Senna & Piquet
Jeff Carder
I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and early
90's. A lot of people are aware of this intense rivalry and the
circumstances behind it, but I read that Senna had a real problem with
Nelson Piquet as well. I was not aware of any such conflict, does
anyone know what went on between the two that led to such animosity
toward Piquet by Senna?
Christian Ehrnrooth
I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview that he thinks Senna is weird. He also
said something like: "I'm not saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any girlfriends." How did Senna
react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
X-ian
Finland
Dillon Pyron
And then there was the claim by Senna to have slept with 30 women in one
night, to which Piquet replied "You may have slept with them, but I know
what really should be done" :-)
Brazilian ego may be a stereotype, but those two sure seemed to typify
it.
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Carl F. Galeana
Jeff Carder wrote:
>
> I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
> several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and early
> 90's. A lot of people are aware of this intense rivalry and the
> circumstances behind it, but I read that Senna had a real problem with
> Nelson Piquet as well. I was not aware of any such conflict, does
> anyone know what went on between the two that led to such animosity
> toward Piquet by Senna?
young punk Senna came and ruined things. That is basically it. Piquets
eho could not handle the fact that the greatest driver in the world was
coming up and would wax anything Piquet would achieve. He was very
bitter. He treated Senna like crap when Senna was coming into F1. Piquet
never took Senna under his wing when Senna was a rookie as did Senna to
his young and upcoming countrymen.
It reached it's zenith when Piquet accused Senna of being gay to which
Senna sued Piquet. I forget what actually happend, or if it ever went to
court but Piquet fairly well repented.
Senna and Prost was a rivalry in the most honorable tradition, Piquet?
he can go on knowing that he saw the greatest and the greatest walked
all over him where it mattered, not in the press but on the track.
Carl
Malcolm Spier
Carl F. Galeana (cgal...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
Or maybe it was something to do with the fact that Piquet stole Senna's
girlfriend ? Most, if not all, of the bitterness and certainly the 'gay'
jibe came after this event. I am not saying that there wasn't trouble
between them before, but all the trouble I know about came after Piquet
stole her.
As far as taking people under your wing is concerned, is this something
drivers are expected to do then ? How many French drivers did Prost do
this for ? Did Brundle and co. look after Hill ? Will Frentzen and MS be
looking after Ralf Schumacher ? And who did Senna take under his wing and
protect ? I know Barrichello looked up to him but cannot think of any
other young Brazilian F1 drivers Senna guided in this manner.
Anyway, before accusing Piquet of never helping anybody you really ought
to ask someone like Roberto Moreno, or many of his team mates in the days
before he went to Williams. His differences with Mansell are widely
reported but I have read much praise for him from other team mates and
Moreno has a lot of good things to say.
Another incident Piquet is often criticised for is punching the driver
(whose name inexplicably escapes me) back at the start of the 80's. What
is not so often mentioned is that Piquet had taken the young man under his
wing and helped and guided him. Piquet is on record as citing the betrayal
he felt at being taken out by a back marker who he had helped so much as
being a factor in the rage which caused him to throw the punch. He was
wrong to throw the punch and is guilty of many things but not of failing
to look after newbie drivers.
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The Senna-Piquet rivalry has it roots in a) Brazil: Senna was a Paulista,
Piquet from the interior, b) Senna arrived on the scene, just as Piquet's
star was fading, c) Senna's focused lifestyle contrasted greatly with
Piquet's sybaritic one and d) somehow Piquet was never as popular in
Brazil as Emerson, and then came Senna, who was light-years more popular
than Piquet.
FYI: Piquet punched Eliseo Salazar.
Earl Ma
In article <5870st$o...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, ms...@bton.ac.uk says...
>Another incident Piquet is often criticised for is punching the driver
>(whose name inexplicably escapes me) back at the start of the 80's. What
>is not so often mentioned is that Piquet had taken the young man under his
>wing and helped and guided him. Piquet is on record as citing the betrayal
>he felt at being taken out by a back marker who he had helped so much as
>being a factor in the rage which caused him to throw the punch. He was
>wrong to throw the punch and is guilty of many things but not of failing
>to look after newbie drivers.
