iRacing - My slant
Byron Forbes
A few months back I get an email from iRacing letting me know about a 3
months for $25 deal. Sounds too good to resist and I feel an itch to scratch
so I go and spend over $1000 on new computer, G25 and seat! :)
Though there is the odd issue or 2, overall it is the best thing since
GPL. I had said in here donkeys years ago that the sim racing world was
screaming out for something like this (i.e. official racing series run by
sim company) and upon my iRacing experience I can tell you all that I was
dead right. The helter skelter atmosphere is gone. There is no need to fish
around for patches, mods, tracks and then leagues - it is all there in 1
place for you. It is fantastic to simply be able to hook up your stuff and
go racing.
My view presently is that the new iteration of the physics engine is so
taxing on the cpu that some of the complaints (and they are mostly minor)
about things will get fixed as cpu power allows them to add more bells and
whistles. Just a ton of great stuff on the horizon - Indianapolis has just
been released and will be shortly followed by the Aussie V8, including
Phillip Island, the Indy cars and Indy Lights, CR-6 Corvette, etc.
They have also taken a further step of merging the simulator with the
real world with the launch of inRacingNews - http://www.inracingnews.com/ as
well as obviously increasing public awareness about the world of sim racing.
Recently a plan was released for sponsorship at all levels as well. From the
forum -
On Car Sponsorship
Series Sponsorship
Forum Banner Ad Space
inRacingNews.com Banner Ad Space
Packages starting at $1000
For more information, contact: InSim...@iracing.com
Andrew MacPherson
> On Car Sponsorship
> Series Sponsorship
> Forum Banner Ad Space
> inRacingNews.com Banner Ad Space
This kind of thing is a real turnoff for me. But if it helps bring the costs down,
or subsidise the service, then it's very hard to complain.
As I've said lots of times though, you're right... GPL2 is alive and well inside
iRacing. Unfortunately they wrapped it in an expensive straight-jacket. The good
news is that they're slowly -- one patch at a time, one feature at a time --
loosening the straps, letting the core engine breathe a little, and improving the
value for money.
Andrew McP
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Can the engine be stalled yet?
Byron Forbes
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No, only blown up by over revving. All cars are autos when in 1st gear!
:)
Big deal?
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
"Byron Forbes" <choc...@caramel.com.au> wrote in message
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Not too big. But shows an underlying tendency on the part of the devs to
panda to wimps and crybabies.
jelloshooter69
seen. nothing better than 8 years ago in areas where it counts. when
race drivers note another sim dominates physics there is a problem imo
http://psrtv.com/podcast/index.php?p=episode&name=2009-03-17_theopinionnation_e11.mp3
shift is great too
GaryR
Summit Point in rFactor (a converter GPL track AFAIK) and it wasn't
even close. iRacing has the tracks and physics down, all you cryers
and moaners are just fucking jealous because you don't have the money
to spend. Admit it and move on. Nothing compares to it regardless of
how much pissing and moaning goes on. You either can afford it or you
can't. Stop whining and move on.
Byron Forbes
When I first joined I had a single core 3gig cpu/8500 graphics - no
where near enough. Now have a quad 3.2gig/8500 graphics - no problems. Point
being, the present physics engine is already taxing the cpu big time. To
anyone who's used Papy stuff over the years it is clear that a ton of the
bells and whistles are simply not there yet and I'll bet the cpu tax is the
reason - as technology catches up/gets cheaper, all this sort of stuff will
be addressed.
It is important to remember that presently they have X amount of series
running - there are still a lot of people who don't even have a clutch. As
the membership grows and the feasibility to add new series increases, I'm
sure we will start to see series where auto clutch and auto blip are
disabled and to run in those series will require the use of a clutch.
Obviously, at that time, engines will no doubt be able to stall! :)
GaryR
at the momemt.
