Brawn Drivers again
build
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
Michael Schumacher
Jaques Villeneuve
???
the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>
> Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>
> Michael Schumacher
> Jaques Villeneuve
> ???
proposition for any team. Fry's having a joke, I reckon, knowing that
there are people out there desperate for a headline.
So far I've seen Jacques linked to Lotus, Renault, USF1 and now Brawn/
Merc. I don't get it. He's unlikely to bring significant sponsorship
in, he doesn't have any recent relevant experience, he's going to want
paying, the last time he sat in an F1 car is best forgotten, and he
hasn't been setting the world on fire in whatever else it's he's been
racing.
Fry's 'aving a turkish.
CatharticF1
bfaff8...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
In the surprise of the decade it might just be Lewis Hamilton.
--
CatharticF1
"What you thought was freedom is just greed."
build
Quit possible but ...
Malcolm Oastler thinks JV is damn good and I reckon MO knows what he
is talking about so ...
Fry also knows JV wel ...
beers,
build
build
> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in news:e68c0fed-3449-49eb-b4e2-
> > There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.
> >http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
> > Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
> > Michael Schumacher
> > Jaques Villeneuve
> > ???
> > the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld
> --
> CatharticF1
If you can promise to keep a secret I'll tell you that it is going to
be MH !
;-)
Ray O'Hara
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beers,
build
===========================================================================
JV is a punk.
CatharticF1
news:f18390d5-e47d-4002...@z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
His foray back into F1 with Renault though was very disappointing. I
can't imagine any major team signing him without testing him.
Bob Dubery
He's out of sight.
Out of sigh my baby
I said baby, baby, oh baby he's out of time
Ahem!
I think he WAS damn good.
build
Hmmm, actually I am not a fan but MO is a better judge than I.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> I can't for the life of me see why anybody thinks that Villeneuve is a
> proposition for any team. Fry's having a joke, I reckon, knowing that
> there are people out there desperate for a headline.
>
> So far I've seen Jacques linked to Lotus, Renault, USF1 and now Brawn/
> Merc. I don't get it. He's unlikely to bring significant sponsorship
> in, he doesn't have any recent relevant experience, he's going to want
> paying, the last time he sat in an F1 car is best forgotten, and he
> hasn't been setting the world on fire in whatever else it's he's been
> racing.
>
> Fry's 'aving a turkish.
In fact here's what I think is going on
1) Brawn slipped up and did not retain the new WDC
2) The pairing of Rosberg and [take your pick from whoever is still
available] isn't convincing
3) How many announcements of sponsorship deals for the new team have
you seen? Exactly
4) So Fry is talking up a storm to keep potential sponsors interested.
This is a case of there being only one thing worse than being talked
about.
AC
"CatharticF1" <rasf1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CDE8675428BAr...@203.26.24.228...
> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in news:e68c0fed-3449-49eb-b4e2-
> bfaff8...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.
>> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>>
>> Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>>
>> Michael Schumacher
>> Jaques Villeneuve
>> ???
>>
>> the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
>
> In the surprise of the decade it might just be Lewis Hamilton.
>
LOL, Brilliant. So brilliant, I want it to happen!!!
AC
AC
Dunno why they don't just go for a young driver from a lower series. Its
only place filling for Vettel.
AC
build
Astute.
beers,
build
build
ATM ask Bob, even if they have a driver signed why not reap what they
can from a hungry media? Actual may even work as you suggest. But,
Fry's answer in the Q&A makes sense. Remaining drivers incl JV and
even MS should be cheap and may even bring in a few mates dollars so
why not maximise the points as Fry says. MS is prob just publicity
unless Merc decide the promo value has a return (a real possibility)
and I would not discount that, very easy to find a sponsor to pay MS a
zillion or two and the challenge is almost irresistable. I would not
ridicule the JV and MS options yet. Remember they already have Nico,
his major fault is he's a snag not a prick. Anyway xmas parties mean
I'm pressing too many wrong keys so ... ta ta.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>
> Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>
> Michael Schumacher
Now Bild are joining in the fun. See
http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19301&Itemid=219
Merc are reported to have offered Schumacher exactly the same deal
they offered Button.
So should Schumacher feel flattered or insulted?
