Double trouble for Lewis
J
Lewis Hamilton brushed aside his double dose of disappointment on his
first official test day of the new year.
The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car on
the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
Spain.
He blamed a lack of engine braking, and said: "Without these controls
helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
rear wheels."
braf...@hotmail.com
> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car on
> the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
> Spain.
*** ---- presumably no other driver went off at Jerez during testing
this year, and "therefore" Hamilton is, what: no good? -- and every
other driver, none of whom went off, is "better" than Hamilton? You
should be Chair of Advanced Critical Thinking at Cambridge. (The
chair out back of the Tesco's in Cambridge, that is.) ***
forty
> Jeez, bring over Bill Auberlin
It's "Auberlen"
--
forty
"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I like
to think that I walk that line every day of my life."
MW
"noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> In article <q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com>,
> J <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.teletext.co.uk/sport/motor/stories/2/F1+Double+trouble+for+Lewis.as
>> px
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton brushed aside his double dose of disappointment on his
>> first official test day of the new year.
>>
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car on
>> the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
>> Spain.
>>
>> He blamed a lack of engine braking, and said: "Without these controls
>> helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
>> rear wheels."
>
> drive a car that has no assists.
>
> --
>
>
Makes me wonder if there were under-performing drivers in recent years that
would have done better if the field had always been without assists.
MW
Quentin Queerbottom
"noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> In article <q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com>,
> J <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.teletext.co.uk/sport/motor/stories/2/F1+Double+trouble+for+Lewis.as
>> px
>>
>> first official test day of the new year.
>>
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car on
>> the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
>> Spain.
>>
>> He blamed a lack of engine braking, and said: "Without these controls
>> helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
>> rear wheels."
>
> drive a car that has no assists.
Engine braking is an assist? Even my old jalopy has it, dear boy.
Don't forget, I'm after your arse.
News
MW wrote:
Ya think?
ric zito
> > He blamed a lack of engine braking, and said: "Without these controls
> > helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
> > rear wheels."
>
> Jeez, bring over Bill Auberlin or Juan Montoya to show the kid how to
> drive a car that has no assists.
Am I wrong, or is Villeneuve making Montoya look a bit of a slug in
recent NASCAR tests?
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
CatharticF1
news:q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com:
> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
> southern Spain.
So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
The man is a GOD.
--
CatharticF1
Alan LeHun
no...@nowhere.com says...
> > He blamed a lack of engine braking, and said: "Without these controls
> > helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
> > rear wheels."
>
> drive a car that has no assists.
>
How do you drive a car without using the engine?
--
Alan LeHun
AC
"CatharticF1" <efer...@heaven.net> wrote in message
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>J <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com:
>
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
>> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
>> southern Spain.
>
> So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
> The man is a GOD.
>
Hail Lewis. The Lewis is King.
AC
AC
"J" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Ah, so he's testing then. Good lad.
Any driver who hasnt come off clearly doesnt know the real limits of thier
car. I guess Lewis now does.
AC
Brian Lawrence
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
>> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
>> southern Spain.
>
> So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
> The man is a GOD.
Reminds one of a recently retired WDC who regularly went off during
testing or GP practice. Exploring the limits they called it.
DC
wrote:
>J <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
>news:q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com:
>
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
>> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
>> southern Spain.
>
>So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
>The man is a GOD.
Back under your stone, Brenda. At least wait until the season starts
before starting your shite...
David
Bob Dubery
> Makes me wonder if there were under-performing drivers in recent years that
> would have done better if the field had always been without assists.
I think that some drivers fitted in better with the regulations of the
time than others. Part of this is adaptability, part of it is drivers
hitting their straps, part of it is down to different approaches to
driving that better suit, or at less constrained by, different sets of
regulations and circumstances.
Mika Hakkinen was very happy after testing the first "narrow" McLaren
(after the track of the cars was reduced for the 1998 season), saying
that he could now drive an F1 car the way he'd always wanted to drive.
The change to the narrower cars seems to have suited him. Jacques
Villeneuve was less happy.
Schumacher had always looked fast and smart but came into his own when
re-fuelling was brought back into F1. Was that because he and Brawn
realised before anybody else how to modify their tactics? Was it that
a race broken into 3 or 4 sprints suited him better? Was he going to
be a great driver and a multiple champion anyway? Perhaps each of
those factors has some weight.
Senna thought that the increasing use of electronics reduced the gap
between the best and worst drivers. Certainly he had less need for
traction control than some of his rivals - he'd always shown a great
ability to control power with his right foot. Indeed he might have
been constrained by the electronics at first as he used to use rapid
adjustments of the throttle in the corners. He might not have liked
having his own instincts and judgement being overruled by a computer.
And, certainly in the last couple of years, traction control has not
just been "on" or "off". Most cars have had levels of traction control
that can be applied. And even when it's set up the same for both cars
in a team, both drivers's styles do not invoke it to the same degree.
It's often remarked that Jenson Button uses very little traction
control, or that the computers controlling the TC system see less need
to apply it when Button is driving.
