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Alan Baker
Nov 23, 2012, 6:19:25 PM11/23/12
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For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
gpsman
Nov 23, 2012, 10:41:53 PM11/23/12
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On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
superior skill.
I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
-----
- gpsman
Alan Baker
Nov 23, 2012, 10:50:27 PM11/23/12
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In article
<c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,
> I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
LOL
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
<c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,
gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> > 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> superior skill.
Really? And you know this... ...how?
> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> > 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> superior skill.
> I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
gpsman
Nov 24, 2012, 12:30:52 AM11/24/12
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maniacal OT x-posting left intact
On Nov 23, 10:50 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
reading of your attitude; your disdain for velocity, slower motorists,
traffic code, traffic cameras, law enforcement, and your basic driver
training.
Skip Barber and similar schools aren't patronized by motorists who
don't already believe they are excellent drivers, and their
instructors have little motivation, if they had the time, to dispel
those fallacious conclusions.
Reckymember good ol' Motorhead Lawyer, the BMW "high-performance"
instructor citing something like 25% of his students reported his
training saved them within 2 weeks of "graduation" as evidence of the
value of his instruction, while failing to recognize that as an
unusually high number of occurrences of serious incident avoidance?
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is perhaps no more true than
when applied to motorists.
> > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
> LOL
You're unlucky the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't painful.
-----
- gpsman
On Nov 23, 10:50 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> > who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> > afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> > with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> > massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> > superior skill.
>
> Really? And you know this... ...how?
Duh. $15K of driver education and training combined with ten years of
>
> > Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> > who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> > afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> > with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> > massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> > superior skill.
>
> Really? And you know this... ...how?
reading of your attitude; your disdain for velocity, slower motorists,
traffic code, traffic cameras, law enforcement, and your basic driver
training.
Skip Barber and similar schools aren't patronized by motorists who
don't already believe they are excellent drivers, and their
instructors have little motivation, if they had the time, to dispel
those fallacious conclusions.
Reckymember good ol' Motorhead Lawyer, the BMW "high-performance"
instructor citing something like 25% of his students reported his
training saved them within 2 weeks of "graduation" as evidence of the
value of his instruction, while failing to recognize that as an
unusually high number of occurrences of serious incident avoidance?
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is perhaps no more true than
when applied to motorists.
> > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
> LOL
-----
- gpsman
Steve de Mena
Nov 24, 2012, 3:54:41 AM11/24/12
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On 11/23/12 3:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>
Looks like you had fun! Terrific!
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>
Steve
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 4:04:45 AM11/24/12
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In article
<659b0508-0c38-48ee...@n2g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,
motorists, or for the traffic code.
>
> Skip Barber and similar schools aren't patronized by motorists who
> don't already believe they are excellent drivers, and their
> instructors have little motivation, if they had the time, to dispel
> those fallacious conclusions.
LOL
I have no idea what other drivers at Skip Barber think of their skills,
but I don't think of my self as an excellent driver. I'm believe I'm
reasonably competent, but no more.
And the instructors aren't charged with dispelling anything. They are
there to teach the skills and techniques necessary for one to go around
a closed course as quickly as possible.
>
> Reckymember good ol' Motorhead Lawyer, the BMW "high-performance"
> instructor citing something like 25% of his students reported his
> training saved them within 2 weeks of "graduation" as evidence of the
> value of his instruction, while failing to recognize that as an
> unusually high number of occurrences of serious incident avoidance?
Nope. I don't remember anything like that. For myself, if any of the
skills I've been taught at Skip Barber had to be used in street driving
to "save" me, I'd count that a failure.
>
> "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is perhaps no more true than
> when applied to motorists.
LOL
Yet you have no trouble trotting out your precious little knowledge of
who I am and how I drive to draw conclusions from thin air.
>
> > > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
> >
> > LOL
>
> You're unlucky the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't painful.
But of course, you're immune!
