[OT] Goodwood Festival fatality
Nemo
fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
Help!
Thanks in advance ...
Jane
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Geoff Schuler
>Sorry, I know it's not F1 but does anyone know any information about the
>fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
>
>Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
>were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
>
>Help!
>
>Thanks in advance ...
From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/sport/motorsport/2000/06/item20000625084444_1.htm
An Australian driver has been killed and two people left injured after
an accident at the Goodwood motor racing circuit in southern England.
John Dawson-Damer, a relative of the Earl of Portarlington, was taking
part in a timed hill climb at Goodwood's eighth annual festival of
speed, when the accident occurred at approximately 2.25pm local time
(11:25pm AEST).
Sussex police say two safety officials, who were seriously injured,
were taken to St Richard's Hospital in Chichester.
An investigation is now underway into the death of Mr Dawson-Damer,
who lived in Sydney.
Thousands of spectators attended the festival which included a
10-strong field in the hill climb, which is one of the event's leading
competitions.
A Goodwood spokesman said: "No other cars were involved. We do not
know what caused the accident - that is still being investigated.
"All events on the hill climb were immediately cancelled but it is
believed that the schedule for the rest of the festival tomorrow will
not be interrupted."
The Earl of March, the event founder, whose family own the track and
the adjoining horseracing course, said: "I am extremely upset by the
accident to John.
"I offer my deepest sympathy to his wife and family."
John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the owner
of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus 25
chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
championship in 1963.
A sad loss...
Geoff Schuler
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>Sorry, I know it's not F1 but does anyone know any information about the
>fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
>
>Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
>were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
The driver killed was the Hon John Dawson-Damer from Sydney.
There is a post with more information on what happened in RASF1-M.
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Jon Petersson
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> John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
> Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the owner
> of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus 25
> chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
> championship in 1963.
Does anyone know how many 25's there are in the World?
I know one of them belongs to the Museum of Modern Art here in Stockholm,
and it's now or soon to be on display after several years in the basement.
The car is listed as a work of art by Colin Chapman.
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Not Stirling Moss
>Sorry, I know it's not F1 but does anyone know any information about the
>fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
>
>Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
>were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
http://www.autosport.com/article1.cfm?id=10315&ref=home
One official now dead, another lost part of a leg. Car was Lotus 63
4wd
A sad day for what has been a truely great event.
Jason Coles
nos...@dial.pipex.com wrote on 25/6/00 6:14 pm:
I just saw what happened on the news and it was very unusual. His run
seemed fine but just as he came to the finish line the car seemed to
suddenly jerk to the left and crash into the gantry. Something must have
broken because the way the car suddenly pulled to the left was almost too
quick for it to be human error.
A sad day for motor sport everywhere.
Jason Coles
DC
<gsch...@REMOVE.iname.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:51:04 BST, Nemo <ne...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sorry, I know it's not F1 but does anyone know any information about the
>>fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
>>
>>Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
>>were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
>>
>>Help!
>>
>>Thanks in advance ...
>
>From
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/sport/motorsport/2000/06/item20000625084444_1.htm
>
>An Australian driver has been killed and two people left injured after
>an accident at the Goodwood motor racing circuit in southern England.
>
>John Dawson-Damer, a relative of the Earl of Portarlington, was taking
>part in a timed hill climb at Goodwood's eighth annual festival of
>speed, when the accident occurred at approximately 2.25pm local time
>(11:25pm AEST).
>
>Sussex police say two safety officials, who were seriously injured,
>were taken to St Richard's Hospital in Chichester.
Sorry to have to report that I heard on the radio today that one of
the two had died as well.
I'm sure all our sympathies go to their families.
David
t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l. In memoriam: Irwin, RIP
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ross B
Emma <Em...@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nemo <ne...@argonet.co.uk> writes
> >Sorry, I know it's not F1 but does anyone know any information about the
> >fatal racing accident at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend?
> >
> >Apparently an Australian driver (the Hon something) died and two officals
> >were injured but I can't find any further details anywhere.
