GM 3.8l...what cars?
Rey Berin
Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
rear whell drive?
Thanks,
Rey
Rey Berin
Does anybody know what cars('89-present) that has the
Thanks,
Rey
Lloyd R. Parker
: In <DC8qC...@lcpd2.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
: re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
: >
: >
: >Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
: >GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
: >
: >Thanks,
: >
: >Rey
: Rey,
: The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
: which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
: SC
: --
: Help stamp out, eliminate and abolish redundancy...
:
:
Well, yes it does. The 3.8 has been around since the late 70s, and was
originally used in RWD cars. The only current RWDs to use it are the
Camaro and Firebird. The Bonneville, when it was the RWD G-body in the
early-mid 80s, used the 3.8.
Chintan Kiran Amin
>In <DC8qC...@lcpd2.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
>re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
>>
>>
>>Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
>>GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
>>rear whell drive?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Rey
>Rey,
>The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
>which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
>SC
The new F-Cars have a 3800 Series II V6. They are RWD.
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The only car that I know of that has the 3.8 and is rear wheel drive is
the Camaro/Firebird.
Mike Lamfalusi
Stolen Child
re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
>
>
>Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
>GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
>rear whell drive?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rey
Rey,
The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
SC
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com
> Does anybody know what cars('89-present) that has the
The '89 Turbo Trans Am (Indy pace car replicas) was powered by a
turbocharged 3.8l Buick V6 (ala turbo Regal/GN). Not sure about other
US cars, but the 3.8l has been used in RWD Austrailian Holdens.
As of mid-year '95, the V6 Camaro/Firebird now uses the Series II
3.8l V6.
>Is the Bonneville rear wheel drive?
No.
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Scott Sigethy
The Buick 3.8 L V6 (231 cu in) has had wide usage at GM over the years
due to its versatility and reliablility
This engine has been in production since 1975, when it was first used in
the Century, Sylark, and Skyhawk lines.(Buick cars only)
Soon however, Pontiacs & Oldsmobiles began to use this engine.
Starting in 1977, when GM restyled its full size cars (the LeSabre, Delta
88, and Bonneville (Parisienne after 1982)) the 3.8 was used as base power
These rear wheel drive cars were in production until 1985
The mid size line was restyled in 1978
This included the Century & Regal, the Cutlass, and the Le Mans lines
the Le Mans was phased out after 83 and the Century went to front drive
in 82, but the rear drive Cutlass & Regal were in production until 1987
Other cars, including the Firebird & Camaro, as well as the Riviera and
Toronado, used the 3.8 L V6
Some late 70s and early 80s models used a turbocharged 3.8 L V6
Chevrolet products with 3.8 L engines are NOT Buick engines-
they used a Chevy 229 cu in V6
By 1988, most of GM's cars (including the Delta 88 & Le Sabre)
that used this engine had been converted to front wheel drive, wih the
exception of the Firebird & Camaro - these are the only post 1989 cars
(your inquiry) I know of which have this engine
I believe the engine is still in production
Chintan Kiran Amin
>This engine has been in production since 1975, when it was first used in
>the Century, Sylark, and Skyhawk lines.(Buick cars only)
>Soon however, Pontiacs & Oldsmobiles began to use this engine.
I thought the 3800 V6 has been around since the '60s. Anyone got a
firm date on it?
>By 1988, most of GM's cars (including the Delta 88 & Le Sabre)
>that used this engine had been converted to front wheel drive, wih the
>exception of the Firebird & Camaro - these are the only post 1989 cars
>(your inquiry) I know of which have this engine
>I believe the engine is still in production
And they only got the 3800 SII V6 this April. Before that they used the
3.4L pushrod engine that was derived from the Citation's V6 and is a cousin
to the 3.4L DOHC engine in some Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs and the 3.1 L pushrod
engine in the smaller cars.
Scott Sigethy
> I thought the 3800 V6 has been around since the '60s. Anyone got a
> firm date on it?
To the best of my knowledge only one V6 was produced by GM prior to 1975.
It was a 225 cubic inch (3.7 L) V6, used on 1964-1966 Buick Skylarks.
All other 6 cyl engines were inline(I think).
Anyone know for sure?
The 3.8 L V6 itself was, I believe, derived from the aluminum 215 cu in
(3.5L) V8 engine (Buick produced as well) used in 1961-63 Buick Skylarks
and Olds F-85s.
GM later sold the right to produce the 3.5L V8 to an English company
which produces Range Rovers- this engine is still in production today
in these vehicles! (too bad GM didn't continue to produce it)
> And they only got the 3800 SII V6 this April. Before that they used the
> 3.4L pushrod engine that was derived from the Citation's V6 and is a cousin
> to the 3.4L DOHC engine in some Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs and the 3.1 L pushrod
> engine in the smaller cars.
