Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)
David G Fisher
http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
David G Fisher
BRH
Dave Cook
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> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
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> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> David G Fisher
IMHO there is a small percentage of intelligent people in our country that
carry the balance of those who don't know and don't care to know anything
else other than how to get to work and back. I can tell you this though, my
12 year old goes to a great school that actually *teaches* geography - and
he listens... If he can stay off drugs and keep focused, I have hopes that
he will grow up to be in that top percentile!
- Dave Cook
GTX_SlotCar
many people in Iraq, who may get clobbered, can find Texas on a map? On the
other hand, it may be cheaper to buy the country than to fight it. Here's my
25 cents.
It's been that way for most of recent history, at least. I didn't know where
Viet Nam was until I went there.
--
Slot
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DB
25 years ago when I was 20 I certainly didn't pay attention to world
events and I was terrible at geography. But I don't believe that would
have had any effect on my ability to serve my country if I had been
called upon to fight.
But back then we didn't have CNN 'communist new network'
disrespecting the military and our commander in chief either :/
Dave B
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Marc Collins
patriotic is a commie.
Marc
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DB
If that's how 'you' feel about it, you are entitled to you're opinion,
but I think you are wrong.
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Alex Kihurani
school!
As a sophmore, we go by continent and start w/ the geography than do its
history. For the middle east, we fill in a political map of the M.E., a
physical map, and then we have to draw a political map by hand. Then, we
take a test with a blank map where we have to fill in all the physical
features (even less popular things, like the Hindu Kush, Kyber Pass, Dead
Sea) countries, and capitals.
How can you not know where Iraq is, I've knows where it was since I was 6!
:) (Well, we had placemats that were world maps and my sister and I would
try to outsmart eachother with by asking eachother to find unpopluar
countries, heh)
Thanks,
Alex
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Phillip Malphrus Jr
geography classes during the Clinton administration.
BTW, I think Bush knows exactly what he's doing and I can find the place :)
It's funny how every Republican in the last 20 years is always referred to
as stupid, whether the guy is or not.
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Alex Kihurani
Thanks,
Alex
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John Pancoast
>
> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> David G Fisher
And the same ones who thought Clinton did too :) Surveys, polls,
whatever. You can prove or disprove any agenda one has with them.
John
>
>
John Pancoast
another story.......worthless, touchy-feely, stareyed, niave smucks. Only
reason the Europeans don't like Bush, is because he isn't the push-over
Willy was :)
John
p.s. I bet in 1940, not many Americans could tell you where Japan was
either.
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Mikkel Gram-Hansen
Last month in preparation for the Earth Summit currently being hosted by
South Africa, the UN conducted a world-wide survey. The only question was:
"Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food
shortage in the rest of the world?"
The survey was a huge failure....
- In Africa, they didn't know what "food" meant.
- In Eastern Europe, they didn't know what "honest" meant.
- In Western Europe, they didn't know what "shortage" meant.
- In China, they didn't know what "opinion" meant.
- In the Middle East, they didn't know what "solutions" meant.
- In South America, they didn't know what "please" meant.
- And in the USA, they didn't know what "the rest of the world" meant.
Sad but true....
Mikkel
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JTBurn
Todd
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Jan Verschueren
> People can't find Iraq. Big deal. Who would want to go
> there anyway!!!
Damn straight... it's just sand, rock and heat. Never mind the political
system.
Jan.
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David G Fisher
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Right, it's just where civilization began.
Writing, money, law, the first cites.......and there's nothing to see, like
the ancient city of Babylon and Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of
the World.
Even if it wasn't a big deal that only 13% can find Iraq (yea, it's ok to be
that dumb), it really should make you ill that 29% can't even find the
PACIFIC OCEAN.
Lol.
David G Fisher
Alex Kihurani
that :) Too bad they ruined all their soil from all that farming...
Thanks,
Alex
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Mike Portnoy
Whats even more perplexing is that you voted for Al Gore!! How sad is that!
Jason Moyer
<Montoy...@F1.com> wrote:
>Whats even more perplexing is that you voted for Al Gore!! How sad is that!
Let's see, you have a choice between a failed businessman who is
addicted to alcohol and cocaine, an anti-corporate lawyer (actually
this isn't so bad, but I prefer not having radicals in power - even if
I agree with them), or someone who actually has experience drafting
legislation and dealing with national/global policy.
Anyway, make as much random political commentary as you want, it
doesn't change the fact that the man who won received fewer votes.
Yay for an electoral system designed during a time period when it took
3 months to tally votes and the average person never traveled more
than 5 miles from their home during their lifetime.
Jason
Jason Moyer
<jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
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>> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>>
>> David G Fisher
>
> And the same ones who thought Clinton did too :) Surveys, polls,
>whatever. You can prove or disprove any agenda one has with them.
Yup. No matter what your policy is, if you want power in this country
you need to appeal to the idiot masses. Clinton was fortunate to have
immense charisma in addition to anything good or bad you want to say
about his policy.
Regardless of his policies (or his sex life, as more people seem to
care about that then what he actually *did* as President), I miss
having a President who had solid command of the English language and
seemed to have learned a thing or two inbetween the booze and cocaine
binges in college.
Jason
David G Fisher
just as dumb as they are today. Those results are embarrassing and pathetic,
and people who are so ignorant should keep their mouths shut until they are
educated enough to give an informed opinion about a subject. Unfortunately,
most people I see think that just because they exist, their opinions should
be heard.
As for Clinton/Gore being touch-feely, you may want to ask the people in
Kosovo about that.
Gore would of put 40,000 troops into Afganistan to find bin Laden and other
top al Qaeda leaders, and maintain the peace afterwards, instead of a few
hundred like Bush. Bush took the approach that would keep his poll numbers
the highest, but now that the "war against terrorism" has gone nowhere,
watch Bush's poll numbers plummet after the next terrorist attack on U.S.
soil (we don't notice or care about attacks that happen anywhere else
apparently) led by bin Laden and al Qaeda.
Gore also would of used the goodwill in this country that existed after 9/11
to ask Americans to begin weaning ourselves off of mideast oil. That would
of been extremely smart, wise, and showed true leadership. It would of made
it easier to make decisions regarding the mideast in the future. Bush
unfortunately never did that because we all know how tied into oil he and
his administration is (Cheney sold $40,000,000 worth of oil stock before he
took vice president nomination).
David G Fisher
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Jason Moyer
wrote:
>People can't find Iraq. Big deal. Who would want to go there anyway!!!
I thought's we was gonna send all them negroes and spanics there,
Cooter? *tugs on belt buckle*
Jason
Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
overbear the smaller states just because they had more people, it had
nothing to do with how long it takes to count votes or how far it is to a
polling booth. LOL
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Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
that ...
> >THE PRESIDENT
> >
> >Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military
> >men and
> >women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice
> >anything, but
> >military people see it right away. Watch: When President Bush leaves
> >his
> >helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as
> >he
> >disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They
> >continue
> >to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> >been seen
> >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the
> >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> >face the
> >President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back.
> >They
> >are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire
> >time.
> >
> >And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
> >Our
> >soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not
> >forced to
> >respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
> >Why is
> >such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to
> >bite
> >his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!
> >
> >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an
> >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> >Fellowship. He
> >lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
> >His
> >executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the
> >hospital
> >when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed
> >with
> >Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of
> >Brian's bed
> >and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his
> >burned and
> >bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief
> >never
> >initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of
> >Honor
> >winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But
> >he did,
> >out of respect to his President - a Soldier's President.
> >
> >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> >right thing
> >when nobody is looking." The nation and world learned some of what
> >our last
> >President did when nobody was looking. That President was
> >disbarred-the
> >worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have
> >a
> >difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.
> >
> >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
> >whom
> >the soldiers salute-fully.