>
Brian Lear
63. One of only two built. This was the four wheel drive car built in 1969
and driven by Jochen Rindt and John Miles.Full details of the incident are
posted on the Autosport site
at www.autosport.com
Regards
Brian Lear bl...@hunterlink.net.au
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Geoff Schuler
<bl...@hunterlink.net.au> wrote:
Response moved down to where it appears to be in context.
>Jon Petersson <j...@svenskabio.com> wrote in message
>news:8j59ru$1dfn$1...@news.itv.se...
>> "Geoff Schuler" <gsch...@REMOVE.iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:sunblscg9p02vppre...@4ax.com...
>> > John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
>> > Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the owner
>> > of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus 25
>> > chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
>> > championship in 1963.
>The article you referred to is incorrect.
No it's not. The news release I quoted didn't mention the car at all,
and when I added the bit about the Lotus 25 I didn't say that it was
the car that he was driving at the time. I put the bit about the Lotus
25 in there because of it's historic status in F1, not because I
thought that was the car he was driving at the time.
>The car in question was a Lotus
>63. One of only two built. This was the four wheel drive car built in 1969
>and driven by Jochen Rindt and John Miles.Full details of the incident are
>posted on the Autosport site
>at www.autosport.com
Thanks for the extra info.
David Betts
Goodwood. I don't see any way it's off-topic to discuss it here.)
"Geoff Schuler" wrote
>
> John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
> Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the
> owner of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus
25
> chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
> championship in 1963.
>
> A sad loss...
Thanks for that. Geoff. I don't think many of us in the UK new
anything about him. I certainly didn't. Presumably a reasonably
experienced driver. He was certainly going for it.
I assume most people know that one of the marshalls died a few hours
later.
Cast a bit of a damper on Sunday for some us, inevitably, but the
event rightly continued and was as special as ever.
I don't doubt that there will be some pressure to end the timing of
runs next year, but people will still go for it anyway. After all, not
a lot of point if you don't stretch the cars.
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Fredrik B. Knutsen
Geoff Schuler wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> "I offer my deepest sympathy to his wife and family."
>
> John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
> Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the owner
> of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus 25
> chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
> championship in 1963.
>
> A sad loss...
>
Indeed. It happened not at Goodwood circuit, but at the finish line of
the hillclimb track which is basically Lord March's front drive up the
hill of the Goodwood estate.
It is a cross between a historic parade and a proper hillclimb, with
some people cruising up the hill gently in their precious machinery,
while others treat it as a proper competitive outing. Dawson-Damer was
in the 1969 Lotus-DFV 63, the 4WD car that was raced very briefly, and
he was certainly giving it some past us, although I remarked to David
Betts that the car appeared to be firing on 7 cylinders only. He went
off at the top of the hill, doing about 100mph and stood no chance as
the track is lined by stout trees.
The rest of the afternoon's activities were curtailed, but there were no
news of the condition of the people involved although David and I
realized it must have been a grave accident. We only learnt about it
from news on TV the same evening.
Yesterday's hillclimbing was carried out as planned, although the finish
gantry had been replaced by stacks of hay bales with the flag marshal
stacked on top of them.
Doc
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Nemo
Thanks for the information guys - much appreciated :-)
Sympathy to the families ... sad day :-(
Jane
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ross B
marshals putting themselves at danger (if you know what I mean). I went to
Goodwood and was amazed that the marshals stand in front of the barriers and
not behind!
Before they slow the cars they should review where the marshals stand, that
includes the spectacular marshals as well!
REMEMBER MOTORSPORT IS DANGEROUS, YOU ARE HERE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
RB
¤ D A B ¤ <feck...@deutsche-knicker.nl> wrote in message
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> "David Betts" <dav...@dbassoc.freeserve.co.uk> shocked
> rec.autos.sport.f1 by saying:
>
> >I don't doubt that there will be some pressure to end the timing of
> >runs next year, but people will still go for it anyway. After all, not
> >a lot of point if you don't stretch the cars.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Looked like a suspension failure to me.
>
> It was only a "practice" run, too, so the timing aspect is almost
> incidental.
