No JV in Playstation F1 97
mccor...@rocketmail.com
I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
one being allowed to use his image without permission?
Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
his boots?
Jonathan.
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Phil Grace
mccor...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
>Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
>his boots?
>
>Jonathan.
Yep he's a bit of a wanker isn't he.
The reason will be the same old tired bollocks, ie JV (or management
can't be arsed to argue which) will not allow his name / image to be
used without delivering loads of dosh.
Personally I wish Psygnosis had put mansell or patrese in the other
Williams and just pretended that the jumped up pillock didn't exist.
Incidentally I took great delight to Murray telling me I had "crashed
into the Canadian" a few times ....
Phil.
Fox
In article <875368...@dejanews.com>, mccor...@rocketmail.com
writes
>I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
>Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
>his boots?
>
>Jonathan.
He wasn't in Grand Prix Manager 2 either?
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URFE
>I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
>Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
>his boots?
>
>Jonathan.
As far as I'm concerned JV's always been a wee bit too big for his boots
and his hair is entirely too loud. Take him out of a Williams and I think
we just might have a whole new Jacque. Put Schumi in a Williams and place
your bets on a sweep (of course Frank would never pay the $$ for MS).
Aside from that, how is the F1 '97 CD for the playstation? I thought the
release date was Oct. 7? I've been waiting to get a hold of it. The
previous version is quite good.
Doug
Jaydee
Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy yet.
Write a bit more about the game if you could.
Thanks.....JD
mccor...@rocketmail.com wrote in article <875368...@dejanews.com>...
> I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
> Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
> know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
> one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
> Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
> his boots?
>
> Jonathan.
The Creative Director
Is this the best F1 game out there?
Sean Clare
Instead of loads of useless drivel could we hear the real reason.
If what u say is true my sincere apologies.
Sean
North East
Jaydee <ma...@net-tech.com.au> wrote in article
<01bccbef$c3db9060$e89067cb@mabj>...
> Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy
yet.
> Write a bit more about the game if you could.
>
AND IN TWO PLAYER MODE IT IS SERIOUSLY JERK'O'VISION
TOON ARMY (NORTH EAST OF ENGLAND)
Phil Grace
mccor...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
>Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
>his boots?
>
>Jonathan.
Yep he's a bit of a wanker isn't he.
Fox
In article <01bccbf9$ac819540$cd52...@ftp.abel.net.uk.abel.net.uk>,
North East <Geordi...@home.of.the.brave> writes
GET BACK TO FOOTBALL
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Markus Daberkow
cal...@umich.edu (The Creative Director) writes:
>Is this the best F1 game out there?
It is a matter of taste.
I have played all F1 games and I love F1 97 most.
Markus
Jonathan McCormack
In article <01bccbef$c3db9060$e89067cb@mabj>,
"Jaydee" <ma...@net-tech.com.au> wrote:
>
> Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy yet.
> Write a bit more about the game if you could.
>
>
I live in Northern Ireland, which isn't as dangerous as it used to be.
As for the game, well I was disapointed to start with, it dosn't seem
that much better, but it grows on you. It's a lot harder than F1 which
is a good thing. Arcade mode is totally different to the Grand Prix
mode, and to be honest, once you have played Arcade mode a few times you
will never play it again I reckon. Unfortunatly 2 player mode is
disapointing, jerky with bad graphics. V Rally is a far better 2 player
game.
Grand Prix mode is a different kettle of fish. Bloody hard, and they
have added flags so no more ramming drivers all the time or you get black
flagged. You can also turn car failures on, tear off strips (a gimmick
really), and can really tweek the car more than before when it comes to
tires, downforce etc.
Murray's comentating is hilarous as usual, but they really wasted
Brundle, he is hardly used during races, more during practice and
warmups. I'm not so sure about drivers behaving like real life, I havn't
seen Irv causing accidents yet or seen Jos fall off the road for no
reason. (Netherlands flame guard on)
So in summary, a good game, not a massive improvement on the first but
definatly buy if you don't own F1. If you do, I would rent it out first
and see if the differences justify the money. I'm not sure yet, but it's
too late for me, I've already bought it.
Jonathan.
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James Chi Tong
mccor...@rocketmail.com writes:
>I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
>his boots?
From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>Jonathan.
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Barry Posner
James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
: >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
: >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
: >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
: >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
: From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
starts to treat it like a business, look out...
Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
of the world.
bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?
Christine Johnston
Of course its true. JV is famous for being the only driver not on any
of the computer games - he asks for money while the other drivers let
them use their names, etc for free once the FIA have licensed the
product.
The new one has both Martin and Murray doing the commentary. It does a
split screen mode so you can race against somebody else. Otherwise same
old same old. And its being promoted by Jordan. There's a TV ad where
an actor is dressed in a Jordan race outfit is giving a fake post-race
interview.
Sean Clare <scl...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> Instead of loads of useless drivel could we hear the real reason.
>
> If what u say is true my sincere apologies.
>
> Sean
>
> On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:01:33 -0600, mccor...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
> >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
> >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
> >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
> >
> >Whatever the reason, don't you think he's getting a wee bit too big for
> >his boots?
> >
Patrick Chamandy
Barry Posner wrote:
> James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
> : >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered
> that
> : >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does
> anybody
> : >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection
> with no
> : >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
> : From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>
> It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
> sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
> business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
> starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>
> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should
> get
> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the
> rest
> of the world.
Barry,
You're addressing a point to a continent of people who advertise on
their team sports jerseys! They really should understand the concept
promotion quite easily I should think.
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Tom Farrell
Jaydee wrote:
>
> Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy yet.
> Write a bit more about the game if you could.
Expect some flak from the purists :-)
If you want a racing game that at leasts asks you to think about your
line and speed through a corner, gives you some choice in set up, but
also plays well as a pick-up-and-play game, F1 97 is hard to beat.
As for JV, yes he's too big for his boots. What annoys me is that he is
labelled as "Williams Number One". Hello? He obviously doesn't give a
shit about the kids back home in Canada who might want to race as him...
Tom
Markus Daberkow
"North East" <Geordi...@home.of.the.brave> writes:
>Jaydee <ma...@net-tech.com.au> wrote in article
><01bccbef$c3db9060$e89067cb@mabj>...
>> Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy
>yet.
>> Write a bit more about the game if you could.
>>
>THERE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE FROM THE FIRST VERSION
>AND IN TWO PLAYER MODE IT IS SERIOUSLY JERK'O'VISION
Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. The Ai has been improved and the crashes
are realistic, as well as everything else in this game.
comparing it to the previous version is stupid.
Sorry to be that hard
Markus
Lucy Laws
In article <342eaa1e...@news.demon.co.uk>, ph...@nicheltd.demon.co.uk
says...
>
-snip-
>
>The reason will be the same old tired bollocks, ie JV (or management
>can't be arsed to argue which) will not allow his name / image to be
>used without delivering loads of dosh.
>
>Personally I wish Psygnosis had put mansell or patrese in the other
>Williams and just pretended that the jumped up pillock didn't exist.
>
Or how about "let's look at the current Race Order - first is Irvine,
second is That Canadian Who's name we aren't allowed to use because
he's so boring....."
>Incidentally I took great delight to Murray telling me I had "crashed
>into the Canadian" a few times ....
>
Me too! Although it's bloody stupid listening to the commentary when
Murray keeps saying "Williams Number One" instead of Villeneuve. His
name *is* used on the packaging so it must just be the software and
commentary he refused to be associated with. Miserable sod.
It looks as if Ferrari and Jordan gave a lot more money towards the
game than the other teams, as they appear most often in the packaging.
The best bits by far are when the pit crew come on the radio to talk to
you while you are driving. With the Damage option OFF you can drive
anyone off the circuit and survive - but shortly after about the 10th
crash of the race, I heard "cchhhrrrrcchhh....ARE YOU OK?" and even
better, when my lap times were reducing during practice (trying different
setups you know, ahem, nothing to do with being crap) I heard
ccchhrrrrcchhh.....Your lap times are slowing - is there a problem?"
Marvellous!
Lucy
ps. I soon tired of Murray telling me what flippin' gear I was in though!!
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The Creative Director
>> : >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered
>> that
>> : >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does
Ironically, the Playstation logo is spotted on the Prost car.
Any hint for next year's line up for the team?
Steve Glenister
In article <60ouq3$kb8$2...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Barry Posner <bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
>: >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>: >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
>: From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>
>It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
>sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
>business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
>starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>
>Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
>used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
>maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
>names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
>of the world.
Oh goody, can't wait, must be the way to go.
Villeneurve sucks when it comes to personality. He's a tosser. He'll be
setting up a little stall next, flogging his autograph. twat.
Steve
Steve Glenister
>You're addressing a point to a continent of people who advertise on
>their team sports jerseys! They really should understand the concept
>promotion quite easily I should think.
But they all apeared in FIFA 97 without making demands on the software company
that were impossible to meet. Villeneurve's fans don't get to race against
their hero cause the guys a money grabbing asswipe.
Steve
Jamie Dyer
Barry Posner wrote:
>
> It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
> sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
> business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
> starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>
> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
> of the world.
>
Can you tell me if it is normal in North America for celebrities and
sport stars to only allow photographs from licenced photographers?
JamieD.
