Jeep Grand Cherokee vs. Isuzu Trooper
PHILIP RICHARD LYMAN
I am comparing the 4 door, 4WD versions of both. No leather.
This past weekend I test drove both of them. In my opinion, the
Cherokee has the softer ride (I plan on about 1 off-road trip per
year so highway ride is more important to me.) and looks nicer.
The trooper has a passenger side airbag (my wife likes this feature
for some reason) and quite a bit more cargo storage. Although I did
not negotiate with the salesmen, I think I could get the Trooper
for a couple K less than the Cherokee. Would I give this savings
up later in higher maintenance costs or lower resale value?
I would like to hear some others opinions.
Thanks.
Robert Virzi
PHILIP RICHARD LYMAN <pl...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
>I am interested in how you would compare these two. [JGC v. Trooper]
>
>I am comparing the 4 door, 4WD versions of both. No leather.
>
I drove both while looking for a truck. The GJC was more plush, in
both ride and appointments. Others can tell you about the differences
between them in offroad. My story is different:
On the JGC test ride, my wife tried the radio. No dice. Nada. As
I'm pulling out of the lot, she says, "Hey, why does the tach read 0 RPM,
did you stall it?" No, I hadn't stalled it, but the entire dash was dead.
Nothing worked, not the speedo, the gas gauge, the trip computer,
nothing. Uhh Ohh, not a good sign, but we continued on, much to the
saledroids embarassment. About 2 miles down the road the car starts
to lose power and then >BAM< something lets loose in the engine. I was
barely able to coast into a gas station, but that brand new, no mileage
puppy was dead. She turned over once or twice, but she wouldn't go.
So how in the world does Jeep let crap like this off the assembly line?
Everyone has heard Chrysler products have reliability problems, and
Jeep is the poor cousin of Chrysler. In my opinion, this is ridiculous.
Needless to say, we didn't go jeep. (Disco if you care.)
I saw one guy from Jeep engineering on the net. Care to comment about
how this is a one in a million problem that could happen to any car
maker?
-Bob Virzi
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had very few problems. I myself drive a jeep, although it is a CJ, and I would
swear by jeep over isuzu any day. I have heard a lot of negative things about
the isuzu, mostly concerning transmission trouble. I am no expert, but that is
my two cents. Lemons happen in every make of every car once in awhile.
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S. M. Weems
> And I owned an Isuzu for a year. What a major piece of crap that was. Now
> I have a Toyota 4Runner. I'm a happy camper. Here in Fairbanks Ak. I say,
> get a Toyota if you can afford it. At -70F I want a car I can depend on!
an isuzu what?? it must not have been a trooper, or perhaps you got a
lemon, because my 91 Trooper does absolutely fantastic here in
fairbanks, alaska (its been here for 2 years - came up from texas).
those days this winter when it was -50F, i had no problem starting, and
even ended up jump starting my roommate's 94 pathfinder (talk about
junk....).
Have A Shiny, Happy Day!!
-weems
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Stuart Bobb
: I am interested in how you would compare these two.
Two significant disadvantages to the Trooper (I think)
1) Significantly lower torque than the Jeep. This means your real power
comes at highr rpms, this can be a minor annoyance or a major disadvantage
(in some offroad conditions)
2) No full-time 4WD option. Fulltime 4WD is a nice option for mixed road
condition driving. Of course that feature isn't free on the Jeep so I
agree you can probably get the Trooper for less.
As far as passenger side air-bag -- well, previous crash tests on Trooper
were mongo bad, so they sure needed some more protection, at least on the
drivers side!
I think if you check either crash test results or insurance injury claim
rates you'll discover that the Jeep GC protects its passenger very well, even
w/o an airbag.
I would expect Jeep GC to be a better highway driver than the Trooper but
don't have sufficient data to say.
The cargo space is a clear Trooper advantage. Also, previous Troopers have
had pretty good reliability records, if you believe CR FoR data.
Good luck!
Stuart Bobb
P.S. Blazer and Explorer might be reasonable alternatives, you might look at
both of them if you haven't already eliminated them from your list.
John Eickerman
wrote:
> On the JGC test ride, my wife tried the radio. No dice. Nada. As
> I'm pulling out of the lot, she says, "Hey, why does the tach read 0 RPM,
> did you stall it?" No, I hadn't stalled it, but the entire dash was dead.
