Eddie Irvine - British?
Jon B
anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
- that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
clearly from the Irish Republic?
Also, I'm just about to try and find a fantasy F1 website. Yes, I know
I'm late, but hopefully I will be able to join at least somewhere.
Does anyone have any reccomendations for favourite sites?
Tom Cosgrave
Jon B wrote in message <36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
>Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>clearly from the Irish Republic?
He's from Ulster.
What made ye think otherwise?
he used to use a tricolour but some pro-British terrorists
threatened his family if he didn't stop using it.
Tom
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meantime at least, part of the UK.
Jon B wrote in message <36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
>Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
>anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
>discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
>- that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
>Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>clearly from the Irish Republic?
>
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>>clearly from the Irish Republic?
>
>
>What made ye think otherwise?
>
>he used to use a tricolour but some pro-British terrorists
>threatened his family if he didn't stop using it.
Because he has an Irish racing liscence, the FIA displayed the (spit)
tricolor.
Ford Prefect
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for the
>meantime at least, part of the UK.
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
I think.
-joe-
Peter Bowman
Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
mmcdon
<36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
> Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
> anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
> discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
> - that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
> clearly from the Irish Republic?
No he's from Northern Ireland, but lives in the Republic (and Monaco) IIRC.
He also drives under a licensce from the South.
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cahill
mmcdon
<rlwE2.757$1O5...@news.indigo.ie>...
> >clearly from the Irish Republic?
>
>
> What made ye think otherwise?
Well yes, but there is nothing to stop someone being from Ulster and the
Republic. After all, a third of Ulster is on that side of the border.
He's from Northern Ireland. "Ulster" is only used by the DUP, the British
Army and some British broadcasters. It's a bit like saying "the province"
or "the 6 counties" in that it betrays a certain bias (not that I'm
accusing you of having such a bias).
> he used to use a tricolour but some pro-British terrorists
> threatened his family if he didn't stop using it.
Charming folks.
Peter Bowman
mmcdon wrote in message <01be68a9$7fd24140$6793cbc1@default>...
>Tom Cosgrave <t...@indigo.ie> wrote in article
><rlwE2.757$1O5...@news.indigo.ie>...
>>
>> Jon B wrote in message <36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
>> >Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>> >clearly from the Irish Republic?
>>
>>
>> He's from Ulster.
>> What made ye think otherwise?
>
>Well yes, but there is nothing to stop someone being from Ulster and the
>Republic. After all, a third of Ulster is on that side of the border.
>
>He's from Northern Ireland. "Ulster" is only used by the DUP, the British
>Army and some British broadcasters. It's a bit like saying "the province"
>or "the 6 counties" in that it betrays a certain bias (not that I'm
>accusing you of having such a bias).
>
He is from British Northern Ireland
>> he used to use a tricolour but some pro-British terrorists
>> threatened his family if he didn't stop using it.
>
He was forced to display a tricolor by the FIA because he has an irish
racing liscence
>Charming folks.
Im sure the provies arent much better.
Senna
flag, but someone told that he is British and there "suggested" that they
should put British flag next time.
I don't know who it was, who made "suggestion (thread)"
Jon B wrote in message <36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
>Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
>anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
>discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
>- that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
>Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>clearly from the Irish Republic?
>
Peter Bowman
originally from Northern Ireland.
Senna wrote in message <7bu5c1$57t$1...@as102.tel.hr>...
Tom Cosgrave
>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
Well, he's right.
As muich as I dislike it Eddie is British.
Not that he really cares - I just find it sad that he was forced not to use
the flag he always raced with - the tricolour. I just wish people would call
him British, instead of Irish - it sucks.
Or Ulsterman, or Northern Irishman.
Personally I'm happy - he's the second ever person from the island to win a
race, John Watson being first.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu3uv$2u6$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>Because he has an Irish racing liscence, the FIA displayed the (spit)
>tricolor.
He had to get a British one I believe.
Eddie asked the FIA to have a neutral flag, but they said no.
Ford Prefect
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:54:15 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for
>the
>>>meantime at least, part of the UK.
>>
>>Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>>
>Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
Why people should car so much about a small patch of land they want to
blow each other up?
You're right, I will never understand.
-joe-
Ford Prefect
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>Yes, he has an Irish racing liscence but is officially British ie.
>originally from Northern Ireland.
And he wasn't threatened?