>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:18:52 -0700, Eric Von Zipper <evz@NO_EMAIL.HERE> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:09:41 -0400, GaryR <Ga...@nospamforme.com>
>wrote:
>
>>You either can afford it or you
>>can't. Stop whining and move on.
>
>I can afford it, and the reason I can afford it is because I am not
>the type of person who wastes good money on monthly fees for online
>games.
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
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Alan_Bernardo
"Iteration"? My god, how I hate that word. It ranks right up there
with "resonate" as two of the most overly-used words in the English
language.
Anyhow, I tried iRacing, using that 3-month dealie, and played ONCE.
The game is so restrictive. If I'm paying for something I want to be
able to create my own league and run what I want to run.
Alan
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
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> My view presently is that the new iteration
>"Iteration"? My god, how I hate that word. It ranks right up there
>with "resonate" as two of the most overly-used words in the English
>language.
'Cunt' is another, Alan.
Byron Forbes
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Alan
I believe that's about 5 weeks away i.e. the next *iteration* of iRacing
with leagues
Personally, after being on iRacing for a few months I wouldn't give you
2 cents for leagues anymore - I race when I please - when it suits me down
to the ground - not according to a restrictive league schedule.
jelloshooter69
> Nothing compares to it regardless of
> how much pissing and moaning goes on. You either can afford it or you
> can't. Stop whining and move on.
not the money, could afford it easily. but you could laser scan a
track and add it to any other game, doesn't change the core aspect of
it. was just showing through the eyes of someone who races regularly
physics arent closer than another. guess it's because there was no
expansion of the core or more important segments of the software which
reflect the necessary items to make it feel and respond correctly.
data points for suspension, aero, shock, tires i guess are much more
detailed in the other software
Alan_Bernardo
wrote:
> "Alan_Bernardo" <alan.berna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I like it when people talk big when they are so anonymous. I wonder
if you'd call me that face-to-face?
But don't bother to reply. I blocked you, as I've done before.
Alan
Alan_Bernardo
> "Alan_Bernardo" <alan.berna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
By leagues I mean my own league, not something that iRacing creates.
That's one of the reasons I don't mess with iRacing. They want you to
pay for the service and then they tell you when you can race.
Alan
Byron Forbes
Alan
and, as I said, that changes in 5 weeks.
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
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Well said.
jelloshooter69
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> "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
really? no cunt, dick sucker, ass licker? j/k lol
i said before "iponzi" racing. lol
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
It's the extremist on both sides that get called that.
jelloshooter69
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> "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 30, 5:07 pm, "David G Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol>
> wrote:
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>
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> > "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:fcac99bc-663d-4daa...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 29, 12:09 am, GaryR <Ga...@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>
> > > >Nothing compares to it regardless of
> > > >how much pissing and moaning goes on. You either can afford it or you
> > > >can't. Stop whining and move on.
> > >not the money, could afford it easily. but you could laser scan a
> > >track and add it to any other game, doesn't change the core aspect of
> > >it. was just showing through the eyes of someone who races regularly
> > >physics arent closer than another. guess it's because there was no
> > >expansion of the core or more important segments of the software which
> > >reflect the necessary items to make it feel and respond correctly.
> > >data points for suspension, aero, shock, tires i guess are much more
> > >detailed in the other software
>
> > Well said.
> >really? no cunt, dick sucker, ass licker? j/k lol
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I see .. :) good software but not as strong underneath as you would
expect for the money or as perceived & touted by the far right
either.
schooner
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As with most things, it isn't for all people. Different people get
different value out of various products and services. It comes down to the
individual deciding for their own needs if it is worth the price at the end
of the day. For me I feel it is. If you are someone that wants AI or other
specific features then iRacing defintely isn't for you, but that could be
said for any sim if you want very specific features. It is not the be all
and end all sim the far right claim, nor is it the pos ponzi scheme the left
makes it out to be. One thing is for sure, regardless of if you like it or
not, it seems a number of people both within and outside of the service feel
it is important enough to continually bring up, so it certainly remains on
the radar be it good or bad, when other sims and games come and go...