Daniel Maher
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:58:24 -0400, Jamie Dyer <jam...@lsl.co.uk>
wrote:
>Can you tell me if it is normal in North America for celebrities and
>sport stars to only allow photographs from licenced photographers?
>
>JamieD.
Jamie, it depends entirely on the circumstances. Celebrities, of
course, have no control over whether their faces appear in newspapers
or magazines as stories. The copyright to pictures of celebrities
taken in the public are owned by the photographer. On the other hand,
if the picture is used as an endorsement of some product (be it soup,
video games or a particular brand of beer), and the celebrity has not
agreed to this, he or she would definitely be able to stop the
producers of the product from using his or her visage and collect a
portion of the profits. I'm sure someone that practices in the area
of copyright, trademark, and patent law could give a more detailed
answer, but that is the gist of it. Hope it helped.
Dan
Daniel Maher
>In article <60ouq3$kb8$2...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Barry Posner <bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
....snip..
>>Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
>>used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
>>maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
>>names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
>>of the world.
>
Yep, in the USA at least, we've been there done that. You won't find
Michael Jordan (or any other big star) in any video game he has not
officially approved. I really don't see it as a big issue. Why
should someone make a profit off your mug without having to pay for
it? And why should F1 drivers be treated any differently than any
other sports star?
Dan
Barry Posner
Steve Glenister <st...@discreet.co.uk> wrote:
: Oh goody, can't wait, must be the way to go.
Hey, I never said I liked it. Just said that's the way it is...
: Villeneurve sucks when it comes to personality. He's a tosser.
Hmmm.. I doubt you know Villeneuve, or any driver, well enough to make any
judgements on their personalities. You're confusing a few media blurbs
with the full content of a person's character.
: He'll be setting up a little stall next, flogging his autograph. twat.
Well, selling autographs is pretty big business amongst baseball and NFL
players over here. I guess it comes down to this: why give something away
if you can sell it? If nobody's buying, you just have to keep lowering the
price.
bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?
Christine Johnston
Barry Posner <bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
> James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
> : >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
> : >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
> : >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
> : >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
> : From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>
> It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
> sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
> business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
> starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>
> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
> of the world.
>
How about, Barry, North Americans tell their sports people where to get
off? I donated enough to JV's retirement fund when I bought my race
tickets. The computer software people already pay the FIA a sum for the
licence and if they had to pay each individual driver as well I'd hate
to think how much the game would end up costing. Why put up with it?
Bomb the little bugger with e-mails, he'll soon get the mood of the
fans.
Ted
> Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy yet.
> Write a bit more about the game if you could.
>
> Thanks.....JD
Umm, I got my copy last Thursday and I live in Sydney. I am sure you will
be able got get one.
Ted
In article <60ouq3$kb8$2...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Barry Posner
<bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
> James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
> : >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
> : >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
> : >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
> : >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>
> : From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>
> It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
> sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
> business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
> starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>
> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
> of the world.
>
Barry, that's a nice piece of analysis.
My first reaction when I got the game was the JV is a complete and utter
asshole, which is what most of the other repliers to this thread seem to be
saying.
At least you put forward an argument, but in the end, I still think that JV
is an asshole. Yes I agree that F1 is a business and everyone involved in
it has the right to behave as such. However, I think that JV has to be
judged alongside his peers. All the other drivers consented to their image
and name being used. JV was the only one to refuse.
In addition, all other teams consented to their names and logos being used.
After all, why not? It almost constitutes free advertising for themselves
and their advertisers. Being left out would have been a bad business
decision for a team.
Lastly, businesses also rely on goodwill ie they trade on their good name.
This is why some businesses are able to charge more than others for
equivalent goods or services. By being seen to be the 'spoilsport' amongst
the current F1 drivers, JV is losing his goodwill (amongst the videogaming
fans, anyway). So when he does eventually come out with 'Jacques Villeneuve
Racing', as he undoubtedly will, I wonder how many people will have seconds
thoughts buying it.
Thus, I think that JV's exclusion is difficult to defend in either a
'moral' or 'business' paradigm.
Regards,
Ted
Geoffrey Webber
In article <1997092922...@th-eng10-040.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
Christine Johnston <chr...@dircon.co.uk> writes
(snip)
>The new one has both Martin and Murray doing the commentary. It does a
>split screen mode so you can race against somebody else. Otherwise same
>old same old. And its being promoted by Jordan. There's a TV ad where
>an actor is dressed in a Jordan race outfit is giving a fake post-race
>interview.
(snip)
Yeah, and if he had black shades on, I would swear blind it was Fisico.
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Taunton
Somerset
UK
Spider
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:35:02 GMT, dma...@ix.netcom.com (Daniel Maher)
wrote:
>:()Yep, in the USA at least, we've been there done that. You won't find
>:()Michael Jordan (or any other big star) in any video game he has not
>:()officially approved. I really don't see it as a big issue. Why
>:()should someone make a profit off your mug without having to pay for
>:()it? And why should F1 drivers be treated any differently than any
>:()other sports star?
you don't get it yet do you. if JV gave half his money to orphans
there would be those here who would criticize the hell out of him for
being too free with his money.
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Lucy Laws
In article <60rgrl$cvi$1...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
says...
>
>
>Well, selling autographs is pretty big business amongst baseball and NFL
>players over here. I guess it comes down to this: why give something away
>if you can sell it? If nobody's buying, you just have to keep lowering the
>price.
>
Do these "sports" people really not give a shit about their fans?
If you ask me it's a sad reflection on any human being when they
absolutely refuse to give anything back to the thousands (millions?)
of people who support them.
Now all you Canadians who think that the only reason I (we) dislike JV is
because he is not European and/or because he drives for Williams and/or
because he is beating Schumi, (from my own viewpoint it's none of those
reasons!) just stop a minute and take a long hard look at the kind of
man he is. He begrudges his fans even the smallest pleasures - and all
in the name of money. Nice bloke.
Lucy
Nige M
Lucy Laws <La...@logica.com.remove> wrote in article
<60t3s6$g...@romeo.logica.co.uk>...
> In article <60rgrl$cvi$1...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
> says...
> >
> >
> >Well, selling autographs is pretty big business amongst baseball and NFL
> >players over here. I guess it comes down to this: why give something
away
> >if you can sell it? If nobody's buying, you just have to keep lowering
the
> >price.
> >
>
> Do these "sports" people really not give a shit about their fans?
>
> If you ask me it's a sad reflection on any human being when they
> absolutely refuse to give anything back to the thousands (millions?)
> of people who support them.
>
> Now all you Canadians who think that the only reason I (we) dislike JV is
> because he is not European and/or because he drives for Williams and/or
> because he is beating Schumi, (from my own viewpoint it's none of those
> reasons!) just stop a minute and take a long hard look at the kind of
> man he is. He begrudges his fans even the smallest pleasures - and all
> in the name of money. Nice bloke.
>
> Lucy
> --
I think I can seem to be impartial as I have a .net address. Anyone who's
visit <www.jacques.villeneuve.com> will have seen his autograph with a
copywrite logo by it. It's the first thing you see. That probably isn't
him, just some guy who wants to make money. As for the fans, he's degrading
about them, dunno why, he'd have to get a proper job if it wasn't for them.
DH's and MS's 'populist' nature gets them more, urm, populer, whereas JV's
his own man. (By the way, that also stands for Jos Verstappen and Jimmy
Vasser. And John Virgo. Oops, you know where I'm from now.) He does his own
thing and u guys slag him off for it. Someone who sticks a couple of
fingers up to the FIA is a man to be respected.
Also, Damon is God, but even God gets things wrong sometimes. (Just thort
I'd throw that in)
Can u guys stop slagging British off cos we're biased? Isn't it amazing
that all .fi like the Mikas, and all .ca like JV, and all .nl like other
JV. Ya all just as biased as we are, and jelous too, cos there've been so
many British drivers recently. Good uns too, altho u can't accept that
either. (Wot's that? Hypocritical? NEVER!!!!!!)
PS, dunno why I've bothered with this posting, this newsgroups full of
bullshit as it is.
Steve Glenister
In article <60rgrl$cvi$1...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Barry Posner
>Steve Glenister <st...@discreet.co.uk> wrote:
>: Oh goody, can't wait, must be the way to go.
>
>Hey, I never said I liked it. Just said that's the way it is...
Ok. [puts safety catch back on] :-)
>: Villeneurve sucks when it comes to personality. He's a tosser.
>Hmmm.. I doubt you know Villeneuve, or any driver, well enough to make any
>judgements on their personalities. You're confusing a few media blurbs
>with the full content of a person's character.
Even if 50% of it is true, it paints a pretty sad picture.
>: He'll be setting up a little stall next, flogging his autograph. twat.
>
>Well, selling autographs is pretty big business amongst baseball and NFL
>players over here. I guess it comes down to this: why give something away
>if you can sell it? If nobody's buying, you just have to keep lowering the
>price.
Well, the way I see it is like this. Your earning $5M a year + whatever in
sponsorship. You build up a following of fans, normal people who may or may
not be able to pay the outragous prices to get into a GP to see you. Half of
them pay some stupid amount to join your fan club, you send them a bunch of
tatty pictures and some media bullshit once every couple of months, and then
your turn round and charge them for your handwriting.