-joe-
Tom Cosgrave
mmcdon wrote in message <01be68a9$7fd24140$6793cbc1@default>...
>
>Republic. After all, a third of Ulster is on that side of the border.
Oh yeah :-)
>He's from Northern Ireland. "Ulster" is only used by the DUP, the British
>Army and some British broadcasters. It's a bit like saying "the province"
>or "the 6 counties" in that it betrays a certain bias (not that I'm
>accusing you of having such a bias).
Eh, we use it down here in Dublin!
My family are from nationalist Belfast - they use it too :-)
>Charming folks.
Absolutely. They murdered my cousin too.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu4td$3ks$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>Im sure the provies arent much better.
Of course they're not. They can all burn in hell.
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu3uv$2u6$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>
>>Because he has an Irish racing liscence, the FIA displayed the (spit)
>>tricolor.
>
>
>He had to get a British one I believe.
>Eddie asked the FIA to have a neutral flag, but they said no.
>
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>Well yes, but there is nothing to stop someone being from Ulster and the
>>Republic. After all, a third of Ulster is on that side of the border.
>
>
>Oh yeah :-)
>
Ulster is a general term for Northern Ireland
>>He's from Northern Ireland. "Ulster" is only used by the DUP, the British
>>Army and some British broadcasters. It's a bit like saying "the province"
>>or "the 6 counties" in that it betrays a certain bias (not that I'm
>>accusing you of having such a bias).
>
>Eh, we use it down here in Dublin!
> My family are from nationalist Belfast - they use it too :-)
>
So now we know which side of the fence you sit on
>>Charming folks.
>
>
>Absolutely. They murdered my cousin too.
>
The IRA has done a lot more murdering. C/F Omagh, the troubles' biggest
atrocity
Peter Bowman
Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e2a2dc...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:59:25 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for
>>the
>>>>meantime at least, part of the UK.
>>>
>>>Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>>>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>>>
>>Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
>
>Why people should car so much about a small patch of land they want to
>blow each other up?
>
>You're right, I will never understand.
>
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu93q$6ur$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>Because the neutral flag isn't actually a valid international flag.
Yep, that's it.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu984$72n$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>So now we know which side of the fence you sit on
My grandfather co-founded SDLP with Fitt et al.
I do not support violence in anyway.
>The IRA has done a lot more murdering. C/F Omagh, the troubles' biggest
>atrocity
That was the Real IRA, and yes, I knew about 20 of the dead, plus wounded.
Like I say, they can all rot in hell.
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu93q$6ur$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>Because the neutral flag isn't actually a valid international flag.
>
>
>Yep, that's it.
>
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>So now we know which side of the fence you sit on
>
>
>My grandfather co-founded SDLP with Fitt et al.
>I do not support violence in anyway.
>
LET YOU DO THAT.
>>The IRA has done a lot more murdering. C/F Omagh, the troubles' biggest
>>atrocity
>
>
>That was the Real IRA, and yes, I knew about 20 of the dead, plus wounded.
>Like I say, they can all rot in hell.
>
WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
Harry Merrick
> Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:54:15 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
> ><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for
> the
> >>meantime at least, part of the UK.
> >
> >Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
> >demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
> >
> Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
Eddie Irvine is indeed British, he has indeed got a British Passport, he was
as stated born in Conlig, Co. Down, which is in Northern Ireland and which is,
still, British.
He does live, however, in Dublin. Dalkey, I rather think, not too far from my
second abode!
--
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Peter Bowman
WE'VE GOT THE DREAMERS DISEASE"
Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29f42...@news.demon.co.uk>...
del boy
uk????billy wright(from staffordshire0to name just one.you cannot have it
both ways,although-i suppose-you would want to!
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Harry Merrick
> YES BUT HE IS A BRITISH NATIONAL
>
> H
..........."SNIP".........
Yes, I just said that!! LOL!
karl brophy
of doors down from Damon Hill. He is, in fact, from Northern Ireland.
This does not make him British either as the UK stands for the United
Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
So, technically they were right to display the Union flag but wrong to
describe him as British. Ho hum, doesn't really matter what flag they fly I
don't think anybody will ever deny him to be 100 pc Irish.
Should be interesting if Jordan win a race again this year. EJ was angry
that they played God Save the Queen at Spa last year. Apparently they
didn't have the Irish national anthem on tape so he made them promise to get
it for all the tracks.
