Merry Fucking Christmas
David Melville
Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to use
her laptop.
No laptop.
No video camera either.
Fuckers.
So much for my sig.
--
Cheers,
Dave
Don't touch me unless you love me.
Mark
>
> Shit, eh.
>
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
> Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to use
> her laptop.
>
> No laptop.
>
> No video camera either.
>
> Fuckers.
>
> So much for my sig.
:-(
Not good.
Bob Dubery
wrote:
> Shit, eh.
>
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
> Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to use
> her laptop.
>
> No laptop.
>
> No video camera either.
>
> Fuckers.
ric zito
> Shit, eh.
>
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
> Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to use
> her laptop.
>
> No laptop.
>
> No video camera either.
>
> Fuckers.
>
> So much for my sig.
Dave, I know how you feel. The important thing is that you're both OK.
The rest you can replace. Time to start heating up the insurance
company's phoneline... Soooo, let's see... that was three computers, two
cameras, a plasma TV and a vintage Les Paul they stole, right? Along
with the receipts folder, of course...:-)
--
ric zito
ric at pixelligence dot com
Yadda
luck and load. with the economy in the shitter crime will continue to
rise. park car in private garage if can.
Berf
It's always good to photograph your belongings for insurance purposes.
And then make sure that the images are stored somewhere else, because they
could nick the camera or the computer where they are stored.
We keep that suff in a lock box, at the bank along with the insurance policies
and the passports.
Bad news man. Someone took me for $15 K on my credit card once, and it was
so intrusive. I felt violated. It wasn't even about the money. It was
personal.
I can't imagine how difficut it must be for you and your wife.
Sorry to hear.
Berf
The F**king air bags in my car, are worth more than the bloody car!
Ray O'Hara
"Berf" <be...@live.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.258d9310...@News.Individual.NET...
that's the truth, its not the stuff it's the personal violation.
Phil Carmody
Last time I was robbed was while I was on holiday, and I'd left
my windows wide open back home in Finland. Oh, I wasn't robbed
in Finland with the wide open windows, I was robbed in Cambridge.
We travel light, and so I only lost a camera and had the straps
on my best rucksack ripped, but as you say it's the personal
feeling of having your own sanctuary that's more important when
violated.
And that's why I live in Finland, not England. And I'll keep
leaving my windows open. When someone enters while I'm away
I'll know it's time to move on.
Phil
--
Any true emperor never needs to wear clothes. -- Devany on r.a.s.f1
Berf
Ray,
In my case. I got a cell phone bill for two phones and the bill was as thick
as my fist, with calls from here to everywhere. And apparently my fake wife
had one too. Telus ate the bill. Of course.
Then, the Visa bill came and there was the $15k in camera equipment, purchased
in Buffalo NY. I live in Toronto.
That was eaten by Visa, but they said "Sir, there is a problem. It appears
that they also have your drivers license number too"
So, I'm thinking "Oh Shit! Identity fraud"
And then I realized where it happened.
Some jerk hit my car 5 weeks before, and the insurance company paid for a
rental car at the Hertz in Markham, north of Toronto.
They swiped my Visa and my drivers license in a reader.
I reported it to the fraud squad, they came to my place and got a statement.
And I heard nothing more.
I suspect that it was organized crime. And the cops were after the bigger
fish, not the kid who ripped off my identity.
Anyway. Every year in January, I get all my credit reports and check them
out.
I don't want somebody taking out a mortgage in my name, and leaving me with
the tab.
Berf
A popular radio personality in Toronto announced that he was going on vacation
a few years back.
According to his neighbours, men showed up at his house wearing coveralls,
with a moving truck. They backed up into his driveway, and moved everything
out. They looked perfectly legitimate. Even spoke to the next door
neighbours.
He got home from his vacation and found his home empty.
Cleaned out!
Berf
My friend is a car salesman, he sells Mercedes Benz vehicles and was a race
car driver in a series that included Ron Fellows, his brother Rob and Gilles
Villenuve's former Atlantic partner Richard Spenard.
He told me that he was in the shower one morning and he had a top notch Merc
in the driveway. And saw someone in his house, they ducked out.
For a long while, and perhaps even to this day, theives stalk neighbourhoods
looking for two things.
People who go out and start the car / SUV to warm it up, and people who leave
their car keys by the door.
They step in to the house (most people leave their keys by the door) and go
for it. Or, if someone leaves the car / SUV to be warmed up, they just nick
it.
My friend Pat got lucky that day. But the guy was in his house!
texasgate
wrote:
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
thieves target dumb people
News
So you're constantly on the look-out....
mower man
And when your laptop's been nicked - who knows. Bastards.
--
Chris
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
David Melville
;-)
Thanks, Ric.
David Melville
It's strange; I've often read about the feeling violated thing, and
expected it.
But I just feel very annoyed.
The real shitter is having to go back to Melbourne for another
fortnight....
If the rest is gone when we come back, I'll know it's one of you guys, so
be smart, eh? ;-P
David Melville
hehehe. I know where that's going!!!!
Luckily I had dumped the camera onto my PC a few weeks back.
Phew.
Mark
Your insurers must hate you.
Doc Knutsen
"texasgate" <texa...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
news:0f4ce2bc-d1bd-43f3...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
thieves target dumb people
Which is, presumably, why Texas has such an appalling crime rate.
Doc
Frank Adam
<davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>Shit, eh.
