Jewish drivers in F1?
BIG-MAX
Hi all!
A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
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Kim Andrews
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:11 GMT, weis...@netvision.net.il (BIG-MAX)
wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
I've never known any of them well enough to find out. ;o)
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Al Fox
Not only were there 2 Jewish drivers in F1, there were 2 Jewish WORLD
CHAMPIONS as well - Jody Shekter and Rene Dreyfus!
Peter Revson was born Jewish but shortly before he was killed he
converted to Christianity and his funereal was held at a Unitarian
Church in New York.
-Al
Ric
Why would it matter?
Is this one of those things were a certain ethnic group has to be in b/c
its a ethnic group thing?
Yes there were jewish drivers, but lets hope they got to drive b/c of
talent, not religion similarities with others..
BIG-MAX wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
>
Barry Posner
Kim Andrews <k...@foca.co.uk> wrote:
: >A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
: I've never known any of them well enough to find out. ;o)
Care to tell us which of the current crop are "Jewish"? ;)
I'm assuming you're the authority on such matters, non?
bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?
Cheek Sr.
Kim Andrews wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:11 GMT, weis...@netvision.net.il (BIG-MAX)
> wrote:
>
> >Hi all!
> >
>
> I've never known any of them well enough to find out. ;o)
>
Oooh,Kimbo,you're BA-A-AD! But,as the saying goes,good girls go to
Heaven,bad girls go just about anywhere they like.Guess I'll cut it
short here.
Doc
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> BIG-MAX wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
Al Fox correctly cited Jody Scheckter, South Africa's first
F1 world champion. Jody had a lot in common with Damon Hill:
talented though modest, great sense of humour, devoted
husband, non-playboy type. In praise of Jody, I believe
he was every bit as good as the multiple WCs of that time:
Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, except that he ended his career
prematurely, probably as a result of the high number of
driver fatalities in his era: Jochen Rindt, Francois Cevert,
Peter Revson, Tom Pryce, Ronnie Peterson etc. A few anecdotes
of his life:
I was a young kid when he won in front of his home crowd
at Kyalami, either 76 or 78. He had gone on a charge in the
Tyrell, till he caught the leader close to the end. On his
victory lap the crowds could not be contained and flooded the
track. The atmosphere was fantastic and he was overjoyed.
Many years after he had left SA I heard stories of
how he had driven Army trucks like they had never been
driven before while doing military service. Its a sign of
a major talent when people remember incidents like that
years down the line. His passengers would be utterly terrified,
but he never lost the back!
He used to write a column for Autosport, usually a
humerous recount of the latest GP. One year at the old
Nurburgring he had gone off very far from civilization, and
he had to climb a tree to get away from drunk German race
fans - he wasn't sure what they wanted to do to him but
he didn't wait to find out. He waited in the tree until
they went away.
Jody married Pam, an American girl, and they now live in
the USA.
-john (a Jody Fan).
Vincent Ho
Al Fox <af...@osborn-eng.com> wrote:
: Not only were there 2 Jewish drivers in F1, there were 2 Jewish WORLD
: CHAMPIONS as well - Jody Shekter and Rene Dreyfus!
: Peter Revson was born Jewish but shortly before he was killed he
: converted to Christianity and his funereal was held at a Unitarian
: Church in New York.
: -Al
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In article <33f376a...@client.news.psi.net>, af...@osborn-eng.com (Al
Fox) writes:
>Not only were there 2 Jewish drivers in F1, there were 2 Jewish WORLD
>CHAMPIONS as well - Jody Shekter and Rene Dreyfus!
>
>Peter Revson was born Jewish but shortly before he was killed he
>converted to Christianity and his funereal was held at a Unitarian
>Church in New York.
l
Francois Cevert's father was a Jew named Charles Goldenberg.
The following quote was taken from "Francois Cevert A Contract With Death" :
Charles Goldenberg...had been only four years old when, his parents fled
from the Russian pogroms to France
He was drawn to the jewellery business, and in 1923 he invested his small
savings and joined his brothers, opening a small retail shop in the
Boulevard de Clichy (Paris). He worked hard and became prosperous.
Just before the war broke out, Charles Goldenberg met a very beautiful
girl with bright eyes. She was tall - 5'11" - and her name was Huguette
Cevert. It was the beginning of a love story which neither the war nor
racial persecution could stop.
