Told you it was a big mistake for Hamilton to Leave McLaren for Mercedes-Benz

[tony...@gmail.com]

"Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After yesterday is anyone still saying that?

[AC]

tony...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>

Yeah, I've been wondering that too. Its been very quiet on that front.

--
AC

[Noj]

tony...@gmail.com wrote ...

>
> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After yesterday is anyone still saying that?

Best load of bollocks I've read was "Have McLaren built the 2013 car to
suit LH and that's why JB can't get it to go?"

[tony...@gmail.com]

Wow!! That is pathetic and funny both at the same time.

[Alister]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:43:28 -0700, tonymitch wrote:

> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
> yesterday is anyone still saying that?

with the information available at the time I stick by my opinion that
Mclaren would have been the more sensible bet.

Sundays result suggest that he may indeed have picked the right team, but
that was probably more luck than judgement.

an example would be playing Blackjack.
it is possible to win by hitting on a hand that you should stand on, but
in the long run playing by the gut instead of the book will cost you more.

There is still a long way to go this season
--
Blessed are the forgetful: for they get the better even of their
blunders.
-- Nietzsche

[Noj]

Alister wrote ...

>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:43:28 -0700, tonymitch wrote:
>
> > "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
> > yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>
> with the information available at the time I stick by my opinion that
> Mclaren would have been the more sensible bet.
>
> Sundays result suggest that he may indeed have picked the right team, but
> that was probably more luck than judgement.
>
> an example would be playing Blackjack.

'Cos LH is black ?

[Bobster]

On Mar 18, 8:34 pm, Alister <alister.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:43:28 -0700, tonymitch wrote:
> > "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz".  After
> > yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>
> with the information available at the time I stick by my opinion that
> Mclaren would have been the more sensible bet.
>
> Sundays result suggest that he may indeed have picked the right team, but
> that was probably more luck than judgement.

Well yes... that Merc outran Macca at one race does not mean that
Hamilton read anything accurately. He may just have got lucky - but
this sort luck is a factor in F1. Sometimes you make an unexpectedly
good move, sometimes it doesn't work as well as you expect. But you
can't know at the time.

It also remains to be seen if Merc have a long term future in F1. The
record of manufacturer teams in F1 in this regard is not great. But LH
might not be looking for a long-term relationship anyway.

[pltrgyst]

On 3/18/13 2:44 PM, Noj wrote:

>> an example would be playing Blackjack.
>
> 'Cos LH is black ?

Jesus, you deserve the return domain name you use. {plonk}

-- Larry

[Noj]

pltrgyst wrote ...

YFI

[AC]

Alister wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:43:28 -0700, tonymitch wrote:
>
>> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
>> yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>
> with the information available at the time I stick by my opinion that
> Mclaren would have been the more sensible bet.
>
> Sundays result suggest that he may indeed have picked the right team, but
> that was probably more luck than judgement.
>
> an example would be playing Blackjack.
> it is possible to win by hitting on a hand that you should stand on, but
> in the long run playing by the gut instead of the book will cost you more.
>
> There is still a long way to go this season
>

People are missing the point. Even the OP. Lewis didn't leave McLaren
for Merc for performance reasons. It was personal, growing up, growing
out, commercial, management, image, whatever. Never was performance
given as a reason. So, the relative performance of the two teams is
irrelevant.

Nice for Lewis that he can look back a McLaren and say, "phew", but
that's just icing on the cake.

--
AC

[John Briggs]

Actually, that's not impossible - the lead time for a new car is so long
that work would have had to have started before the 2012 car was raced.
And long before LH decided to jump ship.
--
John Briggs

[John Briggs]

On 18/03/2013 18:34, Alister wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:43:28 -0700, tonymitch wrote:
>
>> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
>> yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>
> with the information available at the time I stick by my opinion that
> Mclaren would have been the more sensible bet.
>
> Sundays result suggest that he may indeed have picked the right team, but
> that was probably more luck than judgement.
>
> an example would be playing Blackjack.
> it is possible to win by hitting on a hand that you should stand on, but
> in the long run playing by the gut instead of the book will cost you more.
>
> There is still a long way to go this season

And it will seem very, very long for McLaren.
--
John Briggs

[Noj]

AC wrote ...

If people can't be arsed to read the LH column on the BBC site!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21793873

[Noj]

John Briggs wrote ...

Who do you think was the golden boy at McLaren last year?

I'll give you a clue, he wasn't black.

[Bobster]

True. People don't always jump ship to get a faster car.

I think we on the outside tend to look at it as "goes faster = good
move" because that's what we perceive racers as - motivated by winning
races.