>
>Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
>Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to use
>her laptop.
>
>No laptop.
>
>No video camera either.
>
>Fuckers.
>
Yep, bloody infuriating and you're sitting there right now wanting to
kill the whole underworld, but hm.. where do you start ? :)
No use though, i spent two nights with my 22 on the balcony when my
car was broken into the first time. All i got out of it was a fucking
cold. :)
Apart from what the others said, your problem is whether to spend a
few hundred bucks for a half decent monitored security(and perhaps a
pack of wild dogs), or just see how it goes. If you do spend the dosh
and they don't /seem/ to come back, you'll never know if it was worth
it, BUT it *is* worth it as most thiefs are simpletons and either run
for it when an alarm is triggered, or pick the next house if they
notice the signage.
Of course if you don't get security and they do come back, it could be
worse.. Now they know what you've got and in 2 months time they will
expect to find a shiny new laptop and camera from your insurance
payout so there is the incentive for them to return, perhaps with a
damn van.
Sleep well now. ;-)
--
Regards, Frank
David Melville
And fuck you too!
The locks I'd need would outweigh the value of the house and contents
combined to make this place secure!
90+ years old. Louvered windows. Rotten frames.
The must have been fat shits and/or daft, cos there's an open cat hole
about 1' x 18" next to the door they broke.
Fuck me. I would have just slapped off the bit of weatherboard next to the
lock and reached through, but, I'm neither fat nor dumb.
build
wrote:
> I'm neither fat nor dumb.
> --
> Cheers,
> Dave
Oh stop bragging.
You are just another fat dumb arsed old fart like me ;-)
beers,
On a serious note.
Know how you feel, as others said it destroys your tolerance and adds
false paranoia.
My advice as a retired builder.
Adding a very visible alarm system helps, siren box, window and door
reeds, PIR's (the multiwave sort, druggies know the difference), video
cameras. They do not *all* or even any have to be connected, ours are.
A monitored system is a waste of time, they turn up an hour after the
house has been emptied as happened to my neighbour. Me and another
neighbour had apprehended the bastards who had accidentally tripped on
exiting a window. Remember that if you catch anyone, accidents do
happen. We had to empty their truck then tolerate the abuse of the
police for doing so. OK, that was dumb but we were high on neighbourly
love and adrenaline and low on intelligence.
If you connect your system to an alarm, make sure it is a good one
without false alarms and talk and work with your neighbours, they are
your best defense and that has been proven twice now in my street.
If you report an alarm and are sure someone is in your neighbours
house tell the operator you saw them not "i think", you get the drift
as cops love an easy arrest it adds to their stats whereas a false
alarm report is just paperwork. In my experience they attend in
minutes.
An Alarm box, reeds and PIRS cost very little (@ $50) and the
potential burglar (drug addict) will look further down the street, so
do it.
Lastly the druggies came back a few months later and I wasn't home but
the cops got them with the goodies as my video picked them up walking
across my driveway with the new plasma. I rang the arresting cop some
time later to find out if they had done jail time, he couldn't tell me
although I got his message ... NO!, Sometimes I wish Dirty Harry was
real. I certainly wished me and Scott had caught them a second time,
the accident may have been close to critical.
Oh, and a warning to Dirty Harry wanna be's, never use a weapon. Just
after I was married my wife woke me one night with a someones
downstairs, this had happened before so I cuddled her and said "It's
just the house creaking" and went straight back to sleep. A few
minutes later she woke me again, I was annoyed but her face made me
want to console her so I grabbed the pipe from the robe, stuffed it in
the back of my jocks and went downstairs half asleep, as I turned into
the entry I woke up double time as a bloke was silhouetted at the rear
entry. 75KG hit him at about 30KMH, what followed was rather keystone
cops with both of us falling over as he tried to escape. Finally
common sense arrived and I boxed him rather than grabbed and the
result worked.
The cops found the pipe although it had never been used and as the
burgular was taken away in an ambulance during my interview they asked
about the pipe, but with a warning that use of a weapon was not a good
idea. I said I'd never seen it and it was not used in the scuffle. No
charges were laid but the cop stressed to me that while such items are
probably a good idea they are never, never, ever yours.
As an old bloke, I wonder what I'd do now?
beers,
build
texasgate
wrote:
> 90+ years old. Louvered windows. Rotten frames.
get off your cunt and fix it
build
> The cops found the pipe although it had never been used and as the
> burgular was taken away in an ambulance during my interview they asked
> about the pipe, but with a warning that use of a weapon was not a good
> idea. I said I'd never seen it and it was not used in the scuffle. No
> charges were laid but the cop stressed to me that while such items are
> probably a good idea they are never, never, ever yours.
>
> As an old bloke, I wonder what I'd do now?
>
> beers,
> build
I should add that I am not violent bastard, I was simply scared
shitless and did not stop till I had seen a condition where I felt
less threatened. Please don't put me in the wrong category.
beers,
build
bugalugs
(air compressor, trolley jacks, mower, wheel barrow, etc) they then went
across to my other neighbour's place and pinched his trailer so they
could haul it all away.
build
> My neighbour had his garage/barn broken into and they got so much stuff
> (air compressor, trolley jacks, mower, wheel barrow, etc) they then went
> across to my other neighbour's place and pinched his trailer so they
> could haul it all away.
A couple of years back here in Aus we had a house stolen, no bull.