Byron Forbes
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> As with most things, it isn't for all people. Different people get
> different value out of various products and services. It comes down to
> the individual deciding for their own needs if it is worth the price at
> the end of the day. For me I feel it is. If you are someone that wants
> AI or other specific features then iRacing defintely isn't for you, but
> that could be said for any sim if you want very specific features. It is
> not the be all and end all sim the far right claim, nor is it the pos
> ponzi scheme the left makes it out to be. One thing is for sure,
> regardless of if you like it or not, it seems a number of people both
> within and outside of the service feel it is important enough to
> continually bring up, so it certainly remains on the radar be it good or
> bad, when other sims and games come and go...
Let's face it - it is 2nd to none as a pure simulator but the HUGE
difference is the community aspect, forum and add a mix of real life drivers
and it's a clear winner - what more could you want?
Oh, and by the way, the Pro series, which is a feeder (top 50 qualify
for iDWC) for next years inaugural iRacind Drivers World Championship (iDWC)
is presently running. See Towler, Huttu, McLean, Purdy, etc going head to
head is a bit of a treat to say the least! :)
So what else is there that even comes close to stacking up to this? And
I'm serious - been out of the loop for a while. Is there anything else even
close?
<Achilles in Troy mode on> "IS THERE NO ONE ELSE!"
LOL
jelloshooter69
> "schooner" <schoo...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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> 2nd to none, Oh, and by the way, the Pro series, which is a feeder (top 50 qualify
> for iDWC) for next years inaugural iRacind Drivers World Championship (iDWC)
> is presently running. See Towler, Huttu, McLean, Purdy, etc going head to
> head is a bit of a treat to say the least! :)
>
as titled by you and other iponzi investors?. not sure i have ever
seen them in actual race cars performing at a similar level? so to
others, they're good at iracing, nothing more, than say the worlds
best mario brothers gamer? but i am sure it is entertaining, no more
than other race sims recorded before i imagine.
GaryR
boat free ride in the RL TDI Cup in the iRacing VW next year. That's
not friggin bad!!!
GR
jelloshooter69
> And if i'm not mistaken the winner of iRacing's TDI Series gets a full
> boat free ride in the RL TDI Cup in the iRacing VW next year. That's
> not friggin bad!!!
>
> GR
thats awesome but also not really racing imo, vw diesel 100 hp fwd
cars at 80 mph? can get that at a rental counter of any major airport
and near any major interstate? j/k
Byron Forbes
Who gives a shit about actual race cars - this is sim racing. What are
you doing wasting your time in this fantasy newsgroup stupid?
Forgot to mention - winner of iDWC gets money and prizes to the value of
$10,000 (and believe it or not, that's not monopoly money either).
jelloshooter69
> "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
the sim is shown and sold as the worlds most advanced based against
reality, in fact clearly it's not. can't be in current state and is
limitedly better than its predecessor which is 8 yrs older?
pro series only means they are the best at exploit racing not best at
racing because to be fast means bizarre unrealistic setups. when they
race real life this was reflected in depressive result
Byron Forbes
On Oct 2, 8:54 am, "Byron Forbes" <chocol...@caramel.com.au> wrote:
> "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
pro series only means they are the best at exploit racing not best at
racing because to be fast means bizarre unrealistic setups. when they
race real life this was reflected in depressive result
Like they were ever trying to pretend this meant they could be F1 Champs
were they? Sim racing is a sport unto itself bozo!
Pretty funny when the wanker thinks everyone else is the wanker!
Byron Forbes
GaryR
race RL amatuer (Porsche Club and NASA) and I wouldn't look down my
nose at ANY form of professional car racing.