Fredrik B. Knutsen
ross B wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to say but it's not the cars that put marshals in danger, it's the
> marshals putting themselves at danger (if you know what I mean). I went to
> Goodwood and was amazed that the marshals stand in front of the barriers and
> not behind!
You saw barriers at Goodwood? I only saw hay bales.
>
> Before they slow the cars they should review where the marshals stand, that
> includes the spectacular marshals as well!
Don't know what you mean by "spectacular marshals" but averybody who
ever worked at a race track is acutely aware of the risks. British motor
racing marshals are very well trained, and very well organized.
Marshalling at Goodwood is more precarious than at a proper circuit,
because there are no barriers and no concrete marshal's posts to give
protection. To suggest that marshals put themselves at risk unwittingly
is, frankly, ludicrous.
Doc
>
> REMEMBER MOTORSPORT IS DANGEROUS, YOU ARE HERE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>
> RB
>
> ¤ D A B ¤ <feck...@deutsche-knicker.nl> wrote in message
> news:395810ff...@tin.nl...
> > "David Betts" <dav...@dbassoc.freeserve.co.uk> shocked
> > rec.autos.sport.f1 by saying:
> >
> > >I don't doubt that there will be some pressure to end the timing of
> > >runs next year, but people will still go for it anyway. After all, not
> > >a lot of point if you don't stretch the cars.
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > Looked like a suspension failure to me.
> >
> > It was only a "practice" run, too, so the timing aspect is almost
> > incidental.
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>
>
> ross B wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry to say but it's not the cars that put marshals in danger, it's
the
> > marshals putting themselves at danger (if you know what I mean). I went
to
> > Goodwood and was amazed that the marshals stand in front of the barriers
and
> > not behind!
>
> You saw barriers at Goodwood? I only saw hay bales.
> >
> > Before they slow the cars they should review where the marshals stand,
that
> > includes the spectacular marshals as well!
>
> Don't know what you mean by "spectacular marshals" but averybody who
> ever worked at a race track is acutely aware of the risks. British motor
> racing marshals are very well trained, and very well organized.
> Marshalling at Goodwood is more precarious than at a proper circuit,
> because there are no barriers and no concrete marshal's posts to give
> protection. To suggest that marshals put themselves at risk unwittingly
> is, frankly, ludicrous.
> Doc
Of course!
But what I think he meant is that if your are willing to become a marshall
you have to be aware that it can happen. Your probably going to be closer to
the action than anyone else so your obviously more vulnerable in the event
of an accident and of course looking after the safety of others can
sometimes put you at risk.
The marshals are definitely entitled to as much safety as anyone else and so
on, and an accident such as this should not happen but I suppose hey have to
be aware when they take the job that it can happen.
GD
>
>>
>> A sad day for what has been a truely great event.
>>
>>
>I just saw what happened on the news and it was very unusual. His run
>seemed fine but just as he came to the finish line the car seemed to
>suddenly jerk to the left and crash into the gantry. Something must have
>broken because the way the car suddenly pulled to the left was almost too
>quick for it to be human error.
A year or two ago I saw a news report of a multiple road fatality.
A woman had let her car drift slightly off the road, so that
one wheel was on the gravel. For some reason she braked, and
since only the wheels on the road had any grip, the car spun
sideways, sending it over to the other side of the road, and
into the oncoming traffic.
To me, John Dawson-Damer's accident at Goodwood seemed to follow
that same scenario. Looked to me like he got one wheel on the
grass, and braked for some reason.
I know hindsight is very clear, but you have to say that in
hindsight, the placing of the marshals simply wasnt very safe.
Marc P. Gregoire
Toronto Dog
ross B wrote:
> I'm sorry to say but it's not the cars that put marshals in danger, it's the
> marshals putting themselves at danger (if you know what I mean). I went to
> Goodwood and was amazed that the marshals stand in front of the barriers and
> not behind!
>
> Before they slow the cars they should review where the marshals stand, that
> includes the spectacular marshals as well!
