Camry transmission backslap is normal according to Toyota
John Urwin
RE: 1993 Toyota Camry V6, automatic transmission.
Toyota indicates that the backslap in all 1993 Camry’s is normal.
This is noticeable when returning to the accelerator after slowing down
to about 45 mph. Also noticeable when car is parked and running then
move the shifting lever back and forth between reverse and drive
several times and you will experience a loud clunk in the transmission.
Any news on this would be helpful!
Steve Sheldon
Toyota trains their employees to repeat "It's normal, Toyota's just do
that" in response to all reported problems.
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Tim Jakoboski
>Toyota indicates that the backslap in all 1993 Camry’s is normal.
>This is noticeable when returning to the accelerator after slowing down
>to about 45 mph. Also noticeable when car is parked and running then
>move the shifting lever back and forth between reverse and drive
>several times and you will experience a loud clunk in the transmission.
>
>Any news on this would be helpful!
>
Hey there,
I have similiar problems with my 87' Supra. The reverse - drive clunk
ends up being some rubberized check ball in the valve body in the
transmission (yes, very Toyota like). I did however reduce the
shifting clunks by using changing all 7.2 quarts with synthetic trans
fluid (Amsoil). That was 1 week ago, and it keeps on smoothing out as
I drive it.
Tim Jakoboski
Steve McCauley @ PCB x5569
point of view any problem not imdeadiately identifyable and profitable is
defaulted to "normal" behavior.
I have a 94 V6 XLE and it dosen't exhibit this behavior. I hear / feel
no loud "clunk" in the tramsmission. However I DO get a bit of a "kick"
as the tranny drops out of lockup and then responds to moderate to hard
acceleration, such as when one has to brake hard and swerve around someone
under hard acceleration, but not loud "clunking" noise.
You may have something as simple as a mount that needs tightening.
I reccomend calling the regional factory service representative and ask
about any special service bulletins on the subject. An independent trans-
mission shop might also provide some clues.
/Steve
Rod
she...@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>In <417taf$6...@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> j.u...@ix.netcom.com (John Urwin ) writes:
>>RE: 1993 Toyota Camry V6, automatic transmission.
>
>>move the shifting lever back and forth between reverse and drive
>>several times and you will experience a loud clunk in the transmission.
and runing. Except, it's not loud, and you can hear the clunk only
from the outside.
>
> Toyota trains their employees to repeat "It's normal, Toyota's just do
>that" in response to all reported problems.
like a Toyota brochure for your specific car." to any questions you ask.
...and I was asking them questions about why my does ...
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>Iowa State University ICSS Resource Facility by day '85 Honda Spree
>she...@iastate.edu ProMap by night '91 Bridgestone MB5
> BEEF! -- Cause the west wasn't won on salad.
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John Urwin
Toyota successfully showed that all 93 Camrys exhibit this kickback
anomaly. John
Andrew Jones
>feel
>> no loud "clunk" in the tramsmission. However I DO get a bit of a
>"kick"
>> as the tranny drops out of lockup and then responds to moderate to
>hard
>> acceleration, such as when one has to brake hard and swerve around
>someone
>> under hard acceleration, but not loud "clunking" noise.
>>
>>/Steve
>>
>Owners note: Toyota and I met in Consumer Affairs Arbitration in which
>Toyota successfully showed that all 93 Camrys exhibit this kickback
>anomaly. John
they all "klunk". Have only seen one that had a real klunk and that car
needed a c/v joint at only 40k mi's.
Nearly every 78 (I think, I'm stretching my memory here) Honda Accord
ended up burning oil very early in life, but Honda replaced a bunch of
engines free. I referred dozens of people for this repair from my little
shop. ALL early volks rabbits burned oil like bad lawnmowers from bad
valve guide design (materials used and seals), but volks had to lose a
class action suit before they would do a damn thing about it. They even
continued to build the same flaw in the car for several years in spite of
ceratain knowledge of the flaw.
Find yourself a good independent (GOOD) and let him check the car.
He'll let you know what the problem is and what you can do about it. Be
very carefull about trans only shops. There are some great ones, but
they are rare (re: many consumer reports articles and fraud
investigations by a number of states. Look for someone who subscibes to
ALLDATA (who has a WWW page) or some other service bulletin and recall
d-base.
