Why was Coulthard so much faster than Häkkinen?
Marco Ribke
Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster than
Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying?
Did Mika choose the wrong tyres?
In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in Melbourne David
was about half second faster than Mika and about 20 seconds in the race.
Jeroen Cramer
I believe Ron Dennis opted to have each car on a different compound in the
first race of the season so that he would be able to collect date on both
compounds. Maybe by doeing this now, he'll be able to take advantage of
this knowledge in all remaining races of this season.
Furthermore, and I'm not sure of this so correct me if I'm wrong, I believe
both drivers had a different strategy aswell. Didn't Coulthard come in
twice en Mika only once ????
Jeroen Cramer
A Jos Verstappen fan, as you can see on my site
http://www.tip.nl/users/remarc. The site is available in both dutch and
english.
Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> schreef in artikel
<332363...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de>...
Mets{l{ Tapio
In article <332363...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de>,
Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
>Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster than
>Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying?
>Did Mika choose the wrong tyres?
>In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in Melbourne David
>was about half second faster than Mika and about 20 seconds in the race.
Hello,
I was thinking that also during the race. I have such a feeling
that Mika is slightly slower in races than David. IMHO, this is because
they have different driving styles. As far as I can remember, David was
taught his fast corner driving by Prost. He doesn't brake as aggressive
as Mika, but 'slides' corners very fast anyway. On the other hand,
Mika brakes as late as possible very heavily. Maybe Mika is forced to
use his brakes lightly in order to prevent such a accident as Frenzen
had. And this is especially in these brake power demanding circuits.
This is only my 0.01$ worth theory. :)
Best Regards, Tapio Metsala
HeathcoteR
<<Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster than
Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying?>>
Mental toughness (see post-race press conference).
-Bob
fanof...@mellburnnn.com
Jeroen Cramer wrote:
=
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> Furthermore, and I'm not sure of this so correct me if I'm wrong, I belie=
ve
> both drivers had a different strategy aswell. Didn't Coulthard come in
> twice en Mika only once ????
I believe you are right. Perhaps McLaren could substitute Hakkinen
with Makinen* next race to see if the same holds water.
*Tommi would appreciate some sun in Sao Paulo, don't you think?
Perhaps some pace notes from the pits, any suggestions?:-)
> =
> Jeroen Cramer
> A Jos Verstappen fan, as you can see on my site
> http://www.tip.nl/users/remarc The site is available in both dutch and
> english.
> =
> Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> schreef in artikel
> <332363...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de>...
> > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster than
> > H=E4kkinen in the race and in the qualifying?
> > Did Mika choose the wrong tyres?
> > In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in Melbourne Davi=
d
> > was about half second faster than Mika and about 20 seconds in the race=
=2E
> >
Esa Sorvali
Sandy Morton wrote:
>
> Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster
> than
> wrong
> > tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > seconds in the race.
>
> Maybe David is a better driver?
>
I do not think so! Perhaps we need to wait couple more races and make
decisions then.
Esa Sorvali
> Sandy Millport
> on the bicycle island
Ric
Sandy Morton wrote:
>
> Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster
> than
> > Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying? Did Mika choose the
> wrong
> > tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > Melbourne David was about half second faster than Mika and about 20
> > seconds in the race.
>
>
> Sandy Millport
> on the bicycle island
Interesting! I can vividly recall a newsgroup thread last week where
everyone was bashing someone for stating that Coulthard being better
than Hakkinen...
True, its to early to say anything other than what has happened, but to
all those that stated that Mr. Hakkinen is the best and fastest F1
driver in F1, possibly they should look closer through unobscured vision
and admitt that he was beat by his teammate in Australia, but might do
better next time.
But then again, so might Villenueve.....
Sandy Morton
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Sandy Morton wrote:
> Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
>=20
> > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster
> > than H=E4kkinen in the race and in the qualifying? Did Mika choose the
> > wrong tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > Melbourne David was about half second faster than Mika and about 20
> > seconds in the race.
>=20
> As a very slightly biased Scot. Maybe David is a better driver?
>=20
> Sandy Millport
Even tough the game is now David 1, Mika 0, let's not extrapolate too
far based on this one datapoint.