Senna
something was going on after that race, i know i remember that :-)
Jasper
>
> Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
> anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
> discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
> - that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
> Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
> clearly from the Irish Republic?
Hmm, Eddie clearly from the ROI?.. He's from Conlig, which is Co. Down,
Northern Ireland, part of the UK..
He lives is Dublin, but then so does Damon Hill..
Anyone else notice EJ nearly calling Eddie a f**ker on live TV. He jsut
about held his tongue..
Jasper
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7buaag$7v9$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
So what does it make eddie for requesting neither be shown?
I'm sorry I ticked this guy off folks, clearly a god fearing loyalist.
And I won't rise to your political trolling.
niko Solitander
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>
I'm sure you're not just trying to be an asshole, but cut the caps.
Your message won't go through any faster or more fluent.
niko
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niko Solitander
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>SDLP WHERE PLANNING TO JOIN WITH S/F TO DRIVE THE PROTESTANTS OUT. WE WONT
>LET YOU DO THAT.
>WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
I'm sure you're not just trying to be an asshole, but cut the caps.
Your ideological non f1 related values & doctrines won't go through
Peter Bowman
>> >On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:54:15 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>> ><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly ,
for
>> the
>> >>meantime at least, part of the UK.
>> >
>> >Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>> >demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>> >
>> Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
>
>Eddie Irvine is indeed British, he has indeed got a British Passport, he
was
>as stated born in Conlig, Co. Down, which is in Northern Ireland and which
is,
>still, British.
>
> He does live, however, in Dublin. Dalkey, I rather think, not too far from
my
>second abode!
SO DOES DAMON HILL, AND HE'S BRITISH ALSO.
Peter Bowman
niko Solitander wrote in message <36e2c5f4...@news.inet.fi>...
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>
>
YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE ROUND HERE "NIKO" .
Peter Bowman
niko Solitander wrote in message <36e2c722...@news.inet.fi>...
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:48:23 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>SDLP WHERE PLANNING TO JOIN WITH S/F TO DRIVE THE PROTESTANTS OUT. WE WONT
>>LET YOU DO THAT.
>
>>WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
>
>any faster or more fluent.
>
>
TODAY, AND WHEN I PUT CAPS LOCK ON, I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO READ IT, I
DON'T WANT ANY INTERFERENCE, AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FUCCIN SPEAK.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7buhif$d1s$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>"NIKO", I HAVE TOLD YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I OWN THIS NEWSGROUP HERE
>TODAY, AND WHEN I PUT CAPS LOCK ON, I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO READ IT, I
>DON'T WANT ANY INTERFERENCE, AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FUCCIN SPEAK.
Are you Iain Paisley then?! :-)
NNNOOO SHURRENDAAAR ;-)
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>"NIKO", I HAVE TOLD YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I OWN THIS NEWSGROUP HERE
>>TODAY, AND WHEN I PUT CAPS LOCK ON, I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO READ IT, I
>>DON'T WANT ANY INTERFERENCE, AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FUCCIN SPEAK.
>
>
>Are you Iain Paisley then?! :-)
>
>NNNOOO SHURRENDAAAR ;-)
NOT AN INCH. NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!!
>
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, niko Solitander wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
> <Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
> >
> I'm sure you're not just trying to be an asshole, but cut the caps.
> Your message won't go through any faster or more fluent.
Ford Prefect
wrote:
Ralf, however, wasn't always so restrained. <g>
>Jasper
-joe-
Brendan Heading
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> writes
>He is from British Northern Ireland
I'm from Northern Ireland. I'm Irish. I'm not a nationalist.
--
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*He was forced to display a tricolor by the FIA because he has an irish racing liscence
And I guess the FIA forced his mechanics to wave the tricolor too?
RdM
Peter Bowman
Brendan Heading wrote in message ...
>>He is from British Northern Ireland
>
>I'm from Northern Ireland. I'm Irish. I'm not a nationalist.
>
Peter Bowman
Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho wrote in message ...
Peter Bowman
Rupbert The Bear wrote in message ...
>In article <7bu4td$3ks$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Bowman"
Robert L Connor
Peter O' Bowman wrote in message <7buhif$d1s$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>SDLP WHERE PLANNING TO JOIN WITH S/F TO DRIVE THE PROTESTANTS OUT. WE
WONT
>>>LET YOU DO THAT.
>>
>>>WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
>>
>>any faster or more fluent.