Someone might like to google that story.
beers,
build
AC
"texasgate" <texa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>thieves target dumb people
Explains how Bush stole the election. The really funny thing is, 4 years
later, he did it again. How incredibly dumb is that?
AC
Frank Adam
<davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
Screw the value. The alarm system is for your own sanity.
Really, you can pick up a half decent one for 2-300 bucks if you are
not worries about a bit of wiring. Wireless costs too much.
It won't keep out a pro, but its presence will scare away the dicks
and that's 90% of all burglars. Apply brandless stickers liberally.
You'll feel much better and if the pricks come back they will probably
say "shit, oh well".. and walk off down the street. If not, at least
you tried your best, within reason.
If nothing else, go to Dickie and grab a siren box and a few stickers.
Make sure the sticker doesn't carry any branding.
--
Regards, Frank
Frank Adam
wrote:
>If you report an alarm and are sure someone is in your neighbours
>house tell the operator you saw them not "i think", you get the drift
>as cops love an easy arrest it adds to their stats whereas a false
>alarm report is just paperwork. In my experience they attend in
>minutes.
>
Yup. Although it is more an adrenalin rush for them, rather than a
stat thing. False alarms carry no real paper work, btw.. It's merely
an entry into the log, about the same as a routine check when you get
pulled up and let go with nothing amiss.
With monitored systems the trick is to pick a company which alerts the
cops, not their own internal security.
I worked for Chubb at night and our response would have been in the
vicinity of 30-50 minutes. By the time we'd get there, we'd find a
greeting card from Brasil form the baddies. Or at least that was what
i've always expected to find. :)
It was utter bullshit, hardly ever got any rise out of that job. I got
more action just going to pubs. :)
>Oh, and a warning to Dirty Harry wanna be's, never use a weapon. Just
>
Ahh, you can use a weapon, but you have to use it well. Dead men tell
no tales and all that... ;-)
Seriously, adrenalin will be hard to overcome for most people in that
situation and often things like that can lead to some serious charges.
Only some of it has to stick and if you were unfortunate that the
crook survived, his testimony will be taken and used against you. So
yeah, try to be cool and merely "stop the threat" not "stomp the
threat".
>As an old bloke, I wonder what I'd do now?
>
Is your son on call ? 6' 4" wasn't he ? :)
--
Regards, Frank
ric zito
> My neighbour had his garage/barn broken into and they got so much stuff
> (air compressor, trolley jacks, mower, wheel barrow, etc) they then went
> across to my other neighbour's place and pinched his trailer so they
> could haul it all away.
My wife's cousin woke up one morning with a slight headache. He went
downstairs and was surprised to find the front door open. Then when he
entered the lounge he understood : the whole place had been cleaned out
while he and his family slept. TV, hifi, cameras, consoles, jewelry,
everything. And they'd used his car, a Passat estate, to haul everything
away.
When the police forensics arrived they found traces of soporific gas in
the bedrooms. The burglars had climbed in thru a half-open window (it
was summer) and without disturbing the sleeping family, sprayed it
everywhere. They waited ten minutes and then, with everybody in an even
deeper, drugged sleep, they had the run of the house to do as they
please.
According to the police, this kind of burglary is happening more and
more. The gas is easily available on the web.
--
ric
ric at pixelligence dot com
Ian Rawlings
> The must have been fat shits and/or daft, cos there's an open cat hole
> about 1' x 18" next to the door they broke.
>
> Fuck me. I would have just slapped off the bit of weatherboard next to the
> lock and reached through, but, I'm neither fat nor dumb.
Back in my penniless days I spent 6 months living in abandoned houses,
most of them were extremely simple to break into without causing much
damage (if there were signs of damage, the cops could throw you out
immediately), used to go out with nothing but a big screwdriver and some
string, never seemed to need anything else! I was just in my early 20s,
only did about 5 houses, so how you'd stop someone really experienced who
didn't need to worry about damage I'm not sure.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/tarcus69
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Ian Rawlings
> The cops found the pipe although it had never been used and as the
> burgular was taken away in an ambulance during my interview they asked
> about the pipe, but with a warning that use of a weapon was not a good
> idea. I said I'd never seen it and it was not used in the scuffle. No
> charges were laid but the cop stressed to me that while such items are
> probably a good idea they are never, never, ever yours.
ISTR this being clarified in the UK a year or two ago due to some
kerfuffle in the press, specifically about attacking intruders in your own
home, and it was pretty much all bets are off as long as you're trying to
keep them out or repel them rather than trapping them in and beating them
up as punishment.
Ian Rawlings
> A couple of years back here in Aus we had a house stolen, no bull.
> Someone might like to google that story.
Blimey, some time ago I was looking up crime statistics per country and I
read that Australia was top of the list for house burglaries, but I didn't
know they meant *that*!
build
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:33:32 -0800 (PST), build <bui...@gmail.com>
>
> Is your son on call ? 6' 4" wasn't he ? :)
> --
> Regards, Frank
Yes and he would be a valuable back up, it's not so much his height as
his massive shoulders and no belly that would be a decent scare factor
but he is only sixteen. My problem would be under adrenalin I still
think I'm a fit twenty and very quick, I'm not twenty and have no idea
if I'm still quick, I very much doubt it. As Harry said a man needs to
know (and remember) his limitations.