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
<659b0508-0c38-48ee...@n2g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,
gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> maniacal OT x-posting left intact
>
> On Nov 23, 10:50 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> > > who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> > > afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> > > with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> > > massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> > > superior skill.
> >
> > Really? And you know this... ...how?
>
> Duh. $15K of driver education and training combined with ten years of
> reading of your attitude; your disdain for velocity, slower motorists,
> traffic code, traffic cameras, law enforcement, and your basic driver
> training.
Where do you get $15K? I don't have a disdain for velocity or slower
> maniacal OT x-posting left intact
>
> On Nov 23, 10:50 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> > > who despite throwing what little education and training they have been
> > > afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> > > with a little racing education and training and practice with which to
> > > massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> > > superior skill.
> >
> > Really? And you know this... ...how?
>
> Duh. $15K of driver education and training combined with ten years of
> reading of your attitude; your disdain for velocity, slower motorists,
> traffic code, traffic cameras, law enforcement, and your basic driver
> training.
motorists, or for the traffic code.
>
> Skip Barber and similar schools aren't patronized by motorists who
> don't already believe they are excellent drivers, and their
> instructors have little motivation, if they had the time, to dispel
> those fallacious conclusions.
I have no idea what other drivers at Skip Barber think of their skills,
but I don't think of my self as an excellent driver. I'm believe I'm
reasonably competent, but no more.
And the instructors aren't charged with dispelling anything. They are
there to teach the skills and techniques necessary for one to go around
a closed course as quickly as possible.
>
> Reckymember good ol' Motorhead Lawyer, the BMW "high-performance"
> instructor citing something like 25% of his students reported his
> training saved them within 2 weeks of "graduation" as evidence of the
> value of his instruction, while failing to recognize that as an
> unusually high number of occurrences of serious incident avoidance?
skills I've been taught at Skip Barber had to be used in street driving
to "save" me, I'd count that a failure.
>
> "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is perhaps no more true than
> when applied to motorists.
Yet you have no trouble trotting out your precious little knowledge of
who I am and how I drive to draw conclusions from thin air.
>
> > > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
> >
> > LOL
>
> You're unlucky the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't painful.
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
Bigbird
Nov 24, 2012, 7:06:49 AM11/24/12
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Alan Baker wrote:
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
> my 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
Just as well you weren't trying to go fast. With you inability to
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
> my 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
appreciate track conditions you would never have made it round.
News
Nov 24, 2012, 8:32:28 AM11/24/12
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On 11/23/2012 6:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>
Tough on the equipment though. The track surface was a broken-down mess
> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>
> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>
in the 1970s and the current incarnation (long or short course) seems no
better.
Geof
Nov 24, 2012, 8:36:16 AM11/24/12
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"gpsman" wrote in message
news:c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
Sebastian Vettel slumming.
After watching for 4 minutes it put me to sleep. I drive my fun car
faster than that a few times a week on the street.
Geof
Nov 24, 2012, 1:18:38 PM11/24/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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>LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
A peacock call?
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 3:09:53 PM11/24/12
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In article <k8qige$92g$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> "gpsman" wrote in message
> news:c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
> > my
> > 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> >Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> >who despite throwing what little education and training they have
> >been
> >afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> >with a little racing education and training and practice with which
> >to
> >massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> >superior skill.
>
> >I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
> gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
> guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
> Sebastian Vettel slumming.
Yup. The Skip Barber cars have a sequential box and sometimes it is
difficult to engage neutral.
And the guy who blew by me was on my out lap in a new car (they pulled
me out of one when it developed a mechanical issue) and so I was going
particularly slow as I worked out where the brake pedal bit and where
the throttle would be when I was hard on the brakes...
...and he was the guy who had finished second in the real driving
portion of GT Academy, having set a lap record at Silverstone.
<http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5577.html>
That's him third from the left in the top row.
>
> After watching for 4 minutes it put me to sleep. I drive my fun car
> faster than that a few times a week on the street.
