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NEAL ZIERKE

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Sep 7, 2007, 3:31:41 PM9/7/07
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Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.

Watch BE and Mad Max. go nuts,


News

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Sep 7, 2007, 3:42:28 PM9/7/07
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NEAL ZIERKE wrote:
> Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.
>
> Watch BE and Mad Max. go nuts,
>
>


McMerc could up a "Formula Outlaw" series...

gs

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Sep 7, 2007, 3:49:35 PM9/7/07
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Good idea, they could allow things like team orders - so that would
have fiat interested, or drivers accidentally stopping on the track to
bugger up others qualifying session - no hang on that would be fiat
again, perhaps they could allow questionable parts on their cars that
did not fit in with the rules.......

It's funny how people are blinkered to other teams who may push the
rules a little at times for their own ends if that team is the one
they follow.

Al

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Sep 7, 2007, 4:13:49 PM9/7/07
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"gs" <gp.sk...@talk21.com> wrote in message
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Yup, you've just demonstrated it perfectly.


forty

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Sep 7, 2007, 4:16:41 PM9/7/07
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Call it "FU"

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News

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Sep 7, 2007, 4:19:31 PM9/7/07
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Make it open wheeled Can Am, unlimited.

Or fix the present F1 (it is broken).

Seems to me that's the choice spectrum.

News

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Sep 7, 2007, 4:21:02 PM9/7/07
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forty wrote:

> News wrote:
>
>>
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>> NEAL ZIERKE wrote:
>>
>>> Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.
>>>
>>> Watch BE and Mad Max. go nuts,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> McMerc could up a "Formula Outlaw" series...
>
>
> Call it "FU"
>

Right, Unlimited.

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Astraman

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Sep 7, 2007, 6:36:52 PM9/7/07
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"noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> In article <xGhEi.54$Ot1.21@trnddc07>,

> "NEAL ZIERKE" <deni...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.
>
> Nobody would miss them. They've been nothing but a drag on the sport.
>

A tad unfair, personally I am not a McLaren fan and it pains me to will
Alonso to win while driving for them, however I am a Ferrari fan yet I can't
find it in me to back Kimi.


BigBird

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Sep 7, 2007, 7:18:40 PM9/7/07
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Ar wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:49:35 -0000, gs scribed:


>
> >> McMerc could up a "Formula Outlaw" series...
> >
> > Good idea, they could allow things like team orders - so that would
> > have fiat interested, or drivers accidentally stopping on the track
> > to bugger up others qualifying session - no hang on that would be
> > fiat again, perhaps they could allow questionable parts on their
> > cars that did not fit in with the rules.......
>

> Questionable parts like...
> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/9/6718.html

There is nothing questionable about that part.

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Phil Carmody

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Sep 8, 2007, 6:07:31 AM9/8/07
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Ar <Ar@::1.t> writes:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:49:35 -0000, gs scribed:
>

> >> McMerc could up a "Formula Outlaw" series...
> >
> > Good idea, they could allow things like team orders - so that would
> > have fiat interested, or drivers accidentally stopping on the track to
> > bugger up others qualifying session - no hang on that would be fiat
> > again, perhaps they could allow questionable parts on their cars that
> > did not fit in with the rules.......
>

Could you please list clearly examples of what you
consider to be /significant/ modifications to a gearbox,
and what you consider to be modifications to a gearbox
which are /not significant/.

Back up your examples with cited clauses from the FIA
regulations, where possible, please.

And finally, please tell me what modifications were made
to the McLaren gearbox, so that we can verify for ourselves
that indeed the changes were significant.

Phil
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Luigi Topolino

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Sep 8, 2007, 9:45:36 AM9/8/07
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:31:41 GMT, "NEAL ZIERKE" <deni...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.

Too late.

They could have salvaged their own reputations, and those of F1 and
sport in general, by withdrawing from this season when they were first
determined to be guilty of possessing purloined Ferrari technical
information, that would have been the responsible, noble, manly, if
difficult, thing to do.

We all know what, and why, they chose as an alternative.

>Watch BE and Mad Max. go nuts,

McLaren is not F1, something too many seem to understand.

Luigi Topolino

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Sep 8, 2007, 9:52:25 AM9/8/07
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:31:41 GMT, "NEAL ZIERKE" <deni...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>Quit, just come out an quit F1 all together.

Too late.

They could have salvaged their own reputations, and those of F1 and
sport in general, by withdrawing from this season when they were first
determined to be guilty of possessing purloined Ferrari technical
information, that would have been the responsible, noble, manly, if
difficult, thing to do.

We all know what, they chose as an alternative, and why.

>Watch BE and Mad Max. go nuts,

McLaren is not F1, something too [few] seem to understand.

gs

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Sep 8, 2007, 9:55:10 AM9/8/07
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> McLaren is not F1, something too many seem to understand.


However many don't understand that FIAT are not the be all end all of
F1.

Luigi Topolino

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Sep 8, 2007, 10:25:43 AM9/8/07
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:55:10 -0000, gs <gp.sk...@talk21.com> wrote:
>> McLaren is not F1, something too [few] seem to understand.

>
>However many don't understand that FIAT are not the be all end all of
>F1.

A tertiary sponsor, at best.

Suzieflame

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Sep 8, 2007, 11:44:54 AM9/8/07
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"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical
director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a
clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand
Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in
the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the
car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship.
Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any
difference to Ferrari."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article2042025.ece

http://sport.independent.co.uk/motor_racing/article2737046.ece

Suzie
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Luigi Topolino

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Sep 8, 2007, 12:00:12 PM9/8/07
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Propaganda 101: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

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BigBird

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Sep 9, 2007, 5:35:21 PM9/9/07
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Ar wrote:

> On 7 Sep 2007 23:18:40 GMT, BigBird scribed:


>
> >> Questionable parts like...
> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/9/6718.html
> >
> > There is nothing questionable about that part.
>

> It was allowed to race (no docking of any points won), even though it
> was not a part crash-tested as it was supposed to ahve, and so should
> never have been used in a race. Instead McL have a wimp fine imposed.

The manner of introduction may have been questionable, the part is not.

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