GR
Tony R
> thats awesome but also not really racing imo, vw diesel 100 hp fwd
> cars at 80 mph? can get that at a rental counter of any major airport
> and near any major interstate? j/k
Doesn't sound the most exciting race car for sure, although you have
sold the Jetta powerplant 70bhp short - it is 170bhp ~140mph
The racing though is as real as any other form of motor racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7PowR9GlE
jelloshooter69
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wooo hooo, looks exciting not, blah rather watch "biggest loser".
speaking of which Jack B has cost iponzi more signups than anything
else http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=338844&page=5 ,
searching for info his stupid posts come up a lot in google. customer
should get a refund no reason they can't @ worse a month should be
kept and 11 months refunded. jack b should be told to ride off
somewhere a joke!
Byron Forbes
I'm no fan of this practice but "iPonzi" is simply an incorrect analogy
anyway.
Whatever anyone thinks, there is a post by a person (fellow Aussie in
fact) being recently auto billed for 12 months sitting on the iRacing forums
since Sept 29 culminating in the following today from Tim -
"Right now we send emails to people who have auto renew enabled 2 weeks
before their payment is due. We also email those who disabled auto renew to
ask them to renew manually. Lastly, we also email those who did not renew to
ask them back. Just recently got the capability to do this, but everyone
should be aware now if they're not blocking our domains emails."
In any case, some seemed to like things as it was -
"Note to self...select 'autobill' and tell the wife...ooops...sorry about
that...hehehe."
:)
In a month there will be private servers - how will they bash iRacing
then?
jeffareid
>> else http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=338844&page=5 ,
> Whatever anyone thinks, there is a post by a person (fellow Aussie
> in fact) being recently auto billed for 12 months sitting on the
> iRacing forums since Sept 29 culminating in the following today from
> Tim -
> "Right now we send emails to people who have auto renew enabled 2 weeks
> before their payment is due."
Has iRacing always sent out these auto-renewal email notices? If so, then
why the complaints, the "iracing ripoff" thread here, the jack b thread
above, and now some Aussie guy?
Then again, why have auto-renewal at all, especially for the yearly
subscriptions? The players that like the game are going to renew anyway,
and it's only going to create complaints from the players that didn't
want to auto-renew.
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
"Byron Forbes" <choc...@caramel.com.au> wrote in message
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"jelloshooter69" <jellosh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 6, 3:16 pm, Tony R <tony.rickar...@spam.blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> jelloshooter69 wrote:
>> > thats awesome but also not really racing imo, vw diesel 100 hp fwd
>> > cars at 80 mph? can get that at a rental counter of any major airport
>> > and near any major interstate? j/k
>>
>> Doesn't sound the most exciting race car for sure, although you have
>> sold the Jetta powerplant 70bhp short - it is 170bhp ~140mph
>>
>> The racing though is as real as any other form of motor racing:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7PowR9GlE
>
> wooo hooo, looks exciting not, blah rather watch "biggest loser".
> speaking of which Jack B has cost iponzi more signups than anything
> else http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=338844&page=5 ,
> searching for info his stupid posts come up a lot in google. customer
> should get a refund no reason they can't @ worse a month should be
> kept and 11 months refunded. jack b should be told to ride off
> somewhere a joke!
> In a month there will be private servers - how will they bash iRacing
> then?
They will find a way.
Byron Forbes
"jeffareid" <jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> speaking of which Jack B has cost iponzi more signups than anything
>>> else http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=338844&page=5 ,
>
>> Whatever anyone thinks, there is a post by a person (fellow Aussie
>> in fact) being recently auto billed for 12 months sitting on the
>> iRacing forums since Sept 29 culminating in the following today from
>> Tim -
>
>> "Right now we send emails to people who have auto renew enabled 2 weeks
>> before their payment is due."
>
> Has iRacing always sent out these auto-renewal email notices? If so, then
> why the complaints, the "iracing ripoff" thread here, the jack b thread
> above, and now some Aussie guy?