> Nothing worked, not the speedo, the gas gauge, the trip computer,
> nothing. Uhh Ohh, not a good sign, but we continued on, much to the
> saledroids embarassment. About 2 miles down the road the car starts
> to lose power and then >BAM< something lets loose in the engine. I was
> barely able to coast into a gas station, but that brand new, no mileage
> puppy was dead. She turned over once or twice, but she wouldn't go.
>
> So how in the world does Jeep let crap like this off the assembly line?
> Everyone has heard Chrysler products have reliability problems, and
> Jeep is the poor cousin of Chrysler. In my opinion, this is ridiculous.
> Needless to say, we didn't go jeep. (Disco if you care.)
>
> I saw one guy from Jeep engineering on the net. Care to comment about
> how this is a one in a million problem that could happen to any car
> maker?
>
> -Bob Virzi
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My brother has a 94 Jeep GC, and at about 300 miles, maybe less, his wife
was driving it and something let go in the engine. Couldn't get it to go.
They demanded a new vehicle, and got it from the dealership. BTW, this is
from the V8. I am quite surprised that this would happen, and I do hope
that Jeep is working on fixing this. It looks really bad to have a brand
new Jeep Limited, without plates on it yet, go dead.
I am waiting for a Defender 90 as my off-road machine...maybe in ten years.
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Bud Kuenzli
> So how in the world does Jeep let crap like this off the assembly line?
> Everyone has heard Chrysler products have reliability problems, and
> Jeep is the poor cousin of Chrysler. In my opinion, this is ridiculous.
And I owned an Isuzu for a year. What a major piece of crap that was. Now
I have a Toyota 4Runner. I'm a happy camper. Here in Fairbanks Ak. I say,
get a Toyota if you can afford it. At -70F I want a car I can depend on!
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wl7cik
JHeight
with absolutely no problems! Consider Mitsubishi,Toyota and Nissan before
you buy,look around in this news group,check Consumers reports.
I've been "inside" this game for 25 years! Buyer Beware!
Mike Taylor
I had a good friend with one of the Isuzu Troopers '89 or '90 and had
nothing but problems. Nothing major until the end (late '93) but parts
cost was very high. Sold it when it started having sudden losses of
oil pressure but never did figure out what was going on.
In talking to the Isuzu dealer (looking for a SUV myself), I was told
that the Trooper is built from the ground up as a Sport Utility
Vehicle and is not made for any heavy duty off-road use and I should
go with the Rodeo if I planned to do much off-road which is built on
one of their truck chassis'. He seemed to be trying to be straight with
me and was not doing any high pressure sales games. Take it for what
it is worth.
I am looking at the Jeeps and the Blazer/Jimmy at this point.
Mike
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Lloyd R. Parker
: On 1 Mar 1995, Stuart Bobb wrote:
: > PHILIP RICHARD LYMAN (pl...@lehigh.edu) wrote:
: > : I am interested in how you would compare these two.
: > : I am comparing the 4 door, 4WD versions of both. No leather.
: >
: > : This past weekend I test drove both of them. In my opinion, the
: > : Cherokee has the softer ride (I plan on about 1 off-road trip per
: > : year so highway ride is more important to me.) and looks nicer.
: on the other hand, some of us very much love the boxy trooper look.
: in fact, i dont like the 92 and later trooper models because they made
: it more rounded.
: > : The trooper has a passenger side airbag (my wife likes this feature
: > : for some reason) and quite a bit more cargo storage. Although I did
: > : not negotiate with the salesmen, I think I could get the Trooper
: > : for a couple K less than the Cherokee. Would I give this savings
: > : up later in higher maintenance costs or lower resale value?
Not less than a Cherokee, and I doubt if you could get one for much less
than a Grand Cherokee SE or Laredo.
: dont hit anything, dont let anyone hit you, and it wont matter.
: > 2) No full-time 4WD option. Fulltime 4WD is a nice option for mixed road
: > condition driving. Of course that feature isn't free on the Jeep so I
: > agree you can probably get the Trooper for less.
: thats odd, i see mandatory 4wd full-time as a drawback as opposed to an
: advantage.
