Mark Donohue, again

[iver...@cc.tacom.army.mil]

The question regarding Mark Donohue reminded me of
his demise. Mark had a total of 14 Grand prix starts
to his resume, and finished with 8 career points.
Hardly a testimony to his greatness as a driver.
All of his starts were with Roger Penske, while he made
his foray into F1. Penske used a Mclaren Chassis in 1971
where Mark finished 3rd in Canada. Mark made 1 other start
that year, at the US GP.
Mark was back in 1974 with Penske, as Roger's team ran
their own chassis. Again Mark ran only in Canada and the US.
In 1975, Mark was to run a full season for Penske, and managed
a couple of 5th place finishes, although by the end of the season
the cars were dubbed "March" rather than "Penske".
It was at the Austrian GP (Osterreichring) where Donohue had his
accident, in practice, where a martial was killed and another
seriously injured. It was thought that a deflating tire caused the
accident. He seemed well after the crash and was up and talking.
Later though, he became unconcious and died 3 days later in a Graz
hospital. Surgery to the brain was unable to save him. He was 37.

Art

[loo...@bbs.ug.eds.com]

In article <9411067867....@tacom-ccmail4.local>, iver...@cc.tacom.army.mil writes:
> Mark was back in 1974 with Penske, as Roger's team ran
> their own chassis. Again Mark ran only in Canada and the US.
> In 1975, Mark was to run a full season for Penske, and managed
> a couple of 5th place finishes, although by the end of the season
> the cars were dubbed "March" rather than "Penske".

The reason the cars were 'dubbed' "March" is because the PC1 and PC2 were
difficult cars to drive, so Penske bought a March 751 to use until they could
figure out the handling on the PC series. Mark was driving the March when he
had his accident.

Ben

[Dan Jones]

I believe that Donohue was back in the Penske at Austria. I'll check various
sources at home later. He had raced the March in the previous two races at
Silverstone and Nurburgring however.

Dan Jones

[Kristian Steenstrup]

iver...@cc.tacom.army.mil wrote:

: accident, in practice, where a martial was killed and another

: seriously injured. It was thought that a deflating tire caused the
: accident. He seemed well after the crash and was up and talking.
: Later though, he became unconcious and died 3 days later in a Graz
: hospital. Surgery to the brain was unable to save him. He was 37.

: Art
As a foot note to this.... didn't his family successfuly sue GoodYear for
a shit load of money over the accident.
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[Dan Jones]

I was wrong, Donohue was still driving the March in Austria, there are
pictures in the 75/76 AutoCourse. I thought that I remember Donohue driving
the PC3, but maybe that was only a test or I don't remember correctly.
Anyway, sorry about the mis-information.

Dan Jones

[Idealogically Impaired]

In article <D0rEH...@minbne.mincom.oz.au>, kr...@mincom.oz.au ( Kristian Steenstrup) writes:
>iver...@cc.tacom.army.mil wrote:

>: accident, in practice, where a martial was killed and another
>: seriously injured. It was thought that a deflating tire caused the
>: accident. He seemed well after the crash and was up and talking.
>: Later though, he became unconcious and died 3 days later in a Graz
>: hospital. Surgery to the brain was unable to save him. He was 37.

>As a foot note to this.... didn't his family successfuly sue GoodYear for

>a shit load of money over the accident.

I don't remeber the family sueing Goodyear, but didn't his
wife succesfully sue Bell Helmets?

Michael Stucker | stu...@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com
Anadrill Schlumberger | You don't want to know Anadrill's opinion.
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get a job." -- P.J. O'Rourke

[Mark Jackson]

stu...@aslvx1.sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (Idealogically Impaired) writes:

>I don't remeber the family sueing Goodyear, but didn't his
>wife succesfully sue Bell Helmets?

Eden Donohue did pursue Goodyear with a multi-million dollar (US)
lawsuit; it was settled out-of-court.

Source: Alan Henry's /Formula One: Driver By Driver/.

--
Mark Jackson - http://alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
"Is it possible to see this simple business as obscure and mysterious?
We must try."
- J. S. Bell

[Chris Prael]

In article 7...@sndsu1.sedalia.sinet.slb.com, stu...@aslvx1.sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (Idealogically Impaired) writes:
>In article <D0rEH...@minbne.mincom.oz.au>, kr...@mincom.oz.au ( Kristian Steenstrup) writes:
>>iver...@cc.tacom.army.mil wrote:
>>: accident, in practice, where a martial was killed and another
>>: seriously injured. It was thought that a deflating tire caused the
>>: accident. He seemed well after the crash and was up and talking.
>>: Later though, he became unconcious and died 3 days later in a Graz
>>: hospital. Surgery to the brain was unable to save him. He was 37.
>>As a foot note to this.... didn't his family successfuly sue GoodYear for
>>a shit load of money over the accident.
>I don't remeber the family sueing Goodyear, but didn't his
>wife succesfully sue Bell Helmets?