Improved braking systems may similarly have benefitted some drivers
more than others. I recall some years ago (though I can't remember
which year) Jonathon Palmer, who knows a thing or two about driving a
race car, commentating at Monza whilst Michael Schumacher was on a hot
lap. Palmer remarked how Schumacher was saving time in one corner by
means of cadence braking on the approach. The remark was along the
lines of "cadence braking from 200 mph without locking the wheels -
that is remarkable."
It may be too that the number of systems on the cars, their increasing
complexity, and the need for adjustment during the race or even during
a lap may have hindered some drivers less than others. Notably Michael
Schumacher who, as we were often told, had more of a mental reserve
than most when driving on the limit.
My earlier remarks about Senna prompted some musing on my part. Senna,
Prost and other drivers of that generation controlled more power with
their right foot, and with very great precision, than modern F1 cars
generate - and they had no electronics helping them out.
I don't believe it's suddenly impossible for racing drivers to control
the power of a modern F1 car without TC. Some adjustment and
acclimatisation may be required, but I don't believe the "educated
right foot" gene has suddenly disappeared from the human race.
Bob Dubery
<feeling_a_little_qu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Engine braking is an assist? Even my old jalopy has it, dear boy.
Do F1 cars have much in the way of engine braking? Do they even have a
fly wheel?
Iridium
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Agreed - how many times did Schumacher used to stack it in testing/practice?
--
Dan
Clio V6
forty
*ahem* 'Tis only testing? ;-)
...and my Canadian friends won't shut up about it.
David Hearn
or in qualifying, and right on a tight bend, during his in-lap...
D
MW
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for your thoughts.
> I don't believe it's suddenly impossible for racing drivers to control
> the power of a modern F1 car without TC. Some adjustment and
> acclimatisation may be required, but I don't believe the "educated
> right foot" gene has suddenly disappeared from the human race.
It has on California highways. =)
MW
Pete M
MW,<som...@microsoft.com> managed to produce the following words of
wisdom
> "Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:306590c8-5bd6-483b...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>> I don't believe it's suddenly impossible for racing drivers to
>> control the power of a modern F1 car without TC. Some adjustment and
>> acclimatisation may be required, but I don't believe the "educated
>> right foot" gene has suddenly disappeared from the human race.
>
> It has on California highways. =)
along with all the other "educated" genes :-p
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CatharticF1
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You can't take my fun away you know.
Who would have thought I'd find someone I disliked more than JPM!
BTW - who is your most disliked driver now MS has stopped inflicting pain
by winning everything multiple times?
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CatharticF1
a_Frank
wrote:
>BTW - who is your most disliked driver now MS has stopped inflicting pain
>by winning everything multiple times?
>
Hm... you drive, don't you ? ;-)
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Regards, Frank
CatharticF1
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Only if I'm drinking.
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AC
"Ar" <Ar@::1.h> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:19:09 +0000, J scribed:
>
>> http://www.teletext.co.uk/sport/motor/stories/2/F1+Double+trouble+for+Lewis.aspx
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton brushed aside his double dose of disappointment on his
>> first official test day of the new year.
>>
>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car on
>> the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
>> Spain.
>>
>> He blamed a lack of engine braking
>
No, I think its engine baking.
AC
DC
wrote:
>DC <gojphN...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:nrcuo3hjt1ck9r33m...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:57:02 GMT, CatharticF1 <efer...@heaven.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
>>>news:q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
>>>> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
>>>> southern Spain.
>>>
>>>So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
>>>The man is a GOD.
>>
>> Back under your stone, Brenda. At least wait until the season starts
>> before starting your shite...
>
>You can't take my fun away you know.
I'll have a damn good try... :-P
>Who would have thought I'd find someone I disliked more than JPM!
With even less justification...
>BTW - who is your most disliked driver now MS has stopped inflicting pain
>by winning everything multiple times?
I don't know - who is? And care to provide a cite for your thesis...?
David
RzR
> DC <gojphN...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:nrcuo3hjt1ck9r33m...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:57:02 GMT, CatharticF1 <efer...@heaven.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
>>>news:q3mso3p74efl1n2q1...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> The 23-year-old Briton twice went off the track in McLaren's new car
>>>> on the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in
>>>> southern Spain.
>>>
>>>So - pretty much continuing his form then, even without TC.
>>>The man is a GOD.
>>
>> Back under your stone, Brenda. At least wait until the season starts
>> before starting your shite...
>
> You can't take my fun away you know.
> Who would have thought I'd find someone I disliked more than JPM!
gee...thats really a tough one, considering you are a racist sob :)
> BTW - who is your most disliked driver now MS has stopped inflicting pain
> by winning everything multiple times?
>
lol we especially liked how he was inflicting pain in 2005/2006...or did you
follow something else in those years?
Grant
>
> Lewis Hamilton brushed aside his double dose of disappointment on his
> first official test day of the new year.
>
> the final day of a three-day session at the Jerez circuit in southern
> Spain.
>
> helping you on the entry to corners, there is a lot more locking of the
> rear wheels."
>
>