You regularly drive at 120mph on the street? Where?
wrote:
> "gpsman" wrote in message
> news:c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
> > my
> > 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>
> >Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
> >who despite throwing what little education and training they have
> >been
> >afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent drivers,
> >with a little racing education and training and practice with which
> >to
> >massage their already grossly inflated egos and false senses of
> >superior skill.
>
> >I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
> gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
> guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
> Sebastian Vettel slumming.
difficult to engage neutral.
And the guy who blew by me was on my out lap in a new car (they pulled
me out of one when it developed a mechanical issue) and so I was going
particularly slow as I worked out where the brake pedal bit and where
the throttle would be when I was hard on the brakes...
...and he was the guy who had finished second in the real driving
portion of GT Academy, having set a lap record at Silverstone.
<http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5577.html>
That's him third from the left in the top row.
>
> After watching for 4 minutes it put me to sleep. I drive my fun car
> faster than that a few times a week on the street.
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 3:10:31 PM11/24/12
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In article <k8r32b$au2$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > > > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
> > >
> > > LOL
> >
> > You're unlucky the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't painful.
>
> >But of course, you're immune!
>
> There is no immune. You either got it or you don't. You got it.
And of course you believe you don't...
LOL
>
> >LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
> A peacock call?
wrote:
> > > > I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
> > >
> > > LOL
> >
> > You're unlucky the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't painful.
>
> >But of course, you're immune!
>
> There is no immune. You either got it or you don't. You got it.
LOL
>
> >LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
> A peacock call?
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 3:11:18 PM11/24/12
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wasn't jar your teeth out rough.
News
Nov 24, 2012, 3:54:13 PM11/24/12
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On 11/24/2012 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <k8qi9r$7ue$1...@dont-email.me>, News <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2012 6:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
>>> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>>>
>>> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
>>> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>>>
>>
>> Tough on the equipment though. The track surface was a broken-down mess
>> in the 1970s and the current incarnation (long or short course) seems no
>> better.
>
> Honestly, it didn't seem that bad. Yes, the surface was rough, but it
> wasn't jar your teeth out rough.
>
Tell that to the Heim joints.
> In article <k8qi9r$7ue$1...@dont-email.me>, News <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2012 6:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of my
>>> 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
>>>
>>> Very different from driving at Laguna, I really loved the the "rhythm
>>> section" of corners immediately before the back straight.
>>>
>>
>> Tough on the equipment though. The track surface was a broken-down mess
>> in the 1970s and the current incarnation (long or short course) seems no
>> better.
>
> Honestly, it didn't seem that bad. Yes, the surface was rough, but it
> wasn't jar your teeth out rough.
>
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 3:58:32 PM11/24/12
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:-)
Geof
Nov 24, 2012, 5:17:04 PM11/24/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
Alan Baker
Nov 24, 2012, 5:23:14 PM11/24/12
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In article <k8rh0u$s1v$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Then you are worse than a fool: you are endangering lives.
Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an accelerator
pedal.
wrote:
Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an accelerator
pedal.
Geof
Nov 24, 2012, 8:26:48 PM11/24/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
>Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
>accelerator
>pedal.
and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
track over and over and over again and again and again at slow speed.
Geof
Nov 24, 2012, 8:34:52 PM11/24/12
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Addendum.
running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
speed.
-hh
Nov 24, 2012, 10:07:43 PM11/24/12
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> news:alangbaker-756E2...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <k8rh0u$s1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com>
As per Google Map's Street View, it is a one lane State Road. The
region also has its share of deer and the like; one would have to be
quite careful in selecting a 'safe' spot.
In any case, a 'blip' sounds more like a motorcycle, and 28 does go up
to the Dragon...
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow speed.
Oh, there's certainly going to be segments where the risk is perceived
to be 'acceptable'. Key words here being perceived, and that
acceptability is relative to the sections where conditions it clearly
make it foolish. There's been times where even trying to do 3/4s of
the speed limit over on TN Old 71 is unwise.
-hh
>
> In article <k8rh0u$s1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-8FE8E...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> > In article <k8qige$92...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-8FE8E...@news.shawcable.net...