Yes, the 3.4 L V6 and 3.1 L V6 were derived from the Chevrolet 2.8L 60
degree V6 (first produced in 1979) which was originally used in the X and
A body GM cars.
The 60 degree design was necessary to fit the engine into these cars'
engine compartment. It was a very fuel efficient design as well.
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com
> Scott Sigethy <s...@acpub.duke.edu> writes:
>
>>This engine has been in production since 1975, when it was first used in
>>the Century, Sylark, and Skyhawk lines.(Buick cars only)
>>Soon however, Pontiacs & Oldsmobiles began to use this engine.
>
> firm date on it?
The 225 V6 was used in the 60s, (as early as '64, I think) and the rights
were sold to Jeep. The rights were bought back by Buick in the 70s. It has
been offered in various displacements since. The 3800 version is a relatively
new model using balance shafts for smoothness.
For detailed info, refer to ftp://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/tech/V6History.txt
or http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/v6hist.html
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com
> The 87 Regal was the last to use this engine in a front wheel drive
> configuration.
Perhaps you mean REAR wheel drive?
Those with the turbo V6 in their '89 Turbo Trans Ams will probably
beg to differ.
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com
> On 25 Jul 1995, Chintan Kiran Amin wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge only one V6 was produced by GM prior to 1975.
> It was a 225 cubic inch (3.7 L) V6, used on 1964-1966 Buick Skylarks.
> The 3.8 L V6 itself was, I believe, derived from the aluminum 215 cu in
> (3.5L) V8 engine (Buick produced as well) used in 1961-63 Buick Skylarks
> and Olds F-85s.
Close. I believe the 225 shared its design with the 300/340 V8, which
disappeared after 1967.
Scott D Ballentine
by Scott Sig...@acpub.duke
>they used a Chevy 229 cu in V6
Not that this really has anything to do with the question at hand, but
some Chevy's had the Buick 231 cu in V6. Some of them could have either
one (early 80's Malibu's were like this). Sorry about being nit-picky.
:^)
Back to the question at hand, I think the Camaro/Firebird were the only
RWD's with the 3.8L. Most of the mid-size RWD's were pretty much phased
out by '87 or '88 - the 3.8L usually went into these.
-Scott Ballentine
sb...@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
School of Computer Science
Greg Steiner
(Stolen Child ) wrote:
>>In <DC8qC...@lcpd2.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
>>re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
>>>GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
>>>rear whell drive?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Rey
>>
>>
>>Rey,
>>
>>The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
>>which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
>>
>>SC
>>
>>
>>--
>>Help stamp out, eliminate and abolish redundancy...
>>
>>
AS I HAVE READ (toronto star)
The 1996 Firebird and possibly the Camaro are going to get the
3.8L as a replacement to
the 3.4L. This engine has over 200 H.P. on tap! aswell it has RWD.
Greg Steiner
gregs
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George B
configuration.
George Bonser
gr...@cris.com
Lloyd R. Parker
: Scott Sigethy <s...@acpub.duke.edu> writes:
: >This engine has been in production since 1975, when it was first used in
: >the Century, Sylark, and Skyhawk lines.(Buick cars only)
: >Soon however, Pontiacs & Oldsmobiles began to use this engine.
: I thought the 3800 V6 has been around since the '60s. Anyone got a
: firm date on it?
In the mid-60s, Buick made a 225 (3.7 L) V6 that was used on Special and
Skylark models. GM then sold the tooling to Kaiser, which offered the V6
in Jeeps. The engine was discontinued by GM after 1967. GM bought the
tooling back in the mid 70s, and the engine was enlarged slightly to 3.8 L.
: >By 1988, most of GM's cars (including the Delta 88 & Le Sabre)
: >that used this engine had been converted to front wheel drive, wih the
: >exception of the Firebird & Camaro - these are the only post 1989 cars
: >(your inquiry) I know of which have this engine
: >I believe the engine is still in production
: And they only got the 3800 SII V6 this April. Before that they used the
: 3.4L pushrod engine that was derived from the Citation's V6 and is a cousin
: to the 3.4L DOHC engine in some Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs and the 3.1 L pushrod
: engine in the smaller cars.
Yes, true, the 2.8, 3.1, and 3.4 OHV engines are all the same family.
The 3.8's family included the 3.0 and 3.3 that have now been replaced by
the 3.1 V6.
Lloyd R. Parker
: On 25 Jul 1995, Chintan Kiran Amin wrote:
:
: > I thought the 3800 V6 has been around since the '60s. Anyone got a
: > firm date on it?
: To the best of my knowledge only one V6 was produced by GM prior to 1975.
