HHF and Schumacher
Mullacc
Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what happened
between MS and HHF? This is the first season I've really followed F1 and I
live in the states, so excuse my ignorance.
Joe McCallum
Caveman
Corinna SCHUMACHER....no wonder there is some friction between the two
aforementioned lads.....
K-man
Mullacc wrote in message <19990705031516...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
Stuart Smith
Mullacc wrote in message <19990705031516...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
>I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
including
>Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what happened
>between MS and HHF?
Well it's not unusual for MS to run other drivers of the road, so I'm pretty
sure you are refering to when MS decided he should be allowed to use the
entire track when coming out of the pits (never mind HHF was on the racing
line at racing speed at the time). So HHF was forced of the track, simply
because MS thinks he should be allowed to do anything he wants. Well that
may be a bit rough, I don't like Schumacher, but he is a very good driver
that tends to do some really stupid things, when he should know better.
That's the only "bad" incident I know of between the both of them, in F1.
Frank
Stuart Smith wrote:
Well Joe considering the fact that HHF has been running others off the road
in much the same way... I would have to say that HHF's tirade was still mostly
due to the fact that he still can't forgive MS for stealing Corina from him.
Personally, I think he should pretend it doesn't bother him; after all almost a
decade has past...
Hans V
<7lpqh6$sj7$1...@news.casema.net>...
> Apparently, Heinz used to be giving "it" to the woman who is now known as
> Corinna SCHUMACHER....no wonder there is some friction between the two
> aforementioned lads.....
Well, Heinz can just look at Corinna Schumacher, shroug his shoulders and
think "been there, done that" and give his gorgeous Tanja a kiss. Lucky
Guy!
And Schumacher should maybe consider bringing his Tecnogym trailer home
from work to let his wife have a go at it.
Hans
>
> K-man
> Mullacc wrote in message
<19990705031516...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
> >I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
> including
> >Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what happened
> >between MS and HHF? This is the first season I've really followed F1
nospam Alan O
>in much the same way... I would have to say that HHF's tirade was still mostly
>due to the fact that he still can't forgive MS for stealing Corina from him.
>Personally, I think he should pretend it doesn't bother him; after all almost a
>decade has past...
Can you provide an example of HHF running other drivers off the road?
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John Line
Stuart Smith <stuart...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>Mullacc wrote in message <19990705031516...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
>>I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
>including
>>Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what happened
>>between MS and HHF?
>
>sure you are refering to when MS decided he should be allowed to use the
>entire track when coming out of the pits (never mind HHF was on the racing
>line at racing speed at the time). So HHF was forced of the track, simply
>because MS thinks he should be allowed to do anything he wants. Well that
>may be a bit rough, I don't like Schumacher, but he is a very good driver
>that tends to do some really stupid things, when he should know better.
>That's the only "bad" incident I know of between the both of them, in F1.
I thought MS' explanation was that (a) the blue "traffic approaching" flag
was not being waved at the pit lane exit, so the track should have been
clear and (b) he didn't see HHF in the limited field of view of his mirrors
(and poor visibility) as he moved onto the track. I don't recall
hearing if (a) was confirmed or denied by the FIA/track authorities. Either
way, we now have clearly marked "filter lanes" at the pit lane exit to avoid
repeats of that problem, so some good came of it.
John Line
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Colin J. Sinclair
> > Well Joe considering the fact that HHF has been running others off the road
> >in much the same way... I would have to say that HHF's tirade was still mostly
> >due to the fact that he still can't forgive MS for stealing Corina from him.
> >Personally, I think he should pretend it doesn't bother him; after all almost a
> >decade has past...
>
> Can you provide an example of HHF running other drivers off the road?
>
Running Damon Hill off the road repeatedly during the 1998 season. One
specific example that springs to mind is the 1998 Spanish GP, where HHF
ran Hill off the road. This prompted the comment by Hill "That guy is a
few bricks shy of a full load.".
Cheers,
Colin
"A really good scapegoat is almost as good as a solution."
Martin Schmidt
including
> Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what
happened
and I
> live in the states, so excuse my ignorance.
>
It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
Ralf's father). MS was always an unfair driver and when Harald Frentzen
(Heinz-Harald's father) was complaining about MS, Rolf Sch. threatened
to refuse HHF access to the track (and we are talking about German
championship races!!!).
--
Martin Schmidt
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Goodbye Damon
Matthias Flatt
<RemoveThis...@gmx.net> wrote:
>It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
>on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
>Ralf's father).
I think that's the track that was founded by Wolfgang Graf Berghe von
Trips, who brought karts to Germany?
--
Matthias Flatt
Bumble Bee Boy 2.15
Sinclair <cj...@st-andrews.ac.uk> said the following......
Hmm, that is once, I can recall one other incident in a qualifying
session but that wasn't with Hill.