>
No, this is no doubt a reaction to recent complaints. A refund was asked
for but so far it looks like that wont happen.
jeffareid
>> Has iRacing always sent out these auto-renewal email notices?
Looking at that thread and doing a web search, it seems that a few states
(USA) require (consumer law) these notices. Then again, being a consumer
law, there's seldom any fine or other risk, since minor infractions tend
to get ignored, other than the person usually may a refund, if that person
lives in one of those few locations that even have such a law.
Then again, maybe it was due to the thread here and the Jack B thread,
and the negative publicity.
Regardless of the reason, they're sending out notices now, so problem
solved for any future auto-renewals. Would be nice if that guy got
a refund though.
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
Would it fuck! He should have been more on the ball.
Niles Anders
Not sport .... game.
David G Fisher's Left Testicle
"Niles Anders" <rea...@flog.com> wrote in message
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> >Sim racing is a sport unto itself bozo!<
>
> Not sport .... game.
I agree. It's no more a sport than chess is.
jelloshooter69
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i broke a sweat once in chess never in sim race?
Niles Anders
times league schedules are not restrictive. That may apply to Australia
but not North America.
Byron Forbes wrote:
> "Alan_Bernardo" <alan.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> My view presently is that the new iteration
>
> "Iteration"? My god, how I hate that word. It ranks right up there
> with "resonate" as two of the most overly-used words in the English
> language.
>
> Anyhow, I tried iRacing, using that 3-month dealie, and played ONCE.
> The game is so restrictive. If I'm paying for something I want to be
> able to create my own league and run what I want to run.
>
> Alan
>
>
> I believe that's about 5 weeks away i.e. the next *iteration* of
> iRacing with leagues
>
> Personally, after being on iRacing for a few months I wouldn't give
> you 2 cents for leagues anymore - I race when I please - when it suits
> me down to the ground - not according to a restrictive league schedule.
Byron Forbes
"David G Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in message
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess#Birth_of_a_sport_.281850.E2.80.931945.29
Dale Earnhardt gets nervous before he sim races! :) -
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/automobiles/18SIM.html?_r=3&emc=eta1
jelloshooter69
> "David G Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in messagenews:xPlCm.9078$XC7....@newsfe05.ams2...
>
>
>
> > "Niles Anders" <rea...@flog.com> wrote in message
> >news:NNlCm.16358$Lw1....@newsfe03.iad...
> >> >Sim racing is a sport unto itself bozo!<
>
> >> Not sport .... game.
>
> > I agree. It's no more a sport than chess is.
>
>
> Dale Earnhardt gets nervous before he sim races! :) -http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/automobiles/18SIM.html?_r=3&emc=eta1
not sure but his performance sucks coincides with a certain release of
a product too? jus saying? ;)
Byron Forbes
Yeah, thought that too - maybe too much simming, not enough real stuff!
:)
jelloshooter69
> "jelloshooter69" <jelloshoote...@gmail.com> wrote in message
lol, i was joking, but really if he plays it that much and the reality
that it drives no where near accurately must mentally affect something
i guess needs a better sim or quit that one
Byron Forbes
He's won all there is to win in NASCAR right? Probably likes the new
challenge of simming against fellow aliens! :)
jelloshooter69
it is worse than thought about deceit, http://www.business-litigation-associates.com/iRacing.pdf
Here is transcript comments about actual truth under oath
"The question that was asked of DK was very simple, "How much of the
original NR2003 code remains in the iRacing software?"
DK responded with, "I do not know exactly, but I estimate 65% is
unaltered NR2003 code"
Tim R's lawyer asked, "So why do you state as little as 1% to the
media and on your own site?"
DK responds with, "We tell the public and media a different number"
Tim R's lawyer asked, "Why would you do that?"
DK responds with, "We do not want our customers to know or they may
not buy our product"
http://www.thepits.us/board/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15174&start=15
so looks like what they say on their site is one thing and truth
another like over 15000 members probably is how many names they used
from demos and such.
money is evil