But Isuzu's 4wd is not shift-on-the-fly. Big drawback.
S. M. Weems
> : I am interested in how you would compare these two.
> : I am comparing the 4 door, 4WD versions of both. No leather.
>
> : This past weekend I test drove both of them. In my opinion, the
> : Cherokee has the softer ride (I plan on about 1 off-road trip per
> : year so highway ride is more important to me.) and looks nicer.
on the other hand, some of us very much love the boxy trooper look.
in fact, i dont like the 92 and later trooper models because they made
it more rounded.
> : The trooper has a passenger side airbag (my wife likes this feature
> : for some reason) and quite a bit more cargo storage. Although I did
> : not negotiate with the salesmen, I think I could get the Trooper
> : for a couple K less than the Cherokee. Would I give this savings
> : up later in higher maintenance costs or lower resale value?
dont hit anything, dont let anyone hit you, and it wont matter.
> 2) No full-time 4WD option. Fulltime 4WD is a nice option for mixed road
> condition driving. Of course that feature isn't free on the Jeep so I
> agree you can probably get the Trooper for less.
thats odd, i see mandatory 4wd full-time as a drawback as opposed to an
advantage.
> I would expect Jeep GC to be a better highway driver than the Trooper but
> don't have sufficient data to say.
i cant comment on the jeep, but the trooper drives very well on the
highway. it's no lexus, but if you want a lexus, then you shuoldnt be
driving a truck anyway.
> The cargo space is a clear Trooper advantage. Also, previous Troopers have
> had pretty good reliability records, if you believe CR FoR data.
i love having room for all my stuff (it puts my roommates pathfinder to
shame). i've also had no problems in the reliability area.
Lloyd R. Parker
: In article <3jhvcn$1...@moe.cc.emory.edu> Lloyd R. Parker,
: lpa...@larry.cc.emory.edu writes:
: >: thats odd, i see mandatory 4wd full-time as a drawback as opposed to an
: >: advantage.
: >
: >But Isuzu's 4wd is not shift-on-the-fly. Big drawback.
: Big misconception! Once you lock the hubs, you can shift on the fly all
: day long.
: Ivan
You cannot shift into 4wd at over 5 mph, according to Isuzu. When
shifting out of 4wd, you must stop and back up a car length or so. This
is with the automatic locking hubs.
Ivan Sever
>: advantage.
>
>But Isuzu's 4wd is not shift-on-the-fly. Big drawback.
Ivan Sever
lpa...@larry.cc.emory.edu writes:
>You cannot shift into 4wd at over 5 mph, according to Isuzu. When
>shifting out of 4wd, you must stop and back up a car length or so. This
>is with the automatic locking hubs.
According to an owner (me), once you shift into 4wd (below 5 mph) and
therefore automatically lock the hubs, you can shift in and out of 4wd on
the fly as long as you don't unlock the hubs by backing up in 2wd. If you
don't believe me, call Isuzu: (800)255-6727.
Ivan
P.S. If you do talk to them, would you ask them why is this such a secret
and let me know? Thanks.
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>From: cb...@mprgate.mpr.ca (Craig Bird)
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>Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee vs. Isuzu Trooper
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>> In talking to the Isuzu dealer (looking for a SUV myself), I was told
>> that the Trooper is built from the ground up as a Sport Utility
>> Vehicle and is not made for any heavy duty off-road use and I should
>> go with the Rodeo if I planned to do much off-road which is built on
>> one of their truck chassis'. He seemed to be trying to be straight with
>> me and was not doing any high pressure sales games. Take it for what
>> it is worth.
>Hmmmm, that doesn't sound exactly right. From what I have heard, the Rodeo
>and Trooper have the identical frame (check the wheelbase, they're the same).
>The Rodeo has chassis components borrowed from the pre-'95 Jimmy's, - nothing
>Isuzu about it, GM diff's, and suspension components. As far as offroad
>ability, the Rodeo has a firm ride, and limited suspension travel for offroad
>use. From what I have heard, the Trooper performs slightly better offroad.
>Durability, however, may be another issue.
>C. Bird
The salesman may actually have been trying to be honest - it wouldn't be the
first time a salesman had his head up his you know what with out even knowing
it.