>
region also has its share of deer and the like; one would have to be
quite careful in selecting a 'safe' spot.
In any case, a 'blip' sounds more like a motorcycle, and 28 does go up
to the Dragon...
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow speed.
to be 'acceptable'. Key words here being perceived, and that
acceptability is relative to the sections where conditions it clearly
make it foolish. There's been times where even trying to do 3/4s of
the speed limit over on TN Old 71 is unwise.
-hh
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 12:45:45 AM11/25/12
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In article <k8rs4m$qsp$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
From my experience running similar roads, yeah. I mean, you don't
imagine that NC 28 is the only twisty highway in the world, do you?
But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual range
that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180 mph
is criminally stupid.
>
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow speed.
That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
just too stupid for words.
imagine that NC 28 is the only twisty highway in the world, do you?
But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual range
that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180 mph
is criminally stupid.
>
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow speed.
when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
just too stupid for words.
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 12:46:25 AM11/25/12
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In article <k8rsjp$t0s$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
LOL
I'd be the first to admit that I wasn't the fastest driver out there,
Geof, but "slow speed"? Please.
wrote:
I'd be the first to admit that I wasn't the fastest driver out there,
Geof, but "slow speed"? Please.
Geof
Nov 25, 2012, 11:35:39 AM11/25/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
>But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual range
>that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180
>mph
>is criminally stupid.
>
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no
> turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow
> speed.
>That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
>when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
>comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
>exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
>BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where
>you
>can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife...
>...is
>just too stupid for words.
tossing insults from behind a monitor that he would never do in an
arms length from me if we were face to face.
You are a real man a man without a spine a coward blowhard.
Geof
Nov 25, 2012, 11:47:15 AM11/25/12
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"-hh" wrote in message
news:7ebb517f-16c4-430a...@n5g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>In any case, a 'blip' sounds more like a motorcycle, and 28 does go
>up
>to the Dragon...
me is a blip but I never timed it. It comes on fast.
> >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> >accelerator
> >pedal.
>
> From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no
> turns
> and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> track over and over and over again and again and again at slow
> speed.
>Oh, there's certainly going to be segments where the risk is
>perceived
>to be 'acceptable'. Key words here being perceived, and that
>acceptability is relative to the sections where conditions it clearly
>make it foolish. There's been times where even trying to do 3/4s of
>the speed limit over on TN Old 71 is unwise.
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 12:22:04 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8thcp$idb$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
So you DO think it is the only twisty highway in the world...
>
> >But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual range
> >that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180
> >mph
> >is criminally stupid.
>
> You were never on it so you don't know.
And you don't know what Dunning-Kreuger is.
:-)
>
> >
> > >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> > >accelerator
> > >pedal.
> >
> > From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no
> > turns
> > and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> > track over and over and over again and again and again at slow
> > speed.
>
> >That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> >when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> >comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> >exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> >BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where
> >you
> >can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife...
> >...is
> >just too stupid for words.
>
> A public safety minded citizen with a big mouth 2800 miles from me
> tossing insults from behind a monitor that he would never do in an
> arms length from me if we were face to face.
>
> You are a real man a man without a spine a coward blowhard.
LOL
I'll make the same offer I've made to others. Come out and show me what
you can do on the track. My next time out there will almost certainly be
an actual race weekend, so you'll really be able to show your stuff...
...if you're qualified to be out there.
:-)
Oh, and do try to remember that it was you who started throwing around
the insults, little man.
:-)
>
> >But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual range
> >that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180
> >mph
> >is criminally stupid.
>
> You were never on it so you don't know.
:-)
>
> >
> > >Furthermore, there's no particular skill in stepping on an
> > >accelerator
> > >pedal.
> >
> > From your experience you know 28 is a very long straight with no
> > turns
> > and your idea of skill is running the same 2 or 3 miles of the same
> > track over and over and over again and again and again at slow
> > speed.
>
> >That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> >when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> >comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> >exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> >BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where
> >you
> >can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife...
