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**2012 Pool** Race 04, Bahrain GP

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Mark

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Apr 10, 2012, 7:06:21 AM4/10/12
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Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
the cutoff is start of practice.

Pole position:

P1:
P2:
P3:

There is a web page here where you can see the points/predictions as
they stand as well as looking at past competitions/scoring systems:

http://www.conmy.co.uk/f1/f1.cgi

Track (Bahrain) 20/04/2012 10:00 AST
West Coast USA 20/04/2012 00:00 PDT
East Coast USA 20/04/2012 03:00 EDT
Ireland/Portugal/UK 20/04/2012 08:00 BST
Central Europe 20/04/2012 09:00 CEST
Most of Arabia 20/04/2012 10:00 AST
Russia/Oman/UAE 20/04/2012 11:00 GST
China 20/04/2012 15:00 CST
Japan/Korea 20/04/2012 16:00 JST

Richard Miller

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Apr 10, 2012, 7:07:59 AM4/10/12
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(Only posing as Richard so my program captures this entry automatically)

Bahrain (if it happens)

Pole: Raikonnen

1. Raikonnen
2. Button
3. Hamilton

build

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Apr 10, 2012, 7:36:05 AM4/10/12
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How much do Renault need to find to get pole?

beers,

ric zito

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Apr 10, 2012, 3:10:29 PM4/10/12
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Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Hamilton
P2: Button
P3: Webber


--
riczito at gmail dot com

Percy Flage

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Apr 10, 2012, 3:35:35 PM4/10/12
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On 10/04/2012 12:06, Mark wrote:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Hamilton
P2: Vettel
P3: Button

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

Duesenberg

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Apr 10, 2012, 9:50:40 PM4/10/12
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On 4/10/2012 7:06 AM, Mark wrote:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
> Pole position:
>
> P1:
> P2:
> P3:
>

Pole: Button

P1: Button
P2: Alonso
P3: Hamilton

~misfit~

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Apr 11, 2012, 7:52:40 PM4/11/12
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Wot no New Zealand or Australia? I think we have more posters from
Australasia than we do from Arabia, Russia, Oman, UAE, China, Japan or
Korea.

I can see the value of the other time zones being included there as we have
posters in those areas. <shrug>
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)


Mark

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Apr 11, 2012, 7:56:12 PM4/11/12
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Okay, I'll add them in. It's automated. How many (and which) timezones
would you like?

Mark

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Apr 11, 2012, 8:26:31 PM4/11/12
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Perth 20/04/2012 15:00 WST
Adelaide 20/04/2012 16:30 CST
Melbourne 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
Canberra 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
Sydney 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
New Zealand 20/04/2012 19:00 NZST

Happier?

;-)

~misfit~

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Apr 11, 2012, 10:17:17 PM4/11/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mark wrote:
Much, thank you.

S'funny, I could/can work out the volume / amount of wine of huge tanks when
I worked in wineries and know how much additive to put in the tank if the
winemaker wanted 30ppm added, in less than a minute (faster than the other
winery workers could do it with a calculator). However when it comes to time
zones I just have a mental block. <shrug>

(Although for Aus you only need A-EST, A-CST and A-WST. No need for three
rows for the same time zone. ;-] )

Frank Adam

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Apr 11, 2012, 10:23:28 PM4/11/12
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WTF ? No Alice or Darwin ? Not even Wagga Wagga !?
;)

--

Regards, Frank

Mark

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Apr 12, 2012, 2:56:53 AM4/12/12
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~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mark wrote:
>>
>> Track (Bahrain) 20/04/2012 10:00 AST
>> Japan/Korea 20/04/2012 16:00 JST
>> Perth 20/04/2012 15:00 WST
>> Adelaide 20/04/2012 16:30 CST
>> Melbourne 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
>> Canberra 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
>> Sydney 20/04/2012 17:00 EST
>> New Zealand 20/04/2012 19:00 NZST
>>
>> Happier?
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Much, thank you.
>
> S'funny, I could/can work out the volume / amount of wine of huge tanks when
> I worked in wineries and know how much additive to put in the tank if the
> winemaker wanted 30ppm added, in less than a minute (faster than the other
> winery workers could do it with a calculator). However when it comes to time
> zones I just have a mental block. <shrug>
>
> (Although for Aus you only need A-EST, A-CST and A-WST. No need for three
> rows for the same time zone. ;-] )