So from that comes the situation where if a guy moves and he wins or
is closer to the front we regard him, retrospectively, as a smart
cookie and if the reverse happens then we regard it as a bad move and
perhaps regard him as a fool.

In reality that move has to be made in real time before either
eventuality can unfold.

But I think you're right. Lewis's move wasn't just about money or
winning, and "success", for him, is on his terms.

[Bobster]

Sure. Whatever. He's unlikely, at this stage, to put out a column that
says "Ron was right and I was a fool" even if Merc qualified on the
back row and ate all their tyres before half distance. We'd get
something like "It's a new car, and like all new cars there's some
understanding required before it's potential can be unlocked.
Meanwhile I'm happier here because I can express myself a little
more."

[RzR]

On 3/18/2013 3:43 PM, tony...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>

it doesnt make a difference...in mclaren, he would still come in 5th

[Bigbird]

Well the title is enough to put me off. Could you read it to me.

[Bigbird]

Never scared to state the obvious.

> But I think you're right. Lewis's move wasn't just about money or
> winning, and "success", for him, is on his terms.

...and finally the point.

I think you're wrong. It is about winning...but not necessarily this
year or even next.

[AC]

Lewis thinks Merc are the better bet for a WDC? Fair enough, but I've
never seen him or any one else in the know say that. I think it is clear
Lewis just had to leave McLaren, Merc were essentially the best team he
could go to at that time.

--
AC

[Bigbird]

I don't think he thought of it like that necessarily but he does think
it's possible there and that it would be seen as the greater
achievement...and he has said something along those lines.

[AC]

Oh definitely. Its like when MS went to Ferrari.

I think of football. Go to ManU and sure are supposed to win, so it
becomes no big deal. Winning is just expected. Bring "glory" to, say,
Newcastle, and the winning is far more satisfying. "You" helped build
that victory. Same for Lewis at Merc, hopefully.


--
AC

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Noj wrote:
>
> If people can't be arsed to read the LH column on the BBC site!
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21793873

Bloody hell! Me! Me! Me! He's supposed to be a sports columnist, writing
about F1 - not writing a vanity blog.

Bring back Webber!
--
/Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

[Noj]

~misfit~ wrote ...

>
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Noj wrote:
> >
> > If people can't be arsed to read the LH column on the BBC site!
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21793873
>
> Bloody hell! Me! Me! Me! He's supposed to be a sports columnist, writing
> about F1 - not writing a vanity blog.

P - K - B

>
> Bring back Webber!

[texasgate]

On Mar 19, 1:29 am, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.usenetNOS...@Gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you read it to me.

Yes, he will read it to you. For a bedtime story. With his finger up
your butt.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Noj wrote:
> ~misfit~ wrote ...
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Noj wrote:
>>>
>>> If people can't be arsed to read the LH column on the BBC site!
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21793873
>>
>> Bloody hell! Me! Me! Me! He's supposed to be a sports columnist,
>> writing about F1 - not writing a vanity blog.
>
>
> P - K - B

I'm not getting paid to write though. Ergo I can write WTF I want. Bit
different if the Beeb was calling me a sports journo and paying me.....

Oh, and if you don't like my posts then why don't you follow your advice to
Bob a few days ago and killfile me? Or at least don't reply.....

TTFNB

[CatharticF1]

tony...@gmail.com wrote in
news:58a71263-c76e-4d21...@googlegroups.com:

> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
> yesterday is anyone still saying that?

It's a long season and viewed over a few seasons I (still) believe it is a
mistake, yes. That's not to say it isn't possible for Mercedes to deliver
him a championship or race winning car, but I believe McLaren a better bet.

I thought Mercedes testing pace was, as it proved to be in previous
seasons, misrepresenting their chances. Their performance in the race in
Australia showed that they are perhaps 4th best - their wet / mixed
conditions pace notwithstanding.

--
CatharticF1

I can't resist no crossing signs

[AC]

CatharticF1 wrote:
> tony...@gmail.com wrote in
> news:58a71263-c76e-4d21...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> "Hamilton should have never left Mclaren for Mercedes-Benz". After
>> yesterday is anyone still saying that?
>
>
> It's a long season and viewed over a few seasons I (still) believe it is a
> mistake, yes. That's not to say it isn't possible for Mercedes to deliver
> him a championship or race winning car, but I believe McLaren a better bet.

The only mistake is you and others assuming you know why Lewis left
McLaren for Merc. Why do you keep bringing performance and results in to
it?

>
> I thought Mercedes testing pace was, as it proved to be in previous
> seasons, misrepresenting their chances. Their performance in the race in
> Australia showed that they are perhaps 4th best - their wet / mixed
> conditions pace notwithstanding.
>

Irrelevant.

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AC