>
> REMEMBER MOTORSPORT IS DANGEROUS, YOU ARE HERE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Maybe if nobody signs up for marshal duty at Goodwood next year, they will
consider adding safer barriers. But it would take more fatalities for something
like that to happen I presume.
Geoff Schuler
<dav...@dbassoc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>([OT] removed. Plenty of F1 cars and drivers, present and former, at
>Goodwood. I don't see any way it's off-topic to discuss it here.)
>
>"Geoff Schuler" wrote
>>
>> John Dawson-Damer was the Chairman of the Historic Committee of the
>> Confederation of Australian MotorSports (CAMS). He was also the
>> owner of one of the most famous of all historic F1 cars, the Lotus
>25
>> chassis number R4, which Jim Clark drove to 7 wins and the driver's
>> championship in 1963.
>>
>> A sad loss...
>
>Thanks for that. Geoff. I don't think many of us in the UK new
>anything about him. I certainly didn't.
He would probably have wanted it that way. His attitude was that motor
racing is all about the cars, and the competition, and not about
personalities at all...
>Presumably a reasonably
>experienced driver.
I think that "enthusiastic amateur" would probably be the most
appropriate description for him, in the best possible interpretation
of that term.
I met him once, years ago, at a club meeting at Lakeside circuit
outside Brisbane, and was very impressed by his obvious enjoyment of
the true 'sporting' aspects of racing, going out and trying to beat
everybody else on the track, and retiring to re-fight all the battles
over a few drinks at the end of the day.
>He was certainly going for it.
He believed strongly in the principle of historic racing, in that
those cars were designed to be driven very quickly, and that it would
only be right to display them that way, "in their natural habitat" as
it were...
I know this is an old cliche, but in this case it's probably
appropriate... He died doing something that he *truly* enjoyed...
>I assume most people know that one of the marshalls died a few hours
>later.
Yes, I heard that later...
>Cast a bit of a damper on Sunday for some us, inevitably, but the
>event rightly continued and was as special as ever.
>
>I don't doubt that there will be some pressure to end the timing of
>runs next year, but people will still go for it anyway. After all, not
>a lot of point if you don't stretch the cars.
John Dawson-Damer would be most offended if his accident caused the
termination of the 'racing' aspects of Goodwood...
Ken Fletcher
¤ D A B ¤ <pi...@honeynet.com> wrote in message
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> "Marc P. Gregoire" <pdg...@telusplanet.net> shocked
rec.autos.sport.f1
> by saying:
>
> >Mr. Dawson-Damer died of a heart attack and was dead
before the impact.
>
did he ?
not at all DAb, your getting rusty....
It happens DAB, I was almost in an accident where a man in
his 50s had a sudden MI and took out 2 other cars. He was
the only death.
Ken
>
>
frank...@my-deja.com
50 before their run. I am not making fun of a tragic incident but the
safety appears to be a bit lax. 100 mph cars on narrow lanes can be a
bit dangerous. This is a marvelous event and would hate to see it
ruined.
In article <96211307...@tornado.direct-internet.net>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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Fredrik B. Knutsen
Ken Fletcher wrote:
>
> ¤ D A B ¤ <pi...@honeynet.com> wrote in message
> news:39596592....@tin.nl...
> > "Marc P. Gregoire" <pdg...@telusplanet.net> shocked
> rec.autos.sport.f1
> > by saying:
> >
> > >Mr. Dawson-Damer died of a heart attack and was dead
> before the impact.
> >
> > Rubbish. So he "died" from a coronary in half a second
> did he ?
>
> not at all DAb, your getting rusty....
>
> It happens DAB, I was almost in an accident where a man in
> his 50s had a sudden MI and took out 2 other cars. He was
> the only death.
Denny Hulme died in a racing car, without hitting anybody. Acute
ventricular fibrillation or asystolia will lead to almost instantaneous
loss of consciousness, and could well be the explaination for the Lotus
suddenly darting off course.
Doc
>
> Ken
frank...@my-deja.com
Any good ways to avoid this fate Doc? A dark red French tipple with
dinner regularly perhaps? In moderation of course.