>>
>>
>TODAY, AND WHEN I PUT CAPS LOCK ON, I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO READ IT, I
>DON'T WANT ANY INTERFERENCE, AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FUCCIN SPEAK.
Let's face it, the Protestants in Northern Ireland of Scottish descent have
no Celtic pride. They are just sellouts to the English just like the Scots
were after Robert the Bruce's era. You're a fucking second class citizen of
the UK and you'll never be more than that in the eyes of the English. Even
Americans of six-county descent still consider themselves to be of Irish
descent you prick bastard!!!!! FUCK KINGS AND QUEENS AND ALL THE
LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RC
>
Brendan Heading
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> writes
>>>He is from British Northern Ireland
>>
>>I'm from Northern Ireland. I'm Irish. I'm not a nationalist.
>>
>Then you're British
Say there was a united Ireland tomorrow (I know there won't be, but
imagine there is). Does that mean you'll suddenly be Irish ?
Dab
Ron
>Don't let this dumbfuck troll suck you all in, boys and girls.
>
>
why? what are you saying?
--
Ron
Paulo Costa
Peter Bowman <Bung...@Hotmail.com> escreveu no artigo
<7buaag$7v9$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
What if changes his nationality?
--
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paul
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> writes
>
>niko Solitander wrote in message <36e2c722...@news.inet.fi>...
>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:48:23 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>SDLP WHERE PLANNING TO JOIN WITH S/F TO DRIVE THE PROTESTANTS OUT. WE WONT
>>>LET YOU DO THAT.
>>
>>>WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
>>
>>I'm sure you're not just trying to be an asshole, but cut the caps.
>>Your ideological non f1 related values & doctrines won't go through
>>any faster or more fluent.
>>
>>
>"NIKO", I HAVE TOLD YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I OWN THIS NEWSGROUP HERE
>TODAY, AND WHEN I PUT CAPS LOCK ON, I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO READ IT, I
>DON'T WANT ANY INTERFERENCE, AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FUCCIN SPEAK.
>
>
*plonk*
--
Paul B
Go Johnny Go
Ron
<pa...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Congratulations, I now have a fourth for my killfile>
>
>*plonk*
plonker??
--
Ron
Tim Cunnings
really worried because they showed the other flag (sorry, not Irish or
British, so they are all a puzzle to me!), whatever its called. I think it
was actually Murray or someone that noted he was using the Union Jack
instead.
Michael Boland
>Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>>
>>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7bu984$72n$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>>
>>>So now we know which side of the fence you sit on
>>
>>
>>My grandfather co-founded SDLP with Fitt et al.
>>I do not support violence in anyway.
>>
>SDLP WHERE PLANNING TO JOIN WITH S/F TO DRIVE THE PROTESTANTS OUT. WE WONT
>LET YOU DO THAT.
>>>The IRA has done a lot more murdering. C/F Omagh, the troubles' biggest
>>>atrocity
>>
>>
>>That was the Real IRA, and yes, I knew about 20 of the dead, plus wounded.
>>Like I say, they can all rot in hell.
>>
>WITH PROVISIONAL IRA HELP.
Please go to a different newsgroup to discuss this.
Sean Boland.
--
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definately overpaid for my carpet."
--Woody Allen
Scottie
sat down at the PC and wrote:
>Will this sort of political stuff be allowed in the moderated group?
Probably *Yes* since most of it is coming from one of the proponents
of that group.
--
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>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7buaag$7v9$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>
>
>So what does it make eddie for requesting neither be shown?
>I'm sorry I ticked this guy off folks, clearly a god fearing loyalist.
>
>And I won't rise to your political trolling.<
Good for you, Tom.
Not to throw more fuel in the fire, but here's a quote from Eddie
taken from Sporting Life. Make of it what you will:
"I knew I was going to win this race. A friend of mine from
Japan called me the other day and said he dreamt that I'd
win in Australia. The next day an ex-girlfriend called me and
she also said that she dreamt I'd win here. It is amazing and
fantastic to get my first win with Ferrari. To see all the Irish
flags out there was just phenomenal.
"I really didn't think I'd win here so didn't have a bet
on myself. There are plenty of Irish pubs in Melbourne and I'll
be visiting them."
>
>Tom
--
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t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.
(Helping victims of conventional wisdom)
Peter Bowman
Brendan Heading wrote in message <3$OWrABXS...@dnet.co.uk>...