You should pop an alarm box (with blue light) up under the eaves,
costs almost nothing and a druggie won't know it's not connected.
beers,
build
APLer
news:47b24a9c-460d-4ec6...@k32g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
I think that qualifies as overequiped thieves <g>.
David Melville
wrote:
> On 2009-12-13, David Melville <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> The must have been fat shits and/or daft, cos there's an open cat hole
>> about 1' x 18" next to the door they broke.
>>
>> Fuck me. I would have just slapped off the bit of weatherboard next to
>> the
>> lock and reached through, but, I'm neither fat nor dumb.
>
> Back in my penniless days I spent 6 months living in abandoned houses,
> most of them were extremely simple to break into without causing much
> damage (if there were signs of damage, the cops could throw you out
> immediately), used to go out with nothing but a big screwdriver and some
> string, never seemed to need anything else! I was just in my early 20s,
> only did about 5 houses, so how you'd stop someone really experienced who
> didn't need to worry about damage I'm not sure.
>
You don't. You can't.
David Melville
That is just too creepy.
Doc Knutsen
"David Melville" <davidm...@exemail.com.au> skrev i melding
news:op.u4wbydn6h6mygt@david-desktop...
I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
those who inhale it.
Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very simple
way of doing the same job.
Doc
David Melville
wrote:
You are assuming "no risk of impaired breathing .... or killing" is a
concern to the perpetrators.
My father, an anaesthetist, when asked what he did, used to deadpan: "I
put people to sleep, hope they wake up, and if they don't I ring the
coroner... it's easy".
build
> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
> those who inhale it.
> Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
> go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
> pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
> mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
> cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very simple
> way of doing the same job.
> Doc
Doc,
Here in Aus they never use Heroin, yet it is a brilliant pain killer,
I've asked a few why and they never answer. Can you?
And totally off topic.
My son had a blockage when he was six, took him to Dr Barry Lipschitz
a Paediatric Gastroenterologist. Son asked what the doc was going to
do to him. Doc said "As my name implies, I'm going to give you the
shits", Son was confused, Dad was crying with hysterics. He didn't
stop there either the jokes just kept coming, he is probably the
funniest Doctor I've ever met. I guess a bloke with that name who
specialises in the bowel has to have a great sense of humour.
beers,
build
David Melville
> On Dec 14, 8:56 am, "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly
>> killing
>> those who inhale it.
>> Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
>> go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
>> pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
>> mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
>> cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very
>> simple
>> way of doing the same job.
>> Doc
>
> Doc,
> Here in Aus they never use Heroin, yet it is a brilliant pain killer,
> I've asked a few why and they never answer. Can you?
>
Heroin, up until the late 1950s, was the drug of choice for women in
labour.
It has a short half-life to the point that it does not cross into the
placenta, thus affecting the mother's nervous system without compromising
the baby's.
It's fast, effective, controllable, and cheap.
Then it became classed as an illegal narcotic, and the medical profession
had to stop using it.
A friend (nurse) remembers a woman in a /nasty/ labour in the early
sixties, and the obstetrician jokingly asking her if she could just nip
down to St. Kilda and get some for him!
> And totally off topic.
> My son had a blockage when he was six, took him to Dr Barry Lipschitz
> a Paediatric Gastroenterologist. Son asked what the doc was going to
> do to him. Doc said "As my name implies, I'm going to give you the
> shits", Son was confused, Dad was crying with hysterics. He didn't
> stop there either the jokes just kept coming, he is probably the
> funniest Doctor I've ever met. I guess a bloke with that name who
> specialises in the bowel has to have a great sense of humour.
>
> beers,
> build
>
<Seinfeld mode=ON> ASSMAN <Sm=OFF>
David Melville
<davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:15:34 +1100, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 8:56 am, "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>>> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>>> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly
>>> killing
>>> those who inhale it.
>>> Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
>>> go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
>>> pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
>>> mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
>>> cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very
>>> simple
>>> way of doing the same job.
>>> Doc
>>
>> Doc,
>> Here in Aus they never use Heroin, yet it is a brilliant pain killer,
>> I've asked a few why and they never answer. Can you?
>>
>
> Heroin, up until the late 1950s, was the drug of choice for women in
> labour.
>
EDIT: I am, of course, talking from an Australian perspective.
Frank Adam
<doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>>> When the police forensics arrived they found traces of soporific gas in
>>> the bedrooms. The burglars had climbed in thru a half-open window (it
>>> was summer) and without disturbing the sleeping family, sprayed it
>>> everywhere. They waited ten minutes and then, with everybody in an even
>>> deeper, drugged sleep, they had the run of the house to do as they
>>> please.
>>>
>>> According to the police, this kind of burglary is happening more and
>>> more. The gas is easily available on the web.
>>
>> That is just too creepy.
>
>I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
>those who inhale it.
>
No way. Just like with crooks hitting you over the head with a
baseball hat, it is well researched and carefully tested on lab
animals before being applied to victims..
>Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
>go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
>pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
>mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
>cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very simple
>way of doing the same job.
>
Yeah well, they are hell bent on keeping the patient alive(mainly
because their insurance would go through the roof<g>).
For crooks that is perhaps a secondary, more likely a tertiary goal,
if at all enters their mind.
--
Regards, Frank
Chad
I did a search as "The gas is easily available on the web", and came to a
similar conclusion, that unless there is some secret gas only these crims
know about, a simple sleeping gas doesnt exist.
