Your thoughts on the '22 F1 season as a whole?

[XYXPDQ]

What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

[XYXPDQ]

The biggest disappointment to me has to be Merc showing up with a car that not only wasn't competitive but seemingly wanted to break its drivers back. This robbed the fans of the Lewis vs. Max season everyone expected.

[a425couple]

On 11/20/22 13:41, XYXPDQ wrote:
> What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

I think it was a pretty good season overall.
Quite a bit of passing done by racing on the track.
5 different winning drivers, done in 3 different makes of car.

Although it was less than ideal, that after starting very strongly
(2 wins in first 3 races), Ferrari faded in the last half.
But they were very often a 'threat' to Red Bull.
And Mercedes was close enough to always be a threat.

Also the mid-field was interesting with Alpine in the end beating
McLaren. And even the last of the 10 teams, Williams was faster
than expected, and earned points 5 times.


see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Formula_One_World_Championship

[RzR]

On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

[News]

Laughing at Toto is more like it.

Only question: Does he get the boot?

[Dan the Man]

My guess is Wolff gets another shot at it after so many past titles, but it depends on how well he gets along with his superiors at Merc.

Dan

[RzR]

why, because he won 8 championships in the row? then lost 1 :)

[XYXPDQ]

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

On the up side the F1 poo throwers actually made an aero/tire package that worked. For the first time in many many years the following car can stay close without destroying the front tires of frying it's brakes. Now if they'd just shrink the cars and put them on a diet so two cars can race thru a corner without one or both being forced past the white line.

[News]

Agree on bloviated F1 car dimensions, and need for a formula diet, but
not due to track width, except at Monaco. Racing room is a driver issue.

[XYXPDQ]

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:

> What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

Ferrari getting it mostly right isn't exactly a surprise but at least it kept Red Bull from falling asleep.

And what's with Alpine, they build the power unit and the car but they continue to preform like a mid level customer team; the shocker at this point would be them doing better.

Hass spent no money on the '21 car so they could get the '22 car ready. Did they spend the entire budget before the first race because they started out ok and then drifted right to the back.

[Alan]

In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?

There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.

The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the cars
to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.

Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.

[Alan]

Changing the weight and size of the cars won't change that at all.

A lighter, and/or narrower car will simply mean the driver goes harder
into the corner to begin with.

[texas gate]

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:11:23 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Changing the weight and size of the cars won't change that at all.
>
> A lighter, and/or narrower car will simply mean the driver goes harder
> into the corner to begin with.

what a crock of shit
fuck off back to rec.sport.golf
you dim cunt

[RzR]

On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
>> On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>   What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
>>> impressed or disapointed?
>>
>> SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
>> Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.
>
> In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?
>

they won too much, no?

> There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.
>

I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

> The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the cars
> to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.
>

That they did

> Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.

Exactly :)

[Alan]

On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
> On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
>>> On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>   What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
>>>> impressed or disapointed?
>>>
>>> SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
>>> Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.
>>
>> In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?
>>
>
> they won too much, no?

No.

>
>> There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.
>>
>
> I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

With absolutely no evidence.

>
>> The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the
>> cars to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.
>>
>
> That they did
>
>> Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.
>
> Exactly :)

You just have no evidence at all that there was any attempt to
"dethrone" anyone.

Got it.

[texas gate]

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:14:24 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Got it.

you aint got fuck all
except a shit existence

fuck off back to rec.sport.golf

you trolling fucking idiot

[RzR]

On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
>> On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
>>>> On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>   What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
>>>>> impressed or disapointed?
>>>>
>>>> SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
>>>> Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.
>>>
>>> In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?
>>>
>>
>> they won too much, no?
>
> No.
>
>>
>>> There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.
>>>
>>
>> I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier
>
> With absolutely no evidence.
>

LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it
was not legit for sure up until now.

[Alan]

I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
know they actually cannot be certain.

There's another word for it:

Lying.