>
>"A really good scapegoat is almost as good as a solution."
>
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Frank
care if it was Irvine or is teammate JV... one of them wasn't going the distance
that day...
nospam Alan O wrote:
> > Well Joe considering the fact that HHF has been running others off the road
> >in much the same way... I would have to say that HHF's tirade was still mostly
> >due to the fact that he still can't forgive MS for stealing Corina from him.
> >Personally, I think he should pretend it doesn't bother him; after all almost a
> >decade has past...
>
> Can you provide an example of HHF running other drivers off the road?
>
Sander Meijer
>
> Well Joe considering the fact that HHF has been running others off the road
>in much the same way... I would have to say that HHF's tirade was still mostly
>due to the fact that he still can't forgive MS for stealing Corina from him.
>Personally, I think he should pretend it doesn't bother him; after all almost a
>decade has past...
I thought HHF dumped his girlfriend.
Eduard Schilden
Martin Schmidt heeft geschreven in bericht <7lqm3p$1vf$2...@fu-berlin.de>...
>> I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
>including
>> Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what
>happened
>> between MS and HHF? This is the first season I've really followed F1
>and I
>> live in the states, so excuse my ignorance.
>>
>
>on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
>(Heinz-Harald's father) was complaining about MS, Rolf Sch. threatened
>to refuse HHF access to the track (and we are talking about German
>championship races!!!).
>
>--
>Martin Schmidt
>Please reply to Ikar...@gmx.net
>
>Goodbye Damon
>
>
This is not true.They were friends in that period.Schumacher even looked up
to Frentzen cause Heinz was older and was faster.
It all started to go down-hill between them when Schumacher went dating
Corina.But the relationship is still not as bad as is stated.
Bumble Bee Boy 2.15
<e.sch...@planet.nl> said the following......
quite a bit to piss him off. Look at his girlfriend, why would he be
angry with MSchuey still?? I've seen them talking together, not best of
friends anymore but they are probably as friendly with each other as
with most of the other drivers.
Borger Borgersen
news:7lr8j4$lhv$1...@reader1.wxs.nl...
>
> Martin Schmidt heeft geschreven in bericht <7lqm3p$1vf$2...@fu-berlin.de>...
> >> I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
> >including
> >> Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what
> >happened
> >> between MS and HHF? This is the first season I've really followed F1
> >and I
> >> live in the states, so excuse my ignorance.
> >>
> >
> >It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
> >on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
> >Ralf's father). MS was always an unfair driver and when Harald Frentzen
> >(Heinz-Harald's father) was complaining about MS, Rolf Sch. threatened
> >to refuse HHF access to the track (and we are talking about German
> >championship races!!!).
> >
> >--
> >Martin Schmidt
> >Please reply to Ikar...@gmx.net
> >
> >Goodbye Damon
> >
> >
>
> This is not true.They were friends in that period.Schumacher even looked
up
> to Frentzen cause Heinz was older and was faster.
> It all started to go down-hill between them when Schumacher went dating
> Corina.But the relationship is still not as bad as is stated.
People are saying Schumacher "stole" Frentzen's girlfriend
(Corinna Betsch), but nobody has ever mentioned what
*she* wanted. It's if she didn't have anything to say in this
matter.
I believe this is not true. If Corinna Betsch switched from
Frentzen to Schumacher then it is because *she* wanted to
let this happen. Not because Schumacher lured her to make
a decision she didn't want to.
You can, of course, say you shall not mess with a girlfriend or
ex-girlfriend of your friend. I can agree with such an argument.
Schumacher has definitely hurt Frentzen's feelings by dating
her *too soon* or else he wouldn't have been so upset.
But Corinna Betsch is as much to "blame" as Schumacher in
that matter. We don't know the real circumstances why Corinna
Betsch switched from Frentzen to Schumacher. Maybe Frentzen
was dumped by her. Or maybe it was vice-versa.
Maybe Schumacher should have waited until Frentzen had got
himself another girlfriend before dating Corinna Betsch.
If Schumacher courted Corinna Betsch while she was still
Frentzen's girlfriend, *then* we can say he stole her from him.
But do we really know that this is how Frentzen lost her.
Does anyone know when Schumacher actually started to date
Corinna Betsch? Was it before of after she split up with
Frentzen?
But this story has really started to become stale. I don't
think Schumacher or Frentzen is thinking too much about it
anymore. Frentzen has a new pretty girlfriend. Why grieve
about past girlfriends when you can have a lot of fun with
the one you have right now.
Regards
Borger Borgersen
Oslo, Norway
chris www.achiew.com/f1/
than schumacher (brazil this year, schumacher not raising a sweat, H.H sliping
into cardiac arrest), but he has the style and is so smooth unlike Michael who
is awkward boring and stale.