That is, as my mate Mr Albarn would say, The Story of a Charmless Man.
na-na na-na naar-na-narrrr, na-na na-na-na-na naar-na-narrrr......
Steve
Thomas Gmuer
Christine Johnston <chr...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> How about, Barry, North Americans tell their sports people where to get
> off? I donated enough to JV's retirement fund when I bought my race
> tickets. The computer software people already pay the FIA a sum for the
> licence and if they had to pay each individual driver as well I'd hate
> to think how much the game would end up costing. Why put up with it?
> Bomb the little bugger with e-mails, he'll soon get the mood of the
> fans.
There's a interesting readers letter in a german magazine of a girlie
who wanted to open a Fanclub and contacted Pollock. All she got was an
answer "strictly forbidden" and "join the official european fanclub". I
wonder how long she accept this behaviour of her (Billy) Idol.
Thomas
--
Ian Caldwell
>>
>> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
>> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
>> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
>> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
>> of the world.
>>
>
>How about, Barry, North Americans tell their sports people where to get
>off? I donated enough to JV's retirement fund when I bought my race
>tickets.
And just how much would that be, a couple of pence at most? If you
object to any drivers other than Hill getting any portion of your
ticket cost I suggest that next year you spend your money going to
private Jordan test sessions. Then you can spend all day watching
nobody but Hill.
> The computer software people already pay the FIA a sum for the
>licence and if they had to pay each individual driver as well I'd hate
>to think how much the game would end up costing.
Are the FIA the only ones receiving something for using their logo and
saying it's an officially licenced product? So the teams are allowing
their names and car likenesses to be used for nothing? I doubt that
very much. Would you allow your name or likeness to be used in a
commercial product for nothing? If you would I suggest that maybe you
should stick your head in a bucket of cold water and see if that
brings you back to reality.
> Why put up with it?
Put up with what, somebody trying to make as much money as he can? I
seem to remember about 3 or 4 weeks ago the howls of indignation from
you and others that Hill was only offered 2.5 million from McLaren. It
was an outrage, what an insult, it was beneath Hill to accept such a
pitiful offer. And doesn't Hill the hero of England live in Ireland so
that he doesn't have to pay income tax in England . Yes, only
Villenueve is concerned about money.
>Bomb the little bugger with e-mails, he'll soon get the mood of the
>fans.
You really mean the Hill worshippers who won't ever forget that FW
ditched Hill from his team , hardly representative of F1 fans. In fact
I'm sure that most F1 fans couldn't careless that Villeneuve is in
some computer game or that he dyes his hair or says for sure, all
they are interested in is exciting racing.
So bomb away if it makes you feel better.
Tom Farrell
Ian Caldwell wrote:
> And just how much would that be, a couple of pence at most? If you
> object to any drivers other than Hill getting any portion of your
> ticket cost I suggest that next year you spend your money going to
> private Jordan test sessions. Then you can spend all day watching
> nobody but Hill.
Did Christine say she objected to that? I don't remember reading it
that way...
By the way Ralfie will be driving for Jordan next year. They aren't a
one man team.
> Are the FIA the only ones receiving something for using their logo and
> saying it's an officially licenced product? So the teams are allowing
> their names and car likenesses to be used for nothing? I doubt that
> very much. Would you allow your name or likeness to be used in a
> commercial product for nothing? If you would I suggest that maybe you
> should stick your head in a bucket of cold water and see if that
> brings you back to reality.
Talk about missing the point in a MAJOR way. Maybe they do receive a
sum, the point is - they are all there. JV isn't. He presumably
believes he is *worth more* than the others.
Which, when we're talking about skill like MS or charisma like Jean
Alesi (hey, I like him), is faintly ludicrous...
> Put up with what, somebody trying to make as much money as he can? I
> seem to remember about 3 or 4 weeks ago the howls of indignation from
> you and others that Hill was only offered 2.5 million from McLaren. It
> was an outrage, what an insult, it was beneath Hill to accept such a
> pitiful offer. And doesn't Hill the hero of England live in Ireland so
> that he doesn't have to pay income tax in England . Yes, only
> Villenueve is concerned about money.
Anyone has the right to negotiate for a better salary. The issue is
with desperately trying to squeeze money out of guys making computer
software for kids to play. You use the example of Hill as a money
grabber, but as you well know, *he* isn't petty enough to withdraw his
name.
By the way, DH doesn't avoid tax by living in Ireland. We do have
income tax here you know. In fact he's probably one of the few drivers
who don't officially live in Monaco to avoid tax (although I'm not sure
about this).
> You really mean the Hill worshippers who won't ever forget that FW
> ditched Hill from his team , hardly representative of F1 fans. In fact
> I'm sure that most F1 fans couldn't careless that Villeneuve is in
> some computer game or that he dyes his hair or says for sure, all
> they are interested in is exciting racing.
Personally I couldn't give a shit if Villeneuve isn't in a computer
game, I wouldn't choose to race as him in a month of Sundays. But I
reckon a few kids in Canada might be a bit pissed off to fork out Ł50
for a video game only to find that their hero is too tight to license
his name.
But clearly in your world money really is everything. Enjoy it.
Tom
Ian Caldwell
On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:55:53 +0100, Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com>
wrote:
>Anyone has the right to negotiate for a better salary. The issue is
>with desperately trying to squeeze money out of guys making computer
>software for kids to play. You use the example of Hill as a money
>grabber, but as you well know, *he* isn't petty enough to withdraw his
>name.
Those poor hard done to software developers wouldn't be SONY would
they? and if the software developer isn't SONY the company that did do
the development would have paid a lot to license the PlayStation name
and format. If you think that the companies that produce officially
licensed software games from the NBA, NHL, NFL, FIFA etc. are guys
working in their basement at night then you are very much mistaken.
Most if not all are major companies with sales in the tens of millions
of dollars. And you can turn off the violins playing in the background
when you start talking about the " kids ". The game makers see that as
just another market. And BTW, would you consider the people who have
posted in this thread as kids?
>By the way, DH doesn't avoid tax by living in Ireland. We do have
>income tax here you know. In fact he's probably one of the few drivers
>who don't officially live in Monaco to avoid tax (although I'm not sure
>about this).
I was under the impression that foreigners that live in the Rep. of
Ireland who earn their income outside of the country pay no income
tax.
>Personally I couldn't give a shit if Villeneuve isn't in a computer
>game, I wouldn't choose to race as him in a month of Sundays. But I
>reckon a few kids in Canada might be a bit pissed off to fork out £50
>for a video game only to find that their hero is too tight to license
>his name.
Since I don't play video games I couldn't care less either, and kids
should be outside playing a sport getting fresh air not sitting in
front of a T.V.
>But clearly in your world money really is everything. Enjoy it.
>
>Tom
I do.
Jamie Dyer
Ian Caldwell wrote:
>
> Since I don't play video games I couldn't care less either, and kids
> should be outside playing a sport getting fresh air not sitting in
> front of a T.V.
Ahhh, football in the park... jumpers as goalposts....
Kids these days, tch!
JamieD.
Phil Grace
st...@discreet.co.uk (Steve Glenister) wrote:
>
>na-na na-na naar-na-narrrr, na-na na-na-na-na naar-na-narrrr......
>
I think that should be
na na naar na na narr naarrr naaaarrrrrr, na na naaar na na narr narrr
naaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr etc ...
Phil
Sean Clare
Maybe all the other drivers should hold out like JV.
If the sofware companies make the big bucks off the game why not
spread a little to the drivers? Why should they be the only unpaid
ones?
What is it that makes them all donate their names anyway?
Are they all under pressure from their teams?
Is JV the only asshole in the crowd?
I for 1 would like to see him in the game but
there must be some reason why he does not support this.
(other than he being an asshole) or is he the
only driver more concerned with making a buck
than giving in to their teams wishes?
Not mentioning any names.
Sean
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:40:48 +1000, te...@DeleteThis.ozemail.com.au
(Ted) wrote:
>In article <60ouq3$kb8$2...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Barry Posner
><bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
>> James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
>> : >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>> : >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>> : >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>> : >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>>
>> : From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>>
>> It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
>> sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
>> business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
>> starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>>
>> Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
>> used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
>> maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
>> names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
>> of the world.
>>
>
Steve Glenister
I was starting from the first bar of the chorus, you were starting from the
last beat of the last bar of the verse, which is probably more accurate, but
potentially confusing. Fancy a stab at the guitar riff?
Steve
Mark Hand
> >By the way, DH doesn't avoid tax by living in Ireland. We do have
> >income tax here you know. In fact he's probably one of the few drivers
> >who don't officially live in Monaco to avoid tax (although I'm not sure
> >about this).
>
> I was under the impression that foreigners that live in the Rep. of
> Ireland who earn their income outside of the country pay no income
> tax.
Sorry Guys not quite correct. Yes there is income tax in Ireland however
artists and sports pro's are exempt so long as they are residents. Thus
U2
Eddie Irvine, Damon Hill and quite a few Hollywood stars have set up
home in
the Republic.
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Tom Farrell
Mark Hand wrote:
>
> Sorry Guys not quite correct. Yes there is income tax in Ireland however
> artists and sports pro's are exempt so long as they are residents. Thus
> U2
> Eddie Irvine, Damon Hill and quite a few Hollywood stars have set up
> home in
> the Republic.
