Which was the coldest Grand Prix ever?
Sven Baumer
We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
banners last year?).
And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
Sven.
(dreaming of a small sunny island)
Lucy Laws
<oiemtd5...@theory.informatik.uni-ulm.de>...
>
> We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> banners last year?).
>
> And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
Dunno the answers to these questions - but it was bloody cold and *snowing*
at Brands when the rasf1 crew got together in April this year. The F1
engines were definitely not happy about running so cold.
> Sven.
> (dreaming of a small sunny island)
If you only dream *small*, then the wedding is off. Sorry. (And what would
we do with all the chocolate if it was hot, anyway - it would melt!)
Next!
Lucy
6 days to go!
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Sven Baumer
> > Sven.
> > (dreaming of a small sunny island)
>
> If you only dream *small*, then the wedding is off. Sorry. (And what would
> we do with all the chocolate if it was hot, anyway - it would melt!)
you know, there are at least two things one can do with melted
chocolate. I like both of them.
> Next!
you sure are picky!
Sven.
(now dreaming of a big sunny but not too hot luxury island with a huge
fridge full of sweets and other tasty food)
PS: you still haven't made up your mind if you want to be remembered
as "sensible" or as "warrior princess"? ;-)
Richard Harding
baking at 40deg C at France (Ricard) in 1987.
rh
Sven Baumer wrote:
>
> We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> banners last year?).
>
> And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
>
Enda Cully
> And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
I don't know what the temperature was, but I think Dallas 1984 was one
of the hottest Grands Prix of the last twenty years. Anybody care to
confirm/contradict?
Enda.
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Emma
>Sven Baumer <sba...@informatik.uni-ulm.de> wrote in article
>>
>> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
>at Brands when the rasf1 crew got together in April this year. The F1
>engines were definitely not happy about running so cold.
Would Goodyear and Bridgestone have to invent some snow tyres?
Would snow landing on the rear wings help downforce?
What would Bernie say to the posh people when their champagne froze
over?
Would they need to grit the track to get rid of black ice?
So many questions!
>> (dreaming of a small sunny island)
>If you only dream *small*, then the wedding is off. Sorry. (And what would
>we do with all the chocolate if it was hot, anyway - it would melt!)
You could always make it into body paint...just an idea... ;-)
--
Emma
We must have courage, faith & hot chocolate fudge cake!
(With ice cream - preferably chocolate)
Al Fox
<sba...@informatik.uni-ulm.de> wrote:
>
>We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
>in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
>Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
>chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
>banners last year?).
>
>And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
>
>
>Sven.
>(dreaming of a small sunny island)
>
I don't know if it was the coldest GP ever, but I was at the 1980 USGP
at Watkins Glen (the last REAL US Grand Prix) and froze my A** off. I
was crewing for a Super Vee team and I remember it was about 37 deg F.
(3 deg. C) when we took to the grid that morning's race. As I recall,
it didn't warm up much for the GP race later that day.
-Al
Lucy Laws
> "Lucy Laws" <La...@marbles.logica.com> writes:
>
>
> > > Sven.
> > > (dreaming of a small sunny island)
> >
would
> > we do with all the chocolate if it was hot, anyway - it would melt!)
>
> chocolate. I like both of them.
Eat it or....?
> > Next!
>
> you sure are picky!
Not picky, just well aware of just how worthy a man must be for me to even
*think* about considering him as a suitor. I have *standards* after all,
Sven. :-)
> Sven.
> (now dreaming of a big sunny but not too hot luxury island with a huge
> fridge full of sweets and other tasty food)
That's better. Now you're talking!
> PS: you still haven't made up your mind if you want to be remembered
> as "sensible" or as "warrior princess"? ;-)
How about twiglet-loving-Mr-Whippy-van-driving princess?
Lucy
6 days to go! (Unless you cough up the dough!)
John B. Rees
Montreal because they decided that Montreal wasn't COLD ENOUGH in early
June, they'd go ahead and move in to May. May in Montreal can be truly
glorious, but it can also be like being above the friggin Arctic circle.
