DAMON HILL IS THE LEAST DESERVING WORLD CHAMPION OF ALL TIME.
Max Behara
Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
cheating dickhead.
So there...
Charlie Walker
Max Behara (ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca) wrote:
: Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
: thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
: cheating dickhead.
: So there...
--
What are you on about?!? Is this flame-bait? Justify yourself and make
sure to use toilet paper.
Regards, Charlie Walker - ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca
Jax
In article <53q1b8$l...@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>, Max Behara
<ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> writes
>
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>cheating dickhead.
>
> So there...
>
--
Jax
Ron Pondaag
Look I'm a Villineuve fan too. But Hill won his championship fair.
Villeneuve had his chance in Italy.I'm not a Hill fan nor a Schuey fan. But
I'm glad that this years championship was decided on a fair basis.
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Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff
Max Behara (ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca) writes:
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
> cheating dickhead.
>
> So there...
---
Max, you're mental diarrhea is an embarrassment.
Speaking as a proud Canadian, I congratulate Damon Hill for his
acomplishments!
Of course I was cheering for Villeneuve. But Villeneuve, even if he had
won the race, could only have taken the championship if Hill committed a
major blunder. I wouldn't wish that sort of defeat on anybody.
The next worst thing that could have happened would have been for
Villeneuve to win the race, but have Hill finish an easy 6th to take the
championship. Despite his past accomplishments, the world championship
would have been seen as a hollow prize for Hill in that case.
Instead, it was Villeneuve who lost the race right from the start. Forget
the conspiracy theories. Villeneuve drove brilliantly after his poor
start, but he would never have gotten past Hakkinen or Schumacher. And I
suspect that Hill still had something in reserve in case anyone got close
enough to mount a serious challenge to his lead.
Hill won the race outright and proved to all that he is well entitled to
the championship. Good for him!
-Ferdinand-
gra...@cc1.unt.edu
>Max Behara (ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca) writes:
>> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>> cheating dickhead.
>>
>> So there...
To which many good intending and proud Canadian JV fans replied to
defend the reputation of country and king (JV).
To which I reply...
Guys, you don't need to worry that regular readers of this group are going
to assume that all JV fans and Canadians are represented by Max Behara. As
most of us are all too painfully aware, Max is an idiotic Schumacher
zealot, and one of those twisted ones who spends more time blasting other
drivers as opposed to praising their hero's. Psychotic.
Funny, last year he was posting regularly, but he's been pretty
quiet this year. No great loss though considering he's never contributed
anything positive here. I suggest you add him to your killfile.
Michael Graham
Le Metropolitain
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>cheating dickhead.
> So there...
Yo, Max!
I hear Steve Crow knows where you can get a lobotomy real cheap!
Nicol
JCC282
i couldn't agree with you more. The only reason that Damon won was all of
the driver changes last year.
Hill can't pass
Hill can't handle pressure
Hill can only do well when he is in front
Hill is a good driver, but not a good racer
Jax
In article <graham.63...@cc1.unt.edu>, gra...@cc1.unt.edu writes
>>Max Behara (ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca) writes:
>>> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>>> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>>> cheating dickhead.
>>>
>>> So there...
>
>defend the reputation of country and king (JV).
>
>To which I reply...
>Guys, you don't need to worry that regular readers of this group are going
>to assume that all JV fans and Canadians are represented by Max Behara. As
>most of us are all too painfully aware, Max is an idiotic Schumacher
>zealot, and one of those twisted ones who spends more time blasting other
>drivers as opposed to praising their hero's. Psychotic.
>
>Funny, last year he was posting regularly, but he's been pretty
>quiet this year. No great loss though considering he's never contributed
>anything positive here. I suggest you add him to your killfile.
>
>Michael Graham
--
Jax
Sean Clare
Jax <nut...@nuttll.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<Bgkr2DAv...@nuttll.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <53q1b8$l...@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>, Max Behara
> <ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> writes
> >
> > Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
> >thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
> >cheating dickhead.
> >
> > So there...
> >
> God these Canadian, sore losers are getting *really* boring (Yawn)
> --
> Jax
>
Hey Jax . . . this comment was earlier rebuffed . . . and by a Canadian.
Must you take each and every opportunity to run down JV and all Canadians?
Lyndon J. Allen
Max Behara wrote:
>
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
> cheating dickhead.
>
> So there...
Now I hate Schumi, but I`d never go this far!
Eh mate, get some RL way of losing that agression, or your gonna have a
heart attack.
Lyndon
Jax
In article <326625...@telecall.co.uk>, "Lyndon J. Allen"
<lja...@telecall.co.uk> writes
--
Jax
Ian Howell
In article <53q1b8$l...@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>, ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Max Behara) writes:
>
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>cheating dickhead.
>
> So there...
>
You are such a loser Max.
P.B. Dijkstra
In article <5440te$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jcc...@aol.com (JCC282) writes:
>From: jcc...@aol.com (JCC282)
>Subject: Re: DAMON HILL IS THE LEAST DESERVING WORLD CHAMPION OF ALL TIME.
>Date: 16 Oct 1996 21:07:58 -0400
>i couldn't agree with you more. The only reason that Damon won was all of
>the driver changes last year.
Bullshit
>Hill can't pass
Hill can pass just not as good as Jaques or Michael.
>Hill can't handle pressure
Again, yes he can...... He showed two times he could deal well with
pressure by doing the right thing in the final races(1994 and 1996)
>Hill can only do well when he is in front
There is truth in that...
>Hill is a good driver, but not a good racer
Again I agree.
The whole point is if someone qualifies in the front row all season, if
someone wins the most races someone deserves to win the WC.
You see having the best car also has to imply you can bring the car to the
WC so.... DH did great in 1996, as he failed so miserabley last year.
End of line Dh might not be the "best" cahmpion but he sure as hell deserved
it.
PBD
j...@usa.pipeline.com
ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Max Behara) wrote:
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>cheating dickhead.
> So there...
So how the hell did he win the championship..I'm a little
confused...and if it's because he had the best equipment and no
talent, then why didn't JV win.....grow up. (I assume your same logic
would also cover Jimmy Vasser for the same lame reasons)
j...@usa.pipeline.com
jcc...@aol.com (JCC282) wrote:
>i couldn't agree with you more. The only reason that Damon won was all of
>the driver changes last year.
>Hill can't pass
>Hill can't handle pressure
>Hill can only do well when he is in front
>Hill is a good driver, but not a good racer
And Hill won the championship making you a regular asshole.
BV Lab Group
Max Behara <ac...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote in article
<53q1b8$l...@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>...
>
> Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
> cheating dickhead.
>
> So there...
>
What about that year Alain Prost won the world championship in the
Williams? If it didn't look like he was going to win a race, he didn't
bother trying he knew the car was so dominant that he'd probably win the
next race anyway.
Also there was the small matter of Team orders, Damon was not allowed to
overtake Alain at the end of the french grand prix. This year there were no
tema orders so I think damon won fair and square :-)
|#300| Mr Knowitall
>Hey Damon! I shit on your World Championship. It doesn't mean a
>thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>cheating dickhead.
I wonder how many dickwads like this there are out there.......
If you can't say something intelligent......Shut Up !
-=<mr k>=-
Mark Exley
In article <326625...@telecall.co.uk>, "Lyndon J. Allen"
<lja...@telecall.co.uk> writes
>Max Behara wrote:
>>
>> thing. This year's championship is null and void. You're an untalented
>> cheating dickhead.
>>
>Hmm....
>
>Now I hate Schumi, but I`d never go this far!
>
>Eh mate, get some RL way of losing that agression, or your gonna have a
>heart attack.
>
>Lyndon
grand prix and last years and the years before i never saw Hill cheat,
i did see him win,get pole positions,and take the world championship in
style,guess you must have tuned into something else,a basket weaving
course prehaps?
--
Mark Exley
Roberto Selbach
Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
car!
Mark Orr
He'll probably be a bit faster then you on accounts he is is better physical
shape!!
Mark
Peter Fisla
Yeah well..what else is new ?...that's how life goes...but I hope my friend
Michael
will get this year "his" "1" back....:)
Peter
Roberto Selbach <cl...@malbanet.com.br> wrote in article
<32e7a2d...@cis.clark.edu>...
RBrigstock
<< Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
car! >>
Typical moron talking out of his butt. Gives no evidence to support his
views. "Joke of a Pilot"? Damon has out-pointed all of his team mates
besides Prost.
The poster also obviously knows nothing about what makes a fast driver.