> >
> >On Special Report with Brit Hume, hosted by Jim Angle, at the close
> >of the
> >show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed
> >President
> >Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp
> >David
> >for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the
> >way into
> >the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> >is right
> >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered
> >the
> >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The
> >Scottie
> >the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he
> >got to
> >steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie
> >persisted
> >in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and
> >entered
> >Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned
> >to the
> >position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from
> >the
> >helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at
> >attention,
> >head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped
> >him on
> >the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the
> >President and
> >received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act of
> >respect
> >for our military people by our President! He really does get it.
> >Most any
> >other person of his stature would have just continued his journey,
> >disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W.Bush. He is
> >earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as
> >most have
> >and would.
> >
> >President George W. Bush-The man who admitted to having a drinking
> >problem
> >in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to
> >mediocre
> >grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax,
> >and
> >whose speaking missteps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a
> >hair's
> >breadth of losing the election in November. While votes were counted
> >and
> >re-counted, Bush quietly but confidently waited at his ranch.
> >
> >Make no mistake, his orders were carried out, but he stayed in the
> >background, faithful and confident. Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord
> >of his
> >life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or
> >having
> >a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus
> >Christ!"
> >
> >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by
> >Roosevelt,
> >Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on
> >his
> >shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul.
> >So
> >President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the
> >National
> >Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols
> >of
> >American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated. When the
> >history of
> >this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe
> >alike that
> >President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a
> >nation
> >off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of
> >self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was
> >able to
> >deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or
> >confidence.
> >
> >God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now
> >rested
> >fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was
> >appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that
> >massive
> >place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H.
> >Bush
> >reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father
> >seemed to
> >say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to
> >do this
> >on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a
> >look of
> >peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got help."
> >
> >What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.
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David G Fisher
They've been farming in that region for 6,000 years, and are still farming.
If some of it was ruined, they have an excuse.
Americans, in the 20th and 21st century, with all the examples before us to
draw on, and all the knowledge we've accumulated through science and
technology, are still ruining our soil TODAY. We've done a huge amount of
damage in a fraction of the time.
David G Fisher
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Jason Moyer
<pmalN...@intermicro.com> wrote:
>You know, all those kids referred to in that passage grew up and took
>geography classes during the Clinton administration.
>
>BTW, I think Bush knows exactly what he's doing and I can find the place :)
>
>It's funny how every Republican in the last 20 years is always referred to
>as stupid, whether the guy is or not.
I don't think the Republican presidents in the last half of the 20th
century were really great representatives of the party. Aside from
Nixon and Ford, you basically have war mongerers and senile oil
tycoons. It always seems like the modern young republicans get shoved
aside for the corporate welfare southern baptist Jesse Helms wannabes.
I guess it's a matter of whatever will carry the trailer trash in
'Bama come election time. If I were a Republican, I would be
embarassed that McCain lost to Bush in the primaries in 2002.
The GOP is a great party when they're not obsessing over religion or
destroying 150 years of social progress. Of course, our GOP
president/House (with the approval of the weak, limp wristed Senate)
has already added more bloat to the govt than any leader since
Roosevelt. Has it really only been 2 years since the government
operated at a surplus?
Jason
Jason Moyer
<jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote:
> Lol, no kidding Phillip. I can take or leave Bush, but Clinton/Gore is
>another story.......worthless, touchy-feely, stareyed, niave smucks. Only
>reason the Europeans don't like Bush, is because he isn't the push-over
>Willy was :)
Only reason you don't like Clinton is because he got laid.
Aren't political arguments fun when you just throw around statements
that don't mean anything?
Jason
Jason Moyer
<marc_c...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Yep, everything and everyone in the US who isn't 100% unconditionally
>patriotic is a commie.
Take any analysis of Reagan's presidency, use a word processor to
substitute "terrorism" for "communism", and you've got our current
Cocaine-user in Charge. Ok, you should also substitute "learning
disabled" for "senile".
The sad thing is that I've seen recent polls showing that most
Americans believe Reagan played an important role in the collapse of
the Soviet Union. I wonder what percentage could name a single thing
he actually did to expedite that collapse, or know anything about the
infighting and corruption that started ripping the sytem apart in the
late 60's (coincidentally around the same time the Soviet Union
started falling behind us technologically).
Jason
Dave Henrie
"Jason Moyer"
), I miss
> having a President who had solid command of the English language and
> seemed to have learned a thing or two inbetween the booze and cocaine
> binges in college.
>
> Jason
Show me a politic and I'll show you someone who I won't associate with.
Either side...I have no party affiliations. The impeachment proceedings
clearly showed how desperate the parties were to protect their organizations
than dig for truth.
The republicans are just as ridiculous as the Democrats. Greed drives
Washington, not some desire to serve human kind.....
(that reminds me of a story about a cookbook!!) :0
dave henrie
Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
matter? No one is perfect, period. Can you tell me where New Zealand is on a
map without having to look it up? Probably not. Does that mean you are
ignorant and should keep your mouth shut until you can? Nope, so why treat
people like that?
Al Gore, he even lost his home state! If they dont trust him, why should
we???
Gore sat there 8 years with Clinton and they never stood up for our
military, making cuts in the military left and right. I have friends that
were in Korea during that time and they told stories about how they were
having to cannibalize broke down vehicles to fix others and the like. The
Clinton/Gore administration also knew about Bin Laden for years before most
had ever heard of the guy, even after they knew he was responsible for
attacking the USS Cole and they did nothing.
I also seem to remember Bush trying to wean americans off of mideastern oil,
and everywhere oil could be drilled for here, the environmentalists that
Gore is in bed with blocked it, every time, threatening lawsuits and
everything else under the sun, everywhere where oil was thought to be
available. From the coast of Florida to the midwest, everything was blocked.
So, dont give me any of that. Get your facts straight, your opinion is no
better than God's since no one is perfect.
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Jason Moyer
<elliottf...@charter.net> wrote:
>LOL, it was designed so that the largest states in the union could not
>overbear the smaller states just because they had more people, it had
>nothing to do with how long it takes to count votes or how far it is to a
>polling booth. LOL
Actually, while logistics played some role, the real reason for the
Electoral College was to give the most knowledgable and informed
individuals in each state the final say in the presidential election.
It was based on 2 other systems that were created for the same reason
- the College of Cardinals (who elect the Pope) and the Centurial
Assembly of the Roman Republic.
Jason
Jason Moyer
<davegf...@home.com> wrote:
>Then not only were Americans more racist and sexist in the 40's, they were
>just as dumb as they are today. Those results are embarrassing and pathetic,
>and people who are so ignorant should keep their mouths shut until they are
>educated enough to give an informed opinion about a subject. Unfortunately,
>most people I see think that just because they exist, their opinions should
>be heard.
I agree with the rest of your post Dave, except for that part.
I don't think intelligence or wisdom should have any more of a bearing
on someone's right to participate in government than their race,
religion, or economic status.
Of course, race/religion/wealth are probably the 3 most important
variables at work in American politics, so I guess my argument is
semi-moot.
Jason
Jason Moyer
wrote:
>The republicans are just as ridiculous as the Democrats.
Well said. I'd also include the Green/Reform parties, the Libertarian
party, the Socialist party, the Worker's party, etc.
I wonder what American politics would be like if people like
Washington, who supported a ban on political parties, would have
gotten their way. Even better, we should go back to the winner of the
Presidential election becoming President and the runner up being the
Vice President. Anything that would force compromise in this country
has to be good.
Jason
Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
> destroying 150 years of social progress.
What exactly are they destroying? You just throw out a statement with no
mention of what you are talking about.
> Of course, our GOP president/House (with the approval of the weak, limp
wristed Senate)
> has already added more bloat to the govt than any leader since
> Roosevelt. Has it really only been 2 years since the government
> operated at a surplus?
>
> Jason
The reason there is no surplus is that the gov't has had to pay to rebuild
NYC, all the families of those that lost relatives, and operate under a
wartime philosophy since 9/11. You seem to fail to remember any of this.
