sid Watkins
performed the tracheotomy. The AD said that he himself undertook the
procedure and that Watkins was basically looking after the logistics.
The AD did state in the article that Häkkinen did not thank him. But
so what?
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John-Nicholas
Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
<3690676e...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:05:04 GMT, r27...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>This doesn't sound right to me. The doctor that saved Mika Hakkinen's life
>>was Sid Watkins, who performed a tracheotomy literally two minutes after
the
>>crash. You can read about this in Dr. Watkins book "Triumph and Tragedy in
>>Formula One". In the book Dr. Watkins describes Mika's injuries;
>[snip]
>
>Interesting. In the Autosport article the Adelaide Doctor (let's call
>him AD) stated EXPILICITLY that it was a myth that Sid Watkins
>performed the tracheotomy. The AD said that he himself undertook the
>procedure and that Watkins was basically looking after the logistics.
>
>The AD did state in the article that Häkkinen did not thank him. But
>so what?
>
>--
Kulvinder and Robert,
According to "Triumph and Tragedy, etc.," Prof. Syd's words were:
"When I arrived at the accident two minutes after the crash he was
unconscious and having serious difficulty breathing. *We* removed him from
the car and had to perform an emergency tracheotomy..."
The key word is *We* meaning a safety team which Prof. Syd and the "AD" were
a part, I presume. Has Prof. Syd taken credit for this remedy in the past?
Any mention of Mika visiting the staff who helped him start his
convalescence?
Chicky-Baby,
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Jari Raivio
John-Nicholas skrev i meddelandet <76m325$o...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
<snip>
>"When I arrived at the accident two minutes after the crash he was
>unconscious and having serious difficulty breathing. *We* removed him from
>the car and had to perform an emergency tracheotomy..."
>
>The key word is *We* meaning a safety team which Prof. Syd and the "AD"
were
>a part, I presume. Has Prof. Syd taken credit for this remedy in the past?
>
>Any mention of Mika visiting the staff who helped him start his
>convalescence?
>
all have grown to know Professor Sid Watkins over the last 20 or more years
or so his trackrecord may speak for itself. There should not be any doubts
about his abilities to do emergency tracheotomy or anything else. If he
finds a reason to let anyone else to do it will be done by capable hands. If
he infact says he did it in his book, rest assured he did so. He is not the
most reliable doctor to have handy in F1 for the past over twemty years for
showing off or taking credits for anything he didn't do. If he would have
anything against Mika Häkkinen or Mika being ungrateful or anything of the
sort, you might rest equally sured you wouldn't ever find out. Mika don't
owe his life to Sid Watkins, nor does he have to publically apologise to
some twat making a plead in a newsgroup.
What are you? God?
Dab
Steven Weier wrote in message <368CC3...@quicknet.com.au>...
>Happy New Year All,
>
>I live in Brisbane Australia and am a huge F1 fan. I have recently
>found out that I work with the doctor who performed the life saving
>medical procedure which saved Mika Hakkinen's life at Adelaide in 1995.
>I asked this doctor all the typical fan questions about Mika Hakkinen,
>you know what is he like etc. The doctor then informed me he has NO
>respect for Mika. When I asked why, he informed me that Mika didn't
>even say thank you to him. Okay this doctor was at the Adelaide GP for
>just this reason, and if it wasn't him someone else would have probably
>saved Mika's life, but as a fellow health professional I can understand
>his view.
"No respect" just because he didn't say thankyou ? What a load of bollocks.
Your Doctor needs an attitude test.
The only thanks he should *need* are knowing he did his job well,
and saved the guy's [Mika's] life. It is always pleasant to be thanked, but
as for losing all respect for somebody because of this! get real.
Dab
P.S. A tracheotomy is pretty routine for a trauma surgeon. If he'd
performed it with a potato peeler in a burning car under a collapsing
building or something, then fair enough.
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Steven Weier
> "No respect" just because he didn't say thankyou ? What a load of
> bollocks. Your Doctor needs an attitude test.
> The only thanks he should *need* are knowing he did his job well,
> and saved the guy's [Mika's] life. It is always pleasant to be thanked,
> but as for losing all respect for somebody because of this! get real.
I am rather confused with the rather harsh negative response my post
got.
Yes the doctor was pleased with knowing he did his job well and saved
a man's life, he lost respect for Mika because he obviously has no
manners.
Manners are something I hold very important. I would definately thank
the person who saved my life it's just common decency. I can only
assume
from the responses my post got that either people believe that a)
manners
are not important and hold no place in society, b) that if someone is
getting paid to help you they don't deserve any thanks or c) that if
your rich and famous letting them help you is thanks enough. Which is
it?
Steven
Steven Weier
> >"When I arrived at the accident two minutes after the crash he was
> >unconscious and having serious difficulty breathing. *We* removed him
> >from the car and had to perform an emergency tracheotomy..."
> >
> >The key word is *We* meaning a safety team which Prof. Syd and the "AD"
> >were a part, I presume. Has Prof. Syd taken credit for this remedy in
> >the past?