:-)
On 15 Sep 1998, Lucy Laws wrote:
>Dunno the answers to these questions - but it was bloody cold and *snowing*
>at Brands when the rasf1 crew got together in April this year. The F1
>engines were definitely not happy about running so cold.
From: John B. Rees
jr...@best.com
http://www.best.com/~jrees/jrees/
David Betts
>
>We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
>in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
Dunno, but I do remember Ronnie Peterson spinning during a snow flurry at
Becketts in the non-championship Daily Express Trophy at Silverstone in
1973 (I think).
David Betts
'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops'
Mike Wells
Sven Baumer wrote in message ...
>
>We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
>in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
>chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
>banners last year?).
>
>And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
>
>
>(dreaming of a small sunny island)
>
>
You've come to the right place! I'm not totally certain about the actual
temperature but the old Canadian grand prix used to be held in the fall and
in some years it was actually snowing during the event. So it had to be
bordering around 0 Celsius and with a stiff wind, it's pretty cold for that
time of the year.
Dallas GP '91, I think is the hottest on record. 90+F!
Sys Admin
>
> We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> banners last year?).
>
> And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
>
>
> Sven.
> (dreaming of a small sunny island)
>
The Canadian GP when it was held in Oct (77 Mosport ,78 Montreal) was
bloody cold. I'm pretty sure that it was moved to June/July because of the
weather.
I remember hearing that the Argentine GP in 1955 was very very hot. The
drivers back then were sitting behind the engines and most teammates took
turns driving the car. Fangio ran the whole race himself taking the win as
he was not affected by the heat like the Europeans were.
Watching "Legends of Motorsport - Racing in the Fifties" on Speedvision has
it's benefits.
Alan
Mats Furucrona
> We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> banners last year?).
What ? Are we going to have to take the snow chains for the bus with us
? I know that sunny weather and +20 C temperatures are unlikely, but
SNOW? What have I got myself into ? (Luxemburgs GP will be the first F1
race I watch live). Let's see now, where did I stash the superwarm
underwear ?
On a more serious note, I'm really looking forward to it since it's
going to be weekend long event - flanked by 24 hrs coach journeys.
On the Nurburgring website there's a track layout showing multiple large
TV screens so I guess there's not much use for binoculars ?
(Our seats are in stand T16)
Mats
--
Cheek Sr
> Sven Baumer wrote in message ...
> >
> >We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> >in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Dunno, but I do remember Ronnie Peterson spinning during a snow flurry
> at
> Becketts in the non-championship Daily Express Trophy at Silverstone
> in
> 1973 (I think).
>
> David Betts
>
> 'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops'
In the Thirties,contemporary GP Alfa Romeos and Bugattis would be kitted
out withspiked tyres and run on frozen lakes in "GPs" in Sweden and
Norway.I have a lovely
pic of Norwegian star Eugen Bjornstad in a P3 Alfa ready for the off -
wearing a vest
made from a polar bear hide or so it seems.
Doc
>
--
Fredrik B. Knutsen, MD
Director,
Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sol.no/~kareknut)
"Scuderia Alce Rampante"
André Prégent
Prix... in front of the home crowd.... remember the snowflakes on
saturday!!
Sven Baumer wrote:
>
> We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
> Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> banners last year?).
>
Tom Cosgrave
Lucy Laws wrote in message <01bde0bb$fb5379e0
>
>Dunno the answers to these questions - but it was bloody cold and *snowing*
>at Brands when the rasf1 crew got together in April this year. The F1
>engines were definitely not happy about running so cold.
The tyres didn't like it either, couldn't get them uyp to temp - the track
was
near-freezing!
Tom
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McLarenSCW
Fox) writes:
>
>I don't know if it was the coldest GP ever, but I was at the 1980 USGP
>at Watkins Glen (the last REAL US Grand Prix) and froze my A** off. I
>was crewing for a Super Vee team and I remember it was about 37 deg F.
>(3 deg. C) when we took to the grid that morning's race. As I recall,
>it didn't warm up much for the GP race later that day.