Any decent driver who even watches Damon drive has to admire his precision
and skill.
I think, as a general rule, that anyone who ends all his sentences with
exclamation marks is an idiot.
Robin O. Brigstocke
Andrew Banks
hmmm.... that makes sense
toni_j
In article <19970124085...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rbrig...@aol.com says...
>
><< Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon
Hill
>is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>car! >>
Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
gift to motor racing. I always have and always will hate Damon. Not
least for the 1994/95 episodes. Those who love him now seem to have
conveniently forgotten about all that, and how they hated him that
time....
You're right. This year we'll see what a *crap* driver he really is. As
well as seeing Schumie taking the Championship, with JV not far behind.
Don't hate me.
I just don't like the guy...
dennis ruddell
Mike van Dijken wrote:
>
> > << Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon
> Hill
> > is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without
> a
> > car! >>
> >
>
> he would probably struggle to make my top 5. But you have to say that
> Damon is skilled and precise. He is one of the best developers of a car
> around at the moment (in terms of engeneering and overall package),
> which is one reason why he can demand such a high price tag. Hill was
> with Williams for several years, starting when Williams was coming out
> of its 'dark' years. Since he joined, it has become totally unbeatable.
> (The fact that Shui won in '94 shows that Hill is not the top driver,
> even though he had a top car.)
>
> My prediction is that the Arrows will become a very competitive car in
> a few years time because of Hill's input.
>
> Mike
i agree mike...dh was very instrumental in williams success today and
don't really understand why so many people are down on him...arrows may
start slow but by season end i'm sure they will be moving along.
dennis
Ian Brigstocke
Toni J wrote:
>Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
>gift to motor racing.
How long have you been on the group? I seem to remember a thread
entitled "Hill is Shit" and another one called "Hill Looser" each
going on for about nine months.
>I always have and always will hate Damon. Not
>least for the 1994/95 episodes.
I'm sorry. I must not follow motor racing as closely as you do. What
did Damon do in 1994 to earn your wrath? As far as 1995 goes, I agree
that Hill fell apart. Still, what did he do to earn hate?
Was that your dog he ran over?
Ian
Marcin Szewczyk
Toni J wrote:
: rbrig...@aol.com says...
: ><< Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon
: >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
: >car! >>
: Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
: gift to motor racing. I always have and always will hate Damon. Not
: least for the 1994/95 episodes. Those who love him now seem to have
: time....
:
: Don't hate me.
: I just don't like the guy...
Why don't you like Damon Hill? Why do you think that he is a
poor driver? Because he was better then Schu ?
Ohhh sorry... I forget that you are the best driver, OBE Damon Hill is only
F1 world champion...
Don't hate me.
I just don't like you...
Marcin.
leje...@worldaccess.nl
On 25-01-97 4:07, in message <32e975b7...@netnews.lightside.com>, Ian
Brigstocke <kim...@lightside.com> wrote:
> Toni J wrote:
>
> >Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
> >gift to motor racing.
>
> How long have you been on the group? I seem to remember a thread
> entitled "Hill is Shit" and another one called "Hill Looser" each
> going on for about nine months.
>
> >I always have and always will hate Damon. Not
> >least for the 1994/95 episodes.
>
> I'm sorry. I must not follow motor racing as closely as you do. What
> did Damon do in 1994 to earn your wrath? As far as 1995 goes, I agree
> that Hill fell apart. Still, what did he do to earn hate?
>
> Was that your dog he ran over?
>
> Ian
Is did the level of Internet users and Formula 1, jee what an arrogant talkin,
Damon is at least a nice guy.
Roberto Selbach
>Why don't you like Damon Hill? Why do you think that he is a
>poor driver? Because he was better then Schu ?
>
>Ohhh sorry... I forget that you are the best driver, OBE Damon Hill is only
>F1 world champion...
>
>Don't hate me.
>I just don't like you...
>
> Marcin.
>
Damon Hill is NOT better then Schumacher (as proved this very season
when Schumacher, with a Ferrari which was really bad, was competitive
all season.
Brit Kids, forget about Hill. He is a joke. We are always laughing at
his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
dennis ruddell
Graham Shevlin wrote:
>
> cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto Selbach) wrote:
>
> >Brit Kids, forget about Hill. He is a joke. We are always laughing at
> >his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
> >real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
> stuffed his car into the barrier...stop patronising British people and
> adopt a more balanced perspective, and I'll start taking your postings
> seriously.
hey! im NOT a brit/kid and still think hill is a great set-up
man/driver...
duh! who's the present champ
Tim C
On the subject "DAMON HILL IS THE LEAST DESERVING WORLD CHAMPION OF ALL
TIME."
Roberto Selbach deliberated and said:
>Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
>is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>car!
To come out with a statement such as this you must be gifted with a very
great intelligence and obviously have deliberated long and hard on the
subject. Will you therefore share your thoughts with the rest of the F1
community and tell everybody, including me and other Damon Hill
supporters, just why you have come to this startling conclusion.
TC
--
TC
Graham Shevlin
Gsabi
Toni J wrote:
(snip)
>Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
>conveniently forgotten about all that, and how they hated him that
>time....
>Don't hate me.
>I just don't like the guy...
Well, you don't have to LIKE the guy but this tirade is a little
juvenile don't you think? Do you know him personally? Why should you
HATE him?
And please, don't write back with fire in your pen; I'm not
interested.
Steve Coe
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:42:42 GMT, cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto
Selbach) wasted some precious bandwidth saying:
>Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
>is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>car!
Without a car? What do Arrows make then?
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Roberto Selbach
On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:38:20 GMT, GR...@msg.ti.com (Graham Shevlin )
wrote:
Hey, I hate Schumacher, too. You see, just because they are the best
pilots right now, that don't make then good pilots at all.
Certainly, Schumacher and Hill are the best now (along with
Villeneuve). But the fact is that after Senna and Prost stopped
racing, F1 is not the same anymore (I guess Satoru Nakagima should
come back to become WC ;)
Unicorn
>Well, you don't have to LIKE the guy but this tirade is a little
>juvenile don't you think? Do you know him personally? Why should you
>HATE him?
Damon hill is most probably one of the most unpopular drivers in a few
years.
Statements by Hill ----" I should have won, becuase my father won
here."
Christ, how dam arrogant. Does have a pommy taste to it though.
Hill is not that bad as a driver, but his attitude stinks worse than
the fight between Prost and Senna.
It is a well known fact that you cannot compare hill and Schumacher,
but hill made things bad for himself.
While hill was on the podium getting his F1 WC trophy, there was
people playing the disco song " GO SCHUMI" in the road in front of
the stands and dancing and cheering. They were not cheering hill.
That is for sure.
According to pols taken by Motorsport International, or Motorsport Mag
( I wil get the source) Schumi was still the most popular driver on
the track throughout the year.
Hill even with his championship never got higher than 6th on the list.
This was even after the last race.
That should tell you something.
Now for the hate.
I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
whole hill things smells.
Murry Walker and the other people could not wait for the "GERMAN" to
make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
IMHO
PS. Flame me if you like. This is one of about 35 addresses that I
have.
Unicorn
>Why don't you like Damon Hill? Why do you think that he is a
>poor driver? Because he was better then Schu ?
>Ohhh sorry... I forget that you are the best driver, OBE Damon Hill is only
>F1 world champion...
Damon Hill is a average driver. He is not one of the best on the
track, and there is many a driver who would have done better
throughout the year had they been driving the car that gave hill the
Championship.
If you dig hill so much, please just stay on the newsgroups when the
arsehole starts driving next year in a car that is about the same
standard as most of the other F1 cars.
Lets see if hill can do as good in a new car as Schimi did in a new
car. I can take you a bet _ NOT.
Hill won only becuase he could hang in there untill the end. Also
take into consideration that his car got him there. With all the
bugger ups he made, if he had been in a bad car, he would not have
been in the front, come the end of the season.
I dont hold that against Hill. In the history of F1 there has only
been a few very good drivers, like Fangio, Prost, Senna, Lauda,
Schumacher, and I promise you that Hill will not go down in the halls
of fame for being on of the best.
He may go down in the halls of fame for being the driver with the
shittest attitude.
Dominic
Simon Cossar
In article <19970124085...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, RBrigstock
<rbrig...@aol.com> writes
> Typical moron talking out of his butt. Gives no evidence to support his
>views. "Joke of a Pilot"? Damon has out-pointed all of his team mates
>besides Prost.