AC
Not ridiculing any one. Its just that I believe that all this is really down
to a desire to get Vettel. Of course it very possible that I'm completely
wrong about that. But that notion is primary in my thinking. In which case,
they are just filling a hole for possibly a year. Unless they sign a driver
for 2+ years, in which case, Nico is under threat.
Also, it seems to me that they are risking signing other drivers, who might
well be signed up by the time the MS and JV options go.
I agree that the publicity angle is never far away with F1.
Couple of things: why would MS come cheap, or is that a calculation based on
returns, and what do you mean by Nico being a "snag" and not a "prick"? I
just don't understand "snag!!!
AC
AC
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Are sponsors really that stupid? Who would sign up on the basis of MS being
there with out seeing a contract?
I wonder if Fry just likes the attention.
AC
Bigbird
>
> "Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:39414946-84f1-41ff...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com.
Well he was denied it for most of the last 12 months.
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
Sir Tim
wrote:
> I would not
>ridicule the JV and MS options yet.
This from the man who gave us "no way will Button move to McLaren".
If either JV or MS drive for Mercedes next year I'll eat my bowler :)
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
AC
"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote in message
news:q4c4i51oqld25crtt...@4ax.com...
Ah, you meanie.
Sooooo, Rosberg fired before he even drives the car, and Merc will have JV
and MS driving, right? :)
AC
APLer
news:e68c0fed-3449-49eb...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
The latest news in in: They have given Fangio and and Jim Clark offers
as well <g>.
build
>
> Couple of things: why would MS come cheap, or is that a calculation based on
> returns,
Yes.
> and what do you mean by Nico being a "snag" and not a "prick"? I
> just don't understand "snag!!!
SNAG = Sensitive New Age Guy.
Have you seen his website?
>
> AC
beers,
build
build
LOL. You are not going to let me forget that are you ;-)
I said "do not discount" or similar.
On MS think: German, Silver Arrows, Ross Brawn, etc ........
and his price could be cheap considering his value to sponsors.
beers,
build
build
G'day APLer,
As I think I said, the JV, MS references are probably more to do with
attracting media attention that reality but should not be totally
discounted. What Fry is doing is turning the loss of JB into a
posative in terms of media coverage, smart move.
beers,
build
Chad
> On Dec 11, 10:47 pm, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:59:21 -0800 (PST), build <bui...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not
>>> ridicule the JV and MS options yet.
>>
>> This from the man who gave us "no way will Button move to McLaren".
>> If either JV or MS drive for Mercedes next year I'll eat my bowler :)
>> --
>> Henry Birkin Bt.
>
> LOL. You are not going to let me forget that are you ;-)
>
> I said "do not discount" or similar.
>
I missed that, was it amongst the posts where you stated it would never
happen as you had an inside contact who knew for sure... or similar. ;-))
--
Chad
WebSlave
> 2) The pairing of Rosberg and [take your pick from whoever is still
> available] isn't convincing
Rosberg is convincing now. He broke his front wing a lot during the
first years, but he's matured. Paired with Heidfeld they'd be just as
strong as Button-Barrichello were this year.
Or with Schumi, for that matter, but I just can't find that credible.
Besides, I think MS would have a hard time with Nico, unless Brawn
gives Michael the same service he enjoyed at Ferrari.
-Webs-
WebSlave
> Now Bild are joining in the fun. Seehttp://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19301&I...
>
> Merc are reported to have offered Schumacher exactly the same deal
> they offered Button.
>
> So should Schumacher feel flattered or insulted?
Insulted, apparently, as rumours were that Nico gets a million more
(and has a clause that his team-mate can't earn any more than him).
-Webs-
build
G'day Chad,
The "do not discount or similar" referred to this thread. The words
were "I would not ridicule the JV and MS options yet"
I presume you are referring to the JB to Macca thread?
My informant was a bloke who is rarely wrong and he was convinced a
move to Macca did not make any sense. I should have remember you can
never say never in F1.
beers,
build
Chad
> Bob Dubery wrote:
>
>> 2) The pairing of Rosberg and [take your pick from whoever is still
>> available] isn't convincing
>
> Rosberg is convincing now. He broke his front wing a lot during the
> first years, but he's matured. Paired with Heidfeld they'd be just as
> strong as Button-Barrichello were this year.
>
It's interesting to see how far the level of confidence in Nico has dropped
as this saga has dragged on.