>
'80 was cold but '76 was colder and I've been told (wasn't there) that 65 was
the worst. In '76 it rained on Friday and Saturday and on Sunday the front
came through - bitter, bitter cold with lots of wind. Saturday night I
remember we went to a l976 version of K-Mart and bought extra layers so we
could stay warm on Sunday. I still have the hat I got with a Kendall oil stick
on logo that someone stuck on it. Great memories of hanging on the fence
opposite the pits on Friday and watching the cars with the HUGE rear tires
throwing up the most incredible rooster tails.
Sally
McLarenSCW
<David...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
>Dunno, but I do remember Ronnie Peterson spinning during a snow flurry at
>Becketts in the non-championship Daily Express Trophy at Silverstone in
>1973 (I think).
>
>David Betts
Wasn't that in 1970?
Sally
Doug Finch
wrote:
>The coldest F1 race hasn't happened yet. It's gonna be NEXT YEAR at
>Montreal because they decided that Montreal wasn't COLD ENOUGH in early
>June, they'd go ahead and move in to May. May in Montreal can be truly
>glorious, but it can also be like being above the friggin Arctic circle.
Good one, John! I've been wondering the same thing myself
while watching the date slide progressively earlier. Perhaps they
REALLY want a wet race - but wasn't it snowing during the '78
installment (1st at Montreal) of the CDN GP? It was run in early to
mid October then and would be even more of a weather gamble than late
May.
I haven't yet been to Montreal in May, but living in Edmonton,
I think I can say I know what being above the Arctic circle feels
like... <note to geographically challenged readers - we're pretty far
north, but nowhere near the circle - about 1500 km or so>
>:-)
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David Betts
David Betts writes:
>>
>>Dunno, but I do remember Ronnie Peterson spinning during a snow flurry at
>>Becketts in the non-championship Daily Express Trophy at Silverstone in
>>1973 (I think).
>
>Wasn't that in 1970?
Well, you know my memory Sally. I've been wrong before. But 1970 was the
year of Chris Amon's win from Jackie Stewart in identical March 701s and I
was watching from the Stowe grandstand. Didn't Ronnie start his f1 career
later that season in a private March (Smog sponsored? - was it the Colin
Crabbe car which Vic Elford sometimes drove?, I'm really stretching my
memory now) then get the works drive for '71?
I remember that spin in the snow as being in a JPS Lotus 72, which is why I
thought it was '73. There was a full blizzard for a few minutes after the
race which turned everywhere white. Then it melted almost as quickly as it
came.
Brian Lawrence
>
>in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
>
>Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
>chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
>banners last year?).
>
>And what was the hottest (ambient) temperature at a GP?
Mike Lang's meticulously researched 4-volume "Grand Prix! has a very
brief weather description for each of the first 404 championship races
(up to end of 1984). The descriptions are very very brief, "Hot and Sunny"
or "Overcast but Dry" for example, but they appear to have been distilled
from contemporary newspaper & magazine reports, which are going to
be pretty subjective of course. Lang manages to remain fairly consistent
throughout, so the descriptions may have some merit.
In those 404 races, only 6 qualify for the epithet cold:
British GP 17 July 1954 Silverstone
Spanish GP 1 May 1972 Jarama
Belgian GP 5 June 1977 Zolder
US GP 2 October 1977 Watkins Glen
US East GP 7 October 1979 Watkins Glen
Canadian GP 27 September 1981 Ile de Notre Dame
Most but not all of the races at the Glen are described as "cool", as are
many of the Canadian races held in late September/early October.
Only three races are described as "extremely hot":
Indianapolis 500 30 May 1953 Indianapolis
Argentine GP 16 January 1955 Buenos Aires
French GP 5 July 1959 Reims-Gueux
Another 33 races are described as "very hot", including the
aforementioned Dallas GP 1984. Personally I would vote for
the 1953 Argentine race - only two cars which finished were
driven by the same driver throughout the race, all others
had one or more driver swaps - the race did last 3 hours though.
--
Brian Lawrence, Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
Reply to: Brian_W_...@msn.com
A man with a good memory is seldom conspicuous for original thought.
Sven Baumer
> Sven Baumer <sba...@informatik.uni-ulm.de> wrote in article
> > you know, there are at least two things one can do with melted
> > chocolate. I like both of them.