Whoa! Hang on a minute. "Artists", yes, but I have never heard of
sports stars not paying income tax in Ireland.
Damon and Eddie live very near each other. Believe me Killiney is a
pretty nice place on a summers day - I imagine Damon was visiting EI and
just thought he liked it...
I could be miles off base there though.
Tom
Lucy Laws
In article <3433CD...@iona.com>, tfar...@iona.com says...
>
-snip-
>
>
>Whoa! Hang on a minute. "Artists", yes, but I have never heard of
>sports stars not paying income tax in Ireland.
>
>Damon and Eddie live very near each other. Believe me Killiney is a
>pretty nice place on a summers day - I imagine Damon was visiting EI and
>just thought he liked it...
>
>I could be miles off base there though.
>
I don't know anything about the specifics of the tax situation, but I'm
pretty sure that's one of the reasons Damon moved his family over there.
I think in his interview with Clive James last year he said he considered
Monaco but that it just wouldn't be fair on his children to deprive them
of space and peace in that way. (His big house has a big garden for them
to play in!) He also said one of the reasons they moved away from London
was to get some peace and quiet from the media (and manic fan) attention.
But the fact that he considered Monaco as well indicates that the move
from London was mainly for tax reasons.
I honestly think it's mainly coincidence that Eddie Irvine lives up the
road (and EJ not far away too). After all Eddie has admitted himself that
you'd have to be a "sad bastard" if all your mates were racing drivers!
And Georgie is known for her ability to keep Damon's feet on the ground
and make sure they maintain their non-F1 friendships. As she said, "When
Damon gets home he isn't a world champion, he's just Damon - or Daddy!"
I can't imagine Damon and SwIrvine getting together socially outside work
anyway!!
Incidently I've just remembered what Irvine said about Alesi in his ITV
interview on Saturday - wasn't it just classic?? When asked about what
he thought about Jean's reaction to the Austria incident, he said "Well he
doesn't have to much upstairs to work these things out with" and implied
that Jean was too stupid to realise it was his own fault! I think we may be
headed for a few more clashes between those two on and off the circuit!!
Finnerty Padraig G
La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) writes:
[chomp]
> I don't know anything about the specifics of the tax situation
> [in Ireland], but I'm
> pretty sure that's one of the reasons Damon moved his family over there.
[chomp]
> But the fact that he considered Monaco as well indicates that the move
> from London was mainly for tax reasons.
thanks Lucy,
this was the funniest post I've read all day.
the thought of someone moving to Ireland for tax reasons is truly
hilarious.
the top rate (which I'm sure Damon qualifies for) is currently 48% !!!
I may be way off here, but could the reason that
Damon is living in Ireland be because it's a nice place to live* ???
*as long as you manage to avoid Tom that is.. ;-)
Padraig.
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Mark Orr
Sounds like Eddie's just angling for a knuckle sandwich. Has Ralf been
spending time with Eddie??...."now repeat after me Ralf....It was a typical
starting incident, just a racing accident. I had no where to go. Not my fault"
Funny how it is that trouble always seems to find these 2 guys?! I must say
the Irv' is wearing thin on me. I surprised he didn't throw in a "Michael
Schumacher is god" comment.....I thought it was in his contract.
Mark
Aubrey Windle
Maybe he just thinks the game sucks. Who wants their name in a crappy
game?
Patrick Chamandy
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Christine Johnston wrote:
> Oh don't bother Tom. Just another Vilifile twisting himself into
> contortions in an effort to defend JV's money grubbing ways.
Defend what? A celebrity who is careful about protecting his image?
Y'know Christine, I find it amazing that you choose to paint yourself as
a communist in yet another effort sabotage the name of Jacques
Villeneuve.
Obviously you're not too concerned about your own image.
BTW Christine, have you really no idea why people invoke the "Damon is a
zero" theme in their responses to you even when your post makes no
mention of him?
Here's a clue -- it's not necessarily because they have any
legitimate complaint regarding Damon.
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Christine Johnston wrote:
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twisting himself into
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Defend what? A celebrity who is careful about protecting his image?
<P>Y'know Christine, I find it amazing that you choose to paint yourself
as a communist in yet <B>another</B> effort sabotage the name of Jacques
Villeneuve.
<P>Obviously you're not too concerned about your own image.
<P>BTW Christine, have you really no idea why people invoke the "Damon
is a zero" theme in their responses to you even when your post makes no
mention of him?
<P> Here's a clue -- it's not
necessarily because they have any legitimate complaint regarding Damon.
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Christine Johnston
Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
> Ian Caldwell wrote:
>
> > And just how much would that be, a couple of pence at most? If you
> > object to any drivers other than Hill getting any portion of your
> > ticket cost I suggest that next year you spend your money going to
> > private Jordan test sessions. Then you can spend all day watching
> > nobody but Hill.
>
> Did Christine say she objected to that? I don't remember reading it
> that way...
>
> By the way Ralfie will be driving for Jordan next year. They aren't a
> one man team.
Oh don't bother Tom. Just another Vilifile twisting himself into
contortions in an effort to defend JV's money grubbing ways. Don't know
where Damon comes into it (other than Ian's fixation), I thought we were
talking about ALL the other drivers being in the game. It isn't just F1
97, JV isn't in *any* of the F1 games or products licensed by the FIA.
Donncha Redmond
Finnerty Padraig G <9416...@shannon.csis.ul.ie> wrote in article
<xd74t70...@shannon.csis.ul.ie>...
>
> the top rate (which I'm sure Damon qualifies for) is currently 48% !!!
>
Don't forget your 7.5% PRSI to take the grand total to 55.5%.
Anyway, that's enough economics. I'm going to try to attain Pro status in
the globaally recognised sport of TV watching and see if I can get some tax
breaks. New 29" TV arrived last night, hooked it up to my stereo, now all I
need it to go out and buy F1 '97.
donncha
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Donncha Redmond
Aubrey Windle <awi...@uic.edu> wrote in article <343434...@uic.edu>...
> Maybe he just thinks the game sucks. Who wants their name in a crappy
> game?
Well given that JV said he used F1 to learn the tracks last year I would be
surprised if he thought it was a crappy game. The least he could have done
i OK'd the use of his name. If every other driver is happy to do it, it
says something about Villeneuve that he'd refuse. I must admit that I was
hoping he'd win the title last year, but this year I'd prefer if he didn't.
He just seems to have lost the plot.
--
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In article <01bccfde$32be6880$5ad77dc2@elbow>, don...@REMOVE.baltimore.ie
says...
>
>Aubrey Windle <awi...@uic.edu> wrote in article <343434...@uic.edu>...
>> Maybe he just thinks the game sucks. Who wants their name in a crappy
>> game?
>
>Well given that JV said he used F1 to learn the tracks last year I would be
>surprised if he thought it was a crappy game. The least he could have done
>i OK'd the use of his name. If every other driver is happy to do it, it
>says something about Villeneuve that he'd refuse. I must admit that I was
>hoping he'd win the title last year, but this year I'd prefer if he didn't.
>He just seems to have lost the plot.
>
According to the F1 rumours web site
(http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4938/f1rumors.html)
the reason why JV's name can't be included is because the agreement
to use the drivers' names is between Psygnosis (or any other game
manufacturer because JV is not choosy about who he disallows to use
his name!) and the drivers association.
And as we all know, Jacques does not think himself worthy of the honour
of calling himself a member - so he is not part of the agreement. ;-)
It still doesn't excuse him from being mean though, because I think we
can be fairly sure that Psygnosis (and all the other game creators) will
have contacted the Pollock to try to get agreement to use his name. To no
avail.
Alternatively Jacques is in fact a really nice bloke who would naturally
have agreed to let his name be used on any games but it's all Pollock's
fault as he misunderstood the request and thought they wanted Jacques to
appear in person in the game - which of course he couldn't possibly do
because otherwise we'd have a baseline for comparison and it would make
his hair-replacement therapy too obvious.
Jaydee
Well I finially got a copy of F1 97.
BAD BITS
I guess I can agree with your comments. Arcade is shit. I did half a lap
then bashed the reset button. I thought a bit more grunt when changing
gears would be better but I did like the sounds more this time (engine).
Why not take Martins voice while he's actually commentating a race, instead
of the fake "your right there Muray" crap. I also found the radio
conversation anoying, maybee a different voice for each driver?
The new spanish track sux.
Split screen not to good, still It is alright if youv'e got a mate who
likes to hog yor platstation and you want a go.
No replays
Cant center the screen, well I dont think so anyway (some of the timing is
unseen)
GOOD BITS
Of course the crashes are a big imprvement. Sorry to dissapoint you Mr.
McC but I first experienced these when I swiped the side of Eddies
Ferrari.
One of my favorite moments is riding on the rollbar of a Ferrari or Sauber,
in the wet, at Spa.
The cars look alright, less sponsor detail (Williams Benneton etc) is good.
Murray is "listenable" for more than five minute this time.
Does the fact that driver names can be edited say thet it will be a while
before the next version?
Overall I think it was worth it for 70 bucks (Aussie dollars)
Jonathan McCormack <mccor...@rocketmail.com> wrote in article
<8755489...@dejanews.com>...