S. M. Weems
are you sure about this ivan? being able to disengage 4wd on the fly
would be useful. i know you can engage it on the fly...i tried once
when i got hit with a hail storm in Calgary..the awful grinding made my
ears twinge.
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S. M. Weems
> >Hmmmm, that doesn't sound exactly right. From what I have heard, the Rodeo
> >and Trooper have the identical frame (check the wheelbase, they're the same).
> >The Rodeo has chassis components borrowed from the pre-'95 Jimmy's, - nothing
> >Isuzu about it, GM diff's, and suspension components. As far as offroad
> >ability, the Rodeo has a firm ride, and limited suspension travel for offroad
> >use. From what I have heard, the Trooper performs slightly better offroad.
> >Durability, however, may be another issue.
i agree...my trooper does awesome off road. well, it did before i blew the
engine.
Ivan Sever
Weems, fss...@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu writes:
>> According to an owner (me), once you shift into 4wd (below 5 mph) and
>> therefore automatically lock the hubs, you can shift in and out of 4wd on
>> the fly as long as you don't unlock the hubs by backing up in 2wd. If you
>> don't believe me, call Isuzu: (800)255-6727.
>> Ivan
>> P.S. If you do talk to them, would you ask them why is this such a secret
>> and let me know? Thanks.
>
>are you sure about this ivan? being able to disengage 4wd on the fly
>would be useful. i know you can engage it on the fly...i tried once
>when i got hit with a hail storm in Calgary..the awful grinding made my
>ears twinge.
>
Yeah. You have to stop to put in. But after that, you can shift in and
out without grinding the gears - until you back up in 2wd.
Disclaimers: This is true for the post-92 Troopers (don't know about
other years or models)
Use the clutch (don't know about automatics)
Ivan
MKJohnson
rec.autos.4x4 has a pretty good covering of AWD units.....
Craig Bird (cb...@mprgate.mpr.ca) wrote:
: > In talking to the Isuzu dealer (looking for a SUV myself), I was told
: > that the Trooper is built from the ground up as a Sport Utility
: > Vehicle and is not made for any heavy duty off-road use and I should
: > go with the Rodeo if I planned to do much off-road which is built on
: > one of their truck chassis'. He seemed to be trying to be straight with
: > me and was not doing any high pressure sales games. Take it for what
: > it is worth.
: Hmmmm, that doesn't sound exactly right. From what I have heard, the Rodeo
: and Trooper have the identical frame (check the wheelbase, they're the same).
: The Rodeo has chassis components borrowed from the pre-'95 Jimmy's, - nothing
: Isuzu about it, GM diff's, and suspension components. As far as offroad
: ability, the Rodeo has a firm ride, and limited suspension travel for offroad
: use. From what I have heard, the Trooper performs slightly better offroad.
: Durability, however, may be another issue.
: C. Bird
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>I saw one guy from Jeep engineering on the net. Care to comment about
>how this is a one in a million problem that could happen to any car
>maker?
>
I don't know about one in a million, but I've been driving a '95 JGC for six
months now and I like it plenty. I get off the pavement pretty often in rough
South American terrain. No problems yet. Know three other people here with
JGCs and I haven't heard anything but raves from them. Larry Memmott
Christoph Ozdoba
"Rolex vs. Casio" to me ...
(though I admit I`m not objective on this subject ... ;-) )
In road test published in Europe, the usual comparison is
"Grand Cherokee vs. Range Rover" . What else ???
Chris
(Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited V8)
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Ross D. Hubbard
: In article <3iv7o1$d...@ceylon.gte.com>, rv...@harvey.gte.com (Robert Virzi) says:
:
: >I saw one guy from Jeep engineering on the net. Care to comment about
: >how this is a one in a million problem that could happen to any car
: >maker?
All I know is that the Trooper os so overpriced for what it has to offer, especially the engine
Ross
Paul A. Nagi
>drag races, but it has been more than adequate in many places. Admittedly, I
The other thing to remember is that it takes time to get used to the high output
type Japanese engines (power curve peaks at a higher RPM) versus the big
horsepower American engines that you run at lower RPMs. It took me a while,
but now I'm used to it and I have pulled a 5000 lb trailer with no problem,
and without worrying about winding the engine too much.