Tuomo
Pedro Silva
Jeroen Cramer <rem...@tip.nl> wrote in article
<01bc2cc1$f6be2ce0$14d6b18f@t353608>...
> I believe Ron Dennis opted to have each car on a different compound in
the
> first race of the season so that he would be able to collect date on both
> compounds. Maybe by doeing this now, he'll be able to take advantage of
> this knowledge in all remaining races of this season.
Among the Goodyear users, Ferrari was the only one to opt for the harder
compound (god knows why). They both stopped once in the pits.
RobHorwitz
Actually Hakkinen crashed his primary car and was using the team's back up
car...so normally a back up car does exhibit a 1/2 second slower than the
primary car.
Robin
Markus Varsta
Ave !!
Is this true. I thought they would have fixed his race car
following the collapse of the suspension. He did not total
his car in the incident did he ? I thought that at Melbourne
he simply couldn't keep up with David but hope he get his
act together. I do believe he has what it takes.
- Oho -
Craig Lister
Isn't there a slight possibility that David simply out performed Mika on
the days? David won the race. Credit where credit is due. He held of
Shumacher, double world champion in a now, competitive car. He kept his
head, handled back markers supurbly, pitted like an ace etc. He didn't put
a wheel wrong. (Actually, I saw some muck shhot up near the end, which I
got a fright from, but it went unmentioned). The bottom line is David got
10 points for McLaren and Mika got a ... well, I can't say well deserved,
but he got a 3rd, which is excellent for the team. (Reason I say I can't
say it was deserved is because we didn't see much of him).
I say, "Well done David! You handled the pressure, and won the race."
Craig Lister
Robert Snow
Esa Sorvali wrote:
>
> Sandy Morton wrote:
> >
> > Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster
> > than
> > wrong
> > > tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > > Melbourne David was about half second faster than Mika and about 20
> > > seconds in the race.
> >
> >
> decisions then.
>
> Esa Sorvali
>
> > on the bicycle island
Esa - think again, how many races has Mikka raced , more than
David. & how many races has Mikka won - BIG ZERO
I my book that says David is the better driver
Rob
Markus Varsta
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|> Esa - think again, how many races has Mikka raced , more than
|> David. & how many races has Mikka won - BIG ZERO
|>
|> I my book that says David is the better driver
|>
|> Rob
|>
Ave !!
Picture lies more than a thousand words.
Statistics lie more than thousand pictures.
While David may be better it hardly is deductible
from wins/races statistic at least so far.
- Oho -
Janne Haikonen
>
> Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster than
> Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying?
>
Coulthard is very fast driver too ! Perhaps some insight to Hakkinen's
performance was given in one interview that I saw. First he said that his
last flying lap in qualifying was spoiled by some back marker (at halfway
through the circuit he was 0.6 sec ahead of Frentzen which would have been
2nd on the grid ... this according to their (McLaren) own timing ...).
During the race he felt that back of his car was a little 'loose', so he
couldn't push quite to the limit (perhaps he has brains after all...).
He also said that he is very happy for David and the team, but that he
wouldn't have minded if the order had been reversed (with wink of an eye).
Great race for both drivers !!! YES YES YES !! Extra congrats to DAVID !!!
--
Janne Haikonen
Tero Paananen
>Esa - think again, how many races has Mikka raced , more than
> David. & how many races has Mikka won - BIG ZERO
> I my book that says David is the better driver
For crying out loud! I suppose, if it was Hakkinen who had won the first race
(out of 17) then Mr. Finglish would be an almost sure bet for World Champion
and far more importantly utterly and beyond any doubt better in the past,
in the present and in the future than the Scott. Correctomundo?
God Save the Queen and all Queen's subjects, especially those who abandon
all reason at first sight of success.
Now, come half season and if Coulthard still is better, you might perhaps
have a case.
-TPP
PS. And it's Mika, one k.
Nupponen
Tero Paananen (p11...@cc.tut.fi) wrote:
: For crying out loud! I suppose, if it was Hakkinen who had won the first race
: (out of 17) then Mr. Finglish would be an almost sure bet for World Champion
: and far more importantly utterly and beyond any doubt better in the past,
: in the present and in the future than the Scott. Correctomundo?