> >...is
> >just too stupid for words.
>
> A public safety minded citizen with a big mouth 2800 miles from me
> tossing insults from behind a monitor that he would never do in an
> arms length from me if we were face to face.
>
> You are a real man a man without a spine a coward blowhard.
I'll make the same offer I've made to others. Come out and show me what
you can do on the track. My next time out there will almost certainly be
an actual race weekend, so you'll really be able to show your stuff...
...if you're qualified to be out there.
:-)
Oh, and do try to remember that it was you who started throwing around
the insults, little man.
:-)
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 12:22:47 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8ti2g$mhr$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
As I thought, you are easily impressed.
wrote:
Geof
Nov 25, 2012, 1:14:32 PM11/25/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.
>...if you're qualified to be out there.
>:-)
>Oh, and do try to remember that it was you who started throwing
>around
>the insults, little man.
>:-)
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 1:36:01 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8tn66$nhe$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > >From my experience running similar roads, yeah. I mean, you don't
> > >imagine that NC 28 is the only twisty highway in the world, do you?
> >
> > You never drove it and you don't know.
>
> >So you DO think it is the only twisty highway in the world...
>
> >
> > >But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual
> > >range
> > >that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180
> > >mph
> > >is criminally stupid.
> >
> > You were never on it so you don't know.
>
> >And you don't know what Dunning-Kreuger is.
>
> We are not speaking about Dunning-Kruger if you didn't know.
Very good!
LOL
I love guys like you.
>
>
> >...if you're qualified to be out there.
>
> >:-)
>
> >Oh, and do try to remember that it was you who started throwing
> >around
> >the insults, little man.
>
> Show them spineless blowhard.
>
> >:-)
Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions. Saying
that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
wrote:
> > >From my experience running similar roads, yeah. I mean, you don't
> > >imagine that NC 28 is the only twisty highway in the world, do you?
> >
> > You never drove it and you don't know.
>
> >So you DO think it is the only twisty highway in the world...
>
> >
> > >But even if the road was dead straight but still had the visual
> > >range
> > >that a road such as NC 28 must have because of the terrain and 180
> > >mph
> > >is criminally stupid.
> >
> > You were never on it so you don't know.
>
> >And you don't know what Dunning-Kreuger is.
>
> We are not speaking about Dunning-Kruger if you didn't know.
I love guys like you.
>
>
> >...if you're qualified to be out there.
>
> >:-)
>
> >Oh, and do try to remember that it was you who started throwing
> >around
> >the insults, little man.
>
> Show them spineless blowhard.
>
> >:-)
"Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
Sebastian Vettel slumming."
What was that in your world: polite conversation in your world?
gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
Sebastian Vettel slumming."
Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions. Saying
that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
Sir Tim
Nov 25, 2012, 3:27:43 PM11/25/12
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Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
> the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions. Saying
> that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
Why don't you just let it go Alan? There are always plenty of boy racers
> Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
> the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions. Saying
> that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
who have never so much as sat in a racing car yet are prepared to show off
their "skills" on the road rather than the track.
In my experience even the most humble club racer has abilities denied to us
ordinary mortals.
(having said that, most racing drivers I have driven with were absolute
lunatics on the road) :-)
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.
Alan LeHun
Nov 25, 2012, 3:39:14 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8tn66$nhe$1...@dont-email.me>, gba...@yahoo.com says...
> I'll make you an offer blowhard. Come to my backyard and insult me to
> my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.
>
If you thought tales of your macho and wholly irresponsible driving were
going to impress people here, you were obviously mistaken.
Purile displays of keyboard macho-ism aren't going to help.
--
Alan LeHun
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> I'll make you an offer blowhard. Come to my backyard and insult me to
> my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.
>
going to impress people here, you were obviously mistaken.
Purile displays of keyboard macho-ism aren't going to help.