>
> Eat it or....?
I'm positive that you do know the other!
It's that thing where the cleaning up part is the most fun.
> > PS: you still haven't made up your mind if you want to be remembered
> > as "sensible" or as "warrior princess"? ;-)
>
> How about twiglet-loving-Mr-Whippy-van-driving princess?
I still don't know Twiglets, and who the hell is Mr. Whippy?
But the van-driving princess sounds nice; we all will remember
you as that.
BTW, do you have nice graffities on your van? Or at least a
funny bumper sticker?
Sven.
Sven Baumer
> Sven Baumer <sba...@informatik.uni-ulm.de> wrote:
>
> > We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> > in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
> >
> > Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> > chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> > banners last year?).
> What ? Are we going to have to take the snow chains for the bus with us
> ? I know that sunny weather and +20 C temperatures are unlikely, but
> SNOW? What have I got myself into ? (Luxemburgs GP will be the first F1
> race I watch live). Let's see now, where did I stash the superwarm
> underwear ?
forget the snow chains, but the warm underwear and something rain proof
is seriously recommended.
I've been to the Ring about 8 times, and only three times could be described
as not-horrible weather, and only once we had really good weather.
Nurburing is located in the Eifel, the main reason for the high rain chance
there. And it's usually 5 degrees colder than Bonn, Koblenz or Koeln, which
are the closest major cities. And it's often windy.
> On a more serious note, I'm really looking forward to it since it's
> going to be weekend long event - flanked by 24 hrs coach journeys.
> On the Nurburgring website there's a track layout showing multiple large
> TV screens so I guess there's not much use for binoculars ?
> (Our seats are in stand T16)
I've never been to T16, but if it's the one on the outside of the track
just before the silly "Veedol S", then there's a screen right next to it.
However the screen is positioned that those on the inside tribunes get
a good look, so it's perhaps hard to see from T16.
Enjoy your trip, and good luck with the weather!
Sven.
(who won't freeze to death in two weeks time)
Christian Ehrnrooth
>
> Something is wrong here!
>
> Chris Amon never won a F1 race :(
>
Chris Amon never won a CHAMPIONSHIP race, but the race that was referred
to here was a non-championship race.
X-ian
Finland
Paul Berry
> >
> > We have lousy weather over here in Germany, 9 degrees max. and snow
> > in areas above 1500m, hence the question.
> >
> > Since the Nurburgring is well known for bad weather, there's a tiny
> > chance that it might snow there (remember the "welcome to Kitzbuehl"
> > banners last year?).
> >
> >
> >
> > (dreaming of a small sunny island)
> >
>
> bloody cold. I'm pretty sure that it was moved to June/July because of the
> weather.
>
> I remember hearing that the Argentine GP in 1955 was very very hot. The
> drivers back then were sitting behind the engines and most teammates took
> turns driving the car. Fangio ran the whole race himself taking the win as
> he was not affected by the heat like the Europeans were.
>
> Watching "Legends of Motorsport - Racing in the Fifties" on Speedvision has
> it's benefits.
>
'70s (I think it was the International Trophy) which took place during a
snow shower/storm/whatever (ie. it was snowing). Must be something of a
unique event...
--
"See all, hear all, say nowt; Eat all, sup all, pay nowt;
And if tha ever does owt for nowt, allus do it for thassen."
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<mailto:pjberry@*MARMITE*liv.ac.uk> I hate *MARMITE*
David Betts
>Something is wrong here!
>
>Chris Amon never won a F1 race :(
He never won a championship F1 race. He certainly won the
non-championship F1 race at Silverstone in 1970. I know, because I was
there. I think he also won one other.
Cheek Sr
> David Betts
>
> 'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops'
Ronnie's 701 was indeed the Colin Crabbe entered one,with v prominent
Antique Automobiles livery.