I don't recall him ever punching Salazar, just kicking him a lot and maybe
a shove or two...And not to defend Piquet for this, but such on-track
manuevers aren't exactly unprecedented for Salazar, as Luyendyk and
Davy Jones will readily attest to...
Earl
Derek Tidman
In article <32A74E...@lmf.ericsson.se>
christian...@lmf.ericsson.se "Christian Ehrnrooth" writes:
:-Jeff Carder wrote:
:->
:-> I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
:-> several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and early
:-> 90's. A lot of people are aware of this intense rivalry and the
:-> circumstances behind it, but I read that Senna had a real problem with
:-> Nelson Piquet as well. I was not aware of any such conflict, does
:-> anyone know what went on between the two that led to such animosity
:-> toward Piquet by Senna?
:-
:-I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview that
:- he thinks Senna is weird. He also
:-said something like: "I'm not saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any
:- girlfriends." How did Senna
:-react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
I can't be sure but I think he was the source of the label
"the Sao Paulo taxi driver".
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Julie Miles
Malcolm Spier said...
> Or maybe it was something to do with the fact that Piquet stole Senna's
> girlfriend ? Most, if not all, of the bitterness and certainly the 'gay'
> jibe came after this event. I am not saying that there wasn't trouble
> between them before, but all the trouble I know about came after Piquet
> stole her.
And Christian Ehrnrooth said...
> I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview
> that he thinks Senna is weird. He also said something like: "I'm not
> saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any girlfriends." How did
> Senna react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
Okay guys, make your minds up. Which is the correct version?
Cheers,
Julie
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can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Opinions are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer
Herbert Eitel
Dillon Pyron wrote:
> And then there was the claim by Senna to have slept with 30 women in one
> night, to which Piquet replied "You may have slept with them, but I know
> what really should be done" :-)
> Brazilian ego may be a stereotype, but those two sure seemed to typify
> it.
Oh dear, they seemed to be a special sort of kids, and these
guys where the heroes of F1??
--
Herbert
Still a fan of Johnny?:-)
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João Pedro
ms...@bton.ac.uk (Malcolm Spier) wrote:
>Carl F. Galeana (cgal...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: Jeff Carder wrote:
>: >
>: > I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
>: > several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and early
>: > 90's. A lot of people are aware of this intense rivalry and the
>: > circumstances behind it, but I read that Senna had a real problem with
>: > Nelson Piquet as well. I was not aware of any such conflict, does
>: > anyone know what went on between the two that led to such animosity
>: > toward Piquet by Senna?
>: It's simple. Piquet was the darling hero of Brazilians and then this
>: young punk Senna came and ruined things. That is basically it. Piquets
>: eho could not handle the fact that the greatest driver in the world was
>: coming up and would wax anything Piquet would achieve. He was very
>: bitter. He treated Senna like crap when Senna was coming into F1. Piquet
>: never took Senna under his wing when Senna was a rookie as did Senna to
>: his young and upcoming countrymen.
>: It reached it's zenith when Piquet accused Senna of being gay to which
>: Senna sued Piquet. I forget what actually happend, or if it ever went to
>: court but Piquet fairly well repented.
>: Senna and Prost was a rivalry in the most honorable tradition, Piquet?
>: he can go on knowing that he saw the greatest and the greatest walked
>: all over him where it mattered, not in the press but on the track.
>: Carl
>Or maybe it was something to do with the fact that Piquet stole Senna's
>girlfriend ? Most, if not all, of the bitterness and certainly the 'gay'
>jibe came after this event. I am not saying that there wasn't trouble
>between them before, but all the trouble I know about came after Piquet
>stole her.
>As far as taking people under your wing is concerned, is this something
>drivers are expected to do then ? How many French drivers did Prost do
>this for ? Did Brundle and co. look after Hill ? Will Frentzen and MS be
>looking after Ralf Schumacher ? And who did Senna take under his wing and
>protect ? I know Barrichello looked up to him but cannot think of any
>other young Brazilian F1 drivers Senna guided in this manner.