--
Alan LeHun
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-hh
Nov 25, 2012, 5:18:01 PM11/25/12
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"Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "-hh" wrote:
> "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" wrote:
> > > "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Alan Baker" wrote:
personal risk thresholds...at least within your personal perception of
relevant risks.
> >In any case, a 'blip' sounds more like a motorcycle, and 28 does go
> >up to the Dragon...
>
> To carry from 120 to 180 is not very long 15/20 seconds maybe and to
> me is a blip but I never timed it. It comes on fast.
Again, it sounds like the highly unprotected sphere of a crotch rocket
or similar bike...heaven forbid you even clip a bird, let alone
something bigger...after all, 180mph = 66 ft per eyeblink (250
milliseconds), and stopping distances for a bike (a good bike with a
good rider) at 150mph is roughly a quarter mile of real estate.
> >Oh, there's certainly going to be segments where the risk is
> >perceived to be 'acceptable'. Key words here being perceived,
> >and that acceptability is relative to the sections where conditions
> >it clearly make it foolish. There's been times where even trying
> >to do 3/4s of the speed limit over on TN Old 71 is unwise.
>
> Yes road conditions matter a lot but big excitement.
Which pretty much clinches that you're accepting a level of risk to
life & limb just for a brief adrenaline rush.
-hh
> "-hh" wrote:
> "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" wrote:
> > > "Geof" <gbar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Alan Baker" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >You regularly drive at 120mph on the street? Where?
>
> > > NC 28, and I blip it up to 180.
> > >Then you are worse than a fool: you are endangering lives.
>
> > From your experience from running 28.
> >As per Google Map's Street View, it is a one lane State Road. The
> >region also has its share of deer and the like; one would have to be
> >quite careful in selecting a 'safe' spot.
>
> Yes very careful.
To be sure, an understatement which merely is indicative of your
> > > >You regularly drive at 120mph on the street? Where?
>
> > > NC 28, and I blip it up to 180.
> > >Then you are worse than a fool: you are endangering lives.
>
> > From your experience from running 28.
> >As per Google Map's Street View, it is a one lane State Road. The
> >region also has its share of deer and the like; one would have to be
> >quite careful in selecting a 'safe' spot.
>
> Yes very careful.
personal risk thresholds...at least within your personal perception of
relevant risks.
> >In any case, a 'blip' sounds more like a motorcycle, and 28 does go
> >up to the Dragon...
>
> To carry from 120 to 180 is not very long 15/20 seconds maybe and to
> me is a blip but I never timed it. It comes on fast.
or similar bike...heaven forbid you even clip a bird, let alone
something bigger...after all, 180mph = 66 ft per eyeblink (250
milliseconds), and stopping distances for a bike (a good bike with a
good rider) at 150mph is roughly a quarter mile of real estate.
> >Oh, there's certainly going to be segments where the risk is
> >perceived to be 'acceptable'. Key words here being perceived,
> >and that acceptability is relative to the sections where conditions
> >it clearly make it foolish. There's been times where even trying
> >to do 3/4s of the speed limit over on TN Old 71 is unwise.
>
> Yes road conditions matter a lot but big excitement.
life & limb just for a brief adrenaline rush.
-hh
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 5:19:59 PM11/25/12
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In article
<f9c03790-02f6-47bf...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
What the real truth is that this is just another of Michael's
sockpuppets and the whole thing is just so much bullshit.
:-)
<f9c03790-02f6-47bf...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
sockpuppets and the whole thing is just so much bullshit.
:-)
Geof
Nov 25, 2012, 8:28:41 PM11/25/12
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
then lapped you.
>Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
>the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions.
>Saying
>that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 8:34:05 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8ugk8$9gj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Geof" <gba...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No. You are apparently too simple to realize that the first car to pass
me and the second were different colours.
And he "blew by" me, because I got out of the throttle to let him by. I
wasn't yet comfortable in the new car they'd given me and as we weren't
racing but rather learning...
>
>
> >Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
> >the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions.
> >Saying
> >that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
>
>
> Now you are playing a different tune.
Nope. The tune is the same...
...Michael.