> The poster also obviously knows nothing about what makes a fast driver.
>Any decent driver who even watches Damon drive has to admire his precision
>and skill.
> I think, as a general rule, that anyone who ends all his sentences with
>exclamation marks is an idiot.
>
>
"Damon has out-pointed all of his team mates besides Prost?"
What is that supposed to mean?
Ayrton Senna didn't get a chance to beat Hill except in qualifying and
Coulthard was in his early days!
(I think your evidence is poor!)
--
Simon
Maria Tarkka
Steve Coe wrote:
> Roberto Selbach wasted some precious bandwidth saying:
> >Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
> >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
> >car!
> Without a car? What do Arrows make then?
Slings, maybe? Just a wild guess... ;-)
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uni...@igubu.saix.net (Unicorn) wrote:
(snip)
>According to pols taken by Motorsport International, or Motorsport Mag
>( I wil get the source) Schumi was still the most popular driver on
>the track throughout the year.
>Hill even with his championship never got higher than 6th on the list.
>This was even after the last race.
>That should tell you something.
Sorry, what does it tell me?
Graham Shevlin
uni...@igubu.saix.net (Unicorn) wrote:
>Damon hill is most probably one of the most unpopular drivers in a few
>years.
An opinion totally unsupported by any evidence except the following
anecdotal statement...
>Statements by Hill ----" I should have won, becuase my father won
>here."
Can you provide a source for this statement? I have never heard
anything like it, or read anything like it anywhere.
>Christ, how dam arrogant. Does have a pommy taste to it though.
Aah so I see! You're an Australian. You wouldn't have anything against
British people would you?
>Hill is not that bad as a driver, but his attitude stinks worse than
>the fight between Prost and Senna.
>It is a well known fact that you cannot compare hill and Schumacher,
>but hill made things bad for himself.
I can compare Hill and Schumacher. Schumacher is the better driver. No
contest. But Hill had the better car, so he was champion. That's the
system. Now, how did Hill make things bad for himself?
>While hill was on the podium getting his F1 WC trophy, there was
>people playing the disco song " GO SCHUMI" in the road in front of
>the stands and dancing and cheering. They were not cheering hill.
>That is for sure.
Hold on a second...The World Championship trophy is handed out at the
annual FIA awards dinner in Paris in December, not at any race track.
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
>According to pols taken by Motorsport International, or Motorsport Mag
>( I wil get the source) Schumi was still the most popular driver on
>the track throughout the year.
>Hill even with his championship never got higher than 6th on the list.
>This was even after the last race.
>That should tell you something.
Popular with who? Germans? The local squirrel population? Journalists?
TV viewers? Without some qualifying explanation, the statement is
meaningless. So what is the original source?
>Now for the hate.
Ah, at last we get to the real problem...
>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
>whole hill things smells.
<garbage snipped>
>IMHO
Humble? Not much sign of humility here.
>PS. Flame me if you like. This is one of about 35 addresses that I
>have.
I'm not flaming you. I'm just showing what half-assed garbage this
posting is.
RBrigstock
<< What is that supposed to mean? >>
It means Hill drove better and more consistently than his team mates.
Maybe you should have read it twice for it to filter through your skull
into your brain.
<< Ayrton Senna didn't get a chance to beat Hill except in qualifying and
Coulthard was in his early days! >>
Senna got three chances to beat Hill and he didn't do it. Of course I'm
not saying that Hill is better than Senna, but Senna put himself off at
least twice. The third time is still under investigation as I'm sure you
should know. I'm almost certain that Coulthard had two years to beat Hill
and he didn't do it. Two years is just getting started in your book? HIll
won three races his first year and out-qualified Prost three times his
first year in F1. How well did Coulthard do against Hill in '94? Hill's
only had one more year in F1 than Coulthard.
<< (I think your evidence is poor!) >>
I think you have no evidence whatsoever. And I'll repeat my earlier
statement that only idiots put exclamation points at the end of all their
sentences. (Though you did break the monotony by supplying me with one
question mark...)
Robin O. Brigstocke
GillesVivo
> Of course I'm not saying that Hill is better than Senna,
> but Senna put himself off at least twice.
Only once, Hakkinen and Larini rammed him at Aida.
S.A....@ncl.ac.uk
cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto Selbach) wrote:
>Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
>is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>car!
Oh yeah and like Michael Andretti was a good driver. What would you lot
know about good drivers. Nigel Mansell went into Indy Car and stuffed
you at his first attempt. Don't criticise our drivers until you have a
decent one yourself.
Erwin Kooij
In article <32eabd52...@news.ucalgary.ca>, dr...@geocities.com (Steve
Coe) wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:42:42 GMT, cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto
> Selbach) wasted some precious bandwidth saying:
>
> >Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
> >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
> >car!
>
> Without a car? What do Arrows make then?
Cars, in my opinion, are supposed to have the ability to do what they are
made to do, which is to drive (and fast if we're talking F1). Arrows -at
least last season- did not have the tendency to do just that.
Ed
Erwin Kooij
In article <19970127060...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rbrig...@aol.com (RBrigstock) wrote:
> I'm almost certain that Coulthard had two years to beat Hill
> and he didn't do it. Two years is just getting started in your book? HIll
> won three races his first year and out-qualified Prost three times his
> first year in F1.
>
> Robin O. Brigstocke
Says something about Prost too, doesn't it?
Sorry, just could help myself.
I agree that Hill didn't really deserve the title however. There are many
explinations possible for his *massive* lead in points. A few that come to
mind are:
- Villeneuve's oil pressure in Melbourne
- Berger's engine in Hockenheim
- Villeneuve's tire in Suzuka
With those facts in mind, Hill should have 8 points less, and Villeneuve
should have at least 8 points more. That brings the difference down to 3
points. That is quite ashaming for a F1 ace (2 times runner-up for the
title) vs. a rookie like Villeneuve.
Ed
pap...@ix.netcom.com
I will qualify this by saying that I dont hate any drivers.......I
tend to root for some more than others...but hate how do you hate a
driver...
But for accuracies sake Senna put himself off once that season thru
driver error...in Brazil, in Japan Hakkenin ran into him....nothing to
do about that...and Imola...well we wait for some word.
PAPA DOC
>
> Senna got three chances to beat Hill and he didn't do it. Of course I'm
>not saying that Hill is better than Senna, but Senna put himself off at
>least twice. The third time is still under investigation as I'm sure you
>should know. I'm almost certain that Coulthard had two years to beat Hill
>and he didn't do it. Two years is just getting started in your book? HIll
>won three races his first year and out-qualified Prost three times his
Lucy Laws
uni...@igubu.saix.net (Unicorn) wrote:
>
>>Well, you don't have to LIKE the guy but this tirade is a little
>>juvenile don't you think? Do you know him personally? Why should you
>>HATE him?
Now here was I thinking this Monday morning ng browse was getting rather
dull, when I chance upon such a marvelllous troll. It's too good an
opportunity to miss, so I'm going to have to respond (even though it's
probably not worth wasting my time on an idiot like unicorn - I've said
it before - is that a horn sticking out of your forehead or something else?)
>
>Damon hill is most probably one of the most unpopular drivers in a few
>years.
Unpopular with you maybe, but who gives a monkey's who you like or dislike!
>
>Statements by Hill ----" I should have won, becuase my father won
>here."
Never heard this quote before, it's taken out of context (as per usual) so
we don't know what point Damon was making. It's my guess he was saying that
it was important for him to win for himself, because his father had won
there. It would be entirely out of character for Damon to be as arrogant
as to assume he would win because his Dad did. Sounds more like the kind of
thing certain other drivers might say.
>
>Christ, how dam arrogant. Does have a pommy taste to it though.
Now you get abusive - what's your point? Get to it please!
>
>Hill is not that bad as a driver, but his attitude stinks worse than
>the fight between Prost and Senna.
Hill has one of the most balanced and mature attitudes in the sport.
>
>It is a well known fact that you cannot compare hill and Schumacher,
>but hill made things bad for himself.
Fact? Fact? I don't think so. You can compare them quite easily! Hill
hasn't the flare of Schumacher admittedly, but he has strengths in other
areas - such as speed/line and development of the car.
>
>While hill was on the podium getting his F1 WC trophy, there was
>people playing the disco song " GO SCHUMI" in the road in front of
>the stands and dancing and cheering. They were not cheering hill.
>That is for sure.
Aha - now we know how much you understand/know about F1. Hill didn't
get his WC trophy at Suzuka. It was just the race trophy.