S'pose somebody must have known the 701 was out-dated already at the
start of its
career,and got the sponsorship that was appropriate :-)
drei...@vms1.gmu.edu
> Good one, John! I've been wondering the same thing myself
> while watching the date slide progressively earlier. Perhaps they
> REALLY want a wet race - but wasn't it snowing during the '78
> installment (1st at Montreal) of the CDN GP? It was run in early to
> mid October then and would be even more of a weather gamble than late
> May.
The Labatt Grand Prix du Canada used to be the last week of September
or the first week of October. That race, and the race at Watkins Glen
the following week, experienced very cold weather.
Add a good stiff breeze :) coming down river at Montreal and it felt
even colder.
Riot police, primitive facilities, aurora borealis, flaming foliage,
a full grid, camping in the mud, I miss the Glen.
Argus
> while watching the date slide progressively earlier. Perhaps they
> REALLY want a wet race - but wasn't it snowing during the '78
> installment (1st at Montreal) of the CDN GP? It was run in early to
> mid October then and would be even more of a weather gamble than late
> May.
>
> I think I can say I know what being above the Arctic circle feels
> like... <note to geographically challenged readers - we're pretty far
> north, but nowhere near the circle - about 1500 km or so>
>
> >:-)
>
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> - Do...@pobox.com (CDN) -
I'm from Ottawa originally and I can tell you the weather at the
Montreal GP was exceptionally cold for June. (I even had to buy gloves
at a depanneur!) Often it is unbearably hot and humid in the summer so I
was pretty relieved to see the race is being held the end of May.
Should be beautiful weather, we hope - not as nice as Edmonton is in the
summer, but not bad :-)
Liz (very happy to be living in Vancouver now.)
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Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff
>In the Thirties,contemporary GP Alfa Romeos and Bugattis would be kitted
>out withspiked tyres and run on frozen lakes in "GPs" in Sweden and
>Norway.I have a lovely pic of Norwegian star Eugen Bjornstad in a
>P3 Alfa ready for the off - wearing a vest made from a polar bear hide
>or so it seems.
> Doc
Ice-racing.
Cool!
-Ferdinand-
Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff
>The Canadian GP when it was held in Oct (77 Mosport ,78 Montreal) was
>bloody cold. I'm pretty sure that it was moved to June/July because of the
>weather.
For that very first GP in Montreal I bought a grandstand ticket in
what is now Silver-#11. Already then the grandstand tickets were
outrageously expensive compared to the bargain admission prices for a
full weekend of camping at Mosport.
There's always a cool breeze blowing in off the river at the west end
of Isle Notre Dame where that grandstand is located. With the snow
flakes and the F-F-F-F-f-fffreeezing wind blowing that day, I thought
I was gonna die. But having paid all that money for a grandstand
seat, NO WAY was I going to give it up to fight instead for a warmer
spot somewhere in the general admission areas.
But the moment that J.P. Jarier was forced to drop out due to his JPS
Lotus developing an oil leak, all the discomforts of the cold weather
were instantly forgetten. Gilles Villeneuve had just taken over the
lead in his home Grand Prix!
-Ferdinand-
McLarenSCW
<David...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
>McLarenSCW wrote
>
>David Betts writes:
>>>
>>>Dunno, but I do remember Ronnie Peterson spinning during a snow flurry at
>>>Becketts in the non-championship Daily Express Trophy at Silverstone in
>>>1973 (I think).
>
>>
>>Wasn't that in 1970?
>
>
>Well, you know my memory Sally. I've been wrong before. But 1970 was the
>year of Chris Amon's win from Jackie Stewart in identical March 701s and I
>was watching from the Stowe grandstand. Didn't Ronnie start his f1 career
>later that season in a private March (Smog sponsored? - was it the Colin
>Crabbe car which Vic Elford sometimes drove?, I'm really stretching my
>memory now) then get the works drive for '71?
>
>I remember that spin in the snow as being in a JPS Lotus 72, which is why I
>thought it was '73. There was a full blizzard for a few minutes after the
>race which turned everywhere white. Then it melted almost as quickly as it
>came.
>
>David Betts
This was driving me nuts all day yesterday - you are right - finally got out
Autocourse. It was the Daily Express Trogphy race at Silverstone, April 8,
1973. It was Peterson (in the Lotus 72) who spun (on lap 32 of 40) at Becketts
(along with Schuppan) "a flurry of snow upset drivers at Becketts" - finish was
Stewart, Peterson, Reggazzoni, Revson, Lauda and Fullmer.