Great point about the Button comparison, I'd love to be able to see a poll
of the regulars here regarding who had the better lead driver at the
beginning of 2009, Williams or Brawn. (although I am pretty sure what the
result would have been)
> Or with Schumi, for that matter, but I just can't find that credible.
> Besides, I think MS would have a hard time with Nico, unless Brawn
> gives Michael the same service he enjoyed at Ferrari.
>
I now believe anything is possible after Fry again mentioned Michael, and
even brought up Villey's name! (although I still think Heidfeld is odds on
to get it.)
--
Chad
Chad
Yeah I thought you were talking about the eat your hat threads... and was
just teasing anyway. :)
--
Chad
APLer
news:26388ea8-5310-4b70...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 12, 3:48�am, APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote:
>> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:e68c0fed-3449-49eb-b4e2-bfaff8be18c
> e...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.
>> >http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>>
>> > Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>>
>> > Michael Schumacher
>> > Jaques Villeneuve
>> > ???
>>
>> > the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
>>
>> The latest news in in: They have given Fangio and and Jim Clark
>> offers as well <g>.
>
> G'day APLer,
> As I think I said, the JV, MS references are probably more to do with
> attracting media attention that reality but should not be totally
> discounted. What Fry is doing is turning the loss of JB into a
> posative in terms of media coverage, smart move.
>
Well the journalist was being pretty pushy about the prospective driver
and now that I've actually *read* the thing (sorry), no where does Fry
say either are being considered. He just mentions that Kimi isn't
because he's leaving F1.
build
Aw c'mon gimme a break, that's ancient history after all I'm just a
silly 'ol fart ;-)
beers,
build
> Well the journalist was being pretty pushy about the prospective driver
> and now that I've actually *read* the thing (sorry), no where does Fry
> say either are being considered. He just mentions that Kimi isn't
> because he's leaving F1.
Elsewhere a bloke is saying I'm missing the obvious ... hmmm, what?
So who is the third experienced driver available?
He also agrees that NH is the or fourth or in other words last resort.
I also reckon you blokes are underestimating NR, he put in some *very*
impressive drives this year. Only on one occasion did he do less than
possible.
beers,
build
David Melville
Better than an obnoxious, noxious, jumped-up cunt.
(no names mentioned!)
--
Cheers,
Dave
Don't touch me unless you love me.
APLer
news:e77c150f-d532-4ff8...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
First rule of news stories: never assume anything from a story. That's
exactly what the writer is spending most of his effort trying to get you
to do. They haven't yet announced a driver and don't want to tell the
press who they're talking to. End of story.
Bob Dubery
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >This is a case of there being only one thing worse than being talked
> >about.
>
> Are sponsors really that stupid? Who would sign up on the basis of MS being
> there with out seeing a contract?
Memories are sometimes short. Brawn and Fry need to keep their team in
the public eye. And they need to create an impression that something
is happening, otherwise they will just be the guys that let the newly
crowned champion go.
That they're doing all of this is quite interesting. I wonder if Merc
aren't in this with a pretty restrictive budget. The report in Bild
said that they'd offered MS what they offered JB and that was because
Merc weren't actually able to pay any more.
Scouse git
Don't be so hard on yourself! ;-)
--
It wasn't me, I was in bed, at the movies...with my mates all night
David Melville
AC
On Dec 11, 8:51 pm, "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> "build" <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> I agree that the publicity angle is never far away with F1.
>
> Couple of things: why would MS come cheap, or is that a calculation based
> on
> returns,
>Yes.
Ok.
> and what do you mean by Nico being a "snag" and not a "prick"? I
> just don't understand "snag!!!
>SNAG = Sensitive New Age Guy.
Ah, OK. Gotcha.
>Have you seen his website?
>
No. Not sure I want to now.......
AC
AC
> >This is a case of there being only one thing worse than being talked
> >about.
>
> Are sponsors really that stupid? Who would sign up on the basis of MS
> being
> there with out seeing a contract?
>Memories are sometimes short. Brawn and Fry need to keep their team in
>the public eye. And they need to create an impression that something
>is happening, otherwise they will just be the guys that let the newly
>crowned champion go.
I honestly think in this day and age, sponsors must be smarter than that.
>
>That they're doing all of this is quite interesting. I wonder if Merc
>aren't in this with a pretty restrictive budget. The report in Bild
>said that they'd offered MS what they offered JB and that was because
>Merc weren't actually able to pay any more.