I agree the Trooper is very reasonably priced and I believe you get more for your
money once you start looking at the details. See how much it costs to upgrade
those 15 wheels and 235R15 tires that others come with, andf you'll see what I
mean. Also - I agree you have to buy for the occasion. I bought my Trooper
with offroad in mind more than onroad. My wife and kids HAD to be able to get
out of our house without me being around via a 1500' stretch of pure mud during
every spring thaw (that was our driveway!). That was the primary concern, with
the next most important being reliability.
Thanks
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Ross D. Hubbard
Gregory S. Youngblood (ze...@skypoint.com) wrote:
: >: >I saw one guy from Jeep engineering on the net. Care to comment about
: >: >how this is a one in a million problem that could happen to any car
: >: >maker?
: >: >
: >All I know is that the Trooper os so overpriced for what it has to offer,
: especially the engine
:
: Overpriced? A Trooper S (with Preferred Equipment and Appearance Package) is
: one of the cheaper vehicles, less than a comparably equipped Pathfinder, Grand
: Cherokee, 4Runner and so on.
:
: The Trooper's 3.2 SOHC engine is a reasonable performer. It won't win any
: drag races, but it has been more than adequate in many places. Admittedly, I
: would like to have more power, but as it stands, it sure beats the old 4runner
: engines.. I know several people that have 4runners who were upset about the
: lack of power under their hoods (with the v6).
:
: In the end, I have decided that each of the SUVs on the market have unique
: qualities that make them the perfect SUV for different people. So, it depends
: on your needs/wants which one makes the best sense.
:
: Greg
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>My advice is to get similarily equipped JGC and Troopers and compare the
price, and you will know what I mean by overpriced.
>
93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.0 liter engine, limited slip (??)
power windows, locks, tape player. Regular Laredo package.
93 Isuzu Trooper S with appearance package and preferred equipment,
power windows, locks, mirrors, retractable outside mirrors, CD Player,
limited slip, 16" wheels with alloy rims, power/winter mode tranny,
etc.
This is exactly what my best friend and I bought. He got the JGC and I got
the Trooper. I have more equipment than he does. His vehicle is lighter
weight and has 15 more horsepower (175 vs 190) and I think torque is (190 vs
225????). My trooper sticker says it weighs at or just over 5,500 pounds.
That weight and engine power differences mean the trooper is not as responsive
or as fast off the line. Other than that he loves his and likes my truck and
I love mine and like his. We each had different wants when we bought and got
what we wanted. :)
But more to the point, I paid around 22 (stickered at 25/26), and he paid
around 24 (stickered at 28).
Now who's overpriced? The difference in price is only about 2k, a negligible
amount admittedly, but it hardly implies over pricing.. plus keep in mind I
got more equipment.
Lloyd R. Parker
Your friend also got (or could have gotten for $200 more) a modern,
sophisticated 4-wheel drive system with shift-on-the-fly, full-time
capability, and automatic locking differentials. You could not.
Lloyd R. Parker
: >capability, and automatic locking differentials. You could not.
: This is true, though he told me the more sophisticated system was more like
: 1000 or 2000 more. He has the part time system, not the full time. Other
: than the shift on the fly that he can do and I can not the two are comparable.
: Just for the sake of fairness, he also has 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, which was
: an 800 to 1000 option on mine which I elected not to get. But, no matter how
: you look at it, the Trooper is between 2000 and 5000 less than a comparable
: JGC. What does a JGC Limited cost? (I'm curious). Oh yes, one more thing,
: he got a driver's air bag, I didn't.
What does a Trooper Limited cost? That's comparable to the GC Limited,
and the LS is comparable to the Laredo. The GC comes in 3 lines -- SE,
Laredo, and Limited -- and the Trooper now comes in 3 lines too -- S, LS,
and Limited. In fairness, why don't you compare the price of your bottom
line S to the SE instead of the Laredo?
My Consumer Guide and Pace price books list a few hundred dollars for the
full-time 4wd systems.
Gregory S. Youngblood
>sophisticated 4-wheel drive system with shift-on-the-fly, full-time
>capability, and automatic locking differentials. You could not.