: It was a 225 cubic inch (3.7 L) V6, used on 1964-1966 Buick Skylarks.
: All other 6 cyl engines were inline(I think).
: Anyone know for sure?
True, except the 1967 Special/Skylark used the 3.7 V6 too. But nothing
after 1967.
: The 3.8 L V6 itself was, I believe, derived from the aluminum 215 cu in
: (3.5L) V8 engine (Buick produced as well) used in 1961-63 Buick Skylarks
: and Olds F-85s.
Correct.
: GM later sold the right to produce the 3.5L V8 to an English company
: which produces Range Rovers- this engine is still in production today
: in these vehicles! (too bad GM didn't continue to produce it)
Correct. It has been used in Triumphs as well as Rover automobiles.
: > And they only got the 3800 SII V6 this April. Before that they used the
: > 3.4L pushrod engine that was derived from the Citation's V6 and is a cousin
: > to the 3.4L DOHC engine in some Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs and the 3.1 L pushrod
: > engine in the smaller cars.
: Yes, the 3.4 L V6 and 3.1 L V6 were derived from the Chevrolet 2.8L 60
: degree V6 (first produced in 1979) which was originally used in the X and
: A body GM cars.
: The 60 degree design was necessary to fit the engine into these cars'
: engine compartment. It was a very fuel efficient design as well.
And is inherently better balanced than a 90 deg. V6 like the 3.8,
although GM engineers have managed to smooth the 3.8 out quite well.
George B
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com wrote:
>In article <3v42at$d...@warp.cris.com>, gr...@cris.com (George B) writes:
>
>Perhaps you mean REAR wheel drive?
I did...and I was thinking he was referring to the Buick 3.8.
George Bonser
gr...@cris.com
Tom Karner [Consultant]
: >GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven?
Camaros and Firebirds are available with the 3.8. In fact,
it will be the base engine in 1996.
The very limited production 1989 Turbo Trans Am used the
Buick GN version of the 3.8. That was one really fast car.
Maybe some of the compact GM trucks used the 3.8 as well?
Or do they all use the 4.3?
Tom
Ed Buker
>
>Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
>rear whell drive?
Off of the top of my head the only thing I can think of, is the 95
Camaro. I KNOW it comes standard with the 3.4, but I THINK they are
going to/just started offering the 3.8L, maybe I missed something, but I
am pretty sure of it. Also, the Bonneville is front wheel drive, but
didn't they make an all-wheel drive Bonne?? (saw it on one but
sceptical.)
Ed
Richard Sherratt
>GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
>rear whell drive?
>
>
>Rey
The Holden Commodore and Holden Statesman here in Australia have this
engine, I think, and are RWD with a north/south engine mounting. The
engine arrived here in 1988 as a replacement for the Nissan 3.0l
straight six fitted to the previous model. It was sourced from Buick.
When it first arrived, it was somewhat of a disappointment compared to
the Nissan engine. It was rough as guts and wouldn't rev freely. It's
since been improved dramatically and the latest version, which came
out earlier this year, has had some very good reports. Fuel efficiency
seems pretty good as well.
Regards,
Richard.
Lloyd R. Parker
: Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.misc: 25-Jul-95 Re: GM 3.8l...what cars?
: by Scott Sig...@acpub.duke
: >Chevrolet products with 3.8 L engines are NOT Buick engines-
: >they used a Chevy 229 cu in V6
Chevy called this a 3.7, not a 3.8
: Not that this really has anything to do with the question at hand, but
: some Chevy's had the Buick 231 cu in V6. Some of them could have either
: one (early 80's Malibu's were like this). Sorry about being nit-picky.
: :^)
The Lumina minivan and the Camaro currently use the Buick 3.8. In the
past, the only other model I can think of that used it was the Monte
Carlo when it offered the 3.8 Turbo. The Malibu used Chevy's 3.3 V6,
although it may have switched to Chevy's 3.7 later. I know the Monte
used the 3.3 V6 and later Chevy's 4.3 V6.
Scott Widmer
>Or do they all use the 4.3?
>
The 3.8 is not used in GM's truck line...the 4.3 is the only V-6 offered there.
-Scott
Scott Norman
: No, the Bonneville is not rear wheel drive. It is front wheel drive.
: the Camaro/Firebird.
My 1984 Monte Carlo stock car had a 3.8L V6 in it before I ripped it out
in favour of a 350 four bolt.
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LEE Jason
: In <DC8qC...@lcpd2.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
: re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
: >
: >
: >Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
: >GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
: >rear whell drive?
: >
: >Thanks,
: >
: >Rey
: Rey,
: The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
: which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
: SC
: --
: Help stamp out, eliminate and abolish redundancy...