Another reason there is no surplus was because of the shape the economy was
heading in BEFORE Clinton left office. The stock market was ALREADY losing
major points while Clinton was in office and the Bush Administration
inherited a recession. At least the economy has recovered a little during
the last year and a half. If you dont believe me, look it up.
Bob
>Even if it wasn't a big deal that only 13% can find Iraq (yea, it's ok to be
>that dumb), it really should make you ill that 29% can't even find the
>PACIFIC OCEAN.
>
>Lol.
>
>David G Fisher
>
Yep, 29% of Americans can't find the Pacific Ocean, but it looks like
30% of the people in the rest of the world can't find it either,
according to this quote from the CNN article.
"Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the
Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean".
John Pancoast
Balkans are settled, you're very wrong. All Slick Willy and his crew did,
along with the Useless N, is put window dressing on the issues there,
something the UN is good at. Hell, the current Iraq mess is another one of
their cluster fornications.
Just like under Tito, the problems are still there, just buried again,
only to re-surface at a later date.
You can't tell people who've hated each other for centuries, to join
hands, sing kumbaya, and expect things to be okey dokey, because some niave
policy makers say, "Gosh darnit, can't we all just get along and be friends
?"
John
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John Pancoast
I don't know, means a lot to me.
John
John Pancoast
Lol, no kidding. Bush is being more big government Democrat than the Dems
themselves.
John
p.s. If you really believe Clinton's claim of a surplus, I got a bridge to
sell ya :)
John Pancoast
Well, fwiw, it IS what he did as President,(sex stuff ? who cares) and
what he represents, that I can't stand :)
John
John Pancoast
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Agreed.
John
>
>
John Pancoast
self-sufficient with food. Don't talk with your mouth full :)
John
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Uncle Fester
> The republicans are just as ridiculous as the Democrats. Greed drives
> Washington, not some desire to serve human kind.....
> (that reminds me of a story about a cookbook!!) :0
> dave henrie
You can't really be Dave Henrie. You sound like my clone.
Hmmm... maybe my anarchist ways are getting somewhere. :-P
--
Fester
There is a better way, for the enlightened.
http://www.racun.tk/
Uncle Fester
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
>
> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> David G Fisher
OMFG. Figures... Feed them nothing but propaganda & this is what
results. Garbage in, garbage out.
Uncle Fester
> Reminds me of this joke:
>
> Last month in preparation for the Earth Summit currently being hosted by
> South Africa, the UN conducted a world-wide survey. The only question was:
>
> "Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food
> shortage in the rest of the world?"
>
> The survey was a huge failure....
>
> - In Africa, they didn't know what "food" meant.
> - In Eastern Europe, they didn't know what "honest" meant.
> - In Western Europe, they didn't know what "shortage" meant.
> - In China, they didn't know what "opinion" meant.
> - In the Middle East, they didn't know what "solutions" meant.
> - In South America, they didn't know what "please" meant.
> - And in the USA, they didn't know what "the rest of the world" meant.
>
> Sad but true....
>
> Mikkel
LOL. Thx for sharing some intellectual humor.
Steve Blankenship
the NR2003 demo already? Getting testy around here; a sure sign of
boredom...
Or at least a demo for RS3; that oughta provide something On Topic to fight
about... ;-)
SB
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David G Fisher
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Try and defend us if you want, but of the nine countries surveyed, only
Mexico scored lower.
David G Fisher
David G Fisher
Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> First of all, where do you get off saying to people that there opinions
dont
> matter? No one is perfect, period.
If they or myself are not educated about a subject, then our opinions don't
matter.
>Can you tell me where New Zealand is on a
> map without having to look it up? Probably not.
I've known where New Zealand was since I was a child. I don't understand the
mentality of anyone who doesn't bother to learn the geography and make up of
the planet they live on. It's one of the most important things a person
should know.
> Does that mean you are
> ignorant and should keep your mouth shut until you can? Nope, so why treat
> people like that?
If I didn't even know where New Zealand was, I definitely would be a fool to
have an opinion about it, and I'd certainly be a complete assh**e if I said
that my government should wage war on it.
> Al Gore, he even lost his home state! If they dont trust him, why should
> we???
>
> Gore sat there 8 years with Clinton and they never stood up for our
> military, making cuts in the military left and right. I have friends that
> were in Korea during that time and they told stories about how they were
> having to cannibalize broke down vehicles to fix others and the like. The
> Clinton/Gore administration also knew about Bin Laden for years before
most
> had ever heard of the guy, even after they knew he was responsible for
> attacking the USS Cole and they did nothing.
There's something wrong in every sentence of that paragraph.
> I also seem to remember Bush trying to wean americans off of mideastern
oil,
> and everywhere oil could be drilled for here, the environmentalists that
> Gore is in bed with blocked it, every time, threatening lawsuits and
> everything else under the sun, everywhere where oil was thought to be
> available. From the coast of Florida to the midwest, everything was
blocked.
His own brother didn't want drilling off of Florida. In Alaska, there is a
relatively tiny amount of oil that will do nothing to help solve the short
or long term problem of our dependence on oil. That's why drilling there has
been blocked.
David G Fisher
The Black Cat =^..^=
would be my suggestion...
Damien Smith
> would be my suggestion...
Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an Australian.
Anyone care to discuss religion instead?
Mikkel Gram-Hansen
Bush/Clinton fight... we are just a bit scared that most Americans show so
little interest in anything but where the nearest McDonals is located.
And judging by comments in this thread some of you don't really care as long
as you can find the place when you need to go to war ????? Scary attitude.
Bush or Clinton to blame, the majority of the american youth know virtually
nothing of other
cultures... unless Ophra or Ricki Lake had a special on it. ;)
Mikkel
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>
> "David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:5_WcncuUh4F...@comcast.com...
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> >
> > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
> >
> > David G Fisher
>
> And the same ones who thought Clinton did too :) Surveys, polls,
> whatever. You can prove or disprove any agenda one has with them.
>
> John
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
Mikkel Gram-Hansen
New Zealand without consulting a lawyer and visiting a therapist.
Come on man, don't tell me you have never looked at a map of the world ???
Hint hint... New Zealand is to the south.... way way down south... yep even
further south than Alabama and Florida !!!
I guess it would not help you if I placed in relation to Australia which you
probably do not know where is either ?
Don't make it this easy on the rest of us Phillip.
Mikkel
PS: And damn those commie environmentalist bastards.. who are they to tell
real patriot americans anything ?
*sigh* the stupidity of some people
Phillip Malphrus, Jr. <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Ruud Dingemans
> This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because of
> that ...
>>>What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.
*ROFL* this last sentence alone makes you look like the biggest fool to
everyone but a minority of fundamentalist right-winger "Nuke-em
Christians", of course..
I dunno, some 'mericans just love to prove European sceptics ever so
right by disposing of every shred of nuance.
Never mind they want to nuke Iran without Saddam actually having really
*done* anything to its neighbours lately but being the perfect scapegoat
now that Bush hasn't actually really caught Bin Laden, let alone
Al-Quaida...
What? You mean that should be "Iraq", not Iran? Heck, most Americans
don't even seem to know where it is, let alone see the difference - it's
just one digit, after all. Nuances, nuances...
(Fellas, you know that's the original supposed Garden of Eden you want
to nuke there? No? Ah well... Not quite surprised.)
<sigh>
Please note, there are a lot of intelligent and well-mannered Americans
out there, it's just that they seem to have gone missing lately.
Regards, Ruud
The Black Cat =^..^=
<smithredm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an Australian.
>Anyone care to discuss religion instead?
I wish *I* could feel left out of stuff like this. I try to turn to
my sim racing for escape and it seems like the petty political
nonsense just follows me around...