Evidence of this Schumacher-only support? I watched the race and saw
plenty of Hill supporters and banners in the crowd. If you were there
then it's natural you would have been with the Schumacher supporters. Seeing
as you *hate* Hill, you'd hardly have been mixing with his crowd would you!
>
>According to pols taken by Motorsport International, or Motorsport Mag
>( I wil get the source) Schumi was still the most popular driver on
>the track throughout the year.
Popular with who? The supporters? (maybe) The other drivers? (not likely)
The press? (I doubt it)
Although that does depend on what you mean by popular. Are we talking
driving skills here or personality?
>
>Hill even with his championship never got higher than 6th on the list.
>This was even after the last race.
>
>That should tell you something.
Tells me what, exactly?
>
>Now for the hate.
>
>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
>whole hill things smells.
He washes fairly regularly I'm sure.
>
>Murry Walker and the other people could not wait for the "GERMAN" to
>make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
>matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
>cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
>like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
What a complete load of tripe! Walker admires Schumacher as much as
anyone else does. He raves about his driving skills (and all the other
drivers as well). If he *mentions* Hill more often than the others, it's
because he is employed by the BBC and the target audience is British.
Hill is a British driver with a lot of support in the UK, so he is
providing the info we want about Hill and how he is doing.
>
>IMHO
Please don't bore us with your Hill-hatred in future.
>
>PS. Flame me if you like. This is one of about 35 addresses that I
>have.
OOOOOOOOOOOooooooohhhhhhhhh I'm impressed.
Not.
Lucy
__________________________________________________
Opinions expressed are my own and not my employers
mwh:p
RBrigstock wrote:
>
> I think, as a general rule, that anyone who ends all his sentences
> with exclamation marks is an idiot.
Some sentences are exclamations! Also, as punctuation, it is
meant to end a sentence. Put it elsewhere in a sentence,
and you are an idiot!
mwh:p
RBrigstock wrote:
>
> << Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon
Hill is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do
without a car! >>
>
> mates besides Prost.
Who was suprised by Hill's speed on a number of occasions, and
who says Hill is an underrated driver...
> The poster also obviously knows nothing about what makes a fast
> driver. Any decent driver who even watches Damon drive has to admire
> his precision and skill.
Absolutely; and you don't need to be a decent driver to tell
that Hill is smoother and (possibly...sometimes :) faster than
Schui
> I think, as a general rule, that anyone who ends all his sentences
> with exclamation marks is an idiot.
After posting a reply to this, I thought I'd better state that I
do indeed agree with your main point :)
Dr M.J. Pickles
In article <Erwin.Kooij-27...@studs03.mac.stud.phil.ruu.nl>,
Erwin Kooij <Erwin...@phil.ruu.nl> wrote:
>In article <32eabd52...@news.ucalgary.ca>, dr...@geocities.com (Steve
>Coe) wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:42:42 GMT, cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto
>> Selbach) wasted some precious bandwidth saying:
>>
>> >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>> >car!
>>
>
>Cars, in my opinion, are supposed to have the ability to do what they are
>made to do, which is to drive (and fast if we're talking F1). Arrows -at
>least last season- did not have the tendency to do just that.
>
>Ed
--
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or, just find me an open car - I'll make the speed of light outta this place"
- Roger Taylor
Eric Ehlers
Erwin Kooij <Erwin...@phil.ruu.nl> wrote in article
<Erwin.Kooij-27...@studs03.mac.stud.phil.ruu.nl>...
>
> I agree that Hill didn't really deserve the title however. There are many
> explinations possible for his *massive* lead in points. A few that come
to
> mind are:
> - Villeneuve's oil pressure in Melbourne
> - Berger's engine in Hockenheim
> - Villeneuve's tire in Suzuka
>
> With those facts in mind, Hill should have 8 points less, and Villeneuve
> should have at least 8 points more. That brings the difference down to 3
> points. That is quite ashaming for a F1 ace (2 times runner-up for the
> title) vs. a rookie like Villeneuve.
What ridiculous arguments. If you're wont to consider what-ifs, consider
this: the fact is that if Schumy hadn't chop-blocked Hill (after mortally
wounding his Benetton) at Adelaide in '95, then Hill, not Schumacher, would
be a two-time WC. Anyone that wins the World Driver's Championship
DESERVES IT ! PERIOD!! Get Over It !!
As for Villeneuve, he is a rookie in name only, very experienced and highly
talented, and driving the best car. And don't forget what Mansell said
about the Willams in '92, something to the effect of "a chimpanzee could
win in this car".
Only 6 more weeks 'til opener - yahoo !!!
Eric
--
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Hayashi Masayoshi
Simon Cossar (si...@cmcuk.demon.co.uk) wrote:
snip:
: Ayrton Senna didn't get a chance to beat Hill except in qualifying
[snip]
Contrary to the original intent of the poster, this is somewhat
enlighting. I have never thought of this: Senna did not beat Hill in
those races! -- read, Hill "beat" Senna in the races :-).
Smiley emphasized.
HM.
G.Goodfellow
On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Erwin Kooij wrote:
> > >Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
> > >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
> > >car!
> >
> > Without a car? What do Arrows make then?
>
> Cars, in my opinion, are supposed to have the ability to do what they are
> made to do, which is to drive (and fast if we're talking F1). Arrows -at
> least last season- did not have the tendency to do just that.
This being your logic then for the first half of the year Williams made
but one car, and Ferrari only bothered with one all season.
George
Mario
>- Villeneuve's oil pressure in Melbourne
>- Berger's engine in Hockenheim
>- Villeneuve's tire in Suzuka
>
>With those facts in mind, Hill should have 8 points less, and Villeneuve
>should have at least 8 points more. That brings the difference down to 3
>points.
Sorry, that equation is stupid. Talking about what-ifs, add 10 points
for Hills engine in Monaco and you're up to 13 again
Mario
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Edwin Solheim
Erwin Kooij wrote:
> I agree that Hill didn't really deserve the title however. There are many
> explinations possible for his *massive* lead in points. A few that come
to
> mind are:
> - Villeneuve's oil pressure in Melbourne
> - Berger's engine in Hockenheim
> - Villeneuve's tire in Suzuka
>
> With those facts in mind, Hill should have 8 points less, and Villeneuve
> should have at least 8 points more. That brings the difference down to 3
> points. That is quite ashaming for a F1 ace (2 times runner-up for the
> title) vs. a rookie like Villeneuve.
>
Winning the CART championship in his 2nd. year and finishing 2nd. and 1st.
in his two attempts at the Indy 500, does'nt sound like a rookie to me !!
Yea - yea, I know you mean rookie in F1 terms. But if you take a deeper
look at it, there's not that much seperating CART and F1; Both series are
Hi-Tech and run a high level, featuring many highly skilled and fast
drivers. IMO, CART are properly the one whilch is most difficult to win,
with more emphasis on the driver and not that much on the car.
I'll also bet you $10 that Villeneuve will win the F1 crown at his second
attempt.
Neither Shumacher nor Hill managed that !!!
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solh...@online.no
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Gulliver
In article <01bc098e$60c7bcc0$7aafcecd@khufu>,
"Peter Fisla" <ri...@myna.com> wrote:
>
> Roberto Selbach <cl...@malbanet.com.br> wrote in article
> <32e7a2d...@cis.clark.edu>...
> > Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
> > is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
> > car!
> >
> Yeah well..what else is new ?...that's how life goes...but I hope my friend
> Michael
> will get this year "his" "1" back....:)
Surely the least deserving Champion is Piquet's 1983 Championship, because
it is widely believed he won that year with an illegal car.
Or Phil Hill who won in 1961 after his team-mate was killed? Andretti who
won in similar circumstances in 1978? Graham Hill in 1968? How about
Fittipaldi who probably only won in 1972 because of Stewart's ulcer? Or
Rosberg in 1982 - Surely that year should have gone to Pironi or Villeneuve?
I reckon that in fact all the drivers above drove well enough to deserve
a World Championship, as did Damon in 1996. The facts speak for themselves,
Michael Schumacher is a great driver but he is not a superman. When any of
his team mates have had testing time in the car, they instantly get to
within a second of Michael. All this talk of him being worth a second a lap
over any other driver is bullshit.
--
Angus Gulliver
an...@spuddy.mew.co.uk
Also at a.w.r.g...@herts.ac.uk
Question every piece of information that enters your mind...
...and it might grow bigger.