> In article <01bccbef$c3db9060$e89067cb@mabj>,
> "Jaydee" <ma...@net-tech.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Where do you live. I live in Victoria (Australia) and cant get a copy
yet.
> > Write a bit more about the game if you could.
> >
> > Thanks.....JD
> >
>
> I live in Northern Ireland, which isn't as dangerous as it used to be.
> As for the game, well I was disapointed to start with, it dosn't seem
> that much better, but it grows on you. It's a lot harder than F1 which
> is a good thing. Arcade mode is totally different to the Grand Prix
> mode, and to be honest, once you have played Arcade mode a few times you
> will never play it again I reckon. Unfortunatly 2 player mode is
> disapointing, jerky with bad graphics. V Rally is a far better 2 player
> game.
>
> Grand Prix mode is a different kettle of fish. Bloody hard, and they
> have added flags so no more ramming drivers all the time or you get black
> flagged. You can also turn car failures on, tear off strips (a gimmick
> really), and can really tweek the car more than before when it comes to
> tires, downforce etc.
>
> Murray's comentating is hilarous as usual, but they really wasted
> Brundle, he is hardly used during races, more during practice and
> warmups. I'm not so sure about drivers behaving like real life, I havn't
> seen Irv causing accidents yet or seen Jos fall off the road for no
> reason. (Netherlands flame guard on)
>
> So in summary, a good game, not a massive improvement on the first but
> definatly buy if you don't own F1. If you do, I would rent it out first
> and see if the differences justify the money. I'm not sure yet, but it's
> too late for me, I've already bought it.
>
> Jonathan.
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James Chi Tong
Barry Posner <bpo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> writes:
>James Chi Tong <jc...@uow.edu.au> wrote:
>: >I have just bought F1 97 for the Playstation and have discovered that
>: >Villenueve is the only driver not featured in the game. Does anybody
>: >know the story why not, did he want money or is it in connection with no
>: >one being allowed to use his image without permission?
>: From Villenueve without love:SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!
>It's a little funny. The team owners treat F1 like a business. The
>sponsors treat it like a business. Max and Beccles treat it like a
>business. This seems to be OK with everybody, but the moment a driver
>starts to treat it like a business, look out...
>Part of this may be a culture clash, but those of you in Europe should get
>used to drivers, and other sporting figures, taking all efforts to
>maximize their earning potential through the use of their images and
>names. That's the way it is in North America, and it's coming to the rest
>of the world.
Hi Barry,
so does that mean what I saw in "Jerry Macguire" is kinda true?
in the movie,a kid ask a sporting star to autograph his trading card,
the reply was:
"I'm sorry kid,but I can't sign on this brand of cards,only this brand
and that brand etc"
the disappointed kid walked away
now imagine if JV does a similar thing :)
>bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?
Mike Tighe
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:22 GMT, Finnerty Padraig G
<9416...@shannon.csis.ul.ie> wrote:
<snip Lucy's tax speculations>
>thanks Lucy,
>this was the funniest post I've read all day.
>the thought of someone moving to Ireland for tax reasons is truly
>hilarious.
>
>
got remaindered rather than sold..... Would that part-time occupation
count toward the tax breaks that bring so many writers and musicians
to Ireland?
Mike Tighe
Speaking from the bottom left
hand corner of the big picture.
Ian Caldwell
>
>Oh don't bother Tom. Just another Vilifile twisting himself into
>contortions in an effort to defend JV's money grubbing ways. Don't know
>where Damon comes into it (other than Ian's fixation), I thought we were
>talking about ALL the other drivers being in the game. It isn't just F1
>97, JV isn't in *any* of the F1 games or products licensed by the FIA.
Yeah don't bother Tom, I'm neither a Villiphile or any other kind of
phile, but somebody who will defend JV's or any other persons right to
earn money ( legally ) in any form that they see fit. JV has as far as
I know no obligation to appear in any video game or any product
promotion ( other than Williams sponsors ) if he doesn't want to. And
if he puts a pricetag on his name and likeness that's also his right.
If you want to use his name or likeness you pay for it, if you don't
you don't use it. It's called capitalism
If you really believe that Villenueve is a money grubber then you are
either naive and incrediibly stupid or your name isn't Christine
Johnston but Vanessa Redgrave. If you are really Vanessa Redgrave
maybe you should know that the revolution is over baby, and you lost.
The spewing of anti- JV and Williams poision is really getting
tiresome, but on the upside you'll have Walkinshaw to add to your
list of people that you can slag. I can see the toupee jokes coming
now.
I'll let you get back to reading the Socialist Worker, and have a nice
weekend pretending that your Damon on your PlayStation.
//^_^//)
>:()Personally I couldn't give a shit if Villeneuve isn't in a computer
>:()game, I wouldn't choose to race as him in a month of Sundays. But I
>:()reckon a few kids in Canada might be a bit pissed off to fork out £50
>:()for a video game only to find that their hero is too tight to license
>:()his name.
christ this has gone on long enough. in the original version NO
DRIVERS were included.
the programmers were clever enough to put a list of drivers in the
instruction manual and letting the user put in who he liked.
i put the more knowledgeable people in rasf1 in the better cars and
take great delight in pushing the assholes into the weeds.
so even given the option i prefer no real drivers in the cars anyway.
probably the bitchers and complainers about this are disappointed that
they can't do the same to their "asshole". tough 'eh?
what a petty issue, sheeesh.
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On 1 Oct 1997 09:07:18 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>:()Now all you Canadians who think that the only reason I (we) dislike JV is
>:()because he is not European and/or because he drives for Williams and/or
>:()because he is beating Schumi, (from my own viewpoint it's none of those
>:()reasons!) just stop a minute and take a long hard look at the kind of
>:()man he is. He begrudges his fans even the smallest pleasures - and all
>:()in the name of money. Nice bloke.
i think you are judging someone on their motives when you couldn't
possibly know what they are..... 45 days in the jailhouse for you.
//^_^//)
On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:49:03 -0400, Jamie Dyer <jam...@lsl.co.uk>
wrote:
>:()Ahhh, football in the park... jumpers as goalposts....
........ broken collar bones.
//^_^//)
On 3 Oct 1997 15:17:26 GMT, "Jaydee" <ma...@net-tech.com.au> wrote:
>:()Does the fact that driver names can be edited say thet it will be a while
>:()before the next version?
you mean to tell me that all the bitchers and moaners about this could
have just typed the name (villeneuve) in? wot jerk-heads!
Christine Johnston
Ian Caldwell <ia...@activesystems.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:00:13 +0000, chr...@dircon.co.uk (Christine
> Johnston) wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Oh don't bother Tom. Just another Vilifile twisting himself into
> >contortions in an effort to defend JV's money grubbing ways. Don't know
> >where Damon comes into it (other than Ian's fixation), I thought we were
> >talking about ALL the other drivers being in the game. It isn't just F1
> >97, JV isn't in *any* of the F1 games or products licensed by the FIA.
>
> Yeah don't bother Tom, I'm neither a Villiphile or any other kind of
> phile, but somebody who will defend JV's or any other persons right to
> earn money ( legally ) in any form that they see fit. JV has as far as
> I know no obligation to appear in any video game or any product
> promotion ( other than Williams sponsors ) if he doesn't want to. And
> if he puts a pricetag on his name and likeness that's also his right.
> If you want to use his name or likeness you pay for it, if you don't
> you don't use it. It's called capitalism
Two accusations of communism in the same thread! Oooooh! And are all
the other people in this thread dirty pinkos too? Because we don't want
to hand over to JV our hard earned money? You'll find JV isn't on the
Williams promo material either - he's just referred to as The Canadian.
All the other drivers have their image licensed too, you know. The
difference is they choose not to charge a large fee for a computer game.
They know that a fan who wants to race as them in a computer game is
likely to also want to go out and buy a t-shirt and cap, etc. But if
you had to pay extra for the computer game because JV wanted a ton of
money and all you wanted to do was race Schumacher in a Ferrari you'd be
pretty pissed off. Basically JV is treating you all like ignorant
punters to be fleeced of your money as part of a marketing strategy and
he'll continue to do so as long as there are people as stupid as you to
defend him for it under the guise that 'this is the capitalist way'.
No, its the greedy way. And I bet there are plans already to come out
with Jacques Villeneuve's F1 Racing iffing he wins the WC. And we can't
have all those potential buyers already racing as him on a Sony
Playstation, can we? Or on the new Nintendo game either. Not when he
wants you to buy his game instead. I thought capitalism was also about
consumer choice?
Christine Johnston
hmmm <ro...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:22 GMT, Finnerty Padraig G
> <9416...@shannon.csis.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> >the top rate (which I'm sure Damon qualifies for) is currently 48% !!!
> >
> *slipping on his Cayman Islands hat* ;)
>
> Well you see, AFAIK when you're a resident of the UK you'll pay income
> tax on your worldwide income. - but if you move to Ireland you'll only
> pay income tax on money remitted to Ireland. So Damon can have his
> salary lodged in a bank account somewhere funny like Jersey or the
> Isle of Man where there's no withholding tax ,and only bring enough
> money to live on into Ireland, which is all that is taxed. Massive
> tax savings !
>
> Roy
Wrong on all accounts (Jersey or otherwise). Damon isn't a person, he's
a company. The company would be registered in Ireland. He'd qualify
for minimal tax but he wouldn't have that kind of hassle you get in
Monaco where you have to spend a minimal amount of days in residence.