>Anyway, before accusing Piquet of never helping anybody you really ought
>to ask someone like Roberto Moreno, or many of his team mates in the days
>before he went to Williams. His differences with Mansell are widely
>reported but I have read much praise for him from other team mates and
>Moreno has a lot of good things to say.
>Another incident Piquet is often criticised for is punching the driver
>(whose name inexplicably escapes me)
(Eliseo Salazar, I think)
back at the start of the 80's. What
>is not so often mentioned is that Piquet had taken the young man under his
>wing and helped and guided him. Piquet is on record as citing the betrayal
>he felt at being taken out by a back marker who he had helped so much as
>being a factor in the rage which caused him to throw the punch. He was
>wrong to throw the punch and is guilty of many things but not of failing
>to look after newbie drivers.
> --
N.Smart
Senna was a bit annoyed at Piquet, either when he had just started F1
or a bit b4 he went to see Piquet for some help. Piquet basically told
him to piss off. According to the Hilton book, Senna at this point was
determined to show Piquet he was better.
Also Piquet as is well known called him the Sau Paulo taxi driver, and
hinted he was the better driver because he won his championships in
different cars.
Nick
Bruno Melli
Malcolm Spier (ms...@bton.ac.uk) wrote:
: As far as taking people under your wing is concerned, is this something
: drivers are expected to do then ? How many French drivers did Prost do
: this for ?
Didn't Prost take Alesi under his wing at Ferrari ? As far as I can tell
these 2 a pretty good friends.
bruno.
Cesar D'Agord
>:-Jeff Carder wrote:
>:->
>:-> I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
>:-> several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and early
>:-> 90's. A lot of people are aware of this intense rivalry and the
>:-> circumstances behind it, but I read that Senna had a real problem with
>:-> Nelson Piquet as well. I was not aware of any such conflict, does
>:-> anyone know what went on between the two that led to such animosity
>:-> toward Piquet by Senna?
>:-
>:-I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview that
>:- he thinks Senna is weird. He also
>:-said something like: "I'm not saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any
>:- girlfriends." How did Senna
>:-react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
>I can't be sure but I think he was the source of the label
>"the Sao Paulo taxi driver".
I've heard that once Jackie Stewart took a taxi cab in Rio (or was it Sao
Paulo?) and made a comment to the order of "now I know how these guys
(Brazilians) get to learn how to drive so fast in F1" - probably after puking
and a new pair of shorts.
CD'A
Matt Peterson
In article <5870st$o...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>
ms...@bton.ac.uk (Malcolm Spier) writes:
> Anyway, before accusing Piquet of never helping anybody you really ought
> to ask someone like Roberto Moreno, or many of his team mates in the days
> before he went to Williams.
There was another brazilian...Olivier Beretta? Anyway, he was a so-so
F3000 driver, drove for a bottom rung F1 team, and then disapeared
after a year (94? 95?).
Matt Peterson
University of Kansas
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Matt Peterson
In article <32A74E...@lmf.ericsson.se>
Christian Ehrnrooth <christian...@lmf.ericsson.se> writes:
> I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview that he thinks Senna is weird. He also
> said something like: "I'm not saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any girlfriends." How did Senna
> react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
Well, Senna WAS weird. Short hair (when long was in), very geeky
looking, the far off Jesus Christ gaze. It wasn't until Berger came
along that Senna turned into a human being. I never got (pre-Berger)
the feeling that Senna was gay, but he was so focused that he seemed
asexual.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Senna. But it wasn't until he
met Berger that I became a fan of Senna the man.