Mark Donohue's EX-wife sued Goodyear Tire, in the name of his children, claiming
that the tire that failed was defective. Goodyear was supported in their defense
by the whole racing community in the U.S. Goodyear won.

I don't remember hearing of a suit against Bell. If there was one, it probably
would not have gotten as far as the tire suit because of Snell certification.

Chris Prael

[Rod Ashcraft]

>
>Mark Donohue's EX-wife sued Goodyear Tire, in the name of his children, claiming
>that the tire that failed was defective. Goodyear was supported in their defense
>by the whole racing community in the U.S. Goodyear won.
>
>I don't remember hearing of a suit against Bell. If there was one, it probably
>would not have gotten as far as the tire suit because of Snell certification.
>
>Chris Prael

Chris,
This is all from an old Car and Driver article I ran across this weekend.
The suit was brought on by Donohue's widow (ex or current wife is not
stated). Bell Helmets was included in the suit and they paid the Donohue
estate $75,000 in an out-of-court settlement. The jury decided that the
Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company should pay Donohue's widow and two teen-
age sons $9.6 million in damages. With interest the award amounted to
$19,584,000.

Goodyear did bring in Andretti, Lauda, and Gurney to testify. But the
judge ruled that Lauda and Andretti were not qualified tire experts
and prevented them from telling the jury why they believed the tire
failed.

I assume Goodyear appealed and I do not know the outcome, but whatever
Goodyear did not win and Bell was included (as well as others my memory
says Penske, March, and others).

Rod

[johnso...@gmail.com]

Settlement of Mark Donohue's Estate Reached
April 10, 1986

An out-of-court settlement was reached Wednesday at Providence, R.I., in the appeal of a $9.6-million Superior Court verdict awarded the estate of race driver Mark Donohue, killed during practice for the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix.

The verdict of April, 1984, the largest ever returned in a Rhode Island state court, had been appealed to the state Supreme Court by the Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. of Akron, Ohio, and by the Penske Corp. of Reading, Pa.

Donohue's heirs claimed that his death stemmed from negligence on the part of Goodyear, which made the left front tire that blew out on Donohue's Formula One racer, and on the part of the Penske Corp., owner of the car.

Under the terms of the settlement, the amount of which was not disclosed, Donohue's widow, Eden Donohue Rafshoon, will share the money with Donohue's two teen-age sons.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-10/sports/sp-3233_1_mark-donohue

[bra]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:54:05 AM UTC-7, johnso...@gmail.com wrote:

The nightmare of insurance. When is a spectator "on" the concrete barrier? https://4.imimg.com/data4/CB/HA/MY-2407312/cement-road-divider-500x500.jpg

At our local races [temporary track], there is a single concrete spectator fence, and as announcer I constantly call "Get off the barrier". Young fans manage to prop their knees against the back of the barrier and cantilever themselves over it for a better view, without touching the top:
"I'm not ON the barrier, not actually ON it, see ----".

What I need is a decent .177 air rifle.

[News]

Just show them video of Wickens' crash into and over the SAFER barrier,
and into and tearing down a hundred feet of cable-stayed catch fence.

[Alan Baker]

Last event at Mission was the BC Historic Motor Races, and that same
weekend, the BC Customer Car Association was hosting a big show and
shine event; one that was large enough that they were using the parking
lot quite close to our fastest two turns leading onto the main straight.

While we had a tape line up telling people to stay clear, of course
there were some people—perhaps a couple of dozen who wandered up very
close to the outside of those turns, and we had to send the safety team
over to shoo them away.

I hope everyone who had to chase out of the area was still watching a
couple of sessions later when a Formula Vee lost a wheel (and brake
drum!—it was actually the axle nut that came off) and it went careering
down the track right through the area where they'd all been standing.

[~misfit~]

I have one of those. I've been using it lately to kill Australian Eastern
Rosellas that come to my garden to rip the flowers off my prunus
campanulata. I got another one yesterday.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 6:21:30 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I've been using it lately to kill Australian Eastern
> Rosellas

You cunt.

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 6:21:30 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I got another one yesterday.

Oh, the big hunter.
Fuck off, stupid.

[bra]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:21:30 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet bra wrote:

> > What I need is a decent .177 air rifle.
>
> I have one of those. I've been using it lately to kill Australian Eastern
> Rosellas that come to my garden to rip the flowers off my prunus
> campanulata. I got another one yesterday.
> --
> Shaun.

I am gonna have to look them up, aren't I? Damn. :-)

The great nutcase Spike Milligan was once hauled into court for shooting at cats that intruded into his garden in Hampstead. Good old Spike.

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet bra wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:21:30 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Once upon a time on usenet bra wrote:
>
>>> What I need is a decent .177 air rifle.
>>
>> I have one of those. I've been using it lately to kill Australian
>> Eastern Rosellas that come to my garden to rip the flowers off my
>> prunus campanulata. I got another one yesterday.
>> --
>> Shaun.
>
> I am gonna have to look them up, aren't I? Damn. :-)
>
> The great nutcase Spike Milligan was once hauled into court for
> shooting at cats that intruded into his garden in Hampstead. Good old
> Spike.