The main results you come across are anti-terrorism examples, like that
school hostage situation in Russia and Airplane hijack rescue attempts.
(none of which have ever worked very well)
--
Chad
Bigbird
Do you mean the Russian theatre where the gas used (and lack of
treatment after the event) killed over a hundred hostages.
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
Chad
Yes, thanks.
--
Chad
Ian Rawlings
> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
> those who inhale it.
Urbanmytherine? ;-)
Dave Baker
"Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
news:or1iv6-...@firewall.tarcus.org.uk...
> On 2009-12-13, Doc Knutsen <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly
>> killing
>> those who inhale it.
>
> Urbanmytherine? ;-)
A 20% oxygen / 80% nitrogen mix usually has the desired effect although it
often takes 18 or so hours to achieve it after the last period of sleep.
--
Dave Baker
Ian Dalziel
wrote:
It's almost always fatal, though.
--
Ian D
Doc Knutsen
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On Dec 14, 8:56 am, "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
> those who inhale it.
> Considering all the trouble my colleagues in Anaestetics
> go to in order to get somebody to sleep for 20 minutes...
> pre-medication, intravenous injections and assisted ventilation, not to
> mention mandatory monitoring of heart rate, arterial oxygen and
> cardiograms...it seem those good people have yet to discover a very simple
> way of doing the same job.
> Doc
Doc,
Here in Aus they never use Heroin, yet it is a brilliant pain killer,
I've asked a few why and they never answer. Can you?
Because it is illegal. So research on its effects, side effects, doses for
varous types of pain, etc etc cannot be carried out.
But with the trouble we already have with helping people get rid of opiate
and opioid habits, I do not really wish for another one.
Doc
Doc Knutsen
(snip)
And totally off topic.
My son had a blockage when he was six, took him to Dr Barry Lipschitz
a Paediatric Gastroenterologist. Son asked what the doc was going to
do to him. Doc said "As my name implies, I'm going to give you the
shits", Son was confused, Dad was crying with hysterics. He didn't
stop there either the jokes just kept coming, he is probably the
funniest Doctor I've ever met. I guess a bloke with that name who
specialises in the bowel has to have a great sense of humour.
I trust you are aware of the fact that in Jamaica, a proctologist is
referred to as a Pokemon...?
Doc
beers,
build
Doc Knutsen
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Frank, I am of course aware of all that. But of all the alleged "gas
victims", I have yet to read of one single case of somebody waking up from
gas-induced sleep with so much as a tiny trace of a hangover. Obviously,
this gas has to be pure magic. And it is available on the Net, too...
Doc
> --
>
> Regards, Frank
Doc Knutsen
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That would initiate a kind of sleep that would be very difficult to get out
of :o)
Doc
> --
> Dave Baker
>
Doc Knutsen
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> On 2009-12-13, Doc Knutsen <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly
>> killing
>> those who inhale it.
>
> Urbanmytherine? ;-)
Yes, that is a potent and volatile mix.;o)
Last couple of summers, we have had a number of cases where RVs were broken
into and cleaned out of anything valuable, while the people sleeping in the
camper were fast asleep due to this magic gas having been sprayed into the
camper.
How it keeps the burglars from getting all yawny has not been explained.
Amazing stuff, really...
Doc
Bigbird
You consider the step from theft to murder a small one.
Bigbird
>
> "Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk> skrev i melding
> news:or1iv6-...@firewall.tarcus.org.uk... >On 2009-12-13, Doc
> Knutsen <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
> >
> > > I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with
> > > no after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even
> > > possibly killing those who inhale it.
> >
> > Urbanmytherine? ;-)
>
> Yes, that is a potent and volatile mix.;o)
> Last couple of summers, we have had a number of cases where RVs were
> broken into and cleaned out of anything valuable, while the people
> sleeping in the camper were fast asleep due to this magic gas having
> been sprayed into the camper. How it keeps the burglars from getting
> all yawny has not been explained. Amazing stuff, really... Doc
It must be true else why would people make and sell alarms to detect
these gases?
Oh wait...
...capitalists are such crafty buggers.
Frank Adam
<Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
No, but i understand the criminals thought process. Robin Hoods and
other "feel good" criminal stories aside, reality rules.
--
Regards, Frank
Chad
> I trust you are aware of the fact that in Jamaica, a proctologist is
> referred to as a Pokemon...?
That should be in one of those "10 facts you didnt know 60 seconds ago" vids
on youtube. :)
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Chad
build
If you are over 50 and have not had a prostate exam, you should. If
you have that gives the above a new meaning.
build
build
> "build" <bui...@gmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:49458f03-1691-4651...@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> Doc,
> Here in Aus they never use Heroin, yet it is a brilliant pain killer,
> I've asked a few why and they never answer. Can you?
> Because it is illegal. So research on its effects, side effects, doses for
> varous types of pain, etc etc cannot be carried out.
> But with the trouble we already have with helping people get rid of opiate
> and opioid habits, I do not really wish for another one.
> Doc
G'day Doc,
Thanks for the reply.
beers,
build
Chad
I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I should be
going anually from now on but am still squirming in avoidance mode to date.
:\
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Chad
bugalugs
Line yourself up for an annual PSA test (it's only a blood test) and
only worry about the finger bit IF the numbers get high.