Martin
In article <5870st$o...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, Malcolm Spier
<ms...@bton.ac.uk> writes>: > I was looking through some old Autosports this week and came across
>: > several references to the Senna-Prost rivalry of the late 80's and
early
><Big snip here>
>As far as taking people under your wing is concerned, is this something
>drivers are expected to do then ? How many French drivers did Prost do
>this for ? Did Brundle and co. look after Hill ? Will Frentzen and MS be
>looking after Ralf Schumacher ? And who did Senna take under his wing and
>protect ? I know Barrichello looked up to him but cannot think of any
>other young Brazilian F1 drivers Senna guided in this manner.
In Australia 1993, after the Senna/Irvine Incident, Senna helped
Barrichello with his set-up for that Grand Prix.
After Rubens set the fastest time on the straight, Senna explained to
him that Adelaide was not really about how fast you are on the straight,
but how quick you are in the corners !
Senna went on to win the race ! The last time a Mclaren won a race !
This information is taken from Jordans Book, 'RACE WITHOUT END'
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Homme Fatal
>In Australia 1993, after the Senna/Irvine Incident, Senna helped
>Barrichello with his set-up for that Grand Prix.
> After Rubens set the fastest time on the straight, Senna explained to
>him that Adelaide was not really about how fast you are on the straight,
>but how quick you are in the corners !
How could it be possible that Senna interfered with Jordan's
affair? Don't they have their own engineers to do the job?
>Senna went on to win the race ! The last time a Mclaren won a race !
Also the last time win for Senna.
Simon Dingles
mat...@stat1.cc.ukans.edu (Matt Peterson) wrote:
>There was another brazilian...Olivier Beretta? Anyway, he was a so-so
>F3000 driver, drove for a bottom rung F1 team, and then disapeared
>after a year (94? 95?).
I thought Beretta was Monegasque, but maybe I am mistaken!!
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In article <5870st$o...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, ms...@bton.ac.uk (Malcolm
Spier) wrote:
>As far as taking people under your wing is concerned, is this something
>drivers are expected to do then ? How many French drivers did Prost do
>this for ?
Jean Alesi was a kind of Prost student.
>Will Frentzen and MS be looking after Ralf Schumacher ? And who did Senna
>take under his wing and protect ? I know Barrichello looked up to him but
cannot >think of any other young Brazilian F1 drivers Senna guided in this
manner.
Michael will sure help his brother, he did it all time. Not in the fact to
the name, but he gave him tips in business things and such things
And Senna? He was taking position for Roberto Moreno after he was
displaced by Michael Schumacher at Benetton.
Andre
Andy Lambert
akacz...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Michael will sure help his brother, he did it all time. Not in the fact to
> the name, but he gave him tips in business things and such things
> And Senna? He was taking position for Roberto Moreno after he was
> displaced by Michael Schumacher at Benetton.
I remember seeing Roberto in tears on TV about this (and that it was a
very moving thing even for a British fan like me), but I can't remember
why. Was it because he still had a drive, or because it was with Senna?
Do any of you Brazilian fans remember?
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In article <58c5l9$j...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Homme Fatal
<cal...@umich.edu> writes
>>In Australia 1993, after the Senna/Irvine Incident, Senna helped
>>Barrichello with his set-up for that Grand Prix.
>
>> After Rubens set the fastest time on the straight, Senna explained to
>>him that Adelaide was not really about how fast you are on the straight,
>>but how quick you are in the corners !
>
>How could it be possible that Senna interfered with Jordan's
>affair? Don't they have their own engineers to do the job?
Yes, of course Jordan have their own engineers !
Senna was just giving a friendly bit of advice for his fellow
countryman, 'taking him under his wing' if you like !
akacz...@aol.com
In article <85000907...@bullet.demon.co.uk>,
si...@bullet.demon.co.uk (Simon "Dingles") wrote:
>
>>There was another brazilian...Olivier Beretta? Anyway, he was a so-so
>>F3000 driver, drove for a bottom rung F1 team, and then disapeared
>>after a year (94? 95?).
>
>I thought Beretta was Monegasque, but maybe I am mistaken!!
No you are right. I think he was the first and only driver who had a real
home grand-prix at Monao. :-)
Andre
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
I happen to remember well this incident (memory is a strange thing.