In Australia, the Holden Commodore has been using the Buick 3.8l V6
since around 1988 in rear wheel drive and mounted inline. The Commodore
is a full sized 4 door sedan ( also in wagon and ute forms). The engine
is mated to a four speed auto (TH700 I think) or a 5 speed manual.
Alfa Corse
>In <DC8qC...@lcpd2.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM>
>re...@wildcat.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Rey Berin) writes:
>>
>>
>>Does anybody know of any car('89-present) that has the
>>GM 3.8l engine and is *rear* wheel driven? Is the Bonneville
>>rear whell drive?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Rey
>Rey,
>The Bonnie is a front wheel drive... The 3.81 is a transverse mount V6
>which doesnt lend itself to rear wheel driver (as far as I've seen).
If you are talking about the 3.8L V6 then here in Australia we have
the Holden Commodore. A large car with the 3.8 V6 mated to a GM400 4
Speed auto tranny. Rear wheel drive.
Nathan Wong
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
LEE Jason <s302...@pompeii.mpce.mq.edu.au> wrote:
>In Australia, the Holden Commodore has been using the Buick 3.8l V6
>since around 1988 in rear wheel drive and mounted inline. The Commodore
>is a full sized 4 door sedan ( also in wagon and ute forms). The engine
>is mated to a four speed auto (TH700 I think) or a 5 speed manual.
Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
US, no?
Spiros (stick forever)
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Chintan Kiran Amin
>In article <406ecn$k...@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>,
>LEE Jason <s302...@pompeii.mpce.mq.edu.au> wrote:
>>In Australia, the Holden Commodore has been using the Buick 3.8l V6
>>since around 1988 in rear wheel drive and mounted inline. The Commodore
>>is a full sized 4 door sedan ( also in wagon and ute forms). The engine
>>is mated to a four speed auto (TH700 I think) or a 5 speed manual.
>Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
>don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
>US, no?
What about the 20th Anniversery Firebird with the Turbo 3.8L V-6? And
GNXs were autos?????
Lloyd R. Parker
: >In article <406ecn$k...@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>,
: >LEE Jason <s302...@pompeii.mpce.mq.edu.au> wrote:
: >>In Australia, the Holden Commodore has been using the Buick 3.8l V6
: >>since around 1988 in rear wheel drive and mounted inline. The Commodore
: >>is a full sized 4 door sedan ( also in wagon and ute forms). The engine
: >>is mated to a four speed auto (TH700 I think) or a 5 speed manual.
: >Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
: >don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
: >US, no?
: What about the 20th Anniversery Firebird with the Turbo 3.8L V-6? And
: GNXs were autos?????
Yes, and yes. The 3.8 came with a manual in the A-bodies and X-bodies in
the 70s, along with the 70s Firebird. But is the manual available yet in
the Camaro/Firebird with the 3.8? It wasn't when the 3.8 was first
offered a couple of months ago.
sek...@bb1t.monsanto.com
> c2...@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
>>don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
>>US, no?
>
> What about the 20th Anniversery Firebird with the Turbo 3.8L V-6? And
> GNXs were autos?????
Yes...both used the 200-4R auto tranny.
Ed Runnion
>c2...@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
>>don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
>>US, no?
> What about the 20th Anniversery Firebird with the Turbo 3.8L V-6? And
>GNXs were autos?????
Actually, both were Auto only! On a Turbo car, this is not all
bad as it lets the Turbo spin up and get on boost more easily.
See you around (literally).
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@larry.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>: What about the 20th Anniversery Firebird with the Turbo 3.8L V-6? And
>: GNXs were autos?????
>
>Yes, and yes. The 3.8 came with a manual in the A-bodies and X-bodies in
>the 70s, along with the 70s Firebird. But is the manual available yet in
>the Camaro/Firebird with the 3.8? It wasn't when the 3.8 was first
>offered a couple of months ago.
I don't think the 3800 is offered with a 5 speed now. It would be great
if some effort was done in that direction, since they could also squeeze
the 5 speed, in, say, a Bonneville...
Or mate the 6 speed manual on the 3800... All the other things are in
place (clutch pedal location, console for shifter. But I guess that
anyone who wants a manual would get the V8, while the more casual
drivers won't mind the auto in the 3800.
Spiros
ga...@hls.com
> ca3...@meibm12.cen.uiuc.edu (Chintan Kiran Amin) writes:
>
>>c2...@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>
>>>Is this about the only application of the 3800 with a 5 speed ever? I
>>>don't think it was ever offered with a stick in recent history in the
>>>US, no?
>
>>GNXs were autos?????
>
> bad as it lets the Turbo spin up and get on boost more easily.
>
>
shifter.