Chad
I asked my Dad's urologist about that actually and he poo pooed it as a bad
thing. He reckons the only way to check properly is with the finger and he
thinks more men will end up with late detected cancers if they convince
themselves the less reliable blood test has them covered forever.
--
Chad
CatharticF1
Are you sure you meant 'anually' :)
--
CatharticF1
"What you thought was freedom is just greed."
Chad
:D <squirming again>
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Chad
Bigbird
Is it bad form to lube up for yourself first. No such thing as too much
lube.
--
Bigbird
#
Nurse Tate: I'll get the lubricant...
Dr. Paulson: No time for lubricant!
Harry Block: There's ALWAYS time for lubricant!
bugalugs
It may not be the most accurate of tests but it does get you off your
arse (pun intended) and doing something about it.
Here Women get breast screening, and cervical screening and they have
recently introduced vaccinations for 11, 12, 13 year old girls to
prevent some cancer they 'may' get which kills up to 36 women a year.
There are something like 600 men a year die from prostrate related
cancers. And the Gummint does absolutely f**k'n nothing.
>> gets off hobby horse to go and have a beer and a lie down <<
ric zito
> > Yeah well, they are hell bent on keeping the patient alive(mainly
> > because their insurance would go through the roof<g>).
> > For crooks that is perhaps a secondary, more likely a tertiary goal,
> > if at all enters their mind.
>
> Frank, I am of course aware of all that. But of all the alleged "gas
> victims", I have yet to read of one single case of somebody waking up from
> gas-induced sleep with so much as a tiny trace of a hangover. Obviously,
> this gas has to be pure magic. And it is available on the Net, too...
> Doc
Now now, Doc :-)
I was just going by what cousin said the police told him. It sounded
plausible to me, but I'll admit I never looked it up on the Net...
More fool me...
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ric
ric at pixelligence dot com
Chad
> Chad wrote:
>
>> build wrote:
>>> On Dec 15, 12:34 pm, "Chad" <cbs...@safemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Doc Knutsen wrote:
>>>>> I trust you are aware of the fact that in Jamaica, a
>>>>> proctologist is referred to as a Pokemon...?
>>>
>>>> That should be in one of those "10 facts you didnt know 60 seconds
>>>> ago" vids on youtube. :)
>>>> --
>>>> Chad
>>>
>>> If you are over 50 and have not had a prostate exam, you should. If
>>> you have that gives the above a new meaning.
>>>
>>> build
>>
>> I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I should
>> be going anually from now on but am still squirming in avoidance mode
>> to date. :\
>
> Is it bad form to lube up for yourself first. No such thing as too
> much lube.
I'd have to do it in the carpark. Not sure I'd like to travel with gobs of
KY oozing out between my bum cheeks.
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Chad
Mark
> Chad wrote:
>>
>> I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I should
>> be going anually from now on but am still squirming in avoidance mode
>> to date. :\
>
> Is it bad form to lube up for yourself first. No such thing as too much
> lube.
As someone who's had these examinations (and worse), it's not nice but
the alternative is (much, much) worse.
It doesn't take long, they *do* use lubricant, it's not that[1]
(physically[2]) uncomfortable but it does avoid a whole lot of trouble
down the line.
Be men and go get the exam if you need it!
1. You wouldn't do it for fun, but you're not doing it for fun. When
you consider how it could turn out with undiagnosed problems, that
discomfort could look like a very wise investment.
2. I can't deny it's embarrassing. In my case, though, the doctors have
always been very professional, discrete and done their best to
minimise the embarrassment and stress.
allen
<new...@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>On 2009-12-13, Doc Knutsen <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued as to what kind of gas will induce deep sleep with no
>> after-effects and no risk of impaired breathing - or even possibly killing
>> those who inhale it.
>
>Urbanmytherine? ;-)
Snoporific ;)
Bigbird
> Bigbird <Bigbird.us...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chad wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I
> should >> be going anually from now on but am still squirming in
> avoidance mode >> to date. :\
> >
> > Is it bad form to lube up for yourself first. No such thing as too
> > much lube.
>
> As someone who's had these examinations (and worse), it's not nice but
> the alternative is (much, much) worse.
>
> It doesn't take long, they do use lubricant, it's not that[1]
> (physically[2]) uncomfortable but it does avoid a whole lot of trouble
> down the line.
>
> Be men and go get the exam if you need it!
>
> 1. You wouldn't do it for fun, but you're not doing it for fun. When
> you consider how it could turn out with undiagnosed problems, that
> discomfort could look like a very wise investment.
> 2. I can't deny it's embarrassing. In my case, though, the doctors
> have always been very professional, discrete and done their best to
> minimise the embarrassment and stress.
I was once checked for piles. While I can't confirm or deny that there
was lube involved I certainly wasn't expecting him to stick his whole
fucking head up there for a look around. ;)
Such embarrassment is temporary. The benefits long lasting.
Frank Adam
wrote:
You know, sometimes things should be just left untold. :)
<pukes>
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Regards, Frank
Frank Adam
<Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. You wouldn't do it for fun, but you're not doing it for fun. When
>> you consider how it could turn out with undiagnosed problems, that
>> discomfort could look like a very wise investment.
>> 2. I can't deny it's embarrassing. In my case, though, the doctors
>> have always been very professional, discrete and done their best to
>> minimise the embarrassment and stress.