Zonky
>Lord March better tighten up safety and hand out asprins to guys over
>50 before their run. I am not making fun of a tragic incident but the
>safety appears to be a bit lax. 100 mph cars on narrow lanes can be a
>bit dangerous. This is a marvelous event and would hate to see it
There are a considerable number of Hillclimb's in this country- not just Lord
March's and i fail to se why a death at a "high profile" event should change
anything over a form of motorsport that has operated this way for a millenia-
it is the ensence of Hillclimb.
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
frank...@my-deja.com
Toronto Dog
¤ D A B ¤ wrote:
> Toronto Dog <Toron...@hotmail.com> shocked rec.autos.sport.f1 by
> saying:
> The whole point of the festival is that there are no barriers as such,.
> You can walk around the open paddock, touch the cars, talk to the
> drivers and mechanics, stand 15 feet away from the start-line, etc etc
> .
Oh I've never been there. I live in Toronto. In 1997 or 96 there was a horrific
crash here when a CART racer went airborne on the Lakeshore straitaway and basically
his car chopped a marshal in half - the driver also was killed. I remember the next
year all kinds of new safety barriers and precautions were taken, but that is a
different level of racing. I guess the Goodwood track is less formal, and it sounds
like it is more intimate. But won't they even consider changing anything?
Ken Fletcher
> "Fredrik B. Knutsen" <d...@cheekracing.com> shocked rec.autos.sport.f1
> by saying:
>
> >
> >
> >Ken Fletcher wrote:
> >>
> >> ¤ D A B ¤ <pi...@honeynet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:39596592....@tin.nl...
> >> > "Marc P. Gregoire" <pdg...@telusplanet.net> shocked
> >> rec.autos.sport.f1
> >> > by saying:
> >> >
> >> > >Mr. Dawson-Damer died of a heart attack and was dead
> >> before the impact.
> >> >
> >> > Rubbish. So he "died" from a coronary in half a second
> >> did he ?
> >>
> >> not at all DAb, your getting rusty....
> >>
> >> It happens DAB, I was almost in an accident where a man in
> >> his 50s had a sudden MI and took out 2 other cars. He was
> >> the only death.
>
> was he "dead" then and there? that was what I meant above. That's why
> "died" was in the ol' inverteds. It is a personal bugbear.
I don't know about in the UK but nobody is actually dead in Canada until
someone signs the paper....
My father died just like like while Curling, of all things. Plonk down, no
warning and just plain gone, no doubt just as Doc said. I had a patient go
like this on me many years ago, walked into the ER, looked grey and scared,
had a left scpular pain, the ER nurses and myself immedeatly realized what
was up. We got him to the resus room, leads on, ivs in, monitor running.
Asystole and we could not get him back.... very spooky.
>
> >Denny Hulme died in a racing car, without hitting anybody. Acute
> >ventricular fibrillation or asystolia will lead to almost instantaneous
> >loss of consciousness, and could well be the explaination for the Lotus
> >suddenly darting off course.
>
> gents , gents ! I was querying the use of "dead before the impact"
> with such certainty from someone who is 13 years old [?] on another
> continent. Actual point of death has been discussed here rather too
> often in the past re: Mr. Senna. Lets wait for the inquest results.
yikes, still pretty invested in the medical DAB, it all sounds perfectly
reasonable from way over here and explains a lot.
Ken
>
> I still reckon it looked like suspension failure. The fact it was a
> Lotus of that vintage makes it all the more likely, I fear.
> __
> "The Lotus Elise is the most enjoyable car I have ever driven and one
> that every enthusiast must drive."
> Road & Track - August 1997
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ken Fletcher
> IME people suffering serious cardio prollems in cars tend to let go of
> the wheel and or brake, rather than turn sharply left into trees, but
> there is no rule to apply.
not the one who almost hit me, swerved left into the median, who's to say
which way a person will collapse, you got a scientific sample there DAB or
just an opinion???
Interested in what the inquest might say...
Ken
>
>
>