Sally
Cheek Sr
Maybe where that term originated.
Driving on spiked tyres (needle-sharp steel cones,some inch and a half
long and bolted
through from the inside of the tyre) is an awesome experience.The grip
compares well
to that of slicks on dry tarmac,there is in fact so much grip that
certain cars would roll
before sliding.Great fun.Unfortunately,mild winters the last ten or so
years have precluded
any ice racing in this country for so long only us old hands can
remember what is used to
be like.
Mats Furucrona
< stuff mostly about Nurburgring weather conditions snipped>
> Enjoy your trip, and good luck with the weather!
Thanks, still looking forward to it despite possible grim weather
conditions.
> Sven.
> (who won't freeze to death in two weeks time)
Better take the anti-freeze* as well as the rainproof gear, warm
underwear then:-)
Mats
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>Driving on spiked tyres (needle-sharp steel cones,some inch and
>a half long and bolted through from the inside of the tyre) is
>an awesome experience.The grip compares well to that of slicks
>on dry tarmac,there is in fact so much grip that certain cars
>would roll before sliding.Great fun.
The ice-racing club in Edmonton Alberta uses spikes bolted through
from the inside of the tire. With the high level of grip available
from spiked tires, engine horsepower and money become much higher
factors in determining who will win a race.
Our local club here in Ottawa effectively put a cap on the quest for
more horsepower by specifying that the studs be screwed into the
rubber tread from the *outside*. We were allowed a limited number of
ice-racing screws per tire, basically just common sheet metal screws.
Too much horsepower or torque delivered through the wheels would tear
the screws out of the rubber.
>Unfortunately,mild winters the last ten or so years have
>precluded any ice racing in this country for so long only
>us old hands can remember what is used to be like.
> Doc
No kidding? I haven't (yet) had the pleasure of visiting Norway, but
I had always imagined it to be much colder. Ottawa is plenty cold
enough during the winter even though it is only roughly on the same
latitude as Venice.
-Ferdinand-
Photos, ice-racing stories <http://www.globalserve.net/~trauttf/Ice/>
John D. Ford
wrote:
[snip]
> Driving on spiked tyres (needle-sharp steel cones,some inch and a half
> long and bolted
> through from the inside of the tyre) is an awesome experience.The grip
> compares well
> to that of slicks on dry tarmac,there is in fact so much grip that
> certain cars would roll
> years have precluded
> any ice racing in this country for so long only us old hands can
> remember what is used to
> be like.
> Doc
We have lots of ice here. We can send you some :)
I intend to go out and support my friends who miss the summer racing
season so much they've started ice racing. I tend to take to the canal
with speed skates and do ice racing of a different kind.
Racing is an addiction of sorts.
/jdf
John D. Ford
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Doug Finch
wrote:
>I'm from Ottawa originally and I can tell you the weather at the
>Montreal GP was exceptionally cold for June. (I even had to buy gloves
>at a depanneur!) Often it is unbearably hot and humid in the summer so I
>was pretty relieved to see the race is being held the end of May.
Well, since I'm from Edmonton, I didn't have to buy any
gloves, but I did "have" to buy a Roots sweatshirt... It was a chilly
one "for sure". A big ditto about the lack of heat/humidity - it was
nice to go for a walk without my shirt becoming perma-stuck to me!
That mugginess is awful hard for a prairie boy like me to handle!
>Should be beautiful weather, we hope - not as nice as Edmonton is in the
>summer, but not bad :-)
Well, there's nowhere on earth as nice as E-town in the
summer... except for possibly Vancouver (when it's not raining). :)
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Ryan John Cousineau
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:38:11 -0700, Argus <mar...@bc.sympatico.ca>
>wrote:
>>I'm from Ottawa originally and I can tell you the weather at the
>>Montreal GP was exceptionally cold for June. (I even had to buy gloves
>>at a depanneur!) Often it is unbearably hot and humid in the summer so I
>>was pretty relieved to see the race is being held the end of May.