> >
> >Any mention of Mika visiting the staff who helped him start his
> >convalescence?
Not to my knowledge.
> I am pretty sure that none of us can give the absolute truth here, but as we
> all have grown to know Professor Sid Watkins over the last 20 or more years
> or so his trackrecord may speak for itself. There should not be any doubts
> about his abilities to do emergency tracheotomy or anything else. If he
> finds a reason to let anyone else to do it will be done by capable hands. If
> he infact says he did it in his book, rest assured he did so. He is not the
> most reliable doctor to have handy in F1 for the past over twemty years for
> showing off or taking credits for anything he didn't do. If he would have
> anything against Mika Häkkinen or Mika being ungrateful or anything of the
> sort, you might rest equally sured you wouldn't ever find out. Mika don't
> owe his life to Sid Watkins
Sid Watkins did NOT perform the medical procedure which ultimately saved
Mika's life, the AD did that. He can take credit though for installing
a superb medical program to F1 and I feel can take most of the credit
for
the saving of any driver's life.
> nor does he have to publically apologise to
> some twat making a plead in a newsgroup.
For the record I do NOT want an apology from Mika, for I had absolutely
nothing to do with it. Nor did I want him to apologise to the AD, I
simply asked that he should thank the person who saved his life, as I
think it is long overdue and the right thing to do.
> What are you? God?
No I am not God, I am just an average Joe who holds manners in high
regard, and as Mika is definately a role model to a lot of people,
he should do the right thing and show everyone that if someone helps
you, you thank them. From experience I can definately say that even
though you are getting paid to do something, I really appreciate(I
do not however expect it) when someone thanks me for helping them.
It makes you feel good and that all the hard work and effort was
worth it.
Dab
Steven Weier wrote in message <368EDE...@quicknet.com.au>...
>I am rather confused with the rather harsh negative response my post
>got.
>Yes the doctor was pleased with knowing he did his job well and saved
>a man's life, he lost respect for Mika because he obviously has no
>manners.
>Manners are something I hold very important. I would definately thank
>the person who saved my life it's just common decency. I can only
>assume
>from the responses my post got that either people believe that a)
>manners
>are not important and hold no place in society, b) that if someone is
>getting paid to help you they don't deserve any thanks or c) that if
>your rich and famous letting them help you is thanks enough. Which is
>it?
I think perhaps it is D) Being part of a medical emergency team is the type
of situation where it is "unneccessary" to be thanked for doing one's job.
Consider this- does Adelaide Doctor "lose respect" for *all* patients who
don't thank him personally, or just the famous ones??
It seems an extraordinary attitude for a trauma doctor to have. What about
the (numerous) patients who *don't want* treatment, or are drunk, or high on
drugs? Is he just going to "not bother" with them ?
aaargh.
Dab
B.E.
>Dab
>P.S. A tracheotomy is pretty routine for a trauma surgeon. If he'd
>performed it with a potato peeler in a burning car under a collapsing
>building or something, then fair enough.
I'm not an MD, but according to what Dab says above, the decision to perform
the tracheotomy could have been more important than the procedure itself.
The decision was made by (insert name of MD here).
CD'A
Dab
B.E. wrote in message ...
perhaps (though I doubt it) - but wanting to be thanked afterwards is still
bizarre.
RachaelNex
Dab wrote in message ...
Whilst I agree that it is nice to be thanked, expecting to be thanked for
everything you do in your everyday job is abit egotistical. I mean, how many
of us recieve thanks for all the things we do at work? Just because work
involves saving lives doesn't make it more "thankworthy" than say, making
cakes.
FWIW, I would have thanked him. But I am generally a nice person who thinks
of these things anyway. ;-)
Rachael
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Jon Petersson
This article is from Atlas F1 News of 1997-03-11:
Hakkinen thanks hospital staff
Mika Hakkinen returned to the hospital which staff saved his live after the
accident he suffered in training for the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide
in 1995. The medical staff prevented serious brain damage because of
intensive surgery. Hakkinen was there to open a 1.6 million dollar
helicopter platform.
Hakkinen commented: "It means a lot to me to come back here today.
Obviously, I can't remember all the people who were involved in my recovery,
I wasn't feeling very well at the time. But I know I am a very lucky person
to be here today. I will carry it with me for the rest of my life. Not that
I have nightmares or anything like that, but it changed me so much for the
positive. Something like that certainly opens your eyes and maybe I don't
take so many risks in the car anymore."
Source URL: http://www.atlasf1.com/news/1997/365.htm
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staff personally.
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Jari Raivio
Christopher Wilmot skrev i meddelandet ...
Very good, this ought to shut someone up.
The nerve to post this kind of emotional crapload on someone that is
obviously not here to defend himself.
r27...@my-dejanews.com
Ber...@I.rule.F1.com (B.E.) wrote:
> In article <Ijxj2.4983$OU....@nnrp2.clara.net> "Dab" <bad...@clara.net>
writes:
>
> >Dab
>
> >P.S. A tracheotomy is pretty routine for a trauma surgeon. If he'd
> >performed it with a potato peeler in a burning car under a collapsing
> >building or something, then fair enough.