I think the rule is that whichever side wins the election gets to
point fingers and go "neener neener" at the side which lost until
congress re-convenes. At that time, both sides are required to b*tch
and moan continuously until the next election.
They call that "democracy." Ain't it grand? :)
The Black Cat =^..^=
wrote:
>Please note, there are a lot of intelligent and well-mannered Americans
>out there, it's just that they seem to have gone missing lately.
There's still a loyal opposition over here, Ruud, it's just that the
other side is in control of most of the media outlets so it seems like
every American is some genetic experiment gone terrible wrong where
the mixed the DNA of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Arnold
Schwartzenegger to produce the current bunch running the show over
here.
Hopefully two years of unabated bullhockey on their part will convince
the voters of the error of their ways and we can reverse things in
2004.
GTX_SlotCar
"Jason Moyer wrote
> Actually ......... the real reason for the
> Electoral College was to give the most knowledgable and informed
> individuals in each state the final say in the presidential election.
And thankfully, it worked.
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iksteh
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> As long as Bush and the military know where to find it, I'm comfortable.
How
> many people in Iraq, who may get clobbered, can find Texas on a map? On
the
> other hand, it may be cheaper to buy the country than to fight it. Here's
my
> 25 cents.
<snip>
I like your thinking, but unfortunately it will only
save your "country" money (ignoring the countless
number of human lives saved), and not actually
make any cash for those in power (who may or
may not have parents that own arms manufacturing
consortiums ;)
Wars and the threat thereof are also very good
during election time...
iksteh
GTX_SlotCar
to be conservative ( for the past several years), I have no party
affiliations. I was once a registered Democrat, but am now an Independent.
The CNN pole was produced to propagate an agenda. I'm not saying that there
isn't a problem with education in this country, but if you pole the right
people you can get the results you want. The fact that Americans don't know
where Iraq is doesn't really matter as far as this political situation is
concerned. It's been this way throughout history. How many Japanese knew
where Pearl Harbor was before they attacked us?
The US grows more food and more variety than any other country.
There are more forests in the US now than there were in the 18th century.
The Bush family would benefit financially if we didn't have Middle Eastern
oil. They OWN oil wells.
Why do you need Gore to ask you to wean off mid-east oil? If that's what you
believe in, do it yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone else does it. If you
believe in it, do it.
Finally, and this is in no way political (as I detest politicians of both
parties), everyone should read Al Gore's book. He's a real nut case.
Steve Whitty
>
> Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an
Australian.
> Anyone care to discuss religion instead?
Unfortunately, being Australian, these arguements also affect us. Our Prime
Minister is hell bent on us being the next US state. Recent events in Bali
have shown that John Howards stance has also made us a terrorist target.
There are only two reasons that the US wants to go to war against Iraq. 1-
Oil. They need it. 2- Isreal. America wants to keep Isreal the only
Nuclear power in the region.
People forget, who supplied Bin Laden and Saddam with money and arms to get
them into power.
I may sound anti-American. I'm not. Just a citizen of the Earth that hates
war.
Steve Whitty
Uwe Schuerkamp
Damien, you're all brit expatriate criminals down there! I
didn't know you even had a religion ;-)
Couldn't resist!
uwe
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iksteh
> And we're also the only country in world history to be completely
> self-sufficient with food. Don't talk with your mouth full :)
Not sure about that - without the oil to drive your
industrialized agriculture, I imagine the USA would
be in major strife. erm.. will be in major strife.
iksteh
Someone Else
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Do you mean Ford vs Holden? :)
Dan_Leach
it would be by morning :)
rasers dont half need some decent subjects to talk crap about every so
often:)
When this all dies down and we're back to boring questions about how to
configure game x on system y i think ill start a 'religion which is the one
true faith?' thread ...just for fun of course
dan
Mikkel Gram-Hansen
[quote]In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
whom the soldiers salute-fully. [/quote]
OMG this is pure comedy... you really do make the right wing americans look
stupid.
Seriously NOBODY can be that much of a dramaqueen and still expect to be
anything but ridiculed ?
I can hear the cheesy music playing in the background, the starspangled
banner blowing in the wind in the back of the scene... a solemn comentator
readig this with his deep earnest voice. Short cuts to children awing at
Bush, mothers with tears in their eyes when the gaze upon the great ruler,
hard marines looking stern and yet strangely emotional due to their enormous
respect for Bush..... Bush the man they salute with respect !!
Phillip I marvel at your ability to disregard any intellectual impulse, when
caught up in the fanatic patriotic frenzy.
God someone put me out of my misery before I crack myself laughing at this
pathetic piece of soap opera poetry.
Mikkel
PS: Is this a just a great joke or does anyone actually read stuff like that
and find it ok ?? If you can read this without laughing I have a few books
by Barbara Cartland I'd like to sell you as "documentary works" and "factual
reading"
Phillip Malphrus, Jr. <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because of
> that ...
>
> > >THE PRESIDENT
> > >
> > >Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military
> > >men and
> > >women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice
> > >anything, but
> > >military people see it right away. Watch: When President Bush leaves
> > >his
> > >helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as
> > >he
> > >disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They
> > >continue
> > >to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> > >been seen
> > >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the
> > >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> > >face the
> > >President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back.
> > >They
> > >are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire
> > >time.
> > >
> > >And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
> > >Our
> > >soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not
> > >forced to
> > >respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
> > >Why is
> > >such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to
> > >bite
> > >his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!
> > >
> > >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an
> > >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> > >Fellowship. He
> > >lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
> > >His
> > >executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the
> > >hospital
> > >when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed
> > >with
> > >Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of
> > >Brian's bed
> > >and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his
> > >burned and
> > >bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief
> > >never
> > >initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of
> > >Honor
> > >winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But
> > >he did,
> > >out of respect to his President - a Soldier's President.
> > >
> > >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> > >right thing
> > >when nobody is looking." The nation and world learned some of what
> > >our last
> > >President did when nobody was looking. That President was
> > >disbarred-the
> > >worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have
> > >a
> > >difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.
> > >
> > >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
> > >whom
> > >the soldiers salute-fully.
> > >
> > >On Special Report with Brit Hume, hosted by Jim Angle, at the close
> > >of the
> > >show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed
> > >President
> > >Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp
> > >David
> > >for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the
> > >way into
> > >the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> > >is right
> > >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered
> > >the
> > >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The
> > >Scottie
> > >the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he
> > >got to
> > >steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie
> > >persisted
> > >in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and
> > >entered
> > >Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned
> > >to the
> > >position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from
> > >the
> > >helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at
> > >attention,
> > >head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped
> > >him on
> > >the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the
> > >President and
> > >received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act of
> > >respect
> > >for our military people by our President! He really does get it.
> > >Most any
> > >other person of his stature would have just continued his journey,
> > >disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W.Bush. He is
> > >earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as
> > >most have
> > >and would.
> > >
> > >President George W. Bush-The man who admitted to having a drinking
> > >problem
> > >in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to
> > >mediocre
> > >grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax,
> > >and
> > >whose speaking missteps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a
> > >hair's
> > >breadth of losing the election in November. While votes were counted
> > >and
> > >re-counted, Bush quietly but confidently waited at his ranch.
> > >
> > >Make no mistake, his orders were carried out, but he stayed in the
> > >background, faithful and confident. Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord
> > >of his
> > >life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or
> > >having
> > >a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus
> > >Christ!"
> > >
> > >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by
> > >Roosevelt,
> > >Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on
> > >his
> > >shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul.
> > >So
> > >President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the
> > >National
> > >Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols
> > >of
> > >American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated. When the
> > >history of
> > >this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe
> > >alike that
> > >President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a
> > >nation
> > >off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of
> > >self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was
> > >able to
> > >deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or
> > >confidence.
> > >
> > >God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now
> > >rested
> > >fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was
> > >appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that
> > >massive
> > >place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H.