: have a case.
Hah hah hah, I loved seeing Dave beat the living daylights out of Mika the
no-hoper. He doesn't have what it takes to WIN a Grand Prix, as plain as
that. Even his 3rd place was a gift, courtesy of HHF's brake discs...
In the fact, he drove like shit, couldn't even pass Schumi when Ferrari
cocked up...and almost got passed in the finishing line by Berger (?).
Hakkinen & Verstappen - the most hyped drivers (for nothing) with the lamest
fans...
Andy
per...@bbs.freequote.com
In article <3323E1...@bra01.icl.co.uk>,
al...@bra01.icl.co.uk wrote:
>
> Esa Sorvali wrote:
> >
> > Sandy Morton wrote:
> > >
> > > Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > than
> > > wrong
> > > > tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > > > Melbourne David was about half second faster than Mika and about 20
> > > > seconds in the race.
> > >
> > > Maybe David is a better driver?
> > >
> > I do not think so! Perhaps we need to wait couple more races and make
> > decisions then.
> >
> > Esa Sorvali
> >
> > > Sandy Millport
> > > on the bicycle island
Rob wrote:
> Esa - think again, how many races has Mikka raced , more than
> David. & how many races has Mikka won - BIG ZERO
>
> I my book that says David is the better driver
>
> Rob
I think David is in better physical condition. In the post-race
conference and after they got out of the cars in park ferme Schumacher
has no perspriation on him at all. Always looks the same. He is really a
machine, not human. :) It really is amazing. Schumacher always looks
totally fresh. David was perspiring but not too badly. Mika took off the
helment and his hair was drenched in perspiration. He also looked tired.
He looked tired after Suzuka. He may be lazy or he may still not be back
to being fit after the accident.
I remember Damon in 1994 and 1995 always looked exhausted. He worked
like a demon to get in shape before the 1996 season. In 1996 he always
looked totally relaxed and fresh after each race. The fitness really
does matter. This is why Schumacher can drive 60 laps on the limit like
a machine. David may not be as fit as Schu but he is close. He had
Schumacher behind him all race and he kept his lap speeds fast and
cosistent and was not tired so he avoided making a mistake.
Frank Lardino
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Marco Ribke
Nupponen wrote:
>
>
> Hah hah hah, I loved seeing Dave beat the living daylights out of Mika the
> no-hoper. He doesn't have what it takes to WIN a Grand Prix, as plain as
> that. Even his 3rd place was a gift, courtesy of HHF's brake discs...
>
> In the fact, he drove like shit, couldn't even pass Schumi when Ferrari
> cocked up...and almost got passed in the finishing line by Berger (?).
>
> Hakkinen & Verstappen - the most hyped drivers (for nothing) with the lamest
> fans...
>
> Andy
>
in a very bad mclaren chassis last season.
but i can understand your negative attitude towards mika. i think it is
nearly the same hystery like schumania in germany.
everyone just talks about one driver.does the finnish press talk about
mika
night and day?
that愀 the only explanation for your confused statement!
what do you mean by "lamest fans"?
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho
Nupponen poked the keyboard:
> > Hakkinen & Verstappen - the most hyped drivers (for nothing) with the
> > lamest fans...
> >
> > Andy
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Marco Ribke wrote:
> does the finnish press talk about mika night and day?
Not really. They seem to like Salo better than Hakkinen. Granted, Salo
seems to have a more interesting personality than Hakkinen. Speedwise,
well...
Marco Ribke continued:
> what do you mean by "lamest fans"?
He was obviously referring to people like me! We are the lamest of the
lame, the lowest of the low. Sounds like Mark Renton on the Scotts...
Seriously, I think that Andy "McCoy" Nupponen should cut down his heroine
usage and get his next brain surgery in Finland or top hospitals of the
US: The best neurosurgeons in the world might be able revert the
autolobotomy process...
Tuomo
Ian Brigstocke
h11...@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Janne Haikonen) wrote:
> During the race he felt that back of his car was a little 'loose', so he
>couldn't push quite to the limit (perhaps he has brains after all...).
>He also said that he is very happy for David and the team, but that he
>wouldn't have minded if the order had been reversed (with wink of an eye).