>
> I'm not an MD, but according to what Dab says above, the decision to perform
> the tracheotomy could have been more important than the procedure itself.
> The decision was made by (insert name of MD here).
>
>
The decision was made by (Professor Sid Watkins)
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Irwin Sabath
Yeah, right. That's a first for rasf1.
Insulting someone who's not here to defend himself.
>
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Irwin Sabath skrev i meddelandet
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>"Jari Raivio" <j-ra...@algonet.se> wrote:
>>The nerve to post this kind of emotional crapload on someone that is
>>obviously not here to defend himself.<
>
>Yeah, right. That's a first for rasf1.
>Insulting someone who's not here to defend himself.
>>
Well here here!
I don't insult others than those in here that obviously have different
opinions. (Only in a few cases do I insult those with the same view as
myself).
I do get to eat that up from time to time.
I don't load emotional crap over the do's and don'ts on Hill, but I have a
personal view which can be expressed. (It's improving since a few races
back, so don't wring my neck just yet.)
The point dear Irwin is that someone has stated that Mika didn't show
gratitude to the ones he owes his life to. (The bullshit has already begun
by this point). The fact that we all saw him go from Melbourne to Adelaide
with that soul objective by the time of his first visit to the bloody
continent.
I really can't see the objections you might have towards me or someone else
pointing this out.
Kenneth Fletcher
puhleeeeze, tell your medical buddy to get some attitude surgery.
He wants particular personal thanks for "saving" Mika's life. It's in
the job description that you save (or at least EXTEND) lives.
Expecting thanks is just plain wierd. For most of us MDs knowing the
patient did well is plenty. No profuse thanks from celebrities on
others is required.
I think Mika probably had more pressing things to do for quite a while
and I expect my patients to be nusy getting better not thinking of who
to thank.
sheeeeesh
Ken
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with common sense, I agree with the diagnosis and prescription; the trackside
doctor is IS need of "attitude surgery" or maybe even ego-reduction surgery.
He sounds like someone who is awe-struck by celebrity and therefore has "no
respect for Mika Hakkinen" because Mika "did not thank him" after his noble
gesture of "saving Mika's life". It's hard to understand what there is about
this that he could think justifies that attitude. Perhaps someone can correct
my understanding of the facts. My understanding is: The doctor (who later
"lost respect" for Mika) got to Mika within 30 seconds. Mika sat in the car
unconcious and bleeding until Prof. Sid Watkins arrived 1 min. 30 sec. later.
Mika was then removed from the car. Watkins recognized the need for a
tracheotomy and instructed the doctor to make the incision which kept Mika
from suffocating. Mika was taken to the hospital unconcious. Mika remained
unconcious until the next morning (never saw the doctor at the track). Mika
remained in the hospital for the following two weeks. What I am really
curious about is; since Mika never saw the doctor (at the accident scene),
did he (the trackside doctor) visit Mika in the hospital and introduce
himself as the doctor that "saved his life"?
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Irwin Sabath
I didn't. My post clearly referred to the MD's advocate in rasf1-- the
originator of this thread.
Jari Raivio
Irwin Sabath skrev i meddelandet ...
>>I really can't see the objections you might have towards me or someone
else
>>pointing this out.<
>
>I didn't. My post clearly referred to the MD's advocate in rasf1-- the
>originator of this thread.
>>
Hey! Does this mean that we agree on something?
I'll have to make a note in my calendar.
10 days til' we see what those early testing times are worth.
Kenneth Fletcher
was more precautionary than life saving. IIRC they are often given
when the airway is questionable and you don't want to go around moving
the head and neck too much because of possible neck/skull trauma.
Mika might've died but whether it all turned on a tracheotmy at that
particular moment is one of those mysteries that doesn't have an
answer.
Ken
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Dab
Kenneth Fletcher wrote in message ...
>It's been a while since I did emergency work but I suspect the "trach"
>was more precautionary than life saving. IIRC they are often given
>when the airway is questionable and you don't want to go around moving
>the head and neck too much because of possible neck/skull trauma.
>
>Mika might've died but whether it all turned on a tracheotmy at that
>particular moment is one of those mysteries that doesn't have an
>answer.
I don't know about the specific circumstances of Mika's injury, but crush
injuries caused by motorcycle helmets seem to be the biggest cause of said
procedure being necessary.
In terms of moving the head, this is the $60,000 question, as to do a good
Trach , the patient should really be supine.
oy vey who gives a shit.
Tom Cosgrave
Dab wrote in message <8Ios2.60$gj3...@nnrp2.clara.net>...
>
>oy vey who gives a shit.
I hope you do - you're the trauma surgeon :-)
Tom
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Dab
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>Dab wrote in message <8Ios2.60$gj3...@nnrp2.clara.net>...
>>
>>oy vey who gives a shit.
>
>
>I hope you do - you're the trauma surgeon :-)
I don't give a shit today, to be honest...