Hm. Could be. There was that stuff about some Merc board members being
annoyed at the purchase of Brawn.
AC
build
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18ec0d06-cf39-4b40...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 11, 11:55 am, "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >This is a case of there being only one thing worse than being talked
> > >about.
>
> > Are sponsors really that stupid? Who would sign up on the basis of MS
> > being
> > there with out seeing a contract?
> >Memories are sometimes short. Brawn and Fry need to keep their team in
> >the public eye. And they need to create an impression that something
> >is happening, otherwise they will just be the guys that let the newly
> >crowned champion go.
>
> I honestly think in this day and age, sponsors must be smarter than that.
They see a team capable of maximising media coverage ....
> >That they're doing all of this is quite interesting. I wonder if Merc
> >aren't in this with a pretty restrictive budget. The report in Bild
> >said that they'd offered MS what they offered JB and that was because
> >Merc weren't actually able to pay any more.
>
> Hm. Could be. There was that stuff about some Merc board members being
> annoyed at the purchase of Brawn.
>
> AC
I wonder if they will boycott the GP's in protest esp if MS is there,
lol.
beers,
build
> There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>
> Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>
> Michael Schumacher
> Jaques Villeneuve
> ???
>
> the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
>
> build
??? = Kubica
Makes a lot of sense once the light goes on, how could I be so stupid.
beers,
build
APLer
news:65934253-c64a-4cfa...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
Giday.
Nonsence. Nobody remembers everything all the time. I wonder about not
hearing *anything* about Robert's prospective teams next year at all.
Seems very strange to me. There are worse drivers that already have
drives. Maybe he's leaving F1 voluntarily and moving to better things.
KERS can do that I guess.
build
It's not the remembering although I can't remember to remember. It's
not being able to add 2 and 2 that gets me i.e. Kubica has a contract
with Renault and Renault is for sale, so said contract may be void and
Bitsa is available. I was also given a broad hint that wooshed past my
brain.
This AM we know only part of Renault has been sold so contract may be
binding. More free drawn out publicity for Fry.
beers,
build
Bigbird
> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:65934253-c64a-4cfa...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com
> :
>
> > On Dec 11, 1:28�pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> There's a Q&A with Fry at
> >> Autosport.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.
> > php/id/80511
> > >
> >> Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
> > >
> >> Michael Schumacher
> >> Jaques Villeneuve
> >> ???
> > >
> >> the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
> > >
> >> beers,
> >> build
> >
> > ??? = Kubica
> > Makes a lot of sense once the light goes on, how could I be so
> > stupid.
> >
> Giday.
>
> Nonsence. Nobody remembers everything all the time. I wonder about not
> hearing anything about Robert's prospective teams next year at all.
> Seems very strange to me. There are worse drivers that already have
> drives. Maybe he's leaving F1 voluntarily and moving to better things.
> KERS can do that I guess.
Kubica was reported as signing for Renault and was on the latest FIA F1
entry list for that team published back in November.
Renaults ownership changes have brought that deal into question.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39690
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
build
> Kubica was reported as signing for Renault and was on the latest FIA F1
> entry list for that team published back in November.
>
> Renaults ownership changes have brought that deal into question.http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39690
>
> --
> Bigbird
WOW !
You can read.
build
Bigbird
WOW !
You can drink beer and type at the same time.
You must be a genuine full time alcoholic. None of that performance
degrading part time binging for you.
build
> WOW !
> You can drink beer and type at the same time.
Nah, that I can't, but I can drink lotsa beer between key strokes.
:-)
beers,
APLer
news:213787f5-dea4-4a44...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
Now you know why I keep KFing the twit.
APLer
news:b8d72bf0-daa5-4831...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 17, 8:17�am, APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote:
>> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:65934253-c64a-4cfa-a90c-1625a1ab669
> 2...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
DOH! it must have been Heidfeld I was thinking of - or at least that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.<g>
build
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:59:21 -0800 (PST), build <bui...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I would not
> >ridicule the JV and MS options yet.
>
> This from the man who gave us "no way will Button move to McLaren".
> If either JV or MS drive for Mercedes next year I'll eat my bowler :)
> --
> Henry Birkin Bt.
G'day Henry,
Can I crow yet ;-)
I'm not as good at crowing (yet) as I am at eating hats so I need the
practice.
Is that Bowler a chocolate one?