This is true, though he told me the more sophisticated system was more like
1000 or 2000 more. He has the part time system, not the full time. Other
than the shift on the fly that he can do and I can not the two are comparable.
Just for the sake of fairness, he also has 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, which was
an 800 to 1000 option on mine which I elected not to get. But, no matter how
you look at it, the Trooper is between 2000 and 5000 less than a comparable
JGC. What does a JGC Limited cost? (I'm curious). Oh yes, one more thing,
he got a driver's air bag, I didn't.
My Trooper earns its keep. I've had it just at 17 months, I have 52,000 miles
on it. Its been exploring in the California mountains, the midwest
blizards/ice storms, Wyoming/Montana mountains and mud, not to mention It's
been from CA to Illinois and Texas to Minnesota. It will soon be travelling
to Pennsylvania. :)
Ross D. Hubbard
: In article <3p0c4e$io0...@pm1-16.skypoint.net>, ze...@skypoint.com says...
: >
: >the Trooper. I have more equipment than he does. His vehicle is lighter
: >weight and has 15 more horsepower (175 vs 190) and I think torque is (190 vs
: >225????). My trooper sticker says it weighs at or just over 5,500 pounds.
:
: people and max. cargo. The curb weight is 4210 (94 S model, I am looking at the
: manual). The JGC is 4000. There is a difference there but not a lot. The
: extra power in the JJC could help. But the weight is not really a big factor.
:
: Other general notes between the two:
: 10% more cargo room in the trooper.
: The JGC stores the tire in the cargo compartment.
: The trooper is part time 4 wheel drive with a 50 mph limit.
: The ramp articulation better in the trooper 430 verses 508.
:
: I chose a trooper because I liked the looks better. The only nits I have
: are the price of parts for the trooper and few other parts venders.
:
:
: Remember your mileage will vary.
: Chip Laughlin
: r...@primenet.com
I guess I have a biased opinion in that I have owned jeeps my whole life, save for a Ford Ranger, but I believe the Jeep, especially the 4WD and engine, is much better.
:wq
:
Robert Laughlin
Gregory S. Youngblood
>and the LS is comparable to the Laredo. The GC comes in 3 lines -- SE,
>Laredo, and Limited -- and the Trooper now comes in 3 lines too -- S, LS,
>and Limited. In fairness, why don't you compare the price of your bottom
>line S to the SE instead of the Laredo?
limited costs.
And, the LS comes with leather interior and other things (like headlight
wipers) etc.
Also, FYI, my S model with the option packages and things I have on it more
closely resembles the Laredo than an LS. If you looked at my friends truck
compared to mine you would see that. I'm trying to be fair and compare apples
to apples. It's hard, you can't arbitrarily (sp?) compare vehicles based on
model designation. To be fair, IMO, I was comparing vehicles with similar
options, interiors and configurations.
I would also be glad to compare a regular S model with a regular "SE" model
JGC.
The Trooper's LS is actually somewhere between a Laredo and a Limited from
what I've seen. And the Trooper Limited should compare with a Limited JGC.
Shel Belinkoff
: > The GC comes in 3 lines -- SE, Laredo, and Limited --
: > and the Trooper now comes in 3 lines too -- S, LS, and Limited.
Actually, the JGC is offered in a fourth model,
the Orvis Edition.
Shel Belinkoff
beli...@netcom.com
Stephen Lin
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Mine came in at just over 29K with lux leather seats and CD play. Just came in two weeks ago.
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Lloyd R. Parker
: Gregory S. Youngblood (ze...@skypoint.com) wrote:
: : > The GC comes in 3 lines -- SE, Laredo, and Limited --
: : > and the Trooper now comes in 3 lines too -- S, LS, and Limited.
: Actually, the JGC is offered in a fourth model,
: the Orvis Edition.
: Shel Belinkoff
: beli...@netcom.com
True, although technically the Orvis Edition is an option on the
Limited.
Dave Bargabus
>From: lpa...@curly.cc.emory.edu (Lloyd R. Parker)
>Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee vs. Isuzu Trooper
>Date: 13 May 1995 19:49:49 GMT
>Gregory S. Youngblood (ze...@skypoint.com) wrote:
>: >Your friend also got (or could have gotten for $200 more) a modern,
>: >sophisticated 4-wheel drive system with shift-on-the-fly, full-time
>: >capability, and automatic locking differentials. You could not.