> > >Bush
> > >reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father
> > >seemed to
> > >say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to
> > >do this
> > >on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a
> > >look of
> > >peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got help."
> > >
> > >What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.
>
Doug Ellison
"David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
>
> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> David G Fisher
>
It would be the same in the UK. Most kids wont have a clue where Iraq is -
and I remember fairly recently a survey that showed most kids in the UK
couldnt place several of the country's major cities.
For some strange reason - Geography at GCSE level and below seems to be
focused on what I'd call humanities and social studies, more than on actual
geography
Doug
JoH
JoH
Mikkel Gram-Hansen
rumours of that fight has spread all the way to the other side of the globe
:)
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Jussi 'Igor' Koukku
> When this all dies down and we're back to boring questions about how to
>configure game x on system y i think ill start a 'religion which is the one
>true faith?' thread ...just for fun of course
Wasn't that answered in an episode of South Park ?-)
>"David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
>>
>> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
Well, he did win the election... didn't he? ;-)
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HajajŽ
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>"Jan Verschueren" <jan.NO_SPAM...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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>> "JTBurn" wrote...
>> > People can't find Iraq. Big deal. Who would want to go
>> > there anyway!!!
>> Damn straight... it's just sand, rock and heat. Never mind the political
>> system.
>Right, it's just where civilization began.
>Writing, money, law, the first cites.......and there's nothing to see, like
>the ancient city of Babylon and Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of
>the World.
>Even if it wasn't a big deal that only 13% can find Iraq (yea, it's ok to be
>that dumb), it really should make you ill that 29% can't even find the
>PACIFIC OCEAN.
>Lol.
"We're no. 1! Why try harder?!?"
Apparently, when you have the strongest army, which the US
undoubtly does, the feeling is that you don't have to do
anything else well, or indeed, at all.
Scary, but it seems to be the way most Americans think.
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Boycott the 2008 Olympics
Xavier
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
>
> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
>
>
Mmmh, I know I should not feed these (adequately tagged, thanks David)
very off-topic threads (look in the 'other' simulation newsgroup for
things to avoid) but... I'll bite.
What makes the results really appealing for the youth of that great
country is the fact that the survey was based on multiple choice questions:
http://lava.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_1.html
Given the fact that the question on Afghanistan only involved a choice
between four possible locations (five if you include the 'I dont know'
option), you can even wonder whether the 17% americans aged 18-24 that
actually got the right result were just lucky. Pure random choice
should have given 25% (20%) success !
I cant help but ask what the annual US education budget is ? Especially
knowing that the US government spends one *billion* dollars a *day* for
its army. That is five dollars a day per inhabitant (children included),
or in other words defence spendings from a single day could buy every US
school-aged kid a luxury world atlas.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2167515.stm
(not exactly a communist news network, I think)
Sigh.
Xavier.
David G Fisher
> David, I'm a little surprised at some of what you're saying. While I do
tend
> to be conservative ( for the past several years), I have no party
> affiliations. I was once a registered Democrat, but am now an Independent.
I'm not a conservative or a liberal. Those words don't mean anything to me.
> The CNN pole was produced to propagate an agenda.
It's a National Geographic survey. No political agenda. This survey was
nothing new anyway. I've heard of similiarly poor results by Americans many,
many times before from different sources. Letterman's made jokes about them
in the past.
> I'm not saying that there
> isn't a problem with education in this country, but if you pole the right
> people you can get the results you want. The fact that Americans don't
know
> where Iraq is doesn't really matter as far as this political situation is
> concerned. It's been this way throughout history. How many Japanese knew
> where Pearl Harbor was before they attacked us?
>
> The US grows more food and more variety than any other country.
If it does, so what? All that means is we are a very large country which
just happens to have a great climate with a lot of arable soil. We are
ruining our land by devoting too much of it to cattle farming for meat
production, and polluting it with chemicals. We also waste a disgusting
amount of food, and are the fattest country on earth. Nothing to be proud of
there.
> There are more forests in the US now than there were in the 18th century.
If that's true, again, so what? Forests were devastated in that century. How
about we compare the amount of forests that we have today to what was here
before the first settlers? There were continuous forests from the Atlantic
to the Mississippi.
> The Bush family would benefit financially if we didn't have Middle Eastern
> oil. They OWN oil wells.
Bush would never do what Gore suggested becasue his political career would
be over. His main support would be gone.
> Why do you need Gore to ask you to wean off mid-east oil? If that's what
you
> believe in, do it yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone else does it. If
you
> believe in it, do it.
I have done it. Unfortunately it does matter a great deal if others do it.
> Finally, and this is in no way political (as I detest politicians of both
> parties), everyone should read Al Gore's book. He's a real nut case.
???
I have read the book, along with tons of scientific research about the same
subject. I also have common sense. The single biggest crisis facing all of
us is the destruction of the environment along with overpopulation. Al Gore
is a nut case for writing a book which he hopes will inform and raise
awareness of this crisis?
Funny you would bring this up as tonight the following story was just put
out by the AP:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap11-21-010708.asp?t=apnew&vts=112120020
213
Shows how much of a "nut case" Gore supposedly is, huh?
In George Bush, you have a man who said during the '00 campaign that there
wasn't yet enough proof that global warming was for real. One of his biggest
religious supporters, Jerry Falwell, just said yesterday on CNN that global
warming was a myth, invented by liberals and environmentalists.
Who's the "nut case"??
For those who don't know, Gore's book is called "Earth in the Balance".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452269350/qid=1037871152/sr=1
-13/ref=sr_1_13/103-2591785-9946225?v=glance&s=books
From Amazon.com :
"What's most inspiring about Earth in the Balance is who wrote it. It's a
big deal, after all, that a sitting senator was willing to write, "We must
make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for
civilization." And that's not all. In his 1992 book, Al Gore also wrote:
I have become very impatient with my own tendency to put a finger to the
political winds and proceed cautiously.... [E]very time I pause to consider
whether I have gone too far out on a limb, I look at the new facts [on the
environment crisis] that continue to pour in from around the world and
conclude that I have not gone far enough.... [T]he time has long since come
to take more political risks--and endure more political criticism--by
proposing tougher, more effective solutions and fighting hard for their
enactments.
And the buzz on the street is that Gore actually wrote those words himself.
When Earth in the Balance first came out, it caused quite a stir--and for
good reason. It convincingly makes the case that a crisis of epidemic
proportions is nearly upon us and that if the world doesn't get its act
together soon and agree to some kind of "Global Marshall Plan" to protect
the environment, we're all up a polluted creek without a paddle. Myriad
plagues are upon us, but the worst include the loss of biodiversity, the
depletion of the ozone layer, the slash-and-burn destruction of rainforests,
and the onset of global warming. None of this is new, of course, nor was it
new in 1992. But most environmentalists will still get a giddy feeling
reading such a call to action as written by a prominent politician.
The book is arranged into three sections: the first describes the plagues;
the second looks at how we got ourselves into this mess; and the final
chapters present ways out. Gore gets his points across in a serviceable way,
though he could have benefited from a firmer editor's hand; at times the
analogies are arcane and the pacing is odd--kind of like a Gore speech that
climaxes at weird points and then sinks just as the audience is about to
clap. Still, at the end you understand what's been said. Gore believes that
if we apply some American ingenuity, the twin engines of democracy and
capitalism can be rigged to help us stabilize world population growth,
spread social justice, boost education levels, create environmentally
appropriate technologies, and negotiate international agreements to bring us
back from the brink. For example, a worldwide shift to clean, renewable
energy sources would create huge economic opportunities for companies large
and small to design, build, and maintain solar panels, wind turbines, fuel
cells, and other ecofriendly innovations.