Ahem. I'm sure you realise there was the teensiest amount of
leg-pulling involved. ;-)

Mark

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Apr 12, 2012, 3:01:32 AM4/12/12
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I know. I even missed out Ballina!

build

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Apr 12, 2012, 3:10:16 AM4/12/12
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On Apr 12, 4:56 pm, Mark <mpco...@gmail.com> wrote:
Surely not old chap, this is serious business, we must inform the
uniformed masses ... surely.

;-)

doubt Shaun missed that point

beers,

Mark

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Apr 12, 2012, 4:07:32 AM4/12/12
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I know. *That* time I _wasn't_ being sarcastic. ;-)

~misfit~

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Apr 13, 2012, 4:07:49 AM4/13/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mark wrote:
<g> Good, 'cause I *hate* being wooshed. ;-)

Bobster

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Apr 15, 2012, 8:32:17 AM4/15/12
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Pole: Rosberg

P1: Hamilton
P2: Rosberg
P3: Schumacher

AC

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Apr 15, 2012, 9:09:56 AM4/15/12
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Mark wrote:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
> Pole position: Hamilton
>
> P1: Hamilton
> P2: Button
> P3: Kimi



--
AC

Hornplayer9599

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Apr 15, 2012, 11:47:00 AM4/15/12
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Mark wrote:

> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>

Pole: Rossberg

P1: Button
P2: Rossberg
P3: Webber



--
What's considered psychotic behavior anywhere else is company policy
here.

--The Management

Frank Adam

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Apr 15, 2012, 8:56:33 PM4/15/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:06:21 +0000 (UTC), Mark <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Button
P2: Webber
P3: Hamilton

--

Regards, Frank

larkim

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Apr 16, 2012, 5:01:53 AM4/16/12
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Pole: Rosberg
P1: Jenson
P2: Rosberg
P3: Hamilton

Bobster

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Apr 16, 2012, 5:11:01 AM4/16/12
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Nah... Changed my mind.

Pole: Rosberg
P1: Hamilton
P2: Button
P3: Vettel

build

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Apr 16, 2012, 5:58:08 AM4/16/12
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At this time I'd agree, sort of, Pole between Hamilton and Rosberg
with Schumacher a possible, sooner or later Michael will do one of his
laps and he has the car. MS will have a pole this year.

As for the race, I need to see practice but a Redbull podium is
unlikely presuming we had two healthy Macca's and two healthy Mercs.
*And* I'd go for Webber as Whitmarsh is no fool, he has seen that Mark
has been turned loose. It's like Andretti and Petersen, Andretti was
good but Petersen was faster.

Oh, an after thought. In race trim the Renault is very fast, as fast
over a race distance as anyone with a very slight caveat on Macca and
Merc (if Merc hit the tyres correctly). So potentially if they do not
stuff up strategy perhaps Kimi can take a podium? After Spain I reckon
they will struggle in development but now??? I'd go so far as to say
that if Alonso was in the Renault he would have had a podium.