Andy Jones
ASE Master Tech 241908708JONES
Bill Llewellyn
Rod <1ryh...@mtsac.edu> wrote:
>In article <sheldon....@du139-224.cc.iastate.edu>
>she...@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>
>>In <417taf$6...@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> j.u...@ix.netcom.com (John Urwin ) writes:
>>>RE: 1993 Toyota Camry V6, automatic transmission.
>>
> Also noticeable when car is parked and running then
>>>move the shifting lever back and forth between reverse and drive
>>>several times and you will experience a loud clunk in the transmission.
>
>I have a 95 Toyota Camry LE-V6, and it does the same thing when parked
>and runing. Except, it's not loud, and you can hear the clunk only
>from the outside.
We also have a 95 Toyota Camry LE-V6. While we're on funny tranny
behaviors, I'll add:
1. When the car has set for several hours, I can drive up to 0.6 miles
before it will shift above second gear. (below about 34MPH). After that,
it's normal. The colder, the longer it takes.
2. Cruising at boulevard speeds (45-50), letting off the gas causes a
thump. Annoying when driving in dense traffic where acceleration and
deceleration are frequent. I'd guess this is the tranny dropping out of
lockup mode...?
>> Toyota trains their employees to repeat "It's normal, Toyota's just do
>>that" in response to all reported problems.
They told me this about the 0.6-miles-in-second-gear thing, though they
could only relate it to the tranny staying in non-overdrive mode
automatically for a warm up period, which has nothing to do with second
gear. The point at which it drops out of warm-up mode (non-overdrive) is
always after the second gear thing is over, and is distinctly different.
(Oh, well, maybe I should be happy -- our other car's transmission needed
replacement twice under warranty. No, not a Toyota.)
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Funny, I owned two and it never was a problem, so be careful when
you use the word "ALL". Furthermore, the material was changed as soon
as it became apparent that the seals could be improved. Remember that
these were small, high-revving engines, and combining this with Americans'
penchant for leaving engines idling for long periods, pushed the limits
of valve-seal materials available at the time. This "problem" certainly
existed in other engines of the period, but may not have been noticed
because the rest of the car may not have lasted as long as a that of a
Rabbit/Scirocco/Dasher/Fox could. On the East coast, rust would
entirely consume a 70s-vintage Japanese car in five years or less.
> They even
>continued to build the same flaw in the car for several years in spite of
>ceratain knowledge of the flaw.
Actually, the material was changed as soon as it became apparent that
it could be improved. But it's hard to put a number on what constitutes
"excessive" oil consumption, and even today we see postings by owners of
new cars who feel that 1 Liter/3000 miles is too much. While I am certain
that over 1 Liter/600 miles is universally recognized as unacceptable,
if the car burns less than that I'm not sure what the consumer can do.
Back to the original topic, we have seen here that Toyota dealers will
describe almost anything as "normal". Remember the Camry sunroof that
allowed water to pour into the interior whenever driven through a car
wash? The woman's dealer claimed it was normal. Yeah, right.
Clunking is not normal, but may be due to causes other than the
transmission, such as a loose/broken motor mount or even a bad
ball-joint.
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Lockheed-Martin Government Electronic Systems Moorestown NJ 08057
WPI Class of '75, Temple Class of '94
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VW -> Audi -> Audi -> Mercedes -> Mercedes -> Audi -> Mercedes
Scirocco Fox GTI 4000S 190E 2.3 190E 2.6 100CS S320
POSSLQ's* new car history:
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Triumph -> Toyota -> Toyota -> VW -> Audi -> Audi
Spitfire Tercel Corolla Jetta GL 80 90S
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DAVID RAND
>Back to the original topic, we have seen here that Toyota dealers will
>describe almost anything as "normal". Remember the Camry sunroof that
>allowed water to pour into the interior whenever driven through a car
>wash? The woman's dealer claimed it was normal. Yeah, right.
>
>Clunking is not normal, but may be due to causes other than the
>transmission, such as a loose/broken motor mount or even a bad
>ball-joint.
>
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>John Greenstreet, Senior Engineer (jgre...@motown.ge.com)
>Lockheed-Martin Government Electronic Systems Moorestown NJ 08057
>WPI Class of '75, Temple Class of '94
>
A541E trans. per Tech bullitin TC95-007. Remove trans pan and adjust
Accumulator back pressure.Toyota have a lot faults that are normal but
when they come out with a fix they dont tell every one. If you think
your car is not right tell the dealer or write a letter to toyota.
By the why wind noise is normal as they haven't come with a fix yet.
David R