>In article <7bv1ol$q1m$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Bowman
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> writes
>>>>He is from British Northern Ireland
>>>
>>>I'm from Northern Ireland. I'm Irish. I'm not a nationalist.
>>>
>>Then you're British
>
>Say there was a united Ireland tomorrow (I know there won't be, but
>imagine there is). Does that mean you'll suddenly be Irish ?
>
Jon B
wrote:
>Jon B wrote:
>>
>> Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
>> anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
>> discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
>> - that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
>> Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>> clearly from the Irish Republic?
>
>Hmm, Eddie clearly from the ROI?.. He's from Conlig, which is Co. Down,
>Northern Ireland, part of the UK..
>
>He lives is Dublin, but then so does Damon Hill..
Whoa, what have I started! Anyway thanks for the clarification, I
think!
Am I right in thinking that everyone got so into responding to the
first part of my question that they didn;t see the second? Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I tried the TopGear Website,
but the link to their Fantasy F1 site didn't work.
Kulvinder Singh Matharu
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
It's the Union Flag stupid. And why are you so interested in the flag
being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
first choice...
--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu
E-mail : ksmatharu # iee . org [without the spaces and where #=@]
(note : e-mail header address deliberately mangled)
Tom Cosgrave
Spider wrote in message <36fe1ab8....@cnews.newsguy.com>...
>
>I think it would be great to keep local politics out of racing, don;t
>you?
Ye know I think so too Spider,
So apologies for starting it, I'm backing out of this thread.
A highly intelligent contributor
Ah, so a Scotsman cannot be Scottish.
Bright lad.
-joe-
Peter Bowman
Scottie wrote in message <36e4d74c...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...
>I see that on Mon, 08 Mar 1999 03:43:52 GMT, i...@m.canadian (Spider)
>sat down at the PC and wrote:
>
>
>>Will this sort of political stuff be allowed in the moderated group?
>
>Probably *Yes* since most of it is coming from one of the proponents
>of that group.
>
The question asks - IS EDDIE IRVINE BRITISH. I REPLYED WITH THE TRUTH.
Peter Bowman
Irwin Sabath wrote in message ...
>"Tom Cosgrave" <t...@indigo.ie> wrote:
>
>>
>>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7buaag$7v9$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>
>>
>>I'm sorry I ticked this guy off folks, clearly a god fearing loyalist.
>>
>>And I won't rise to your political trolling.<
>
>Good for you, Tom.
>
>Not to throw more fuel in the fire, but here's a quote from Eddie
>taken from Sporting Life. Make of it what you will:
>
>"I knew I was going to win this race. A friend of mine from
>Japan called me the other day and said he dreamt that I'd
>win in Australia. The next day an ex-girlfriend called me and
>she also said that she dreamt I'd win here. It is amazing and
>fantastic to get my first win with Ferrari. To see all the Irish
>flags out there was just phenomenal.
>
>
flags.
Peter Bowman
Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
<36eb1152...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>
>being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
>first choice...
>
matters, ok
Peter Bowman
A highly intelligent contributor wrote in message
<36e424e3...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:21:17 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Brendan Heading wrote in message <3$OWrABXS...@dnet.co.uk>...
>>>In article <7bv1ol$q1m$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Bowman
>>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> writes
>>>>>>He is from British Northern Ireland
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm from Northern Ireland. I'm Irish. I'm not a nationalist.
>>>>>
>>>>Then you're British
>>>
>>>Say there was a united Ireland tomorrow (I know there won't be, but
>>>imagine there is). Does that mean you'll suddenly be Irish ?
>>>
>>officially, for arguments sake, yes.
>
>Ah, so a Scotsman cannot be Scottish.
>
>Bright lad.
>
>-joe-
Peter Bowman
Michael Boland wrote in message <7c0ipp$e...@synge.maths.tcd.ie>...
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message <7sVE2.858$1O5...@news.indigo.ie>...
Peter Bowman
Jon B wrote in message <36e4190b...@news.virgin.net>...
>On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 16:36:48 +0000, Jasper <jas...@mccrea.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Jon B wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
>>> anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
>>> discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
>>> - that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
>>> Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>>> clearly from the Irish Republic?
>>
>>Hmm, Eddie clearly from the ROI?.. He's from Conlig, which is Co. Down,
>>Northern Ireland, part of the UK..
>>
>>He lives is Dublin, but then so does Damon Hill..