Shame Renault missed the best opportunity they had of making hay. And
same for Macca as Redbull is now firmly aiming at Merc as well as
Macca and Spain will show how much they have progressed. This is going
to be a great season on every front.

beers,



Sir Tim

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Apr 16, 2012, 7:12:26 AM4/16/12
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Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Hamilton
P2: Button
P3: Rosberg

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

build

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Apr 16, 2012, 7:22:52 AM4/16/12
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I should have added that the tyre selection had a big influence on the
results. If Pirelli had chosen the soft and hard as per 2011, the
result *would* have been different. So look carefully at tyres.

beers,

Bobster

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Apr 16, 2012, 7:48:50 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 11:58 am, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As for the race, I need to see practice but a Redbull podium is
> unlikely presuming we had two healthy Macca's and two healthy Mercs.
> *And* I'd go for Webber as Whitmarsh is no fool, he has seen that Mark
> has been turned loose. It's like Andretti and Petersen, Andretti was
> good but Petersen was faster.
"Turned loose" hey? Seb did better in Oz, was doing better in Malaysia
until a cucumber got in his way. Webber has one race where he does
better, with newer bits on his car and a different strategy and now
he's been "turned loose"?

Andretti and Petersen was not a similar situation, at least to the one
that you imagine. For a start Petersen couldn't set a car up for
toffees. Fittipaldi was frequently annoyed in '73. Petersen would be
farting around in practice whilst Emmo worked systematically to set
the car up. Then towards the end of quallies Petersen would ask for
Emmo's set up and then bang his fast laps in.

If Webber has been "turned loose" then why is he still losing places
at the start?

build

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Apr 16, 2012, 8:00:22 AM4/16/12
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Who did most or perhaps even all the testing with Lotus?

Same at Redbull, who chose the faster setup?

beers,

Bobster

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Apr 16, 2012, 8:29:16 AM4/16/12
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When? In Andretti/Petersen era it had been Andretti - which Petersen
happily acknowledged. Andretti had been with Lotus since '76 and had
done a good job with testing and developing - especially in that first
year.

In '73 Fittipaldi would have had 3 and a bit years experience with the
Lotus 72, and won a championship with it. And see my comments above -
in '73 it was Fittipaldi who used to figure out the good race set up,
and Ronnie would often take Emmo's setup after he'd got nowhere by his
own methods.
>
> Same at Redbull, who chose the faster setup?
Webber. ONCE. Starting from a better grid position. And he caught
Vettel at the end when Seb's tyres went over the edge. So it's not
clear what made the difference on the day - the set up, the drive or
the strategy.

Berger would beat Senna on occasion, but who would you have put your
money on for a season?

Mark Jackson

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Apr 17, 2012, 8:27:32 AM4/17/12
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Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Hamilton
P2: Button
P3: Webber

--
Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
When I was young and naïve, I believed that important people
took positions based on careful consideration of the options.
Now I know better. - Paul Krugman

~misfit~

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Apr 18, 2012, 4:19:38 AM4/18/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs build wrote:
[snip]
> At this time I'd agree, sort of, Pole between Hamilton and Rosberg
> with Schumacher a possible, sooner or later Michael will do one of his
> laps and he has the car. MS will have a pole this year.

He better make it soon, I reckon the Mercs might lose that qually edge in
the near future.

> As for the race, I need to see practice but a Redbull podium is
> unlikely presuming we had two healthy Macca's and two healthy Mercs.
> *And* I'd go for Webber as Whitmarsh is no fool, he has seen that Mark
> has been turned loose.
[snip]

Yep, the races so far this season have answered the niggling question I had
about why Mark had re-signed with RBR. OK, the money's got to be good but
he's a racer and he clearly wasn't happy with the way RBR was run
previously. I wouldn't have blamed him for staying on just for the payday
but that really doesn't seem like his style. It looked like he spent the
most part of the last two years pretty pissed off and I couldn't understand
why he'd stick around for more of that treatment. I figured that he might
have walked away rather than have that situation carry on so was a little
curious when I heard that he'd re-signed.

I'm thinking that perhaps RBR thought that, now that Seb's got two WDCs
under his belt and seems to have grown up a lot that he could run with Mark
on an equal footing. Seb might be fast but I think RBR needed to keep an
experienced driver in the team for set-up purposes on Fridays and Saturdays.
I mean, perfect example was the last GP - the drivers were given upgrades
but Seb couldn't come to grips with it and so stuck with the old setup - and
had a slower car.