Things that happened to me and I should remember are long forgotten and
I still remember vividly an unimportant event that I read about in the
newspaper):
And Christian Ehrnrooth said...
> I remember one thing from 1986 or something. Piquet said in an interview
> that he thinks Senna is weird. He also said something like: "I'm not
> saying he's necesserely gay, but he never has any girlfriends."
The incident happened during a Brazillian GP. Piquet was talking with
several reporters and someone asked why Senna was not there (at the
circuit) ? Piquet replied "So that he doesn't need to explain why he
doesn't like women."
This was just an example of Piquet's sense of humor, which is not
always appreciated (someone knows Mansell's wife opinion ?)
But the newspapers printed that in the front page the next morning.
Senna was not happy.
> > How did Senna react? He took Piquet's girlfriend...
Well, in that day he reacted by instructing his lawyer to write a
letter to Piquet threatening legal action against him. Piquet's lawyer
wrote the legalese equivalent of "Sorry, just kidding" and the incident
seemed to stop there.
BTW, a little know fact about Senna: he was divorced. He was married
for an year or so, when he was beginning his international (British,
actually) career, but it didn't last.
BTW2, it always stroke me that both Piquet and Senna fairly matched the
stereotypes of their respective cities:
- Piquet was born in Rio de Janeiro. He is the son of a politician,
and Rio used to be the capital before Brasilia was built. Later
Piquet's father was transfered.
The stereotype of the Carioca (Rio's inhabitant) is someone that
lives to party and Piquet had the fame of spending his time in the
box with some beautiful girl. I read some time ago that once he had
2 sons one week apart (from different women, obviously).
- Senna was from S~ao Paulo. The stereotypical Paulista is an hard-
-working person. One of the images I remember of Senna was he
being massaged and, at the same time, choosing gear ratios in a
piece of paper.
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I think it was because Roberto Moreno was a very close friend of Piquet,
so he had reasons to be surprised for Senna trying to help him, and even
getting in trouble with Flavio Briatore in the process.
I remember Moreno saying then that he had never felt obliged to hate Senna
just because he was a friend of Piquet.
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Fraser Munro
>In Australia 1993, after the Senna/Irvine Incident, Senna helped
>Barrichello with his set-up for that Grand Prix.
> After Rubens set the fastest time on the straight, Senna explained to
>him that Adelaide was not really about how fast you are on the straight,
>but how quick you are in the corners !
Didn't Senna once give Rubens's Jordan an aerodynamic "tow" in qualifying for one
particular GP (possibly at Hockenheim). Just goes to show that Senna had no
problem with helping his young countryman.
Fraser
Andrew Robinson
In article <E27A6K.1rE.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, Fraser
Munro <f...@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes
>Didn't Senna once give Rubens's Jordan an aerodynamic "tow" in qualifying for
>one
>particular GP (possibly at Hockenheim). Just goes to show that Senna had no
>problem with helping his young countryman.
>
Your point is true, though.
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Jacquie
>| akacz...@aol.com wrote:
>| > And Senna? He was taking position for Roberto Moreno after he was
>| > displaced by Michael Schumacher at Benetton.
>|
>| I remember seeing Roberto in tears on TV about this (and that it was a
>| very moving thing even for a British fan like me), but I can't remember
>| why. Was it because he still had a drive, or because it was with Senna?
>|
>| Do any of you Brazilian fans remember?
The reason why Roberto was in tears was because he had just finished
second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
(helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
con affetto
Jacquie
j.a....@open.ac.uk & Jacqui...@msn.com
Christian Ehrnrooth
Jacquie wrote:
> The reason why Roberto was in tears was because he had just finished
> second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
> been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
> (helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
> where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
> championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
>
> But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
>
> con affetto
> Jacquie
>
Aguri Suzuki in a Larrousse-Lamborghini!(!) The Williams-Renaults of Patrese and Bpoutsen were 4th and 5th!
Saturo Nakajima finished 6th in a Tyrrell-Ford.