>
>Whoa, what have I started! Anyway thanks for the clarification, I
>think!
>
>Am I right in thinking that everyone got so into responding to the
>first part of my question that they didn;t see the second? Any
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I tried the TopGear Website,
>but the link to their Fantasy F1 site didn't work.
>
I know, i emailed the sitemaster.
>
Super Pants
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bho$308$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>
>>It's the Union Flag stupid. And why are you so interested in the flag
>>being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
>>first choice...
>>
>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>matters, ok
Lovely how you people internalize your socialization. The authorities must
be pleased.
"It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred"
Super Pants
Peter Bowman
Ladies' Knikerswrote in message <7c1cqn$649$1...@nusku.cts.com>...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bho$308$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>
>>Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
>><36eb1152...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>>
>>>It's the Union Flag stupid. And why are you so interested in the flag
>>>being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
>>>first choice...
>>>
>>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>>matters, ok
>
>
>Lovely how you people internalize your socialization. The authorities must
>be pleased.
>
One of the qualities of this great land.
>"It's easy to see without looking too far
>That not much is really sacred"
>
>
>M&S Knickers
>
>
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bki$330$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>"Another victory for Ulster"
Póg mo thóin :-)
Can't we be friends now?
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bki$330$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>"Another victory for Ulster"
>
>
>Póg mo thóin :-)
>
>Can't we be friends now?
>
no. you're a taig, im a prod. thats the way it works.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1e59$5oi$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>no. you're a taig, im a prod. thats the way it works.
Sorry you feel that way.
Nice knowing you.
Ian Hill
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bho$308$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>matters, ok
Not unless the podium is a ship...
Kulvinder Singh Matharu
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
><36eb1152...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>
>>It's the Union Flag stupid. And why are you so interested in the flag
>>being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
>>first choice...
>>
>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>matters, ok
<sigh> So go on, why does it matter? BTW, it is the Union Flag,
Fuckwit!
Hey, I'm enjoying slagging this idiot off.
--
Peter Bowman
where you going?
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
Peter Bowman
Ian Hill wrote in message <7c1fjn$97v$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bho$308$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>>matters, ok
>
>
>
>
Peter Bowman
Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
>On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:23:14 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote in message
>><36eb1152...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>>
>>>It's the Union Flag stupid. And why are you so interested in the flag
>>>being shown? I don't give a damn, besides, the Union Flag wasn't EI's
>>>first choice...
>>>
>>matters, ok
>
>Fuckwit!
>
>Hey, I'm enjoying slagging this idiot off.
Dickbrain, it is the flag of the united kingdom of great britain AND
Northern Ireland.
Tom Cosgrave
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1hpu$8li$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>where you going?
Nowhere, but I get the idea you don't with to communicate with a mere
"taig".
Jeff York
>
>Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:54:15 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for
>the
>>>meantime at least, part of the UK.
>>
>>Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>>
>Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
There is an old airline joke.. "Ladies and gentlemen, we are about
to land in Belfast, please put your watches back by 300 years"..
You sir, and I use that word advisedly, and those like you are the
worst possible example of why that "joke" is not very funny.
BTW - your insistance that the Union Flag is called the "Union Jack"
is incorrect, it is only so called when it is flown from a jackstaff
- which is normally only found on a ship.
Good day to you..
--
Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K.
je...@jakfield.xu-netx.com (remove the x..x round u-net for return address)
... Some days you're the pigeon..
And some days you're the statue..
Peter Bowman
Tom Cosgrave wrote in message ...
>
>>
>
>>where you going?
>
>
>Nowhere, but I get the idea you don't with to communicate with a mere
>"taig".
>
you're right there.
Peter Bowman
Jeff York wrote in message <36e64d7c...@news.u-net.com>...
>"Peter Bowman" <Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ford Prefect wrote in message <36e29357...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:54:15 -0000, "Peter Bowman"
>>><Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>He was born in Conlig, co Down, northern Ireland, which is clearly , for
>>the
>>>>meantime at least, part of the UK.
>>>
>>>Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>>>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>>>
>>Dont get involved. You wont, don't seem to, and will never understand.
>
>There is an old airline joke.. "Ladies and gentlemen, we are about
>to land in Belfast, please put your watches back by 300 years"..
>You sir, and I use that word advisedly, and those like you are the
>worst possible example of why that "joke" is not very funny.