Hans V
<7lqm3p$1vf$2...@fu-berlin.de>...
> > I recently read someone mentioned MS' quarrels with several drivers
> including
> > Damon, Gerhard, and HHF. I've heard about the others, but what
> happened
> > between MS and HHF? This is the first season I've really followed F1
> and I
> > live in the states, so excuse my ignorance.
> >
>
> It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
> on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
> Ralf's father). MS was always an unfair driver and when Harald Frentzen
> (Heinz-Harald's father) was complaining about MS, Rolf Sch. threatened
> to refuse HHF access to the track (and we are talking about German
> championship races!!!).
In an interview last year Zanardi joked about another episode when he and
Schumacher had been fighting about a big Go-Kart race. Schumacher had spun
or something and lost a lot to Zanardi. Schumachers dad then went on to the
track, somehow managing to block Zanardi giving MS an advantage to win the
race. I can't recall it correctly, but Zanardi just laughed about the whole
thing and said something about being happy to fight with MS as long as his
dad wouldn't interfere.
Hans
Stefan Wende
...
> You can, of course, say you shall not mess with a girlfriend or
> ex-girlfriend of your friend. I can agree with such an argument.
> Schumacher has definitely hurt Frentzen's feelings by dating
> her *too soon* or else he wouldn't have been so upset.
It is by no means clear he really was upset because if this.
I personnally believe the whole story about HHF holding grudge against
MS because of Corinna was mostly made up by germnan media - I never read
or heard anything from HHF about it. There is a bit of tension between
HHF ans MS, because MS puts racing and success above everything (or at
least used to do so), which HHF could not really understand.
I think you could compare theit relationship a bit to that of Boris
Becker and Michael Stich - however successful Michael was, everyone
wanted to know about Boris. An bit the same situation for HHF, I'd say.
< lots of stuff I agree to snipped >
--
Stevie
Life is a road, not a destination
Stefan Wende
...
> It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
> on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
> Ralf's father). MS was always an unfair driver and when Harald Frentzen
> (Heinz-Harald's father) was complaining about MS, Rolf Sch. threatened
> to refuse HHF access to the track (and we are talking about German
> championship races!!!).
Nice Story.
Although not true, I'm afraid.
Michael's father never owned a go-kart track.
Zonkie
>Caveman <er...@hotmail.com> skrev i artikkelen
><7lpqh6$sj7$1...@news.casema.net>...
>> Apparently, Heinz used to be giving "it" to the woman who is now known as
>> Corinna SCHUMACHER....no wonder there is some friction between the two
>> aforementioned lads.....
>
>Well, Heinz can just look at Corinna Schumacher, shroug his shoulders and
>think "been there, done that" and give his gorgeous Tanja a kiss. Lucky
>Guy!
>
>And Schumacher should maybe consider bringing his Tecnogym trailer home
>from work to let his wife have a go at it.
>
>Hans
rather overhyped. Corinna and HHF had been apart for sometime before she
started seeing Schumacher.
Z.
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Matthias Flatt
wrote:
>> It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
>> on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
>> Ralf's father).
>Nice Story.
>Although not true, I'm afraid.
>Michael's father never owned a go-kart track.
Nice answer.
Although not true, I'm afraid.
http://www.kart-club-kerpen.de/alg/chron.htm
--
Matthias Flatt
Stefan Wende
...
> Nice answer.
> Although not true, I'm afraid.
>
> http://www.kart-club-kerpen.de/alg/chron.htm
>
Nice site.
But still Rolf Schumacher does not "own" that thing.
Apart from that, it strikes me as quite funny that the story about
Michael's father threatening other drivers is related to at least two
different drivers.
I wonder why Damon Hil is misssing in the list :-)
Guido Schimmels
>On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:56:56 +0200, Stefan Wende <swe...@gmx.net>
>wrote:
>>> It already started when both were Go-Kart-Kids. There were several races
>>> on a Go-Kart track in Kerpen, owned by Rolf Schumacher (Michael's and
>>> Ralf's father).
>>Nice Story.
>>Although not true, I'm afraid.
>>Michael's father never owned a go-kart track.
>
>Nice answer.
>Although not true, I'm afraid.
>
>http://www.kart-club-kerpen.de/alg/chron.htm
O dear, the truth is really quite simple.
MS's father didn't own the go-kart track *then*, but he does *now*.
(guess where he has the money from)
When MS was a child, his father was a worker at the track with a
small income.
MS:" I drove the tyres others had dumped to buy new ones from Italy,
but I won nevertheless."
Growing up as working class boy, no surprise he has learned to enjoy
the fun of pushing those arrogant rich sons from the track ;-)
--
Guido
Martin Schmidt
Did you know that Corinna started dating Schumacher in1991? The year
when MS was driving F1 for the first time.
Shane King
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