The people who pay him are UK registered companies - they wouldn't be
allowed to just pay him via an offshore account in Grand Cayman. There
are laws against dodgy things like that. His salary and various incomes
would be the company earnings. But he 100% owns the company. Schumacher
would be in a similar situation in Switzerland.
Courtesy of a friend of mine who's a specialist in ex-pat tax.
-------------------------------
'It's all Pollocks to me' says JV in his Diary at....
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~mbyrne/
Tom Farrell
That explains it alright. As a foreign company choosing to locate in
Ireland Damon Hill plc (I doubt he is publically traded but it sounds
good) would only pay 10% corporation tax. He would however pay 48% on
his salary, but he could make that small and the profits large.
How devious. JV would never stoop so low!
Tom
Glyn Johnson
And would "Damon Hill plc" qualify for all the Irish Development
Corporation tax breaks for the first five years?
Glyn
Michael Connolly
Glyn Johnson <john...@midas-kapiti.com> wrote:
10% corporation tax applies only to manufacturing and "value-added"
service companies (including financial services). It is NOT available
to all companies whether Irish or foreign.
If Damon administers his income via an Irish limited company, he is
liable for full corporation (38% I think) and income taxes.
The IDA award grants and incentives which are invariably linked to the
number of jobs a foreign company might bring to the Republic. This
is clearly irrelevant in Damon's case.
The various dodges available to him here are comparable to those in
common use elsewhere in the EU.
I suspect he lives here because he wants to. Mind you, if he does
well next year things might get a little less calm here :)
Here's hoping.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
Christine Johnston
Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
> That explains it alright. As a foreign company choosing to locate in
> Ireland Damon Hill plc (I doubt he is publically traded but it sounds
> good) would only pay 10% corporation tax. He would however pay 48% on
> his salary, but he could make that small and the profits large.
A good tax consultant would have that 10% whittled down to about 5% in
no time. The salary is offshore earnings for the company, as is the
profits from the merchandising etc. He wouldn't get a salary as such -
the company would invoice, say, TWR for fees. Only poor sods like you
ever end up paying 48%. I know some people who have their company
registered in Ireland but who operate out of Helsinki.
> How devious. JV would never stoop so low!
>
> Tom
>
JV's company is called Goldcrest or summat like that. Check the
copyright at the front of his book - its his holding company. Its
virtually impossible to find out how anything works in Monaco but I'm
sure there would be a fee or % to be paid to the Principality for having
a company registered there. I believe Switzerland is about the same as
Ireland.
Patrick Chamandy
<HTML>
Lucy Laws wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Now all you Canadians who think that the only reason
I (we) dislike JV is
Former INDY driver is probably more accurate but not an empirical reason
for dislike.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>and/or because he drives for Williams</BLOCKQUOTE>
A little bit of <U>misdirected</U> bitterness w/r/t Frank's treatment of
Damon is probably more accurate, but again not an empiracal reason for
dislike.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>and/or because he is beating Schumi</BLOCKQUOTE>
Only Frusciente and Bishop - but they're just a couple of high-octane bitches.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>(from my own viewpoint it's none of those reasons!)
just stop a minute and take a long hard look at the kind of
Like an INDY 500 checkered flag? Like an INDY Car Championship? Like pushing
the '96 WC to the last race? Like a potential '97 World Championship? I
really don't require much more.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>- and all in the name of money. Nice bloke.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Didn't Lady Thatcher teach you people anything?!!!!!!
<P>Lucy, you don't pay taxes yet do you? :-)
Paul Martin
In article <343b8cde...@news.arrowsmith.net>, //\^_^//\ <s...@s.net> wrote:
>i put the more knowledgeable people in rasf1 in the better cars and
>take great delight in pushing the assholes into the weeds.
This is a *very* adult thing to do, Spider. I'm sure we're all dead
impressed. Did you have to put down the badger you said you carried in
order to type all the names in properly?
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John D. Owen
Patrick Chamandy wrote:
> Didn't Lady Thatcher teach you people anything?!!!!!!
>
>
Yep, never trust people who seem to be solely motivated by money.
JDO
Alan Gauton
//^_^//) wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:55:53 +0100, Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com>
> wrote:
>
> >:()Personally I couldn't give a shit if Villeneuve isn't in a computer
> >:()game, I wouldn't choose to race as him in a month of Sundays. But I
> >:()reckon a few kids in Canada might be a bit pissed off to fork out £50
> >:()for a video game only to find that their hero is too tight to license
> >:()his name.
>
> christ this has gone on long enough. in the original version NO
> DRIVERS were included.
>
> the programmers were clever enough to put a list of drivers in the
> instruction manual and letting the user put in who he liked.
>
Not quite - the original F1 for the Playstation included ALL the drivers
for the 1995 season. The game you are talking about is Formula 1 Grand
Prix (in Europe, something else in the States), wihch existed on several
machines including the Amoeba, PeeCee and ST.
(-:
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Steve Glenister
In article <61crlr$5...@romeo.logica.co.uk>, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>In article <3439FC...@open.ac.uk>, J.D....@open.ac.uk says...
>>
>>Patrick Chamandy wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't Lady Thatcher teach you people anything?!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>Yep, never trust people who seem to be solely motivated by money.
>>
>
>price (in principles, morals, friendships etc. as opposed to cash!).
>
>And yes it worked for a while, but there is a backlash. Thatcher was
>anti-society, anti-community and ultimately anti-people, all sacrificed
>at the altar of money, possessions and success. There's only so much of
>that we can take....
>
>She would have loved Jacques, for sure!
>
>Lucy
lol
One thing that she and many people from outside the uk never picked up on was
that, whilst we'd all like to be sticking rich playboys(and girls), we don't
want it at the expense of everyone else. Capitalism, thanks to the devil woman
herself, is now part of the English character, but people who just take
without thought for other will mostley (I hope) be frowned upon. Thatcher (she
ain't no lady) blew it because she went mad (mad enough to makes Pants look
saine!). She lost the plot and assumed everyone had her "look after no.1" lack
of morality (check out her sons sudden rise in income when a couple of
"handy" arms deals came his way). She screwed the public and paid for it (if
you'll excuse the pun :-)) As Lucy says, for sure, she'd have got on well with
Jacques.
Steve
Tom Farrell
Patrick Chamandy wrote:
> > Two accusations of communism in the same thread! Oooooh! And are all
> >
> > the other people in this thread dirty pinkos too?
>
> No, many of them are, like you, folks who scan the ng headers siezing
> upon JV posts as yet another time wasting opportunity to dig their fangs
> in further.
No, I am actually a 'dirty pinko', and proud of it. I don't object to
JV earning money for doing a highly skilled and dangerous job. I do
object to him withholding his name from computer games for a few lousy
dollars more.
Any other driver with sufficient ego to do this would also attract my
criticism. You'll notice neither Schumacher or Hill (who both have more
to make from officially licensed games) don't do this.
Tom
//^_^//)
On 6 Oct 1997 14:40:31 +0100, pa...@look.in.signature (Paul Martin)
wrote:
>:()In article <343b8cde...@news.arrowsmith.net>, //\^_^//\ <s...@s.net> wrote:
>:()>i put the more knowledgeable people in rasf1 in the better cars and
>:()>take great delight in pushing the assholes into the weeds.
>:()
>:()This is a *very* adult thing to do, Spider. I'm sure we're all dead
>:()impressed. Did you have to put down the badger you said you carried in
>:()order to type all the names in properly?
don't worry about it. you didn't make either type of car.
if you find this less than adult what do you think of all the whining,
crying and bitching about JV not appearing in a game when it turns out
that all the bitchers and moaners could have just typed it in.
you appear a little biased here. or are you one of those described
above?
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In article <343a1030...@news.arrowsmith.net>, s...@s.net (//\^_^//\) wrote:
>don't worry about it. you didn't make either type of car.
>
>if you find this less than adult what do you think of all the whining,
>crying and bitching about JV not appearing in a game when it turns out
>that all the bitchers and moaners could have just typed it in.
>
>you appear a little biased here. or are you one of those described
>above?
Oh dear. Can you not see a difference between (1) discussing - critically or
otherwise - someone's business decisions and (2) deciding that a good way to
respond to arguments in the ng which you don't like is...
I give up.
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Christine Johnston
Glyn Johnson <john...@midas-kapiti.com> wrote:
> And would "Damon Hill plc" qualify for all the Irish Development
> Corporation tax breaks for the first five years?
No, you'd have to be a real company to qualify for that - as in having
employees and producing an end product / service and actually making an
investment in the country. I wouldn't have thought having au pair would
cover that :-)
He'd actually have more than one company. One would be the company that
hires him out as a racing driver, one to handle the merchandising stuff,
etc.
Am I the only person here acquainted with tax avoidance? I guess we're
all low-salaried losers....
Dillon Pyron
Christine Johnston wrote:
>
> Glyn Johnson <john...@midas-kapiti.com> wrote:
>
> > And would "Damon Hill plc" qualify for all the Irish Development
> > Corporation tax breaks for the first five years?