I can recommend a source. Try Emma.
Just having a dig mate. I know most thought it silly at first but
logic such as the logic applied to JB at McLaren when applied made too
much sense but logic is, as always as fallible as JB's move.
As you've all read it is now a done deal subject to necks, some long,
some short and some sore. A bit like Brawn after round ten.
beers,
build
build
> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote innews:e68c0fed-3449-49eb...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.
> >http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>
> > Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>
> > Michael Schumacher
> > Jaques Villeneuve
> > ???
>
> > the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
>
> as well <g>.
But MS accepted his offer ;-)
Crowwwwwwwing, sorry, feel free to point out that a crow is a rather
big bird ;-)
beers,
build
build
> Bob Dubery wrote:
> > 2) The pairing of Rosberg and [take your pick from whoever is still
> > available] isn't convincing
Missed that Bob, can I dance around you going gnah, gnah? LOL.
> Rosberg is convincing now. He broke his front wing a lot during the
> first years, but he's matured. Paired with Heidfeld they'd be just as
> strong as Button-Barrichello were this year.
NR has put in some great drives this year and I was keen to see him
next to JB, NH would not have been competitive next to NR.
> Or with Schumi, for that matter, but I just can't find that credible.
> Besides, I think MS would have a hard time with Nico, unless Brawn
> gives Michael the same service he enjoyed at Ferrari.
I'm sort of happy to see MS in the team but I fear that the MS edge
may shade the less experienced NR after a few races. I don't think MS
will receive service as such but MS casts a bloody big shadow and it
will be hard for NR to come out of it.
> -Webs-
beers,
build
APLer
news:8aeaf0fa-cca5-4217...@w19g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 12, 3:48�am, APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote:
>> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:e68c0fed-3449-49eb-b4e2-bfaff8be18c
> e...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > There's a Q&A with Fry at Autosport.
>> >http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80511
>>
>> > Seems there are 3 or 4 drivers on the Brawn list.
>>
>> > Michael Schumacher
>> > Jaques Villeneuve
>> > ???
>>
>> > the "or 4", I reckon is Heidfeld.
>>
>> The latest news in in: They have given Fangio and and Jim Clark
>> offers as well <g>.
>
> But MS accepted his offer ;-)
He missed his chance to drive with Ferrari again all due to his neck. I
can *almost* see how much pain that caused him.
> Crowwwwwwwing, sorry, feel free to point out that a crow is a rather
> big bird ;-)
>
Not as big as a Falcon <g> - just saw "Love The Beast" for the first
time. Speed was good enough to show it, Now that NASCAR is done there's
room for the "other" stuff. We're getting British and German Touring Cars
every saturday Afternoon. BTW Donnington is on This weekend. Getting back
to the Movie, I love the bit where he talks about the two other drivers
coming out of the bush like aliens "Are you alright mate?" "You hurt at all?"
Bana: "Where did you come from?" "That's our car down at the bottom of the hill".
Chad
I love the way he describes it as the "campfire all my mates met around".
You can tell he *really* loves everything the car is and stands for.
The 'bogan' couple he met near the end with the ratty looking orange and
black (?) XB Falcon, who wouldn't sell it for ANYTHING, were cool too.
Those two bits really struck a chord with me about what being a petrol head
in Australia was like 30 years ago. An excuse for all the mates to come
together and an almost religous fanatism/comradarie between Ford and Holden
fans.
Love The Beast! :)
--
Chad
build
> APLer wrote:
> > Not as big as a Falcon <g> - just saw "Love The Beast" for the first
> > time. Speed was good enough to show it, Now that NASCAR is done
> > there's
> > room for the "other" stuff. We're getting British and German Touring
> > Cars
> > every saturday Afternoon. BTW Donnington is on This weekend. Getting
> > back
> > to the Movie, I love the bit where he talks about the two other
> > drivers
> > coming out of the bush like aliens "Are you alright mate?" "You hurt
> > at all?" Bana: "Where did you come from?" "That's our car down at the
> > bottom of the hill".
>
> I love the way he describes it as the "campfire all my mates met around".
> You can tell he *really* loves everything the car is and stands for.
"stands for"
I guess most young Aussies at that time had a campfire of some sort, I
reckon the nice bit is that he still has his and his mates.
> Love The Beast! :)
Great Doco.
> --
> Chad
beers,
build