Gore doesn't mince words when describing just how hard it will be to get out
of this jam. Real hope is contingent on a swelling up of concern among the
public--and fast. A year into the vice presidency, in an interview with
writer Bill McKibben, Gore paraphrased a key passage in his book, "The
minimum that is scientifically necessary far exceeds the maximum that is
politically feasible." Ah, a political out. Some readers will ask of Gore:
what has he done since publishing his book to advance the political
feasibility of decisive environmental action? --Chip Giller --This text
refers to the Hardcover edition."
David G Fisher
David G Fisher
"Xavier" <xav...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> David G Fisher wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> >
> > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
> >
> > David G Fisher
> >
> >
> Mmmh, I know I should not feed these (adequately tagged, thanks David)
> very off-topic threads (look in the 'other' simulation newsgroup for
> things to avoid) but... I'll bite.
>
> What makes the results really appealing for the youth of that great
> country is the fact that the survey was based on multiple choice
questions:
>
> http://lava.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_1.html
>
> Given the fact that the question on Afghanistan only involved a choice
> between four possible locations (five if you include the 'I dont know'
> option), you can even wonder whether the 17% americans aged 18-24 that
> actually got the right result were just lucky. Pure random choice
> should have given 25% (20%) success !
Multiple choice. 17% after what happened this past year. Unbelievable.
Lol, we also came in last among the nine countries when asked what is the
correct population range of the U.S. Only 25% got it right in a multiple
choice question.
David G Fisher
Mikkel Gram-Hansen
> knowing that the US government spends one *billion* dollars a *day* for
> its army
yeah that may be... but in return the marines salute Bush with honest
respect !!!! *LOL*
Phillips post will give me laughing fits for a long long time to come...
Mikkel
PS: I can't even choose between the quotes of that infamous post by Phillip,
but this one makes me either vomit or chuckle depending on my mood : "He
held his salute until Brian was able to raise his burned and bandaged arm,
ever so slowly, in return." Readers Digest go home, now this is high class
LOW class. Never ever have I read propaganda that phony or sickeningly sweet
before.
Nick
> Can you tell me where New Zealand is on a
> map without having to look it up?
All you need to know about New Zealand if you live in England is 31-28! Oh
yeah, it's right next to Australia - 32-31! Sport is a better teacher of
geography than war, my friends ;-)
Bob
>
>> >
>> Yep, 29% of Americans can't find the Pacific Ocean, but it looks like
>> 30% of the people in the rest of the world can't find it either,
>> according to this quote from the CNN article.
>>
>> "Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the
>> Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
>> 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean".
>
>Try and defend us if you want, but of the nine countries surveyed, only
>Mexico scored lower.
>
Uh, sorry, but I'm not part of your "us", I'm not an American. I was
just pointing out the unusual wording of that particular statement.
Both sentences say exactly the same thing, just worded a bit
differently to demonstrate... what exactly, I don't know!
I find the whole article to be slightly dubious to say the least. Not
sticking up for Americans by any means, but the article gives
absolutely no info as to the people being tested. Americans 18-24?
Are these inner-city high school dropouts? College students? Working
professionals? A mixture of all of these? Who the hell knows. Were
the samples consistent over the various countries tested? And, of
course, the National Geographic Society couldn't possibly have any
kind of hidden agenda or axe to grind, could it?
Jussi 'Igor' Koukku
<mik...@gram-hansen.dk> wrote something like this:
>LOW class. Never ever have I read propaganda that phony or sickeningly sweet
>before.
Saddam Hussein getting 100% support from the people of Iraq for his
next term comes IMO quite close ;-) It always makes me laugh to see
this kind of figures from Iraq, North Korea etc =)
--
- Igor -
John Pancoast
about Americans. I could make some generalizations about Europeans too, but
that would be just as stupid.
John
"Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <mik...@gram-hansen.dk> wrote in message
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> Sorry John, but the rest of us don't really care about your internal
> Bush/Clinton fight... we are just a bit scared that most Americans show so
> little interest in anything but where the nearest McDonals is located.
> And judging by comments in this thread some of you don't really care as
long
> as you can find the place when you need to go to war ????? Scary attitude.
>
> Bush or Clinton to blame, the majority of the american youth know
virtually
> nothing of other
> cultures... unless Ophra or Ricki Lake had a special on it. ;)
>
> Mikkel
>
> John Pancoast <jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> news:uto6hvd...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:5_WcncuUh4F...@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> > >
> > > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
> > >
> > > David G Fisher
> >
> > And the same ones who thought Clinton did too :) Surveys, polls,
> > whatever. You can prove or disprove any agenda one has with them.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
John Pancoast
"iksteh" <a...@me.com> wrote in message
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Without oil, any country would be in trouble.
John
>
>
Uwe Schuerkamp
>
> I have read the book, along with tons of scientific research about the same
> subject. I also have common sense. The single biggest crisis facing all of
> us is the destruction of the environment along with overpopulation. Al Gore
Hey, I might not be alone much longer mentioning Dan Quinn
whenever this topic crops up in RAS! Dave, give "The Story of B" a
read or start with "Ishmael", both are truely awesome books by
Dan Quinn. Website is at http://www.ishmael.org/
cheers & good luck,
uwe
--
mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox)
Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/
Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E)
Jason Moyer
<elliottf...@charter.net> wrote:
>This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because of
>that ...
Um, the military has always been 90% republican. It's as predictable
as minorities and unions supporting Democrats and global businesses
and natural resource suppliers voting Republican.
You support the people who give you money, it's an obvious concept.
Jason
Ruud van Gaal
<davegf...@home.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
>
>These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
Jason Moyer
<stev...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>Unfortunately, being Australian, these arguements also affect us. Our Prime
>Minister is hell bent on us being the next US state.
I was seriously disturbed at his comments after the recent bombing. I
can't remember the exact quotes offhand, but I do remember it sounded
like something that would come out of the mouth of Dubya or Sharon.
Jason
elrikk
"Dave Henrie" <hen...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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>
> The republicans are just as ridiculous as the Democrats. Greed drives
> Washington, not some desire to serve human kind.....
> (that reminds me of a story about a cookbook!!) :0
> dave henrie
>
. . . with some fava beans and a little light chianti (sp?) . . .
elrikk
Jason Moyer
<davegf...@home.com> wrote:
> Multiple choice. 17% after what happened this past year. Unbelievable.
>
>Lol, we also came in last among the nine countries when asked what is the
>correct population range of the U.S. Only 25% got it right in a multiple
>choice question.
Well designed multiple choice questions can be incredibly challenging,
as anyone who has had a good professor can probably tell you.
I'm not saying that's the case here but I just wanted to point that
out. =)
Jason
Jason Moyer
wrote:
>And thankfully, it worked.
Except for that bit where we pretend to be the beacon of democracy for
the world even though we aren't a democracy, sure.
Jason
Jason Moyer
<jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote:
> Lol, no kidding. Bush is being more big government Democrat than the Dems
>themselves.
It's honestly scary IMHO how many stereotypes for the parties seem
backwards.
For instance, there is the big/small government debate, where the
Democrats (at least on the surface) appeared to be making some
progress with reducing the size of the executive branch, at least,
while the Republicans regularly increase funding for defense and are
(with support, of course) creating an entirely new bloated executive
department.
Another example is war mongering. Without a question, people seem to
see Republicans as war mongerers, and Democrats as liberal wimps.
Yet, which party started the most conflicts in the 20th century? If
Clinton or Gore were in office, I truly believe that Afghanistan would
have been hit with a serious strike force rather than combed with spec
ops. Aside from matters with Iraq, you've got Roosevelt, Kennedy,
Johnson, etc all sticking our military in places where it didn't
belong. Not what you expect from the stereotypes.
Maybe Bush can be the breakthrough in this area. I just hope we don't
run out of places to bomb before his only term ends. =)
> p.s. If you really believe Clinton's claim of a surplus, I got a bridge to
>sell ya :)
I haven't seen the books, honestly. Both parties claimed a surplus
(it was the Republican House/Senate who drafted the budget, after all)
so I assumed that there was one.