Personally, I find it encouraging that Mika has settled down. Just a
couple of years ago he and Eddie Irvine were at the same maturity
level. And now Mika is one of the most consistent drivers on the track
and Eddie is...
The McLaren looks like a good car, and I'd be awfully surprised if
Mika doesn't collect his first race win this year. Congratulations to
both of the McLaren drivers for a terrific race.
Ian
Nupponen
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho (ptu...@gsbphd.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: Seriously, I think that Andy "McCoy" Nupponen should cut down his heroine
: usage and get his next brain surgery in Finland or top hospitals of the
: US: The best neurosurgeons in the world might be able revert the
: autolobotomy process...
: Tuomo
After hearing your fellow finn ranting about "the Mikas" for a year as an
exchange student, I developed a hatred towards both them. When the sod left,
I got his university account...ha-ha.
Also, I am not a scot nor british. The "za" stands for South African...
Still, the scoresheet says : 10 points for David Coulthard and 4 for Mika H.
Wake up, smell the coffee, David is faster and better driver, with a mental
attitude fit for WINNING races. Mika Hakkinen might have occasional moments,
but he always keeps losing it when he's doing well. Most of his finishes are
achieved just by "hanging at the 5th place waiting for the better drivers
to go out".
And for the other Mika, if he had any skills he would've been recruited for
a better team than Tyrrell. Just another mid-range-driver.
Andrew
Tero Paananen
>Still, the scoresheet says : 10 points for David Coulthard and 4 for Mika H.
>Wake up, smell the coffee, David is faster and better driver, with a mental
>attitude fit for WINNING races.
^
It is somewhat impossible at the age of Tag Heuer to have more than one
winner you know per race. 1st race -> one winner so far.
As for mental attitude fit for winning, let's talk about that when the
winner of a F1 race is put to some pressure by the 2nd place driver. Quite
frankly the Australian GP was just a cruise and pitstops were the deciding
factor.
> Mika Hakkinen might have occasional moments,
>but he always keeps losing it when he's doing well. Most of his finishes are
>achieved just by "hanging at the 5th place waiting for the better drivers
^^^^^^^
>to go out".
You did mean "better cars" didn't you?
-TPP
Santtu Asp TKKK
per...@bbs.freequote.com wrote:
: I think David is in better physical condition. In the post-race
: conference and after they got out of the cars in park ferme Schumacher
: has no perspriation on him at all. Always looks the same. He is really a
: machine, not human. :) It really is amazing. Schumacher always looks
: totally fresh. David was perspiring but not too badly. Mika took off the
: helment and his hair was drenched in perspiration. He also looked tired.
Hmmm. He did the the strenght to lift david up just after he got
got out of the car. But so he should be cause he drove like shit.
I sure hope it was only about setup(I seem to remeber certain Scot
having huge problems in Melbourne last year...)
Stef De Groot
-=> Quoting "Jeroen Cramer" to All <=-
"C> Furthermore, and I'm not sure of this so correct me if I'm wrong, I
"C> believe both drivers had a different strategy aswell. Didn't Coulthard
"C> come in twice en Mika only once ????
Sorry to correct you, but they both came in once.
Bye,
Stef.
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Christian Ehrnrooth
Sandy Morton wrote:
>
> Marco Ribke <ri...@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have an explanation why Coulthard was so much faster
> than
> > Häkkinen in the race and in the qualifying? Did Mika choose the
> wrong
> > tyres? In the past Mika and David achieved similar times but in
> > Melbourne David was about half second faster than Mika and about 20
> > seconds in the race.
>
>
> Sandy Millport
> on the bicycle island
As a very slightly biased Finn; Mika did drive the spare car! Don't know what effect it had on his performance,
though. In an interview he said he had some slight balance problem and he was slowed down by other cars at his
last flying qualifying lap which appeared to be faster than any other lap, but nevertheless he was slower than
David the whole weekend. I think they are both great drivers and probably very equal, but they both have good
days and bad days. Last year (and in 1995) David had more bad days than Mika and that's why I've made a bet on
Mika ending up higher in the WC standing at the end of the season.
X-ian
Finland