>: This is true, though he told me the more sophisticated system was more like
>: 1000 or 2000 more. He has the part time system, not the full time. Other
>: than the shift on the fly that he can do and I can not the two are comparable.
>: Just for the sake of fairness, he also has 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, which was
>: an 800 to 1000 option on mine which I elected not to get. But, no matter how
>: you look at it, the Trooper is between 2000 and 5000 less than a comparable
>: JGC. What does a JGC Limited cost? (I'm curious). Oh yes, one more thing,
>: he got a driver's air bag, I didn't.
>What does a Trooper Limited cost? That's comparable to the GC Limited,
>and the LS is comparable to the Laredo. The GC comes in 3 lines -- SE,
>Laredo, and Limited -- and the Trooper now comes in 3 lines too -- S, LS,
>and Limited. In fairness, why don't you compare the price of your bottom
>line S to the SE instead of the Laredo?
>My Consumer Guide and Pace price books list a few hundred dollars for the
>full-time 4wd systems.
What is this, 4x4 comparo from a yuppy car and driver point of view? You guys
can sit and bitch about who's got the best cd player and the quickest power
leather seat adjuster while you wax and buff. Me, I'll compare from my
favorite point of view, the top of the hill. Wish you could make it, well
maybe not.
Lil-Guy
Gregory S. Youngblood
s...@ix.netcom.com (Daniel Smeski) wrote:
>In 5 years the Trooper will be falling apart in rust while the Jeep
>will be still in tact. Fact is that Japan is trying to cut back on
>anything they can because of the high Yen, and extensive rustproofing
>has been dropped. I lived in Okinawa, Japan, and I can tell you one
>thing - Japanese cars Have EXCELLENT engines that can live forever, but
>the bodies do suck.
>
Well- then I'm glad I have a 6 year rust warrenty.
:)
So my trooper will fall apart after 6 years. ;)
Its been my experience that any vehicle will rust out if not taken care of and
that if vehicles are cared for then rusting can be dramatically slowed down.
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Erik
> In 5 years the Trooper will be falling apart in rust while the Jeep
> will be still in tact.
Funny, because the Trooper has a better warranty than the Jeep. Not only
that it has been proven more reliable over the years. You can make such
claims all day but if this were true then Isuzu would give you a new car
to replace the one which fell apart. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Gregory S. Youngblood
>>full-time 4wd systems.
>
>What is this, 4x4 comparo from a yuppy car and driver point of view? You guys
>can sit and bitch about who's got the best cd player and the quickest power
>leather seat adjuster while you wax and buff. Me, I'll compare from my
>favorite point of view, the top of the hill. Wish you could make it, well
>maybe not.
>
pretty well.. about as well as most stock vehicles, with good tires.
Its done pretty good, though I haven't personally seriously abused it, I did
take it on a few trails.. wasn't too adventuresome as (1) I haave no winch,
(2) I as alone, (3) middle of nowhere, (4) no/bad/unreliable cellular service.
:)
Daniel Smeski
Vernon Pereira
>Gregory S. Youngblood (ze...@skypoint.com) wrote:
>: JGC. What does a JGC Limited cost? (I'm curious). Oh yes, one more thing,
>
>Mine came in at just over 29K with lux leather seats and CD play. Just came in two weeks ago.
>
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We paid 27K out the door (TT&L) for our '94 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD, 5.2L V-8,
Quadra-Trac transmission, Up-Country Suspension, fog lights, skid plates, power locks,
power windows, power moonroof, power mirrors(heated), 6-way power driver and passenger
seats, CD-player, 6-speaker AM/FM stereo with power antenna, Tow package (6500 lb),
3.73 rear axle with rear trac-lok differential, auto night/day rearview mirror,
anti-theft system, keyless entry system. More than what a limited has except auto
A/C and the painted body side moldings and the gold accents. We did not like the
painted bodyside moldings and the gold accents, so we got the Laredo package decked
out.
We had to order ours. Anyway, it is great and no problems with 14K miles.
/Vernon
'94 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD (5.2L V-8 - 14K miles)
'93 Toyota Camry LE (2.2L 4-cyl. - 55K miles)