>
>I was once checked for piles. While I can't confirm or deny that there
>was lube involved I certainly wasn't expecting him to stick his whole
>fucking head up there for a look around. ;)
>
>Such embarrassment is temporary. The benefits long lasting.
>
As stupid as it is, there was a time when i was embarrassed to even
admit when i was sick.
"no, it's just hayfever"
"but you are coughing!"
"nah, it's ok, it's just the sneezing irritating my throat".
Silly stuff, just like my needle phobia.
I can cut, slash, burn myself, wrap it in masking tape and get on with
things, but don't you come near me with a nasty needle ! It can make a
pinhole on my skin. :) Can't shake that one. I'm a wuss.
And yeah, i'm getting due for one of those finger jobs too. Right
after the optometrist appointment i've been making for a year or so..
;-)
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Regards, Frank
Doc Knutsen
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Not completely true. A PSA test is very unreliable, it is a general pointer
towards a possible prostate related problem, but will not differentiate
between BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy) and malignant growth. Neither is
a digital exploration on its own sufficient. It may reveal suspicious nodes,
or just a hypertrophic gland as in a normal age-related process. An
ultrasound scan will reveal the extent of the growth, but not its nature.
Only multiple biopsies should reveal any localized malignancies, and even a
biopsy needle may not always penetrate an early malignant node for a
representative tissue sample. Best advice is, seek the help of a GP you can
trust if you suffer unusual changes in urine tract function. If it feels to
be of comfort, have annual PSAs carried out. But be aware of the pitfalls.
Anyway, in most cases, prostatic cancers are slow growths, and post patients
die with their cancer, rather than from it. And yes, I do know of the
relatively few special cases that hit at a younger age, and develop into a
threat to life very rapidly.
Doc
forty
> Shit, eh.
>
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
> Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to
> use her laptop.
>
> No laptop.
>
> No video camera either.
>
> Fuckers.
>
> So much for my sig.
>
>
Sorry to hear that. Glad that nobody got hurt.
Just remember that once your house has been broken into, it will
automatically become a hot target for at least a second break-in. The
arseholes that did this will want to come back to steal the nice new
replacement items. I would strongly suggest improving the security of
the home.
--
forty
"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I like
to think that I walk that line every day of my life."
Devany
> Shit, eh.
>
> Returned home last night to find we had been broken into.
>
> Didn't see anything missing until this morning when my missus went to
> use her laptop.
>
> No laptop.
>
> No video camera either.
>
> Fuckers.
>
> So much for my sig.
>
>
Happened to me a couple of years ago.
2 months after moving into a new house, (we suspect some casual labour
from the removal company clocked a weak point) came home late, found a
bit of a mess and after going through a moment of disbelief (which I
suspect we now share), found a bunch of stuff no longer mine.
I am talking about some very fine irreplaceable vintage Burgundy wine
here (oh, as well as video cameras, play-stations and other trivial
rubbish).
Being practical minded*, I now have major perimeter defenses.
Unfortunately, as many experts will advise, the best course of action is
to make your neighbors property look easier to steal.
- D
* - I know how to build a perimeter defense system that will use a local
area radar to ignite smoke bombs at strategic points then automatically
target lasers to find shape changes within these areas and then attempt
to focus the lasers at eye level while a blue revolving police light
rises from the center of the garden and the tune of "Blockbuster", by
"The Sweet" plays at extortionate volume.
It isn't even that expensive.
F'em. I'll bet they couldn't tell the difference between the stuff I had
and a £10 bottle of plonk from Tesco.
build
stats are?
On the most effective alarm systems. When we lived on the beach our
neighbour had a smoke alarm, an alarm that released huge amounts of
smoke, not a fire smoke alarm. After a certain number of triggers the
smoke devices fill the house in only a few minutes with very thick
odourless smoke. The unfortunate consequence comes when concerned
neighbour calls the fire brigade and smashes windows and starts hosing
through them. I did apologise. Firemen found a very wet and
disoriented druggie inside. The musician who owned the home never
invited me to gigs after that :-(
I'm told thoise systems are the most effective as the thieves are so
disoriented they rarely escape and having done the smoke room training
at the fire brigade I can understand why. Sitting in a room you think,
piece of cake, there's the door, through that turn left and you are
out. Then the smoke pours in and suddenly the door is not where it
was. I did however get out before I died, just.
beers,
build
Bigbird
False alarms must be fun.
Sounds great in theory but not really ideal for residential use.
Ian Rawlings
> I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I should be
> going anually from now on but am still squirming in avoidance mode to date.
Go and have one and you'll wonder what the fuss was about, certainly
compared to a barium enema, now that's *really* undignified!
I'm sure any lurking women will be snorting with derision right now.. At
least we don't get tied to scaffold poles.
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Ian Rawlings
> Is it bad form to lube up for yourself first. No such thing as too much
> lube.
No but saying "a little bit to the left" might get you kicked out.
Ian Rawlings
> I was once checked for piles. While I can't confirm or deny that there
> was lube involved I certainly wasn't expecting him to stick his whole
> fucking head up there for a look around. ;)
>
> Such embarrassment is temporary. The benefits long lasting.
I didn't even find it that embarassing, bearing in mind the amount of
prodding and poking on obese old age pensioners and their rotting bits
that those poor GPs have to do.. I can still remember some old wrinkly
complaining loudly in the waiting room about her vaginal ulcers, and I was
glad I work in computers.