:-)
wrote:
me and the second were different colours.
And he "blew by" me, because I got out of the throttle to let him by. I
wasn't yet comfortable in the new car they'd given me and as we weren't
racing but rather learning...
>
>
> >Fact: driving at 180 mph on a public road is criminally stupid unless
> >the road is straight with miles of visibility in all directions.
> >Saying
> >that isn't an insult: it's just a truth you don't want to hear.
>
>
> Now you are playing a different tune.
...Michael.
:-)
-hh
Nov 25, 2012, 8:44:31 PM11/25/12
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Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
Pratt used to brag about his bikes all the time and before he fell on
hard times, Brian used to track them. Seeing someone else out
enjoying themselves on a track = burning envy.
And if he, or 'Michael' or whatever his name is today wants to hear me
say it to his face, well he simply needs to stop passing up the easy
opportunities when folks such as me or Sandman are in his 'back
yard'...such as what I just was just under two weeks ago yet again.
If he's going to now claim he's living in western NC, I'll be there
too in just over six months from now...yet again. I might even offer
to meet at Mt. Leconte, if I wasn't afraid that he's so out of shape
to not be able to make the climb ;-)
-hh
hard times, Brian used to track them. Seeing someone else out
enjoying themselves on a track = burning envy.
And if he, or 'Michael' or whatever his name is today wants to hear me
say it to his face, well he simply needs to stop passing up the easy
opportunities when folks such as me or Sandman are in his 'back
yard'...such as what I just was just under two weeks ago yet again.
If he's going to now claim he's living in western NC, I'll be there
too in just over six months from now...yet again. I might even offer
to meet at Mt. Leconte, if I wasn't afraid that he's so out of shape
to not be able to make the climb ;-)
-hh
~misfit~
Nov 25, 2012, 7:37:55 PM11/25/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Alan Baker wrote:
> In article
> <c59113f8-264d-4fc4...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
> gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
>>> my 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>>
>> Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
>> who despite throwing what little education and training they have
>> been afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent
>> drivers, with a little racing education and training and practice
>> with which to massage their already grossly inflated egos and false
>> senses of superior skill.
>
> Really? And you know this... ...how?
>
>> On Nov 23, 6:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> For those who are interested, here's me driving the last session of
>>> my 2-day advanced formula car school at Skip Barber, Sebring.
>>
>> Congratulations, you're now among the most dangerous motorists; those
>> who despite throwing what little education and training they have
>> been afforded out the window manage to imagine they are excellent
>> drivers, with a little racing education and training and practice
>> with which to massage their already grossly inflated egos and false
>> senses of superior skill.
>
>
>> I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
> LOL
>> I sincerely wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
>
I generally plonk X-posters. There's enough noise in this group without
dragging it in from elsewhere no?
--
/Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
Tom $herman (-_-)
Nov 25, 2012, 10:28:35 PM11/25/12
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On 11/24/2012 2:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
>> >gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
>> >guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
>> >Sebastian Vettel slumming.
>> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
>> >gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
>> >guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
>> >Sebastian Vettel slumming.
> Yup. The Skip Barber cars have a sequential box and sometimes it is
> difficult to engage neutral.
The trick with sequential gearboxes is to find neutral while still
> difficult to engage neutral.
rolling, especially when hot.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Tom $herman (-_-)
Nov 25, 2012, 10:35:13 PM11/25/12
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On 11/25/2012 4:18 PM, -hh wrote:
> Again, it sounds like the highly unprotected sphere of a crotch rocket
> or similar bike...heaven forbid you even clip a bird, let alone
> something bigger...after all, 180mph = 66 ft per eyeblink (250
> milliseconds), and stopping distances for a bike (a good bike with a
> good rider) at 150mph is roughly a quarter mile of real estate.
"Sport bike", not "crotch rocket" please.
> Again, it sounds like the highly unprotected sphere of a crotch rocket
> or similar bike...heaven forbid you even clip a bird, let alone
> something bigger...after all, 180mph = 66 ft per eyeblink (250
> milliseconds), and stopping distances for a bike (a good bike with a
> good rider) at 150mph is roughly a quarter mile of real estate.
