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It looks like maybe Charles took one for the team.
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Alan
Jul 26, 2022, 12:15:46 AM7/26/22
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I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was
spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you
would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race show...
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was
contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just
frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire
barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say.
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG
before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear
is leaving dark black rubber marks.
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was
spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you
would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race show...
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was
contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just
frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire
barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say.
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG
before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear
is leaving dark black rubber marks.
Matt Larkin
Jul 26, 2022, 5:38:11 AM7/26/22
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reputation for absence of reliability issues.
Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you crack
under pressure or anything like that".
Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that he
was blaming himself for?
Alan
Jul 26, 2022, 11:23:53 AM7/26/22
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...but it's so early in the corner that it seems unlikely.
I'm going to try to find a lap of someone's in-car camera that includes
that data overlay to see where drivers normally go to throttle in that
corner, and I expect to see that it's seconds later than those marks appear.
Alan
Jul 26, 2022, 12:25:51 PM7/26/22
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to find an in-car shot showing the data overlay), and found one of Lewis
Hamilton (start from about 14:12 in the video on F1TV), and you can
clearly see that at the same point in the corner where Leclerc's rear
tire is spinning up, Hamilton isn't near full throttle.
Hamilton only goes to full throttle just as he touches the second apex
of La Bosse.
At the same point in the corner where Leclerc's problems began, he's
using what we call "maintenance" throttle, and sure, he's even varying
the throttle to point the car a little...
...but that points up this:
'[Binotto said:] “There was a damper which was slightly sticky. Not more
than that. And we already put in place some actions to avoid it for the
future.”'
Well imagine if you're playing the throttle up and down to steer the car
in the mid-corner phase...
...and the damper was slightly sticky AGAIN.
Leclerc could have added throttle to get the attitude of the car where
he wanted it... ...and if the damper was sticky, he might not have been
able to reduce throttle quickly enough.
I have no way of know for sure, but it seems very much like Leclerc is
in a phase of the corner where there is no chance he'd be adding enough
throttle to light up the rear tires. This is an F1 driver with many,
many laps of that track, and by this point, he knows where you can add
throttle, and if you're pushing a little you might apply it a few tenths
of a second early...
...but not more than 2 SECONDS early.
texas gate
Jul 26, 2022, 9:03:35 PM7/26/22
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just like you.
texas gate
Jul 26, 2022, 9:05:03 PM7/26/22
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texas gate
Jul 26, 2022, 9:08:20 PM7/26/22
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On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
Like fuck you were.
You have no fucking friends.
Unless he is as dumb as you are.
Alan LeHun
Jul 27, 2022, 12:52:35 AM7/27/22
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In article <863e3bcb-e3a2-4335...@googlegroups.com>,
matthew...@gmail.com says...
were saying "We don't want draw the scrutineers attention to our new
super secret throttle development"
--
Alan LeHun
matthew...@gmail.com says...
> Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
> him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
> blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you crack
> under pressure or anything like that".
>
Indeed. But maybe it wasn't blushes they were trying to save. Maybe they
> him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
> blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you crack
> under pressure or anything like that".
>
were saying "We don't want draw the scrutineers attention to our new
super secret throttle development"
--
Alan LeHun
texas gate
Jul 27, 2022, 1:39:13 AM7/27/22
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On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
oh fuck off.
is he banned from the local track like you are?
texas gate
Jul 27, 2022, 1:43:40 AM7/27/22
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On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> But Keith
Keith?
Too much info.
You sick asshole.
texas gate
Jul 27, 2022, 1:50:45 AM7/27/22
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On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> But Keith
you seem to be pretty proud you have a friend called Keith.
> But Keith
he cannot be that smart.
hanging out with dumb cunt like you.
texas gate
Jul 27, 2022, 2:01:09 AM7/27/22
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On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> But Keith
yup. good ol' Keith.
> But Keith
Got run over by a float during pride month.
His leg is fucked.
But alan trimming his toe nails
and sucking his dick.
Bigbird
Jul 27, 2022, 4:50:15 AM7/27/22
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Matt Larkin wrote:
> I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari
> have a reputation for absence of reliability issues.
>
> Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
> him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
> blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you
> crack under pressure or anything like that".
>
> Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that
> he was blaming himself for?
Some people just love a conspiracy.
> I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari
> have a reputation for absence of reliability issues.
>
> Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
> him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
> blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you
> crack under pressure or anything like that".
>
> Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that
> he was blaming himself for?
Given the responses after the race I'm inclined to think there is
nothing more to see here.
--
Bozo Bin
Alan Baker
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