A J Samuels
In article <32ea485...@cis.clark.edu>, Roberto Selbach (cl...@malbanet.com.br) writes:
>Damon Hill is NOT better then Schumacher (as proved this very season
>when Schumacher, with a Ferrari which was really bad, was competitive
>all season.
>
>Brit Kids, forget about Hill. He is a joke. We are always laughing at
>his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
>real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
>
Well, personally I thought they went downhill after 'A Day at the
Races'.
AJ
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In article <32EAEF...@sk.sympatico.ca>, dennis ruddell
<d.ru...@sk.sympatico.ca> writes
>hey! im NOT a brit/kid and still think hill is a great set-up
>man/driver...
>duh! who's the present champ
Hey! I AM a Brit kid and I think Hill is useless!
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Mr Gerard D. Ward
> Damon Hill is NOT better then Schumacher (as proved this very season
> when Schumacher, with a Ferrari which was really bad, was competitive
> all season.
>
> Brit Kids, forget about Hill. He is a joke. We are always laughing at
> his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
> real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
>
>
however, your view on Damon Hill compared to Schumacher shows that you are
not very analytical with any information or misinformation you have.
For a start, damon Hill is QUICKER than Schumacher (By this I mean that the
way he drives his car, his flow, his use of tyres is very smooth.) This
enables him to be the only driver to be on the front row of the grid for
every race.
- This also shows his mental attitude - He is very consistent.
- He does not make stupid mistakes like crashing in Monaco!!
Also Damon is often criticised for overtaking, this season it is interesting
how many times he overtook someone like Alesi (when Villeneuve was directly
behind Hill) - Yet Villeneuve could not overtake Alesi in the same
equipment.
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Liam Casey Redis
S.A....@ncl.ac.uk wrote in article <5ci0oc$i...@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk>...
> cl...@malbanet.com.br (Roberto Selbach) wrote:
> >Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
> >is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
> >car!
>
> Oh yeah and like Michael Andretti was a good driver. What would you lot
> know about good drivers. Nigel Mansell went into Indy Car and stuffed
> you at his first attempt. Don't criticise our drivers until you have a
> decent one yourself.
>
I can't even believe I'd be as stupid as to comment on this. Only been
following the NG for the last few days, so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents
in - I'm expecting change.
First of all, I think that F1 and IndyCar are two entirely different types
of series. I'm not a big Andretti fan by any means, but I don't think he
was given a fair shake in F1. To make my point, I _AM_ a big J. Villeneuve
fan, and I think he did a hell of a job last year. I also think that he
was in the best car, had quite a bit more time to acclimate himself to the
situation, was already more "wordly" than Andretti, so didn't need much to
get used to the kind of F1 lifestyle that could mess with an American's
mind. Andretti surely made mistakes--still does. I think he's a really
agressive driver - sometimes too agressive - and I'm not sure how well that
style of driving works when you sign on w/ a team on it's decline, don't
get much practice time...
I'm less of a Mansell fan. He sort of did the opposite of Andretti - he
went from the best car in F1 to one of, if not the best car in Indy. He
had to get used to oval racing, I'll give him that. Remember, also, that
Michael was _NOT_ at Newman-Haas that season - who knows what he'd have
done if that were the case. And what happened when Mansell returned to F1
in the team that Michael left?? The team "re-designed" the car around
Mansell's frame, and still he couldn't do anything. Where's he now??
I'm not a Damon Hill fan, either. I'd have much preferred if Villeneuve
had shown him up - it would have been a great boon to IndyCar's
credibility. He almost _DID_ pull it off. Schumacher would have been an
even greater story - if there was any doubt that he is the best driver
currently - if not one of or the best ever - his winning the Championship
would surely have proven his extreme superiority. Damon did sort of
deserve his Championship. He came very close the year before - even if it
was only made possible by Schumacher's "misfortunes" - but I think that he
had to have done at least a fairly decent job to have stayed as close as
long as he did. And as much as I like Villeneuve and believe that he is
the better driver, if Villeneuve was exceedinly more talented than Hill, he
should have won the Championship despite the fact that it was his first
season.
It wouldn't be surprising to me if Hill places in the top 4 this season -
maybe without the pressure of living up to the expectations that people
have for a driver in the #1 car, teamed with the acknowledgement that
nobody expects very much from TWR, will allow Hill to show what _TRUE_
talent he has--and maybe that's not any (but I don't really believe that)
Jason W
I smoked a kipper when, Roberto Selbach <cl...@malbanet.com.br> wrote
>Come on! Damon Hill IS the least deserving world champion! Damon Hill
>is a joke of a pilot! And this year we'll see what he can do without a
>car!
I'm not sure about the Joke of a pilot bit but I do agree with the least
deserving bit. I started off wanting Hill to win the championship but as
the season went on I got fed up seeing him make elementary driving
errors. I'm not a race driver and I accept I could not drive any race
car for toffee. So I'm not qualified from a drivers point of view but
any one with half a brain could have avoided the tyres in Italy. He made
to many mistakes and I think Frank Williams was right to let him go.
Villeneuve is a far better racer and I really wished he'd pipped Damon
at the end. It will be interesting to see how Damon does in the Arrows.
He will either prove he IS a great driver or he will show everyone he is
just mediocre.
--
J Wakeling
dennis ruddell
|#300| Mr Knowitall wrote:
>
> >I'm not sure about the Joke of a pilot bit but I do agree with the least
> >deserving bit. I started off wanting Hill to win the championship but as
> >the season went on I got fed up seeing him make elementary driving
> >errors. I'm not a race driver and I accept I could not drive any race
> >car for toffee. So I'm not qualified from a drivers point of view but
> >any one with half a brain could have avoided the tyres in Italy.
> Salo, and Hakkinen.....So that nullifies that point.....only difference was the
> others managed to suffer less damage.....
> As to the least deserving Champion....Try Keke Rosberg....
>
> -=<mr k>=-so he only won once race that year-'82...big deal...i thought the points
system says keke deserved it...gee whiz!!!
Gulliver
In article <5catbk$v...@eolas.ucc.ie>, Toni J wrote:
>
>
> Thank God there is someone else out there who doesn't think DH is God's
> gift to motor racing. I always have and always will hate Damon. Not
> least for the 1994/95 episodes. Those who love him now seem to have
> conveniently forgotten about all that, and how they hated him that
> time....
> You're right. This year we'll see what a *crap* driver he really is. As
> well as seeing Schumie taking the Championship, with JV not far behind.
>
> Don't hate me.
> I just don't like the guy...
I take it you have met the man, to hate him personally.
Care to debate 1994/95 with me?
|#300| Mr Knowitall
Graham Shevlin
Jason W <ja...@gnilekaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm not sure about the Joke of a pilot bit but I do agree with the least
>deserving bit. I started off wanting Hill to win the championship but as
>the season went on I got fed up seeing him make elementary driving
>errors. I'm not a race driver and I accept I could not drive any race
>car for toffee. So I'm not qualified from a drivers point of view but
>any one with half a brain could have avoided the tyres in Italy.
Like Michael Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve did...gosh aren't there
a lot of morons out there driving the best cars...
>He made
>to many mistakes and I think Frank Williams was right to let him go.
And he replaced him with a man whose season highlight consisted of
wiping his front wing out whilst trying an impossible manouevre at
Monaco (if he hadn't done that he would have had a chance to win). Not
exactly a ringing endorsement for infallibility is it?
>Villeneuve is a far better racer and I really wished he'd pipped Damon
>at the end. It will be interesting to see how Damon does in the Arrows.
>He will either prove he IS a great driver or he will show everyone he is
>just mediocre.
Er, is there any grey-scale in your life? Hill may just be very good
(not great, but not mediocre either).
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho
Someone wrote:
> > Damon Hill is NOT better then Schumacher (as proved this very season
> > when Schumacher, with a Ferrari which was really bad, was competitive
> > all season.
On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Mr Gerard D. Ward commented:
> It is impossible to compare the drivers unless they are in equal equipment,
> however, your view on Damon Hill compared to Schumacher shows that you are
> not very analytical with any information or misinformation you have.
I can agree with that. The equipment makes the difference in F1, for sure.
Some speculative remarks can be based on a cross-comparison between the
team mates. For example: Both Hakkinen and Hill were quicker than
Coulthard. Therefore, Senna was quicker than Coulthard, because Senna was
a lot quicker than Hill and marginally quicker than Hakkinen.