I would want ABS for going those speeds on the road - front wheel lockup
on clean and smooth pavement is not really a problem, but doing
unintentional stoppies at speed or braking on washboard* gets hairy in a
hurry.
*Damn cars wash-boarded the patching at Blackhawk Farms this spring,
making for some really odd lines through Turns 1 and 7, unless one
wanted to do some impromptu supermoto riding. ;)
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 10:42:28 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8unle$8l8$1...@dont-email.me>,
My two previous times at Skip Barber, whenever I brought my car back to
the pits, my last thing before shutting off would be to find the neutral
(green light on), but they asked us not to do that specifically this
time. Somehow, they felt that despite being on the dead flat pit boxes
of an airfield circuit, it was better to leave the car in gear so that
it wouldn't roll.
You can see in the video that I'm fiddling with the reverse lockout and
the gear lever to try and find neutral, but it was no dice. Anyhow, it's
more fun to have something amusing happen.
"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 11/24/2012 2:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
> >> >gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
> >> >guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
> >> >Sebastian Vettel slumming.
> > Yup. The Skip Barber cars have a sequential box and sometimes it is
> > difficult to engage neutral.
>
> The trick with sequential gearboxes is to find neutral while still
> rolling, especially when hot.
I know...
> On 11/24/2012 2:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> Pretty brutal. First he couldn't start the car because it was in
> >> >gear, then he had it in reverse when he started. Hey, did you see the
> >> >guy that blew by him like he was standing still? It must have been
> >> >Sebastian Vettel slumming.
> > Yup. The Skip Barber cars have a sequential box and sometimes it is
> > difficult to engage neutral.
>
> The trick with sequential gearboxes is to find neutral while still
> rolling, especially when hot.
My two previous times at Skip Barber, whenever I brought my car back to
the pits, my last thing before shutting off would be to find the neutral
(green light on), but they asked us not to do that specifically this
time. Somehow, they felt that despite being on the dead flat pit boxes
of an airfield circuit, it was better to leave the car in gear so that
it wouldn't roll.
You can see in the video that I'm fiddling with the reverse lockout and
the gear lever to try and find neutral, but it was no dice. Anyhow, it's
more fun to have something amusing happen.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Nov 25, 2012, 10:46:17 PM11/25/12
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On 11/24/2012 11:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
> can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
> just too stupid for words.
I've had the yellow flags come out for dogs on the track.
> That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
> can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
> just too stupid for words.
Alan Baker
Nov 25, 2012, 10:54:25 PM11/25/12
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In article <k8uomi$c1f$1...@dont-email.me>,
I'm sure... ...but you will admit that's a rare occurrence...
...and you get a warning flag before you come upon the troublesome
condition!
;-)
...and you get a warning flag before you come upon the troublesome
condition!
;-)
Joey jOJo JuNior ShaBadoo
Nov 26, 2012, 6:18:23 PM11/26/12
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On 2012-11-25 18:14:32 +0000, "Goof" (AKA Zero The PUSSY)
Next you'll be threatening to scratch Alan's eyes out, the way he has
you dangling :)
<gba...@yahoo.com> said:
>> LOL
>
>> I'll make the same offer I've made to others. Come out and show me what
>> you can do on the track. My next time out there will almost certainly be
>> an actual race weekend, so you'll really be able to show your stuff...
>
>
> I'll make you an offer blowhard. Come to my backyard and insult me to
> my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.
ooooh, aren't we getting bitchy, aren't we, PUSSY?
>> LOL
>
>> I'll make the same offer I've made to others. Come out and show me what
>> you can do on the track. My next time out there will almost certainly be
>> an actual race weekend, so you'll really be able to show your stuff...
>
>
> I'll make you an offer blowhard. Come to my backyard and insult me to
> my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.
Next you'll be threatening to scratch Alan's eyes out, the way he has
you dangling :)
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