They're an escaped cage bird here in New Zealand. My main gripes with them
are that they make a horrible squawk (I like birdsong) and they ravage the
tree that I planted to feed native birds. The tree in question, prunus
campanulatus or Taiwanese cherry blossom, holds blossoms for about a month
and native nectar eating birds really benefit from it as it flowers right
before their breeding cycle starts.

The native birds will come back to the same flower up to 10 times a day and
each bloom lasts about 3 weeks. Over 200 'feeds' per blossom. The rosellas
however lack the proper mouthparts to sip nectar so they rip the flowers off
the tree, roll them around in their beaks then drop them. A pair of rosellas
can denude a tree that will feed 15 tuis (the most I've counted feeding in
the tree at once) for a month in not much more than a day. They also bully
the native birds are chase them from the tree. A parrot beak is far more
formidable than a nectar-eating bird's beak.

There are other reasons to cull rosellas - they are carriers of at least two
parrot-specific diseases. New Zealand has some of the strangest and rarest
parrots in the world and they have no defense to these diseases. Also the
rosella only nests in holes in tree trunks, a niche that is getting rarer by
the year. We have a similar but far more timid native parakeet (The
kakariki) that is currently only to be found on a few
mammalian-predator-free offshore islands that also only nests in tree
hollows. If it ever to be re-introduced to the mainland it will need nesting
sites.

Lastly the rosellas are prolific breeders capable of raising 18 chicks a
season given plentiful food. There used to be a guy in my area who had a far
more powerful and long-range weapon than my air rifle (he uses a 17 HMR) who
would cull around 50 rosellas a year without leaving his farm. I haven't
seen any posts / reports from him in the forums he used to frequent for a
few years now and I've noticed a big up-tick in rosella numbers...

So whenever I hear them in the tree in my back garden I break out the
(affordable) Chinese air rifle (but using German ammunition though, H&N
Sport Barracuda Hunter Extreme is very accurate and drops them like flies
out to 50 yards) and usually if I'm quiet I get one... I might have to
re-sit my firearms licence that I let lapse and get me one of those 17 HMRs
though. They weren't around back when I used to shoot more and they look
bloody deadly for 'varmints'. I always enjoyed going for slow quiet walks
while reducing the rabbit population *and* getting food and those 17 HMRs
look much better than the .22 LR I used to use for rabbits.

Cheers,

[texa...@gmail.com]

fuck off

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:26:53 PM UTC-6, bra wrote:

> I am gonna have to look them up, aren't I? Damn. :-)

Grow a fucking spine.
Misfart has told you in the past,
that you are a fucking piece of shit.

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:46:29 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> My main gripes with them

Too many gripes with you,
you miserable bitch.
That's why you are in
your pathetic state.

[fnot]

Bird murderer !
I have a cat that deals with that.
He has this thing when he's done catching and playing with it
he crushes the skull with his maw and I think drinks the brain.
A bit like F1 politics...or not.

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:46:29 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> My main gripes with them are that they make a horrible squawk

Great. Fuck off with your secondary gripes.

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:46:29 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> those 17 HMRs
> look much better than the .22 LR I used to use for rabbits.

you stupid cunt

[bra]

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 9:46:29 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
There used to be a guy in my area who [ ---- ]

> would cull around 50 rosellas a year without leaving his farm.

"Guns don't cull, people cull."

To Cull a Mockingbird.

Oh boy, you may have started a long thread :-)

My pests are deer and black bears who strip my fruit trees, but I only say SHOO!

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet bra wrote:

> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 9:46:29 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
> There used to be a guy in my area who [ ---- ]
>> would cull around 50 rosellas a year without leaving his farm.
>
> "Guns don't cull, people cull."
>
> To Cull a Mockingbird.
>
> Oh boy, you may have started a long thread :-)

T'was simply the fact that I put my .177 air rifle down, opened my laptop
and saw a post from you mentioning a .177 air rifle...

> My pests are deer and black bears who strip my fruit trees, but I
> only say SHOO!

I tried that with the rosellas but they only come back (and they're not
movement-limited by disability). Also as an exotic species they're
considered a pest by any right-thinking person (ignoring all of the morons
who say "aww but they're sooo pretty!") so culling them is actually good for
the environment. I'm not sure about deer and black bears?

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet fnot wrote:
> Bird murderer !
> I have a cat that deals with that.
> He has this thing when he's done catching and playing with it
> he crushes the skull with his maw and I think drinks the brain.
> A bit like F1 politics...or not.

LOL! The problem with the cat approach is they're more harmful for the
environment than the rosellas - I'd shoot the cats that come on my property
if I didn't value mt good rleationships with my nieghbours. As well as
killing native wildlife they piss everywhere (including and especially on my
cars mudflaps for some reason) and in high summer often drop fleas on my
deck and pathways. I *hate* fleas.

--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

[texa...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 5:40:23 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I *hate* fleas.

Ya you hate everything.
Got it.
You miserable bitch.