> Well, since I'm from Edmonton, I didn't have to buy any
>gloves, but I did "have" to buy a Roots sweatshirt... It was a chilly
>one "for sure". A big ditto about the lack of heat/humidity - it was
>nice to go for a walk without my shirt becoming perma-stuck to me!
>That mugginess is awful hard for a prairie boy like me to handle!
>>Should be beautiful weather, we hope - not as nice as Edmonton is in the
>>summer, but not bad :-)
> Well, there's nowhere on earth as nice as E-town in the
>summer... except for possibly Vancouver (when it's not raining). :)
Ah, yer blowing smoke. we here in Lotus Land are currently sitting on about
a 40-day dry spell. I think we've had about 5 rainy days since June.
ObRace: May, huh? Maybe this year...
Forza Mechachrome! (I'm not a fan of any particular driver, I just cheer
for the plucky underdog engine).
--
Ryan Cousineau, rjco...@sfu.ca
"[Ryan is] a literary pop-culture mathemagical wizard!"
-Frederick Ghahramani
Argus
>
> Our local club here in Ottawa effectively put a cap on the quest for
> more horsepower by specifying that the studs be screwed into the
> rubber tread from the *outside*. We were allowed a limited number of
> ice-racing screws per tire, basically just common sheet metal screws.
> Too much horsepower or torque delivered through the wheels would tear
> the screws out of the rubber.
>
> -Ferdinand-
> Photos, ice-racing stories <http://www.globalserve.net/~trauttf/Ice/>
Are there still the ice races on the Ottawa River near Gatineau? My
brother-in-law used to race on Dow's Lake years and years ago, until the
neighbours kicked up too much of a fuss!!
Liz (former Ottawan)
Cheek Sr
Ah,yes,speed skating.Used to do a lot of that as a young man,until I got
my driver's licence at 18.Training for speed skating develops bulging
thigh and gluteus muscles,
which one or two of the female correspondents here may have noticed -
Johann Olav Koss used to be a bit of a favourite with them iirc :-)
Conny Johanson
David Betts wrote in message <#y2#CAY49GA.171@upnetnews05>...
>Ron wrote
>
>>Something is wrong here!
>>
>>Chris Amon never won a F1 race :(
>
>He never won a championship F1 race. He certainly won the
>non-championship F1 race at Silverstone in 1970. I know, because I was
>there. I think he also won one other.
>
MS120B.
This was a two heat race, as was the 1970 International Trophy referred to
above.
A pity he didn't race in the 1959 German Grand Prix, as this was the only
intentionally two-heat Grand Prix; but he was only 16 at the time.
Chris Amon was my first favorite driver (this was pre Ronnie Peterson), but
I only
got to see him once; at the 1976 Swedish Grand Prix, in the beautiful red
Ensign.
>David Betts
>
>'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops'
>
Conny Johanson
con...@mailbox.calypso.net
REV
Speaking of the Canadian Grand Prix, I remember camping at Circuit Mont-Tremblant around 1968-70
with my dad. I must have been around 15 or 16 then. We went two years in row. Boy was it COLD.
Wasn't too bad during the day: luckily it was sunny and september is usually dry up there. But
temperatures dipped to freezing point during the night and you'd wake up in the morning with frost
on the ground. That circuit was special. Still is used by driving schools. Both Villeneuves, dad and
son were there to learn, and many other drivers, including some americans and maybe a few europeans
(Vasser was also there I believe...). It is similar to the old Nurburgring in many aspects. At
Mont-Tremblant at the end of September, multicoloured leaves light up the mountains, sky is deep
blue and it is, for sure, one of the most beautifull sights on this planet. Our favorite spot was on
the side of a steep hill where you could see the cars coming out of "the woods" into a straight, out
of sight, then coming back over a hump (they would actually fly off), take a tight 90 degree corner
and go up a very steep hill. Wow! Beats the grandstand in Montreal... This was a tough circuit.
Tough on the drivers and a killer for the machines.