Ian Rawlings
> Now now, Doc :-)
> I was just going by what cousin said the police told him. It sounded
> plausible to me, but I'll admit I never looked it up on the Net...
> More fool me...
Cops seem to take great delight in winding up non-cops, many years ago at
an ISP I used to work for, we hired a new member of staff who proceeded to
spend his day downloading and viewing child porn in full view of us, so we
called the police and had him carted off. The cops told us that he used to
get so excited that he'd print the pictures off and pop off to the toilets
to have a wank, a story that got regularly retold, despite it not being
possible for him to do that without being noticed given that we were
watching him like a bunch of hawks all the time.
Chad
> On 2009-12-15, Chad <cbs...@safemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm 44 and my Dad just had a prostecomy 2 weeks ago. I know I should
>> be going anually from now on but am still squirming in avoidance
>> mode to date.
>
> Go and have one and you'll wonder what the fuss was about, certainly
> compared to a barium enema, now that's *really* undignified!
>
> I'm sure any lurking women will be snorting with derision right now..
> At least we don't get tied to scaffold poles.
This conversation has got me off my *ass* already actually.
I tried to see my GP today, couldn't get in but have an appointment for next
week. Got a few things I want him to check that I've been putting off all
year.
Whoda thunk reading rasf1 might actually extend my life! :-)
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Chad
Doc Knutsen
"Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk> skrev i melding
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> On 2009-12-15, Bigbird <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was once checked for piles. While I can't confirm or deny that there
>> was lube involved I certainly wasn't expecting him to stick his whole
>> fucking head up there for a look around. ;)
>>
>> Such embarrassment is temporary. The benefits long lasting.
>
> I didn't even find it that embarassing, bearing in mind the amount of
> prodding and poking on obese old age pensioners and their rotting bits
> that those poor GPs have to do.. I can still remember some old wrinkly
> complaining loudly in the waiting room about her vaginal ulcers, and I was
> glad I work in computers.
It is not entirely without reason that gynaecologists are known as spreaders
of old wives' tales...
Doc
Mark
>
> This conversation has got me off my *ass* already actually.
>
> I tried to see my GP today, couldn't get in but have an appointment for next
> week. Got a few things I want him to check that I've been putting off all
> year.
>
> Whoda thunk reading rasf1 might actually extend my life! :-)
Sorry - I'm pretty sure somewhere in the charter there's a rule which
forbids anything positive coming from reading rasf1.
Apologies.
;-)
APLer
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> "Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk> skrev i melding
> news:726nv6-...@firewall.tarcus.org.uk...
>> On 2009-12-15, Bigbird <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was once checked for piles. While I can't confirm or deny that
>>> there was lube involved I certainly wasn't expecting him to stick
>>> his whole fucking head up there for a look around. ;)
>>>
>>> Such embarrassment is temporary. The benefits long lasting.
>>
>> I didn't even find it that embarassing, bearing in mind the amount of
>> prodding and poking on obese old age pensioners and their rotting
>> bits that those poor GPs have to do.. I can still remember some old
>> wrinkly complaining loudly in the waiting room about her vaginal
>> ulcers, and I was glad I work in computers.
>
> It is not entirely without reason that gynaecologists are known as
> spreaders of old wives' tales...
> Doc
Booo! <g>
Berf
>
> On 2009-12-13, David Melville <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > The must have been fat shits and/or daft, cos there's an open cat hole
> > about 1' x 18" next to the door they broke.
> >
> > Fuck me. I would have just slapped off the bit of weatherboard next to the
> > lock and reached through, but, I'm neither fat nor dumb.
>
> Back in my penniless days I spent 6 months living in abandoned houses,
> most of them were extremely simple to break into without causing much
> damage (if there were signs of damage, the cops could throw you out
> immediately), used to go out with nothing but a big screwdriver and some
> string, never seemed to need anything else! I was just in my early 20s,
> only did about 5 houses, so how you'd stop someone really experienced who
> didn't need to worry about damage I'm not sure.
My summer place has been in my family for over 100 years and stands by Lake
Simcoe. Break ins are common occurrences. We had a major one in the 70's
where they picked us clean of all kinds of antiques of sentimental value.
However, summer residents are encouraged to keep food supplies on hand and the
propane take fueled up in the winter months because there have been cases of
people who became lost and disoriented on the iced over lake and have broken
into cottages as a matter of survival. They could be victims of a broken down
snow machine, lost ice fishers or even cross country skiers or hikers.
We had someone in our place once and they even left money to pay for the food
and the window they broke to enter! Along with a thank you note.
Which is kind of surprising considering that the location isn't all that
remote from civilization. But when there's a big snow storm and visibility
is not so good, people who are disorientated don't know that.
bugalugs
Thanks for he explanation Doc.
My purpose was to get blokes to at least take a look at their prostrate
(some would only have to open their eyes and see it in front of their
nose) and from later comments it might have worked.
build
> My purpose was to get blokes to at least take a look at their prostrate
> (some would only have to open their eyes and see it in front of their
> nose) and from later comments it might have worked.
And the first reference was:
> If you are over 50 and have not had a prostate exam, you should. If
> you have that gives the above a new meaning.
> build
Hey, it was me that brought up the subject and I have to thank my
cousin Bob Flower for the motivation. Post that followed like yours
were helpful.
beers,
build