An example when cross-comparison is meaningless -- Johnny Herbert didn't
get the same equipment at Benetton as Schumacher did. Similarly, Hakkinen
got left-out parts of Herbert's car at Lotus. Hence, comparison is
meaningless in this case.
In general, I think that this kind of comparisons are mostly made just for
the arguments sake.
> For a start, damon Hill is QUICKER than Schumacher
Oh boy, first you made some sense, but this is a setback... There is no
logical reason to believe that Damon Hill is quicker than Schumacher.
There are some logical reasons to believe the opposite. I'll try to
recover some of the analytics you just flushed down the toilet.
> (By this I mean that the way he drives his car, his flow, his use of
> tyres is very smooth.)
Smoothness does not mean quickness. Example: Prost was super-smooth, but
slower than more entertaining Senna in qualifyings. Mansell was
super-rough, but almost as quick as Prost at Ferrari. Hill was smooth but
slower than Senna or Prost at Williams.
> This enables him to be the only driver to be on the front row of the
> grid for every race.
I repeat the mantra: Williams-Renault enabled him to be the only driver on
the front row in every race. Arrows-Yamaha will not enable him to be the
only driver in front every race. "The way he drivers his car, his flow,
his use of tyres" will not get him to the front row next year -- as, I
believe, they didn't last year either.
(I guess this mantra has been repeated in this ng so often during the last
three years that we are kind of naturally starting to take turns... JBG
apparently got so sick of repeating this that he's gone forever...)
> - This also shows his mental attitude - He is very consistent.
After following F1 for years '94 and '95, I thought that this day would
never come. Namely someone claiming Hill consistent! '94 and '95, Hill was
remarkably inconsistent and his psyche was the weak link of the whole
team! He was like the Allied troops -- intimidated by the legend of the
Fox Rommel in Africa. (Am I sailing to too deep waters?)
Yet, '96 he was consistent and had the right attitude. When Rommel run out
of fuel, the Allied took over the continent...
> - He does not make stupid mistakes like crashing in Monaco!!
A lot of people crashed in Monaco last year. If you refer to Schumacher,
let's compare. Who was the consistent driver '94? How about '95? Who
crashed the others from behind? Who was holding the racing line? It is
unbelievable how many mistakes Hill did '94 and '95.
World-class-Alesi-like-action.
Over the last three years, I only remember Schumacher making two racing
mistakes. First one in '95, in qualifying, I guess. Second one in Monaco.
And he doesn't whine but takes the responsibility for his mistakes
instead.
> Also Damon is often criticised for overtaking, this season it is interesting
> how many times he overtook someone like Alesi (when Villeneuve was directly
> behind Hill) - Yet Villeneuve could not overtake Alesi in the same
> equipment.
I thought that Villeneuve was known for his overtaking manouvers...
...in summary, I think that Hill is a very good qualifier and he's race
performances have been improving steadily. Yet, IMO, he's no Michael
Schumacher.
Tuomo
Mario
>any one with half a brain could have avoided the tyres in Italy.
so half of the field has less than half a brain? i do admit that it
was a stupid mistake, considering how comfortable his lead walready
was at this early stage of the race. But hey, schumacher (Mr. Best
Racer Ever) hit the tires too, so what?
Ian Howell
In article <6WQ7y4DY...@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, an...@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Gulliver) writes:
>
>Surely the least deserving Champion is Piquet's 1983 Championship, because
>it is widely believed he won that year with an illegal car.
Rubbish.
No one ever said that. You're making it up.
Ian
W.J.G...@ncl.ac.uk
"Eric Ehlers" <ejeh...@msn.com> wrote:
:Erwin Kooij <Erwin...@phil.ruu.nl> wrote in article
:<Erwin.Kooij-27...@studs03.mac.stud.phil.ruu.nl>...
:>
:> I agree that Hill didn't really deserve the title however. There are
:> explinations possible for his *massive* lead in points. A few that
:come
:to
:> mind are:
:> - Villeneuve's oil pressure in Melbourne
:> - Berger's engine in Hockenheim
:That's Racing !!!!
:> - Villeneuve's tire in Suzuka
:That's Racing !!!!!!
:>
:> With those facts in mind, Hill should have 8 points less, and
:> should have at least 8 points more. That brings the difference down to
:3
:> points. That is quite ashaming for a F1 ace (2 times runner-up for the
:> title) vs. a rookie like Villeneuve.
How about:-
Hill's engine failure in Monaco, without which he would have had the
title wrapped up after Monza despite hitting those tyres since he would
have been 23 points ahead, not 13. Also, his wheel failure at
Silverstone almost certainly cost him third place there. That cancels
out Villeneuve's mechanical problems (might I also add Villeneuve's
Melbourne oil problem being caused by his own fault, running over the
grass at turn 1). Quite apart from which, Hill won half of last year's
races hands down, including the decisive one at Suzuka. Name a more
deserving champion in '96, I bet you can't.
JOHN
horacehicks
A J Samuels wrote:
>
>
> In article <32ea485...@cis.clark.edu>, Roberto Selbach (cl...@malbanet.com.br) writes:
>
> >when Schumacher, with a Ferrari which was really bad, was competitive
> >all season.
> >
> >his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
> >real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
> >
>
> Races'.
>
> AJ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> AAA JJJJJJJJ ajsa...@dolomite.win-uk.net
> AA AA JJ "It's not a question of whose habitat it is,
> AAAAAAA JJ JJ it's a question of how fast you hit it!"
> AA AA JJJJJ (Arthur Dent)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
What about the other Hill in '61??
Hayashi Masayoshi
Jason W (ja...@gnilekaw.demon.co.uk) wrote:
:
: [Hill] made too many mistakes and I think Frank Williams was right to
^^^^^^^^
: let him go. Villeneuve is a far better racer and I really wished he'd
^^^^^^^^^^
: pipped Damon at the end.
OK, would you please list the mistakes Hill made last season and count how
many they were? Also, would you list the mistakes JVill made and tell me
how many they were? And ask yourself what makes you think that Hill made
"too many mistakes" while JVill is a "far better racer"?
I am really interested in knowing your logic.
Thanks in advance.
MH
David Cunliffe
ajsa...@dolomite.win-uk.net (A J Samuels) wrote:
>
>In article <32ea485...@cis.clark.edu>, Roberto Selbach (cl...@malbanet.com.br) writes:
>
>>Brit Kids, forget about Hill. He is a joke. We are always laughing at
>>his stupid mistakes during the races. C'mon, start trying to find a
>>real pilot for you British Queen fans to cheer for.
>>
>
>Well, personally I thought they went downhill after 'A Day at the
>Races'.
Duck Soup was their funniest...
David
Nicol Simard
>Jason W (ja...@gnilekaw.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>Thanks in advance.
Know what gets to me? Neither JV nor DH ever put the other one down, saying
the other one is not a good driver, that the other one was shit. After
Suzuka, JV did not say a single bad word against DH. He showed respect and
has been saying all along that DH does deserve his championship.
Now, if those two could get along, why can't their fans do so? Damon won the
championship. Why? Because he drove better and made less mistakes than
Jacques. Does that mean that he's a better racer than Jacques? Not
necessarily. Jacques is younger, it was his first year in F1, the team was
not truly willing to let him get his ways with car setups until after his
first victory, etc.
Damon won the championship because he had the best car and was certainly good
enough to use it to gain the championship. He made less mistakes than his
team mate. He got the championship. Why can't people just let it be?
Instead of coming up with stupid arguments full of "what ifs", etc. let's just
have fun and enjoy ourselves until the next season starts.
Boy, I've had enough of this stupid thread!
Nicol
JA Culhane
Damon has won nearly 1/3 of all the races he has ever competed it. I
don't give a rat's behind how good his car might have been - that is a
phenominal statistic. Nuvolari, Fangio, Stewart, Clark, Prost and Senna
all had the best cars on the track too and noboday hints that they wern't
great drivers.
Erwin Kooij
(Graham Shevlin ) wrote:
> Er, is there any grey-scale in your life? Hill may just be very good
> (not great, but not mediocre either).
You mean the kind of driver you immediately fire in Grand Prix Manager 2,
because he's not good enough and costs a fortune?
Ed
Erwin Kooij
> For a start, damon Hill is QUICKER than Schumacher
(snip)
> - He does not make stupid mistakes like crashing in Monaco!!
No, Hill only makes SMART mistakes, like spinning three times in eleven
laps in Barcelona and spinning while in the lead in Italy.