Mark seems a lot happier in interviews this year, a *lot* happier. He was
almost dancing when he was talking with the BBC crew after the Chinese GP.
That's a huge difference to previous years when he was just (gruffly) being
polite on the way to the motor-home. It's good to see and I hope that it
lasts because I reckon RBR are renegging a bit, those clutch bite-points
look like they're still set wrong. ;-)

~misfit~

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Apr 18, 2012, 4:22:03 AM4/18/12
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Pole: Hamilton

P1: Button
P2: Webber
P3: Hamilton

Cheers,

down_hill

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:17:49 AM4/18/12
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Pole Ham

P1: But
P2: Ham
P3: Ros


Last weekend at VIR tried to wake up to watch race but woke at at 5am
and put on speed there was Rosberg spilling pop I figured it was a dream
went back to sleep. This weekend SCCA national in New Hampshire do they
have a different time zone, it should it is a different world.

Sreekumar A

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:26:57 AM4/18/12
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On 4/10/2012 4:36 PM, Mark wrote:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
> Pole position: Lewis
>
> P1: Lewis
> P2: Button
> P3: Vettel
>

Sreekumar

Francisco

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:32:58 AM4/18/12
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On 10/04/2012 12:06, Mark wrote:
Pole position: Schumacher

P1: Hamilton
P2: Vettel
P3: Schumacher

Peter

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:55:14 AM4/18/12
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pole: Hamilton
p1: Hamilton
p2: Button
p3: Vettel

-peter

FB

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Apr 18, 2012, 11:42:48 AM4/18/12
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> Pole position: ROS
>
> P1: ROS
> P2: SCH
> P3: RAI
>

FB


Mark

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Apr 18, 2012, 12:35:50 PM4/18/12
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Mark <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
> Pole position:
>
> P1:
> P2:
> P3:
>
> There is a web page here where you can see the points/predictions as
> they stand as well as looking at past competitions/scoring systems:
>
> http://www.conmy.co.uk/f1/f1.cgi

With just over a 36 hours to go to P1, we have:

Entrant Pole 1 2 3
Richard Miller RAI RAI BUT HAM
ric zito HAM HAM BUT WEB
Percy Flage HAM HAM VET BUT
Duesenberg BUT BUT ALO HAM
Bobster ROS HAM BUT VET
AC HAM HAM BUT RAI
Hornplayer9599 ROS BUT ROS WEB
Frank Adam HAM BUT WEB HAM
larkim ROS BUT ROS HAM
Sir Tim HAM HAM BUT ROS
Mark Jackson HAM HAM BUT WEB
~misfit~ HAM BUT WEB HAM
down_hill HAM BUT HAM ROS
Sreekumar A HAM HAM BUT VET
Francisco SCH HAM VET SCH
Peter HAM HAM BUT VET
FB ROS ROS SCH RAI

Regulars without a prediction include:

CatharticF1
Jakub Barbasz
Ed Beroset
Phil Carmody
EB5AGV (who missed last round)
Me (for shame)
Mower Man
David Melville
Terry Fields
News
Roman Figaj
John
ceg
johnh
Claude
mairsz
Brad
WebSlave
Joseph Jay Boulas

Lots of time yet, but don't leave it too late!

johnh

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Apr 18, 2012, 1:50:27 PM4/18/12
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Posting for johnh...

Pole position: HAM

P1: HAM
P2: BUT
P3: SCH

John

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:10:22 PM4/18/12
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Posting for "John"...

Pole position: ALO

P1: HAM
P2: ALO
P3: PER

Mower Man

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:39:13 PM4/18/12
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Pole: Hamilton
P1: Schumacher
P2: Hamilton
P3: Rosberg
--
Chris

'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'

(Oscar Wilde.)

News

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:46:36 PM4/18/12
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Pole: Alonso

P1: Alonso
P2: Button
P3: Hamilton

---

Summary: Track temp gets heat into Alonso's tires, too warm for the
Mercs' sweet spot, but not enough to toast the Maccas.