[texas gate]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:25:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> There's another word for it:
>
> Lying.

here is word for you: Loser

[texas gate]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:25:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
> know they actually cannot be certain.

you also love gay sex

[RzR]

Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
need to wake up...

[texas gate]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:10:04 PM UTC-7, RzR wrote:

> You really
> need to wake up...

look in the mirror stupid

[Alan]

Let's see the quote...

...and the source.

[RzR]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/

[RzR]

On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/cost-cap-teeth-cost-title-brawn-2021/4590108/

calling him toothless Brawn now :)))

[Mark]

Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour
you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
what you are saying is untrue.

You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

(Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

[Alan]

And your dishonesty is exposed...

...by the parts you chose to omit:

'So the sanctions for breaching financial regulations will be sporting
penalties of some sort, depending on the severity of the breach.'

"DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE BREACH"

He literally never said anything as explicit as simply breaking the
budget under any circumstance would cost you a championship.

What he said was:

'If you fraudulently breach the financial regulations, you will be
losing your championship.'

"FRAUDULENTLY"

[Alan]

I'm sorry, but I disagree.

When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
actually be certain about...

...that's lying.

[XYXPDQ]

> > ...and the source.
> https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/

Accounts deciding championships, how is this still racing?

[News]

A book-cooking competition

[texas gate]

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:30:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I disagree.

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

[geoff]

No, wrong (yet again).

When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW is untrue.

...that's lying.

geoff

[Alan]

Wrong.

How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
cannot be certain?

[geoff]

That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.

geoff

[Alan]

Nope.

The lie is in expressing as certain something you KNOW you CANNOT be
certain about.

[RzR]

no shit...no wonder they immediately started talking about the catering
overspending...not even a 5 year old kids would believe this...

[Alan]

Don't compound your bullshit with more bullshit...

[Mark]

You can't know (for certain) the state of someone's mind. You can't know
that they are "pretending" rather than "wrong", only *they* know that.
If they are deliberately presenting certainty when they know they are
uncertain, you could call it lying but I think it's more a case of
unfounded confidence. It's a well known behaviour and whether you look
to Aristotle's comment "The more you know, the more you realise you
don't know" or the more modern examination of the Dunning-Kruger effect,
few would characterise it as "lying" more as not knowing enough to know
you're wrong.

To *lie* is (by definition) a deliberate act to present a falsehood as
fact. To prove a lie is hard - really hard - as it normally involves
being able to know the other's mind. If you can find a smoking gun (a
separate conversation where they admit their mind: "I really put one
over on Alan by making up those figures"), you can do it...otherwise
it's a value judgement.

So, I go back to my original response. You *can* "speak with certainty
about things about which they know they actually cannot be certain." and
not "lie". Your second version (which is different!) I still disagree
with because it requires knowledge on the other's part which
(ironically) *they* can't be certain of*.

* In most cases.

Anyway, pointless discussion so I'll end that bit.

My main point is that using inflammatory language like "you are a liar"
or "you are lying" is always likely to create more heat than light
compared with "I think you were wrong, and here's why...". Unless
someone intends to inflame the situation, such words should (IMO) be
avoided.

(What am I saying? This is on the Internet which is founded on flame
wars)

[Mark]

Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-30 19:31, geoff wrote:

>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
>>> cannot be certain?
>>>
>>
>> That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.
>
> Nope.
>
> The lie is in expressing as certain something you KNOW you CANNOT be
> certain about.

OED:
An act or instance of lying; a false statement made with intent
to deceive

To lie, you have to be *intentionally* passing a falsehood. You
therefore need:

- To know what you are saying is false (not that you're simply
uncertain)
- To be saying it with the intent to pass it as true
- To intend to mislead the other person

Being wrong (or uncertain you're right) is not sufficient for it to be
a lie.

[keithr0]

This is Usenet, any post that contradicts your own position has to be a
lie :)

[XYXPDQ]

> This is Usenet, any post that contradicts your own position has to be a
> lie :)

And be completely off topic.