Ed
Erwin Kooij
> After following F1 for years '94 and '95, I thought that this day would
> never come. Namely someone claiming Hill consistent! '94 and '95, Hill was
> remarkably inconsistent and his psyche was the weak link of the whole
> team! He was like the Allied troops -- intimidated by the legend of the
> Fox Rommel in Africa. (Am I sailing to too deep waters?)
Au contrare, my friend. Although it might not be completely politically
correct to compare Schumacher to a nazi-general, the simily between the
German strategical mastermind with the incredible reputation vs. the
insecure allies is absolutely brilliant!
> Yet, '96 he was consistent and had the right attitude. When Rommel run out
> of fuel, the Allied took over the continent...
A sad end for a mighty soldier. But as for the history-books, probably a
very happy end after all. No matter how bad Damon sucks (IMHO), no one
wants to see the same guy becoming champ year after year after year
after...
Ed.
Erwin Kooij
In article <19970130025...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
jacu...@aol.com (JA Culhane) wrote:
Except that Senna (maybe Prost and the others too) could also win races
when they were NOT in the best car... so let's see how Hill's gonna do
this year!
Ed
Erwin Kooij
> Now, if [JV and DH] could get along, why can't their fans do so?
Because, if I remeber correctly, "fan" is short for "fanatic". That means
that any fan of a driver (for what reason ever), is bound to say that
other drivers, who do not have the characterships of their idol, suck.
Since DH and JV have hardly anything in common (JV having the talent and
the agressive driving style, DH having ... (blanc, now I remember why I'm
not a Hill fan :) )), I think it is very hard for their fans to get along.
I think this threat is not a waste of time, since most of us enjoy reading
and writing about our favourite sport. And we have a platform to cheer for
our idols, off the track and in the off-season. Just let's try to keep it
F1-related and keep from name-calling.
Ed
jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie
In article <5cfubh$2...@news1.saix.net>, uni...@igubu.saix.net says...
>
>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
>whole hill things smells.
>
>Murry Walker and the other people could not wait for the "GERMAN" to
>make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
>matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
>cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
>like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
Well said. Murray Walker, for all his 'entertainment', is so
unbelievably biased. You are so right - DH *ALWAYS* , I repeat *ALWAYS*
had "something wrong with his car" - according to MW. Never the driver.
Always the car. And the tyres. And the road conditions (remember bad
starts being because he started on the 'dirty side of the track' etc.).
And the weather. But no, poor Damon could never do anything wrong. AND
WE HAD TO/WILL *STILL* HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
I hate DH .
finito
jordana
****SCHUMIE FOR '97 WC *****
Francois
Actually they were "unofficially" accused to use an illegal fuel.
---
Francois
W.J.G...@ncl.ac.uk
jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie wrote:
:In article <5cfubh$2...@news1.saix.net>, uni...@igubu.saix.net says...
:
This is the biggest pile of bullshit I have EVER read in my life. Hitler
told more accurate truths than this shite. Murray Walker is a very
balanced commentator and justly had a go at Damon Hill in late '95 when
he kept screwing up. Indeed, when he spun at Suzuka that year both him
and Jonathan Palmer assumed it to be a silly driver error - only when
Blundell spun at the same point did anyone think that the track might be
oily (I'm not defending Hill here, it was still a silly mistake).
Couldn't wait for the German to make a mistake, eh? The same
commentator who described Schumacher's Barcelona victory as one of
the greatest he had ever seen. Anti-German, eh? No, you're just a
couple of extremely sad xenophobes. Both of these writers accuse others
of bias when it's obvious that they are blinkered Schumacher fans unable
to come to terms with the fact that his main rival has actually won the
title and have no psychological alternative but to dig in even harder in
their militant anti-Hill stance. Their pride obviously means so much
to them. What the f*** is Damon Hill's "sick promotions campaign"
anyway? Is he promoting cosmetic tests on animals or something? No he
bloody well isn't. Starting on the dirty side of track? Well, it's a
bit of a lame excuse but certainly at the Hungaroring every driver who
started on the right fell back behind those to the left. I really
thought we'd left all this "Hill can't drive for shit" bollocks behind.
So what if he had the best car? Piquet, Mansell, Senna and Prost all had
the best cars when they won their titles or has that now mysteriously
slipped your blinkered minds as well?
JOHN
ric zito
<W.J.G...@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
> jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie wrote:
> :In article <5cfubh$2...@news1.saix.net>, uni...@igubu.saix.net says...
> :>
> :
> :>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
> :>whole hill things smells.
> :>
> :>Murry Walker and the other people could not wait for the "GERMAN" to
> :>make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
> :>matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
> :>cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
> :>like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
<SNIP>
> But no, poor Damon could never do anything wrong. AND
> :WE HAD TO/WILL *STILL* HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
> :
> :I hate DH .
<SNIP>
> :
> :****SCHUMIE FOR '97 WC *****
> :
> This is the biggest pile of bullshit I have EVER read in my life. Hitler
> told more accurate truths than this shite.
<SNIP>
> I really
> thought we'd left all this "Hill can't drive for shit" bollocks behind.
> So what if he had the best car? Piquet, Mansell, Senna and Prost all had
> the best cars when they won their titles or has that now mysteriously
> slipped your blinkered minds as well?
>
> JOHN
WELL SAID!
NOW ENOUGH OF THIS STUPID THREAD.
--
From: Ric Zito
Andrew Banks
In article <5cq9p7$c...@eolas.ucc.ie>, jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie says:
>
>In article <5cfubh$2...@news1.saix.net>, uni...@igubu.saix.net says...
>>
>
>>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
>>whole hill things smells.
>>
>>Murry Walker and the other people could not wait for the "GERMAN" to
>>make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
>>matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
>>cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
>>like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
>
>unbelievably biased. You are so right - DH *ALWAYS* , I repeat *ALWAYS*
>had "something wrong with his car" - according to MW. Never the driver.
>Always the car. And the tyres. And the road conditions (remember bad
>starts being because he started on the 'dirty side of the track' etc.).
>
>I hate DH .
>
>
>jordana
>
>****SCHUMIE FOR '97 WC *****
>
>
He is a twat
DRIESSEN Michel
Nicol Simard <fr...@spectranet.ca> schreef in artikel
<1778.696...@spectranet.ca>...
I couldn't agree more : the facts are the facts.
How many F1 racing drivers wouldn't have become World Champions, if ......
For instance :
- If Niki Lauda hadn't had his accident in 1976, James Hunt ........
- If Ronnie Peterson hadn't commit himself in 1978 to be the second driver
at Lotus's, Mario Andretti ......
- If Alain Prost hadn't had that many retirements in 1981, Nelson Piquet
.....
- If Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve hadn't had their accidents in
1982, Keke Rosberg .....
- If the Monaco Grand Prix 1984 had gone till the normal end, Niki Lauda
.....
- If Nigel Mansell hadn't had his blown tire in Australia 1986, Alain Prost
.....
- If Nigel Mansell hadn't lost his weel in Hungary 1987, Nelson Piquet
......
- If all the results had counted in 1988, Ayrton Senna .......
- If Nigel Mansell hadn't had an electrical problem in Belgium 1991 and if
he hadn't had his dreathful pitstop in Portugal 1991, Ayrton Senna ......
- If Michael Schumacher hadn't damaged Damon Hill's car in Australia 1994,
Michael Schumacher .....
.........
But, what has happened, has happened. And I think that every world
champion, no matter what his name is, deserved to win the title.
A good driver needs a good car, a good team, good sponsors ..., to succeed.
Michel Driessen
Genk (Belgium)
Email : michel....@skynet.be
LEW WIEGAND
Ditto!...
Lew
P.S. (item of interest)Here in New Jersey, the paint on my shed door
is peeling nicely.
--
Lew Wiegand
LW4...@monmouth.com
Geoffrey Webber
In article <5cq9p7$c...@eolas.ucc.ie>, jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie writes
(snip)
>
>Well said. Murray Walker, for all his 'entertainment', is so
>unbelievably biased. You are so right - DH *ALWAYS* , I repeat *ALWAYS*
>had "something wrong with his car" - according to MW. Never the driver.
>Always the car. And the tyres. And the road conditions (remember bad
>starts being because he started on the 'dirty side of the track' etc.).
>And the weather. But no, poor Damon could never do anything wrong. AND
>WE HAD TO/WILL *STILL* HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
>
>I hate DH .
>
>finito
You rant and rave about how biased The Great Murray is, and then openly
admit to hating Damon. Are your comments not at all tainted?
I hate brazen faced hypocrites!