>
>BTW - your insistance that the Union Flag is called the "Union Jack"
>is incorrect, it is only so called when it is flown from a jackstaff
>- which is normally only found on a ship.
>
Well excuse me then, I forgot you were the captain of a ship, you're ship is
a tanker, and you are a w.............
Hammer
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The question asks - IS EDDIE IRVINE BRITISH. I REPLYED WITH THE TRUTH.
U were on about this last year too Bowman you lowlife pile.
Tom, I admire your restraint - VERY MUCH.
-=Hammer
Peter Bowman
Hammer wrote in message <36e4585c...@news.interserv.com>...
Hammer
j...@fidramay.demon.co.uk.snippy_here_yo' (Ford Prefect) wrote:
>Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to see Messrs Cosgrave and Bowman
>demonstrate the depth of polaric feeling permeating N Ireland.
>
>
>-joe-
Thankfully Cosgrave does not live in the gutter like this Bowman
moron. Nor is he so devoid of active brain cells.
Same crap last year Bowman... yer so original.
-=Hammer
remove x spamguard for email reply
Peter Bowman
Hammer wrote in message <36e45a5d...@news.interserv.com>...
>
Thank you. Is that you MC Hammer , out of a job are ya?
Brendan Heading
erpants.cha-ching> writes
>Lovely how you people internalize your socialization. The authorities must
>be pleased.
This particular juvenile prick is kinda like a bit of turd on the side
of the toilet boil that just won't flush away. Someone will have to get
out the Domestos...
--
Brendan Heading, Belfast, Northern Ireland
ICQ # 24010538
Experience is the salt of wisdom.
Peter Bowman
Brendan Heading wrote in message ...
>In article <7c1cqn$649$1...@nusku.cts.com>, Super Pants <kpa...@grooved.und
>erpants.cha-ching> writes
>>Lovely how you people internalize your socialization. The authorities
must
>>be pleased.
>
>This particular juvenile prick is kinda like a bit of turd on the side
>of the toilet boil that just won't flush away. Someone will have to get
>out the Domestos...
>
Im bored with it to Brend.
Hammer
<Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh so hammers here to back up Tom, is he?
Not at all. Methinks Tom neither needs nor desires backup.
Rather, I admire his restraint whilst despising your political
crap in this NG. Your spat of last year did not satisfy, I
'spose.
-=Hammer
Peter Bowman
Hammer wrote in message <36e45c39...@news.interserv.com>...
Peter Bowman
karl brophy wrote in message <7bucov$4nf$1...@news2.news.iol.ie>...
>Eddie Irvine is not from the Irish Republic, he just lives here - a couple
>of doors down from Damon Hill. He is, in fact, from Northern Ireland.
>
>This does not make him British either as the UK stands for the United
>Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
>
>So, technically they were right to display the Union flag but wrong to
>describe him as British. Ho hum, doesn't really matter what flag they fly
I
>don't think anybody will ever deny him to be 100 pc Irish.
>
>Should be interesting if Jordan win a race again this year. EJ was angry
>that they played God Save the Queen at Spa last year. Apparently they
>didn't have the Irish national anthem on tape so he made them promise to
get
>it for all the tracks.
>
>
>Jon B wrote in message <36e28f14...@news.virgin.net>...
>>Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
>>anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
>>discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
>>- that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
>>Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
>>clearly from the Irish Republic?
>>
>>Also, I'm just about to try and find a fantasy F1 website. Yes, I know
>>I'm late, but hopefully I will be able to join at least somewhere.
>>Does anyone have any reccomendations for favourite sites?
>
>
Dab
Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1j9o$9bf$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>Jeff York wrote in message <36e64d7c...@news.u-net.com>...
>>"Peter Bowman" <Bung...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>BTW - your insistance that the Union Flag is called the "Union Jack"
>>is incorrect, it is only so called when it is flown from a jackstaff
>>- which is normally only found on a ship.
>
>>
>Well excuse me then, I forgot you were the captain of a ship, you're ship
is
>a tanker, and you are a w.............
It isn't difficult to see where the jackstaff is kept in your neck o' the
woods, twinkie.
Dab
Steve Adams
The Union Jack is always a jack and never a flag. A jack is different from a
flag just like a flag is different from a pennon (pennant).
The Union Jack is a "jack" because it represents the national flags of
England (red cross of St. George on a white background) and Scotland (white
cross of St. Andrew on a blue background). There are additional stripes (I
forget what they're called) to represent Northern Ireland.