>
> No, you'd have to be a real company to qualify for that - as in having
> employees and producing an end product / service and actually making an
> investment in the country. I wouldn't have thought having au pair would
> cover that :-)
If I thought I could skimp on my taxes, I'd have one :-) Hmmm, another
one of those "words with more than one meaning".
>
> He'd actually have more than one company. One would be the company that
> hires him out as a racing driver, one to handle the merchandising stuff,
> etc.
>
> Am I the only person here acquainted with tax avoidance? I guess we're
> all low-salaried losers....
>
Oh, I know HOW to avoid taxes, it's the taking advantage that I have
trouble with.
And remember (at least in the US) tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is
a crime.
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Lucy Laws
In article <3439FC...@open.ac.uk>, J.D....@open.ac.uk says...
>
>Patrick Chamandy wrote:
>
>> Didn't Lady Thatcher teach you people anything?!!!!!!
>>
>>
>Yep, never trust people who seem to be solely motivated by money.
>
And she tried to teach us that we can get what we want, whatever the
price (in principles, morals, friendships etc. as opposed to cash!).
And yes it worked for a while, but there is a backlash. Thatcher was
anti-society, anti-community and ultimately anti-people, all sacrificed
at the altar of money, possessions and success. There's only so much of
that we can take....
She would have loved Jacques, for sure!
Lucy
Steve Glenister
In article <343AF6E0...@interlog.com>, Patrick Chamandy <cham...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Isn't it interesting that before that lady arrived on the scene,
>Britain's economy was choked by greedy unions and rediculously high
>taxes -
And when she left, we were chocked by greedy corporate management and errrr,
ridiculously high taxes.
in short, gross economic inefficiencies in many economic
>sectors.
I think your talking about an economy adjusting to the technological
revolution.
>Everyone outside your country lost all hope (and I'm sure more
>than a few inside). Now Britain is the economic powerhouse of Europe. No
>wonder the conservatives don't want to debase the Sterling by
>contaminating it with Francs and Lira...but I digress.
[rant mode on]
It doesn't really matter what the conservatives think, cause they're a
minority party in this country. The conservatives presided over the worst
depression this country has ever seen, they pinned the pound to the ERM which
put the economy in the hands of German bankers (yes, that's a B :-)), which
cost us billions at the hands of greedy investors. The reason the conservative
party are the 3rd party and all but invisible in the politics of Britain
today, is because they are the most hated party this country has ever seen.
All you heard was thatcher this and thatcher that, you didn't here about
10,000 house reposessions every month because they put interest rates up to
15%, Your not reminded that the water/telephone/gas/electricty/transport
company they just sold us you was actually ours in the first place and that
contrary to "allowing" us all to own it again, it was obvious that most people
would seel it back to coporate sponges, who would then have a license to take
even more money from us.
The Labour party would do well to steer clear of all the tories jumping ship
insteading of courting them to wet the apetites of city arseholes. You should
try living in a country before you pass judgment on it's economy (past and
present).
[off]
Steve
David Reimer
>Isn't it interesting that before that lady arrived on the scene,
>Britain's economy was choked by greedy unions and rediculously high
>taxes - in short, gross economic inefficiencies in many economic
>sectors. [etc. etc. snip snip]
I don't think Canadians appreciate just how low paid their Brit
counterparts are. When we moved to the UK in 1985, nurses went on
strike and won a pay deal that put the *ceiling* for a specialist
(e.g. intensive care) nurse at 12,000stlg. My wife got her first
job in a Toronto hospital *starting* at the equivalent of 16,000stlg.
While the "union thing" was ugly, it was also necessary, is my
guess.
Uh, err, now what did this have to do with F1 again? Oh yes!
Greed!
D.
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Paul Martin
In article <61fmic$6...@romeo.logica.co.uk>, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>The majority of
>tory voters at the last election were over 45 - which bodes very well for
>a rose-y future for our Tony, but nappy face William is obviously just a
>stop-gap while they try (in vain) to find someone with any credibility to
>lead them.
I say Mr Hot Pants. It's gotta work.
Kim Andrews
On 8 Oct 1997 10:16:44 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
-snip-
>
>It is most annoying indeed when people try to form opinions on the way our
>society (and economy) works when they don't live here.
-utter snip-
Why?
No offence Lucy, but global media, global friendships, human
inquisitiveness (did I just make that up?) and a bit of thought can
surely combine to provide an opinion on pretty much anything these
days? I've never lived on the moon, but I believe it ain't made of
cheese.
I defend anybody's right to have an opinion; I don't have to agree
with it. You don't have to agree with me! :o)
Kimbo
Formula One Cartoon Archive
Issue 17 Luxembourg at ...
http://www.dcs.co.uk/foca
k...@foca.co.uk
Lucy Laws
In article <343ba031....@news.powernet.co.uk>, k...@foca.co.uk says...
>
>On 8 Oct 1997 10:16:44 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>-snip-
>
>>
>>It is most annoying indeed when people try to form opinions on the way our
>>society (and economy) works when they don't live here.
>
>-utter snip-
>
>Why?
>
>No offence Lucy, but global media, global friendships, human
>inquisitiveness (did I just make that up?) and a bit of thought can
>surely combine to provide an opinion on pretty much anything these
>days? I've never lived on the moon, but I believe it ain't made of
>cheese.
>
Fair comment. On second thoughts I'm hardly one to go complaining about
opinion expressions, when I have been known to form one or two of my
own without (OK I admit) full knowledge of the situation.
Just take a look around rasf1 - how many people here can honestly say,
hand on heart, that they know exactly what the goings on are in an F1
team?!
Anyway, not sure what came over me to go into rant mode, maybe Steve
brainwashed me...
Lucy
sod the sig.
Irwin Sabath
chr...@dircon.co.uk (Christine Johnston) wrote:
>Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
>
>> That explains it alright. As a foreign company choosing to locate in
>> Ireland Damon Hill plc (I doubt he is publically traded but it sounds
>> good) would only pay 10% corporation tax. He would however pay 48% on
>> his salary, but he could make that small and the profits large.<
Is that 48% the peak of a graduated tax system?
Or is it a flat tax rate for everyone, regardless of income?
>
>A good tax consultant would have that 10% whittled down to about 5% in
>no time. The salary is offshore earnings for the company, as is the
>profits from the merchandising etc. He wouldn't get a salary as such -
>the company would invoice, say, TWR for fees. Only poor sods like you
>ever end up paying 48%.<
"poor sods,"too?
See above.
--
Irwin
t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.
(Helping victims of conventional wisdom)
Paul Martin
In article <B34107F07533CF7D.DD66B8D6...@library-proxy.airnews.net>, ins...@airmail.net (Irwin Sabath) wrote:
>--Justice Learned Hand
>U.S. Supreme Court
OUCH. Remember, Learned Hand was the Chris Amon of the US judiciary.
Irwin Sabath
Wow! Talk about thread drift!
This began with the following query:
*********************************************************************************
Anyone know when F1 97 will be out for the PC?
David Da...@LBSCR.Demon.co.uk
*******************************************************************************
And look where we are now.
k...@foca.co.uk (Kim Andrews) wrote:
>On 8 Oct 1997 10:16:44 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>-snip-
>
>>
>>It is most annoying indeed when people try to form opinions on the way our
>>society (and economy) works when they don't live here.
>
>-utter snip-
>
>Why?
>
>No offence Lucy, but global media, global friendships, human
>inquisitiveness (did I just make that up?) and a bit of thought can
>surely combine to provide an opinion on pretty much anything these
>days? I've never lived on the moon, but I believe it ain't made of
>cheese.
>
>I defend anybody's right to have an opinion; I don't have to agree
>with it. You don't have to agree with me! :o)
>
>Kimbo
>
>Formula One Cartoon Archive
>Issue 17 Luxembourg at ...
>http://www.dcs.co.uk/foca
>k...@foca.co.uk
--
Irwin Sabath
Dillon Pyron <dillon...@amd.com.removethis> wrote:
Precisely!
"Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible.
Everybody does so, rich and poor; and all do right, for nobody owes
any public duty to pay more than the law demands; taxes are enforced
exactions, not voluntary contributions."
--Justice Learned Hand
U.S. Supreme Court
--
Kim Andrews
On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:06:13 GMT, op...@pipeline.com (Mark J.
Frusciante) wrote:
>ins...@airmail.net (Irwin Sabath) wrote:
>->Wow! Talk about thread drift!
>->This began with the following query:
>
>->>Anyone know when F1 97 will be out for the PC?
>
>->And look where we are now.
>
>->k...@foca.co.uk (Kim Andrews) wrote:
>->>On 8 Oct 1997 10:16:44 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
>->>>It is most annoying indeed when people try to form opinions on the way our
>->>>society (and economy) works when they don't live here.
>
>->>No offence Lucy, but global media, global friendships, human
>->>inquisitiveness (did I just make that up?) and a bit of thought can
>->>surely combine to provide an opinion on pretty much anything these
>->>days? I've never lived on the moon, but I believe it ain't made of
>->>cheese.
>->>
>->>I defend anybody's right to have an opinion; I don't have to agree
>->>with it. You don't have to agree with me! :o)
>
>I LOVE THIS GAME !
>
Well, I had to drift, no telly so no playstation, and I hate to be
left out.
So, er, do you prefer bananas when they're hard and a bit green, or
when they've gone all soft and mushy?