CatharticF1

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Apr 18, 2012, 7:25:26 PM4/18/12
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> Pole position: Hamilton
>
> P1: Hamilton
> P2: Button
> P3: Rosberg

Qbab (Jakub Barbasz)

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Apr 19, 2012, 2:09:45 AM4/19/12
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W dniu 4/18/12 6:35 PM, Mark pisze:

> [...]
> Lots of time yet, but don't leave it too late!

ok.

pole: Rosberg

1. Button
2. Schumacher
3. Raikkonen

Qbab (Jakub Barbasz)

EB5AGV

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Apr 19, 2012, 7:29:29 AM4/19/12
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After a lost chance on last GP, due to a trip (I don't mean that I was going to guess Rossberg ;-) ), here you have my prediction:

Pole position: Hamilton

P1: Alonso
P2: Button
P3: Vettel

JOSE

Roman Figaj

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Apr 19, 2012, 8:08:45 AM4/19/12
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Mark <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
Pole position: Hamilton
>
P1: Button
P2: Hamilton
P3: Vettel

Cheers
Roman
--
lay down all thoughts surrender to the void

WebSlave

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Apr 19, 2012, 10:50:10 AM4/19/12
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Mark wrote:

> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before
> the start of P1 on 20/04/2012.  Times for various timezones
> appear below, but the cutoff is start of practice.

Pole position: Rosberg

P1: Button
P2: Hamilton
P3: Rosberg

-Webs-

Phil Carmody

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:07:39 PM4/19/12
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Mark <mpc...@gmail.com> writes:
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.

Pole position: HAM

P1: BUT
P2: ROS
P3: HAM

Phil
--
> I'd argue that there is much evidence for the existence of a God.
Pics or it didn't happen.
-- Tom (/. uid 822)

ceg

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:37:49 PM4/19/12
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Posting for ceg...

Pole position: ROS

P1: SCH
P2: ROS
P3: BUT

Mark

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:57:18 PM4/19/12
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Pole position: HAM

P1: HAM
P2: BUT
P3: VET

Mark

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:06:27 PM4/19/12
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Mark <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Regulars without a prediction include:
>
> Ed Beroset
> Ar
> David Melville
> Terry Fields
> Claude
> mairsz
> Brad
> Joseph Jay Boulas

News

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:33:48 PM4/19/12
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A word to the wise, etc., etc. ...
Message has been deleted

Ar

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Apr 19, 2012, 6:24:38 PM4/19/12
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On 10/04/12 12:06, Mark wrote:

I didn't see it post successfully the first time, so hopefully this posts...

Pole: Lewis Hamilton
P1: Jenson Button
P2: Mark Webber
P3: Michael Schumacher

Ed Beroset

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Apr 19, 2012, 10:24:21 PM4/19/12
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Pole: HAM

P1: HAM
P2: ALO
P3: GRO

Hey, it could happen!

Ed

Claude

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:54:01 AM4/20/12
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Pole: Hamilton

P1: Webber
P2: Button
P3: Hamilton







"Mark" <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jm147d$mg7$4...@dont-email.me...
> Please post your predictions for the GP in Bahrain before the start
> of P1 on 20/04/2012. Times for various timezones appear below, but
> the cutoff is start of practice.
>
> Pole position:
>
> P1:
> P2:
> P3:
>
> There is a web page here where you can see the points/predictions as
> they stand as well as looking at past competitions/scoring systems:
>
> http://www.conmy.co.uk/f1/f1.cgi
>
> Track (Bahrain) 20/04/2012 10:00 AST
> West Coast USA 20/04/2012 00:00 PDT
> East Coast USA 20/04/2012 03:00 EDT
> Ireland/Portugal/UK 20/04/2012 08:00 BST
> Central Europe 20/04/2012 09:00 CEST
> Most of Arabia 20/04/2012 10:00 AST
> Russia/Oman/UAE 20/04/2012 11:00 GST
> China 20/04/2012 15:00 CST
> Japan/Korea 20/04/2012 16:00 JST


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