In '68 during practice I believe, Jacky Ickx crashed his Ferrari and broke a leg. September 22,
1968, 30 years ago. I was a Lotus fan... but, in case you're wondering who actually won the race: it
was a 1-2 for... McLaren (!!!) with Denny Hulme winning and Bruce McLaren himself taking second
place...one lap behind his own driver! Wait, it gets better. Guess who finished fourth? Yep, good
ol' Graham Hill... 4 laps behind!!! Only 6 cars finished out of 22. The Ferrari driven by Chris Amon
led most of the race but broke its transmission 18 laps before the end. '68 is remembered, sadly, as
the year Jimmy Clark, my hero, killed himself in Hockhenheim. Graham Hill won the WC that year for
Lotus. I returned two years later to see Jacky Ickx, the man who broke his leg in '68, win the race
for Ferrari. That year, it was so cold during the night that some drunken campers drove a car into
their campfire. Kaboom! Was the hotest campfire I ever saw! In 1970 Lotus-Ford won the WC with
Jochen Rindt and Ferrari took second place with Jacky Ickx.
Argus wrote<35FFE9...@bc.sympatico.ca>...
>Doug Finch wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:13:06 -0700, "John B. Rees" <jr...@best.com>
>> wrote:
>> Good one, John! I've been wondering the same thing myself
>> while watching the date slide progressively earlier. Perhaps they
>> REALLY want a wet race - but wasn't it snowing during the '78
>> installment (1st at Montreal) of the CDN GP? It was run in early to
>> mid October then and would be even more of a weather gamble than late
>> May.
>>
>> I haven't yet been to Montreal in May, but living in Edmonton,
>> I think I can say I know what being above the Arctic circle feels
>> like... <note to geographically challenged readers - we're pretty far
>> north, but nowhere near the circle - about 1500 km or so>
>>
>> >:-)
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> "The first time I drove I braked before a bend but the car slowed
>> down so much that I had to accelerate again to reach the curve."
>> - Olivier Panis describing his first F1 experience -
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> - Do...@pobox.com (CDN) -
>
>I'm from Ottawa originally and I can tell you the weather at the
>Montreal GP was exceptionally cold for June. (I even had to buy gloves
>at a depanneur!) Often it is unbearably hot and humid in the summer so I
>was pretty relieved to see the race is being held the end of May.
>Should be beautiful weather, we hope - not as nice as Edmonton is in the
>summer, but not bad :-)
>
REV
Conny Johanson wrote:
>Chris Amon was my first favorite driver (this was pre Ronnie Peterson), but
>I only
>got to see him once; at the 1976 Swedish Grand Prix, in the beautiful red
>Ensign.
>
Amon and Peterson actually drove for the same team in 1970. They both were with March-Ford. I saw
them at the Canadian Grand Prix held in Mont-Tremblant that year. Amon finished 3rd, on the podium
and Peterson, who begining, did not finish. Ferrari won the race 1-2 with Ickx and Regazzoni.
John D. Ford
wrote:
> Ah,yes,speed skating.Used to do a lot of that as a young man,until I got
> my driver's licence at 18.Training for speed skating develops bulging
> thigh and gluteus muscles,
> which one or two of the female correspondents here may have noticed -
> Johann Olav Koss used to be a bit of a favourite with them iirc :-)
> Doc
I've been developing my thighs by following in Koss's tire tracks
cycling in Eritrea as well as skating... :)
gra...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
I've seen a picture of the podium and someone was wearing a fur coat!
GB
John B. Rees (jr...@best.com) wrote:
: The coldest F1 race hasn't happened yet. It's gonna be NEXT YEAR at
: Montreal because they decided that Montreal wasn't COLD ENOUGH in early
: June, they'd go ahead and move in to May. May in Montreal can be truly
: glorious, but it can also be like being above the friggin Arctic circle.
: :-)
: On 15 Sep 1998, Lucy Laws wrote:
: >Dunno the answers to these questions - but it was bloody cold and *snowing*
: >at Brands when the rasf1 crew got together in April this year. The F1
: >engines were definitely not happy about running so cold.
: From: John B. Rees
: jr...@best.com
: http://www.best.com/~jrees/jrees/