Mark J. Frusciante
ins...@airmail.net (Irwin Sabath) wrote:
->Wow! Talk about thread drift!
->This began with the following query:
->>Anyone know when F1 97 will be out for the PC?
->And look where we are now.
->k...@foca.co.uk (Kim Andrews) wrote:
->>On 8 Oct 1997 10:16:44 GMT, La...@logica.com.remove (Lucy Laws) wrote:
->>>It is most annoying indeed when people try to form opinions on the way our
->>>society (and economy) works when they don't live here.
->>No offence Lucy, but global media, global friendships, human
->>inquisitiveness (did I just make that up?) and a bit of thought can
->>surely combine to provide an opinion on pretty much anything these
->>days? I've never lived on the moon, but I believe it ain't made of
->>cheese.
->>
->>I defend anybody's right to have an opinion; I don't have to agree
->>with it. You don't have to agree with me! :o)
I LOVE THIS GAME !
Mark
http://www.pipeline.com/~opus
" 'Skeletons in the closet ?', hell: I got skeletons running around
raiding leftovers from the 'fridge'..." - Jimmy James
MFMetzger
In article <61gne4$32a$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>,
palu....@nuffiedl.xo.ca.ku.reverse-last-2-letters (Paul Martin) writes:
>In article
><B34107F07533CF7D.DD66B8D6...@library-proxy.airnews
.net>,
>ins...@airmail.net (Irwin Sabath) wrote:
>>--Justice Learned Hand
>>U.S. Supreme Court
>
>OUCH. Remember, Learned Hand was the Chris Amon of the US judiciary.
Don't really know if the analogy holds. Sure, ole' Learned never made
it to the Supremes, but he is easily one of the 10 most influential
Anglo-American legal scholars of this century. The man's incredibly lucid
explanations of difficult legal concepts are still quoted daily in the
courts. One can be "winner" in the legal scholarship game without being a
member of the top 9 person team.
If American Judiacature took a hint from F1 Racing and did a 100 best
judges article, I'm thinking the Gilles Villeneuve of the Second Circuit
would be in the top 5. My all time legal Grand Prix team would have Ben
Cardozo and L. Hand as co-number ones with Roger Traynor as, you guessed
it, the test driver trying out improved common law theories.
Mike Metzger
Tom Farrell
Patrick Chamandy wrote:
> > they pinned the pound to the ERM which
> > put the economy in the hands of German bankers (yes, that's a B :-)),
> > which
> > cost us billions at the hands of greedy investors.
>
> Actually, the greedy investors you are referring to are primarily of an
> institutional nature such as pension funds, endowment funds, unit trusts
> etc. It always makes me laugh when people think it's the guy in the
> Jaguar to blame (if "blame" is even an appropriate term).
And it always makes me laugh when someone (who claims to know what they
are talking about) tells us that pension and endowment funds make their
money from currency fluctuations.
Get real.
Tom
Tom Farrell
Irwin Sabath wrote:
>
> chr...@dircon.co.uk (Christine Johnston) wrote:
>
> >Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That explains it alright. As a foreign company choosing to locate in
> >> Ireland Damon Hill plc (I doubt he is publically traded but it sounds
> >> good) would only pay 10% corporation tax. He would however pay 48% on
> >> his salary, but he could make that small and the profits large.<
>
> Is that 48% the peak of a graduated tax system?
> Or is it a flat tax rate for everyone, regardless of income?
48% peak rate but it kicks in early. Below 48 is 27, then the tax free
allowance.
But then there is PRSI which takes another bite...
Tom
Mark J. Frusciante
k...@foca.co.uk (Kim Andrews) wrote:
->On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:06:13 GMT, op...@pipeline.com (Mark J. Frusciante) wrote:
->>I LOVE THIS GAME !
->Well, I had to drift, no telly so no playstation, and I hate to be
->left out.
No "telly" ? How do you watch the races ?
( How then do keep up with inconsequential events ? )
Mark J. Frusciante
ins...@airmail.net (Irwin Sabath) wrote:
->Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
->>But then there is PRSI which takes another bite...<
->Don't have a clue what that is.
Gaelic for FICA ?
Irwin Sabath
Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
>Irwin Sabath wrote:
>>
>> chr...@dircon.co.uk (Christine Johnston) wrote:
>>
>> >Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> That explains it alright. As a foreign company choosing to locate in
>> >> Ireland Damon Hill plc (I doubt he is publically traded but it sounds
>> >> good) would only pay 10% corporation tax. He would however pay 48% on
>> >> his salary, but he could make that small and the profits large.<
>>
>> Is that 48% the peak of a graduated tax system?
>> Or is it a flat tax rate for everyone, regardless of income?
>
>
>48% peak rate but it kicks in early.<
How early? Ie, at what income threshhold?
> Below 48 is 27,<
Same questions
> then the tax free allowance.<
Sounds like standard exemptions in the U.S>
>
>But then there is PRSI which takes another bite...<
Don't have a clue what that is.
--
Kim Andrews
On Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:18:59 GMT, op...@pipeline.com (Mark J.
Frusciante) wrote:
>k...@foca.co.uk (Kim Andrews) wrote:
>->On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:06:13 GMT, op...@pipeline.com (Mark J. Frusciante) wrote:
>->>I LOVE THIS GAME !
>
>->Well, I had to drift, no telly so no playstation, and I hate to be
>->left out.
>
>No "telly" ? How do you watch the races ?
With a fixed stare? Okay, with a friend.
>
>( How then do keep up with inconsequential events ? )
Radio 4, The Times, what more does one need?
Patrick Chamandy
<HTML>
Glyn Johnson wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Tom Farrell wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> Patrick Chamandy wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> > > they pinned the pound to the ERM which
<BR>> > > put the economy in the hands of German bankers (yes, that's a
B :-)),
<BR>> > > which
<BR>> > > cost us billions at the hands of greedy investors.
<BR>> >
<BR>> > Actually, the greedy investors you are referring to are primarily
of an
<BR>> > institutional nature such as pension funds, endowment funds, unit
trusts
<BR>> > etc. It always makes me laugh when people think it's the guy in
the
<BR>> > Jaguar to blame (if "blame" is even an appropriate term).
<BR>>
<BR>> And it always makes me laugh when someone (who claims to know what
they
<BR>> are talking about) tells us that pension and endowment funds make
their
<BR>> money from currency fluctuations.
<BR>>
<BR>> Get real.
<BR>>
<BR>> Tom
<P>And how else do they make money? Investing in the currency maket is
just
<BR>one of the ways a well run pension or endowment fund will make money.
<BR>Usually there will be a portfolio run by an investment manager which
<BR>tries to maximise return while minimising the risk. So at any time
a
<BR>pension fund could be invested in the currency market, equities, stock
<BR>bonds, property or even just on deposit at the local bank or building
<BR>society.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanx Glyn, but I think it's only fair to admit I didn't make my point
overly clear.
<P>Yes, there is no question that an institution may participate in currency
markets either directly or indirectly. Directly by buying and selling currencies:
indirectly by buying and foreign investment which must be settled with
in the local currency. If your stock appreciates by 15% but the <U>your</U>
currency appreiates by 6% versus the currency the stock is denominated
in, your net gain is 9%.
<P>The true essence of my point is that most people, whether they no it
or not, are part of these institutions. They should understand that it's
these so-called greedy investment managers who are trying to ensure the
money is there for you to retire, or pay your medical expenses, tuition
etc.
<P>Some people can't see the forest coz there's too many trees blocking
their view.
<P>--
<BR>Patrick Chamandy
<BR>Toronto, Canada
<BR> </HTML>
Steve Glenister
In article <343DF7...@iona.com>, Tom Farrell <tfar...@iona.com> wrote:
>Glyn Johnson wrote:
>
>> And how else do they make money? Investing in the currency maket is just
>
>Any decent pension fund will make their money investing in a variety of
>stocks from high risk silicon valley start-ups to blue chip government
>bonds.
>
>They will NOT gamble on currency values. To do so is far too risky and
>whilst individual investors and certain funds may try it, a pension fund
>would be *extremely unlikely* to take this route.
>
>George Soros made $1 billion the day the pound fell. He does not work
>for a pension fund.
>
>Tom
THAT was the guy, I couldn't remember his name. How that wanker can sleep at
night I'll never know. He put alot of people on the street, and the tories let
him.
Steve
Tom Farrell
Irwin Sabath wrote:
> >48% peak rate but it kicks in early.<
> How early? Ie, at what income threshhold?
>
> > Below 48 is 27,<
> Same questions
>
> > then the tax free allowance.<
>
> Sounds like standard exemptions in the U.S>
> >
> >But then there is PRSI which takes another bite...<
>
> Don't have a clue what that is
How on earth did we end up here :-)
Off the top of my head:
Tax free to about £4000
27% to about £13000
48% after
PRSI (social insurance) is 6% (?) on all income.
Tom
Irwin Sabath
st...@discreet.co.uk (Steve Glenister) wrote:
No one "LET" him. He acted independently. Didn't ask permission.
Rather than cast blame on currency speculators, look at the
goverment's fiscal policies which created economic imbalances, thus
opening the door to people like Soros.
It's happened in England, Mexico a few years ago, and most recently
SouthEast Asia. In each case, the local politicos look elsewhere for a
populist scapegoat.