In other words: It's a jack, Jack.
--
==| steve |==
(Replace the obvious in my e-mail address with my first name when replying.)
Ian Hill wrote in message <7c1fjn$97v$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
>
>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7c1bho$308$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>It's the official choice. IT IS CALLED A UNION JACK, ARSEHOLE, and it
>>matters, ok
>
>
Super Pants
Brendan Heading wrote in message ...
>In article <7c1cqn$649$1...@nusku.cts.com>, Super Pants <kpa...@grooved.und
>erpants.cha-ching> writes
>>Lovely how you people internalize your socialization. The authorities
must
>>be pleased.
>
>This particular juvenile prick is kinda like a bit of turd on the side
>of the toilet boil that just won't flush away. Someone will have to get
>out the Domestos...
When I said "you people", I was referring to jingoistic flag-wavers the
world over, a disproportionately large amount of whom live right here in
Amerika. Not just N. Irelanders. So sorry. Bye, lover boy.
Super Pants
Siegfried & Roy's secret love child
BiffoMan
jon....@virgin.net (Jon B) wrote:
> Hi there folks, I'm new to the F1 ng, having just joined yesterday in
> anticipation of the new season. Apologies if this has already been
> discussed in the past, but it didn't escape my notice - how could it!
> - that they played the UK national anthem and had the Union Jack for
> Eddie's win today. Does anyone know why this is the case as he is
> clearly from the Irish Republic?
I saw the thread was 75 messages long, so I couldn't be bothered to read them
all. So, apologies if this has already been answered, but this is the
situation on Eddie Irvine's nationality: He is not from the Irish Republic,
he is from Northern Ireland. NI is part of the United Kingdom. The UK
consists of Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) and NI. So Eddie is
not British either, because NI is NOT part of Britain, although it IS part of
the UK. The Union Jack is not the British flag, it is the flag of the UK. As
NI is part of the UK, the Union flag was flown for Eddie. 'God Save The
Queen' is the national anthem of the UK, not Britain, so hence the choice of
National anthem. I hope that clarifies in no uncertain terms the difference
between the United Kingdom and Great Britain. They are NOT the same! Great
Britain is merely a part of the United Kingdom :-) And as Eddie is from
Northern Ireland not the Republic of Ireland, he is therefore from the UK.
Hope that makes sense :-)
BiffoMan
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Jeff York
>
>no. you're a taig, im a prod. thats the way it works.
Hmm.. "P.R.O.D."... pronounced "moron" presumably?..
Irwin Sabath
>
>Irwin Sabath wrote in message ...
>>"Tom Cosgrave" <t...@indigo.ie> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Peter Bowman wrote in message <7buaag$7v9$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>>>>THE UNION JACK SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS HE IS BRITISH.
>>>
>>>
>>>So what does it make eddie for requesting neither be shown?
>>>I'm sorry I ticked this guy off folks, clearly a god fearing loyalist.
>>>
>>>And I won't rise to your political trolling.<
>>
>>Good for you, Tom.
>>
>>Not to throw more fuel in the fire, but here's a quote from Eddie
>>taken from Sporting Life. Make of it what you will:
>>
>>"I knew I was going to win this race. A friend of mine from
>>Japan called me the other day and said he dreamt that I'd
>>win in Australia. The next day an ex-girlfriend called me and
>>she also said that she dreamt I'd win here. It is amazing and
>>fantastic to get my first win with Ferrari. To see all the Irish
>>flags out there was just phenomenal.
>>
>>
>That was in the sun, he meant Northern Ireland Red Hand flags, or Italian
>flags.<
Peter,
Ever work in politics?
Does Spin Doctor mean anything to you?
>
>
>
> "I really didn't think I'd win here so didn't have a bet
>>on myself. There are plenty of Irish pubs in Melbourne and I'll
>>be visiting them."
>>>
>>>Tom
>>
>>--
>>Irwin
>>
>>t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.
>>(Helping victims of conventional wisdom)
>
--
Irwin
t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.
(Helping victims of conventional wisdom)
Declan McCreesh
I was at the race and saw 1, maybe 2 maximum 'Ulster' flags, the rest were
all tricoloured Irish flags and Ferrari flags, and I'm talking lots of them.
By the way if Irvine is the Brit that you make him out to be, why does he
sport the Republic of Ireland colours on his helmet AND have a shamrock on
the back of it??