Jason
Jason Moyer
<jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote:
> Well, fwiw, it IS what he did as President,(sex stuff ? who cares) and
>what he represents, that I can't stand :)
There are things about him that disgust me, including essentially
defrauding the voters in 92 by supporting NAFTA after he said he
wouldn't (that is one of the wimpiest things I can think of any
President doing, even the Wimp-In-Chief's wimpy father), but what
specifically don't *you* like? I'm just generally curious, that's
all.
The main thing that disgusts me is that his support of big business
was nearly as bad as Reagan or either Bush. There's also using
military strikes (the Sudan incident, in particular, was well timed)
to try and deflect attention from his sex scandals.
Jason
Jason Moyer
<jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote:
> You can't tell people who've hated each other for centuries, to join
>hands, sing kumbaya, and expect things to be okey dokey, because some niave
>policy makers say, "Gosh darnit, can't we all just get along and be friends
>?"
Rabin/Arafat anyone?
Jason
Dave Cook
news:3de0e52e....@news.xs4all.nl...
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:19:03 -0500, "David G Fisher"
> <davegf...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> >
> >These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
> and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
> having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
> That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
> weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
> to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.
I'm not buying it (the weapons issue). It's all about oil and that became
obvious when we found out that North Korea had "weapons of mass
destruction". Even after we found this out the Bush adminstration CONTINUES
TO SELL OIL TO N. KOREA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2010-2002Oct22.html
BTW - I don't appreciate all the US bashing here. We don't have as much
control over our government as you all might think...
- Dave Cook
Doug Ellison
> <davegf...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> >
> >These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
>
> Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
> and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
> having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
> That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
> weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
> to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.
Very nicely worded Ruud - I've always said "It's not about bombs -it's about
bloody Oil" - but you've worded it quite nicely
Doug
Phillip Malphrus Jr
the thread ...
"Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <mik...@gram-hansen.dk> wrote in message
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> LOL you really do a great "Stupid Patriotic Yank"... I almost believe it.
>
> [quote]In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a
President
> whom the soldiers salute-fully. [/quote]
>
> OMG this is pure comedy... you really do make the right wing americans
look
> stupid.
> Seriously NOBODY can be that much of a dramaqueen and still expect to be
> anything but ridiculed ?
>
> I can hear the cheesy music playing in the background, the starspangled
> banner blowing in the wind in the back of the scene... a solemn comentator
> readig this with his deep earnest voice. Short cuts to children awing at
> Bush, mothers with tears in their eyes when the gaze upon the great ruler,
> hard marines looking stern and yet strangely emotional due to their
enormous
> respect for Bush..... Bush the man they salute with respect !!
>
> Phillip I marvel at your ability to disregard any intellectual impulse,
when
> caught up in the fanatic patriotic frenzy.
> God someone put me out of my misery before I crack myself laughing at this
> pathetic piece of soap opera poetry.
>
> Mikkel
>
> PS: Is this a just a great joke or does anyone actually read stuff like
that
> and find it ok ?? If you can read this without laughing I have a few books
> by Barbara Cartland I'd like to sell you as "documentary works" and
"factual
> reading"
>
>
>
> Phillip Malphrus, Jr. <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:utok7a7...@corp.supernews.com...
> > This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because
of
> > that ...
> >
> > > >THE PRESIDENT
> > > >
> > > >Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military
> > > >men and
> > > >women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice
> > > >anything, but
> > > >military people see it right away. Watch: When President Bush leaves
> > > >his
> > > >helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as
> > > >he
> > > >disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They
> > > >continue
> > > >to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> > > >been seen
> > > >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the
> > > >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> > > >face the
> > > >President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back.
> > > >They
> > > >are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire
> > > >time.
> > > >
> > > >And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
> > > >Our
> > > >soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not
> > > >forced to
> > > >respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
> > > >Why is
> > > >such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to
> > > >bite
> > > >his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!
> > > >
> > > >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an
> > > >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> > > >Fellowship. He
> > > >lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
> > > >His
> > > >executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the
> > > >hospital
> > > >when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed
> > > >with
> > > >Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of
> > > >Brian's bed
> > > >and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his
> > > >burned and
> > > >bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief
> > > >never
> > > >initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of
> > > >Honor
> > > >winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But
> > > >he did,
> > > >out of respect to his President - a Soldier's President.
> > > >
> > > >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> > > >right thing
> > > >when nobody is looking." The nation and world learned some of what
> > > >our last
> > > >President did when nobody was looking. That President was
> > > >disbarred-the
> > > >worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have
> > > >a
> > > >difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.
> > > >
> > > >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
> > > >whom
> > > >the soldiers salute-fully.
> > > >
> > > >On Special Report with Brit Hume, hosted by Jim Angle, at the close
> > > >of the
> > > >show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed
> > > >President
> > > >Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp
> > > >David
> > > >for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the
> > > >way into
> > > >the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> > > >is right
> > > >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered
> > > >the
> > > >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The
> > > >Scottie
> > > >the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he
> > > >got to
> > > >steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie
> > > >persisted
> > > >in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and
> > > >entered
> > > >Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned
> > > >to the
> > > >position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from
> > > >the
> > > >helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at
> > > >attention,
> > > >head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped
> > > >him on
> > > >the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the
> > > >President and
> > > >received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act of
> > > >respect
> > > >for our military people by our President! He really does get it.
> > > >Most any
> > > >other person of his stature would have just continued his journey,
> > > >disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W.Bush. He is
> > > >earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as
> > > >most have
> > > >and would.
> > > >
> > > >President George W. Bush-The man who admitted to having a drinking
> > > >problem
> > > >in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to
> > > >mediocre
> > > >grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax,
> > > >and
> > > >whose speaking missteps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a
> > > >hair's
> > > >breadth of losing the election in November. While votes were counted
> > > >and
> > > >re-counted, Bush quietly but confidently waited at his ranch.
> > > >
> > > >Make no mistake, his orders were carried out, but he stayed in the
> > > >background, faithful and confident. Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord
> > > >of his
> > > >life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or
> > > >having
> > > >a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus
> > > >Christ!"
> > > >
> > > >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by
> > > >Roosevelt,
> > > >Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on
> > > >his
> > > >shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul.
> > > >So
> > > >President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the
> > > >National
> > > >Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols
> > > >of
> > > >American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated. When the
> > > >history of
> > > >this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe
> > > >alike that
> > > >President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a
> > > >nation
> > > >off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of
> > > >self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was
> > > >able to
> > > >deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or
> > > >confidence.
> > > >
> > > >God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now
> > > >rested
> > > >fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was
> > > >appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that
> > > >massive
> > > >place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H.
> > > >Bush
> > > >reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father
> > > >seemed to
> > > >say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to
> > > >do this
> > > >on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a
> > > >look of
> > > >peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got help."
> > > >
> > > >What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.
> >
> > "David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:5_WcncuUh4F...@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html
> > >
> > > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)
> > >
> > > David G Fisher
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Phillip Malphrus Jr
the thread has a right to bitch about him. I dont see you telling the guy
who posted the thread to take it somewhere else. If you dont like it, deal
with it.
"The Black Cat =^..^=" <blackNOS...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Phillip Malphrus Jr
didnt try, that was a lie, he did.
"David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:utolhh2...@corp.supernews.com...
> > First of all, where do you get off saying to people that there opinions
> dont
> > matter? No one is perfect, period.
>
> If they or myself are not educated about a subject, then our opinions
don't
> matter.
>
> >Can you tell me where New Zealand is on a
> > map without having to look it up? Probably not.
>
> I've known where New Zealand was since I was a child. I don't understand
the
> mentality of anyone who doesn't bother to learn the geography and make up
of
> the planet they live on. It's one of the most important things a person
> should know.