X-ian
Finland
Thomas Gmuer
Jacquie <j.a....@open.ac.uk> wrote:
> The reason why Roberto was in tears was because he had just finished
> second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
> been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
> (helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
> where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
> championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
>
> But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
Yes, a guy called Alain Prost!?! with a Ferrari ahead of Berger
(McLaren), Boutsen and Patrese (both Williams). And it was in Australia.
But you've got the rest right:-)
Thomas
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In article <598bm8$7...@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Jacquie (j.a....@open.ac.uk) writes:
>>| akacz...@aol.com wrote:
>>| > And Senna? He was taking position for Roberto Moreno after he was
>>| > displaced by Michael Schumacher at Benetton.
>>|
>>| I remember seeing Roberto in tears on TV about this (and that it was a
>>| very moving thing even for a British fan like me), but I can't remember
>>| why. Was it because he still had a drive, or because it was with Senna?
>>|
>>| Do any of you Brazilian fans remember?
>
>
>second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
>been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
>(helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
>where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
>championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
>
>But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
>
My money's on Aguri Suzuki
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:>In article <598bm8$7...@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Jacquie (j.a....@open.ac.uk) writes:
:>>>| akacz...@aol.com wrote:
:>>>| > And Senna? He was taking position for Roberto Moreno after he was
:>>>| > displaced by Michael Schumacher at Benetton.
:>>>|
:>>>| I remember seeing Roberto in tears on TV about this (and that it was a
:>>>| very moving thing even for a British fan like me), but I can't remember
:>>>| why. Was it because he still had a drive, or because it was with Senna?
:>>>|
:>>>| Do any of you Brazilian fans remember?
:>>
:>>
:>>The reason why Roberto was in tears was because he had just finished
:>>second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
:>>been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
:>>(helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
:>>where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
:>>championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
(dedicated by the Benetton team to Nannini). It was signed by Piquet and Moreno and Kitson,
it's a gorgeous print and I'm very thankful to have been able to score one from Speedgear
as they were cleaning house last year...
David (dabi...@vnet.ibm.com)
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Chris Jordan
Thomas Gmuer wrote:
> > The reason why Roberto was in tears was because he had just finished
> > second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
> > been recruited by Benetton to replace the injured Alessandro Nannini
> > (helicopter crash). I agree, it was very moving. It was the same race
> > where Ayrton Senna took Prost out at the first corner and took the
> > championship - sort of getting back at Prost for the year before.
> >
> > But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
>
> Yes, a guy called Alain Prost!?! with a Ferrari ahead of Berger
> (McLaren), Boutsen and Patrese (both Williams). And it was in Australia.
> But you've got the rest right:-)
Nope, it was a guy called Aguri Suzuki in the Lola Lambourghini <sp>.
Berger spun on lap 2 on the dust from the Senna-Prost crash, Mansell was
leading by a long way when exiting the pits he broke a dive sharft and
handed the win to Piquet.
-Chris
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Ross Clement
Christian Ehrnrooth (christian...@lmf.ericsson.se) wrote:
: > second to Nelson Piquet in the 1990 Japanese GP on 21st October. He had
: >
: > But can anyone remember who finished 3rd in that race??
:
: Aguri Suzuki in a Larrousse-Lamborghini!(!) The Williams-Renaults of Patrese and Bpoutsen were 4th and 5th!
I was in Japan when this race occured, and you should have seen the headlines
in the sports papers. NIHON NO BOUSOU! I can't think of a suitable word
in English for 'BOUSOU', something like 'Japan's demon drive' or whatever.
(unless of course there was another race where Japanese drivers finished
3rd and 6th).
Cheerfs,
Ross-c
Gulliver
In article <59gdq6$p...@badger.wmin.ac.uk>,
The funny thing is that Nakajima was such a hero that he was cheered more
than Suzuki. I remember the commentators (Murray Walker and James Hunt)
saying that the Japanese went wild every time Naka lapped somebody while
another of their own was beating the Williams to the podium.
Suzuki's day, and I believe he cried on the podium.
--
Angus Gulliver
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