The collapse of France had taken Huguette Cevert to Vaudelnay, in the
Maine et Loire. The Armistice with the Germans brought her back to Paris.
Charles and Huguette decided to rent a small flat in the Boulevard Berthier
in the name of Miss Cevert. Under the name of Charles Goldenberg he rented
a maid's room on the eighth floor of the same block. No one was to
establish a link between the two tenants.
"I saw no-one,' says Mme Cevert, 'We had no domestic help, I never used
the phone, no-one came to the house. My father had gone into retirement;
but my mother was unwilling to leave me. Such was our discretion that it
was four years before my father discovered where his wife and daughter were
living.'
Meanwhile the little jeweller joined the Resistance and worked on the
Marco Polo line. A notice as posted on the wall of the Batignolles Town
Hall which said that the Germans were looking for this man who was 'a
danger to the security of the Reich.'
No one ever found out where he was hiding, for when he went home at night
he took every possible precaution. If he was followed he used to lose
himself amoung the modern blocks in the district. The Germans never found him.
One evening there was a knock on the foor of the flat opposite Mme
Cevert's. It was the Feldgendarm. They were looking for a man. 'I can't
help you, answered the neighbor. 'I'm the oldest tenant in the block; but
the name means nothing to me. Have you tried across the landing?' Over
there, it turns out to be a young couple with children. 'I really don't
know anyone of that name.' The Germans searched to flat and went.
They were looking for Charles "Galdenbert.'
In spite of the difficulties of those times, three children were born
Elie, Francois and Jacqueline. They were born Cevert and registered in
their mother's maiden name.
That is why Francois was not called after his father.
Sorry for the rather extensive quote but I thought it was an interesting
story and the book is probably not in everyone's collection.
Francois was killed at Watkins Glen on October 6, 1973 during practice for
the USGP. He was #2 driver to Jackie Stewart on the Tyrrell team.
Tyrrell and Stewart withdrew from the race which was to have been Stewart's
100th and last GP.
Sally Sotirovich
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Probably the best Jewish driver was Jody Scheckter, 1979 World Champion.
But, racing is the same for all faiths---- they all pray for the best
drive!!!!
Cheek Sr.
Ric wrote:
>
> Why would it matter?
> Is this one of those things were a certain ethnic group has to be in b/c
> its a ethnic group thing?
>
> Yes there were jewish drivers, but lets hope they got to drive b/c of
> talent, not religion similarities with others..
>
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
Niki Lauda signed himself "The Jew" when he wrote to Mr Ferrari from
his hospital bed after the 'Ring in 1976.
Martin Ursua
Ric (ScrewJun...@Fo.com) wrote:
: Why would it matter?
: Is this one of those things were a certain ethnic group has to be in b/c
: its a ethnic group thing?
Jeez... Is curiousity politically incorrect now?
Martin
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Jo Martin
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:54:23 +0000, "Cheek Sr." <kare...@sn.no>
wrote:
>Ric wrote:
>>
>> Why would it matter?
>> Is this one of those things were a certain ethnic group has to be in b/c
>> its a ethnic group thing?
>>
>> Yes there were jewish drivers, but lets hope they got to drive b/c of
>> talent, not religion similarities with others..
>>
>> BIG-MAX wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all!
>> >
>> > A question: were there, or are there any jewish F1 drivers?
>
>Niki Lauda signed himself "The Jew" when he wrote to Mr Ferrari from
>his hospital bed after the 'Ring in 1976.
>Doc
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Alain Prost is Jewish. His (derogatory) nickname in France was "The
little Jew". He never had a large following from the (mainly
Catholic) French, even when he became the first French champion.
Jo
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In article <5t1re8$923$1...@owl.slip.net>,
Vincent Ho <h...@slip.net> wrote:
>
> : Peter Revson was born Jewish but shortly before he was killed he
> : converted to Christianity and his funereal was held at a Unitarian
> : Church in New York.
Vincent certainly knows more about Peter than I, and what he says may be
all true. However, if what Peter did was join a Unitarian church, this
does not necessarily mean that he converted to Christianity (though he
may have). Just a note (as we drift away from the original subject).
Roger
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: Alain Prost is Jewish. His (derogatory) nickname in France was "The
: little Jew". He never had a large following from the (mainly
: Catholic) French, even when he became the first French champion.
Nice joke - I assume (hope) you're not serious (you're not that silly, are
you?). He's Catholic - he's even had a private meeting with the Pope!
Anthony.
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