>
> > Does that mean you are
> > ignorant and should keep your mouth shut until you can? Nope, so why
treat
> > people like that?
>
> If I didn't even know where New Zealand was, I definitely would be a fool
to
> have an opinion about it, and I'd certainly be a complete assh**e if I
said
> that my government should wage war on it.
>
> > Al Gore, he even lost his home state! If they dont trust him, why should
> > we???
> >
> > Gore sat there 8 years with Clinton and they never stood up for our
> > military, making cuts in the military left and right. I have friends
that
> > were in Korea during that time and they told stories about how they were
> > having to cannibalize broke down vehicles to fix others and the like.
The
> > Clinton/Gore administration also knew about Bin Laden for years before
> most
> > had ever heard of the guy, even after they knew he was responsible for
> > attacking the USS Cole and they did nothing.
>
> There's something wrong in every sentence of that paragraph.
>
> > I also seem to remember Bush trying to wean americans off of mideastern
> oil,
> > and everywhere oil could be drilled for here, the environmentalists that
> > Gore is in bed with blocked it, every time, threatening lawsuits and
> > everything else under the sun, everywhere where oil was thought to be
> > available. From the coast of Florida to the midwest, everything was
> blocked.
>
> His own brother didn't want drilling off of Florida. In Alaska, there is a
> relatively tiny amount of oil that will do nothing to help solve the short
> or long term problem of our dependence on oil. That's why drilling there
has
> been blocked.
>
> David G Fisher
>
> > So, dont give me any of that. Get your facts straight, your opinion is
no
> > better than God's since no one is perfect.
> >
> > "David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:ed-dnXeFQr0...@comcast.com...
> > > Then not only were Americans more racist and sexist in the 40's, they
> were
> > > just as dumb as they are today. Those results are embarrassing and
> > pathetic,
> > > and people who are so ignorant should keep their mouths shut until
they
> > are
> > > educated enough to give an informed opinion about a subject.
> > Unfortunately,
> > > most people I see think that just because they exist, their opinions
> > should
> > > be heard.
> > >
> > > As for Clinton/Gore being touch-feely, you may want to ask the people
in
> > > Kosovo about that.
> > >
> > > Gore would of put 40,000 troops into Afganistan to find bin Laden and
> > other
> > > top al Qaeda leaders, and maintain the peace afterwards, instead of a
> few
> > > hundred like Bush. Bush took the approach that would keep his poll
> numbers
> > > the highest, but now that the "war against terrorism" has gone
nowhere,
> > > watch Bush's poll numbers plummet after the next terrorist attack on
> U.S.
> > > soil (we don't notice or care about attacks that happen anywhere else
> > > apparently) led by bin Laden and al Qaeda.
> > >
> > > Gore also would of used the goodwill in this country that existed
after
> > 9/11
> > > to ask Americans to begin weaning ourselves off of mideast oil. That
> would
> > > of been extremely smart, wise, and showed true leadership. It would of
> > made
> > > it easier to make decisions regarding the mideast in the future. Bush
> > > unfortunately never did that because we all know how tied into oil he
> and
> > > his administration is (Cheney sold $40,000,000 worth of oil stock
before
> > he
> > > took vice president nomination).
> > >
> > > David G Fisher
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Pancoast" <jpan...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uto6o5t...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Lol, no kidding Phillip. I can take or leave Bush, but
Clinton/Gore
> > is
> > > > another story.......worthless, touchy-feely, stareyed, niave smucks.
> > Only
> > > > reason the Europeans don't like Bush, is because he isn't the
> push-over
> > > > Willy was :)
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > p.s. I bet in 1940, not many Americans could tell you where Japan
was
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <pmalN...@intermicro.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uto2va5...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > You know, all those kids referred to in that passage grew up and
> took
> > > > > geography classes during the Clinton administration.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, I think Bush knows exactly what he's doing and I can find the
> > place
> > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's funny how every Republican in the last 20 years is always
> > referred
> > > to
> > > > > as stupid, whether the guy is or not.
Steve Blankenship
it started, and aren't going to let the details get in their way. :-(
SB
"Bob" <bob3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cjptukjuq3cnvi9l...@4ax.com...
Goy Larsen
Steve Whitty wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an
> Australian.
> > Anyone care to discuss religion instead?
>
> Unfortunately, being Australian, these arguements also affect us. Our Prime
> Minister is hell bent on us being the next US state.
Get in line then, UK has already applied I believe and with our brown
nosing prime minister and foreign affairs minister, I have feeling
Norway will be applying soon too
OJ (Norwegian comedian) for PM !!!
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--
Goy Larsen
Someone Else wrote:
>
> "Damien Smith" <smithredm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:arht5f$io2oc$1...@ID-110394.news.dfncis.de...
> > > Take your Republican propaganda somewhere else. ALT.POLITICS.MORONS
> > > would be my suggestion...
> >
> > Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an
> Australian.
> > Anyone care to discuss religion instead?
>
> Do you mean Ford vs Holden? :)
AussieV8's !!!
Goy Larsen
As usual I go against the obvious :-), the last time I voted, I voted
for a party that wants to take more of my money in taxes, go figure :-)
But then again I've never thought money to be important
Nick
be
> >that dumb), it really should make you ill that 29% can't even find the
> >PACIFIC OCEAN.
> >
> >Lol.
> >
> >David G Fisher
> >
> Yep, 29% of Americans can't find the Pacific Ocean, but it looks like
> 30% of the people in the rest of the world can't find it either,
> according to this quote from the CNN article.
>
> "Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the
> Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
> 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean".
Maybe, but 'worldwide' includes people from places in Africa for example who
have no education whatsoever, and have never seen a map in their life.
Dave Boyle
"David G Fisher" <davegf...@home.com> wrote in message
news:gt-cnSKIJfb...@comcast.com...
[Big ole snip]
> For example, a worldwide shift to clean, renewable
> energy sources would create huge economic opportunities for companies
large
> and small to design, build, and maintain solar panels, wind turbines, fuel
> cells, and other ecofriendly innovations.
>
You know, I read this type of statement again and again and am still puzzled
by it. Can you imagine just how many solar panels it would take to replace
the worldwide energy produced from petroleum? Things like solar, wind,
geothermal, wave, organic, etc. are very good for supplementing limited
energy applications, but they simply can't even begin to approach a primary
role in the world's energy production much less completely replace
petroleum. ...and that doesn't even take into account the other major
(offending) energy producers like coal, hydroelectric and nuclear.
We don't us oil because some are too greedy or we are too lazy to use
something else or there is some kind of worldwide conspiracy. We use oil for
the simply fact that there is no current technology capable of producing
enough energy to replace it. When one becomes available it *will* be used.
Goy Larsen
GTX_SlotCar wrote:
>
snip
> There are more forests in the US now than there were in the 18th century.
According to a discussion in another NG, this statement is not true...,
apparently Rush Limbaugh made this statement and it seems to have been
proven false
---
"Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the United States
today than we did at the time the Constitution was written?" said
Limbaugh. In fact, in what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were at
least 850 million acres of forest land in the late 1700s, vs. only 730
million acres today.
Limbaugh's rebuttal is a lengthy dodge, which compares the amount of
forest land in the U.S. today to that in 1920. But the Constitution was
written in 1787, not 1920.
http://www.fair.org/press-releases/fair-limbaugh-rebuttal.html
---
Nick
news:arieo6$e36$1...@naxos.belnet.be...
> I cant help but ask what the annual US education budget is ? Especially
> knowing that the US government spends one *billion* dollars a *day* for
> its army. That is five dollars a day per inhabitant (children included),
> or in other words defence spendings from a single day could buy every US
> school-aged kid a luxury world atlas.
But most of them wouldn't read it. Take a look back over history, and count
the number of successful nations / empires which had no army...
> Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2167515.stm
> (not exactly a communist news network, I think)
Currently a socialist one, as Labour are in power. An anti-American one,
too.