--
Geoff Webber If I laugh at any mortal thing, it is that I
may not weep.
- Byron
Damian Carr
<SNIP>
> make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
> matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
> cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
> like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
>
>
> PS. Flame me if you like. This is one of about 35 addresses that I
> have.
Last season I got to point where I would turn the sound off so I couldn't
listen to the crap that Walker and Palmer were dribbling. Hill this and
Hill that, poor Hill etc etc..
I'm sick of hearing about Hill and his father while Walker keeps calling
Villeneuve Gilles!! Everytime Hill went off it was the cars fault because
Hill can't do anything wrong in their eyes. You shouldn't have to sit down
and watch a race that has completely one-sided commentary. My problem isn't
with Hill as such, more with the pro-Hill brigade that we have to listen to
every bloody race.
Damian.
Karl Thoroddsen
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho <ptvu...@gsbphd5.uchicago.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SUN.3.95.970128...@gsbphd5.uchicago.edu>...
>
>
> Over the last three years, I only remember Schumacher making two racing
> mistakes. First one in '95, in qualifying, I guess. Second one in Monaco.
> And he doesn't whine but takes the responsibility for his mistakes
> instead.
Let me refresh your memory Tuomo,
Schumachers' racing mistakes(qualifying not counted) in '94, '95 and '96:
Spa '94
Adelaide '94
Imola '95
Spa '95 (debatable)
Monaco '96
Monza '96 (Lucky break!)
Should we count Hakkinen's mistakes for comparison?
wpjordan
An...@metnov1.bham.ac.uk (Andrew Banks) wrote:
>In article <5cq9p7$c...@eolas.ucc.ie>, jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie says:
>>
>>In article <5cfubh$2...@news1.saix.net>, uni...@igubu.saix.net says...
>>>
>>
>>>I dont know why the other guy hates him, but I detest him aswell. The
>>>whole hill things smells.
>>>
>>>make a mistake, but HILL and HIS GOD LIKE FATHER deserved better. No
>>>matter what Hill did, he was always the poor underdog. The damm sissy
>>>cant even figth his own sick promotions campaign. He needs arseholes
>>>like walker and others on the net to do it for him.
>>
>>unbelievably biased. You are so right - DH *ALWAYS* , I repeat *ALWAYS*
>>had "something wrong with his car" - according to MW. Never the driver.
>>Always the car. And the tyres. And the road conditions (remember bad
>>starts being because he started on the 'dirty side of the track' etc.).
>>And the weather. But no, poor Damon could never do anything wrong. AND
>>WE HAD TO/WILL *STILL* HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
>>
>>I hate DH .
>>
>>finito
>>
>>
>>****SCHUMIE FOR '97 WC *****
>>
>>
>And I hate "schumie"
>
>He is a twat
hey -
we're all entitled to our opinion,
but someone should have pity on all those non-DH fans who had to put up
with a lot last year.....
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho
On 1 Feb 1997, Karl Thoroddsen wrote:
> Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho <ptvu...@gsbphd5.uchicago.edu> wrote in article
> >
> > Over the last three years, I only remember Schumacher making two racing
> > mistakes. First one in '95, in qualifying, I guess. Second one in Monaco.
> > And he doesn't whine but takes the responsibility for his mistakes
> > instead.
>
> Schumachers' racing mistakes(qualifying not counted) in '94, '95 and '96:
>
> Spa '94
> Adelaide '94
> Imola '95
> Spa '95 (debatable)
> Monaco '96
> Monza '96 (Lucky break!)
>
> Should we count Hakkinen's mistakes for comparison?
Yup, 6 -- still not a lot. Adelaide was a mistake, for sure. If you want
to count Hakkinen's mistakes in '94 and '95, we have to extend our number
system to countable infinity for '94 only...
Tuomo
Gulliver
In article <5cn8u9$8...@lonweb1.lehman.com>,
iho...@lehman.com (Ian Howell) wrote:
> In article <6WQ7y4DY...@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, an...@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Gulliver) writes:
> >
> >Surely the least deserving Champion is Piquet's 1983 Championship, because
> >it is widely believed he won that year with an illegal car.
>
> Rubbish.
> No one ever said that. You're making it up.
And just how long have you been interested in F1?
Plenty of people have said it - try reading Autosport occasionally.
--
Angus Gulliver
an...@spuddy.mew.co.uk
Also at a.w.r.g...@herts.ac.uk
Question every piece of information that enters your mind...
...and it might grow bigger.
Andrew Watson
Andrew Banks <An...@metnov1.bham.ac.uk> wrote in article
<5ct5ef$g...@usenet.bham.ac.uk>...
> And I hate "schumie"
>
> He is a twat
>
Worse than that he's a boring.
Senna was the least deserving world champion ever when he ran Prost off
the track deliberately, endagering his life, just to win the championship.
Kris Heber
> In article <6WQ7y4DY...@spuddy.mew.co.uk>,
an...@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Gulliver) writes:
> >
> >Surely the least deserving Champion is Piquet's 1983
Championship, because
> >it is widely believed he won that year with an illegal car.
>
world. They could be accused of being more biased than Walker.
Anyway, the only thing I've ever heard of the Brabham, was that
BMW found some extra horsepower for the last few races and
enabled to pull out the title. An unfair advantage maybe, but
not illegal.
Kris
--
Kris Heber
Troy, MI
Mike Fisher
Erwin Kooij <Erwin...@phil.ruu.nl> wrote in article
<Erwin.Kooij-30...@tiny07.mac.stud.phil.ruu.nl>...
Really ?
Spinning three times in Barecelona can be attributed to Williams persuading
Hill to go out on a dry setup, in the hope that the rain would stop.
And even the great Schumi managed to hit those tyres in Monza - he himself
said he was lucky to stay on the black stuff.
All drivers make mistakes - think about it.
Mike Fisher - F1 anorak
--------------------------------
Go Damon !
Show 'em in an Arrows !
--------------------------------
Bob Ellsmore
jor...@csnovell.ucc.ie wrote:
>Well said. Murray Walker, for all his 'entertainment', is so
>unbelievably biased. You are so right - DH *ALWAYS* , I repeat *ALWAYS*
>had "something wrong with his car" - according to MW. Never the driver.
>Always the car. And the tyres. And the road conditions (remember bad
>starts being because he started on the 'dirty side of the track' etc.).
>And the weather. But no, poor Damon could never do anything wrong. AND
>WE HAD TO/WILL *STILL* HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
>
>I hate DH .
>
>finito
>
>jordana
>
>****SCHUMIE FOR '97 WC *****
>
>
If you actually listened properly to Murray, you would realise that he
NEVER says anything derogatory about ANY driver. Whenever James or JP
started slagging a driver off, Murray ALWAYS repeat ALWAYS could find
something nice to say. Gentlemen of Murray's era don't slag other
people off - period.
In respect of DH - of course he favours him. He's known him since he
was a baby. I believe he's Damon's Godfather (can anyone confirm
this?)
Bob Ellsmore
Erwin Kooij
> Senna was the least deserving world champion ever when he ran Prost off
> the track deliberately, endagering his life, just to win the championship.
Please read some other threads too, some time. We've already discussed
this incident... and come to the conclusion that it had nothing to do with
the WC whatsoever.
I also dislike the "endangering his life" bit. That was in an era that
nobody even considered being killed during a race, in a 200 km/h turn with
a run-off area the size of Spain.
Besides, if it was so scary, why didn't Prost just let Senna through
instead of steering into him?
Just stating my opinion.
Ed
Erwin Kooij
"Mike Fisher" wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > No, Hill only makes SMART mistakes, like spinning three times in eleven
> > laps in Barcelona and spinning while in the lead in Italy.
> Really ?
>
> Spinning three times in Barecelona can be attributed to Williams persuading
> Hill to go out on a dry setup, in the hope that the rain would stop.
>
> And even the great Schumi managed to hit those tyres in Monza - he himself
> said he was lucky to stay on the black stuff.
>
> All drivers make mistakes - think about it.
That was my point exactly. All drivers make mistakes. In my opinion, there
are no smart or stupid mistakes (sorry I forgot to put ":)" at the end of
my sentance, I thought it would be evident I was being ironic)
But really, I thought Hill himself chose a semi-dry setup in Spain, like
he did in Brazil, because it worked so well there. Actually, I think I
have seen some footage or read some article in which Hill said this
himself?
Could be wrong, though, Hill's not really my #1 interest. :(
Ed