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Jorell Hernandez

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Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

I call my 99 Wolfsburg Mozart or Wolfie sometimes.

Just wondering

Stupid question awaiting stupid answers.


//jorell

VWpowa

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Yeah i have a nick name for my car ..........her name is Gold
Digger...........you probably know why.........because its a
corrado.......hehehehe...........

Vwp...@aol.com
93 corrado slc
black w/ black leather
73,000 miles

moOker

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I just call my car dude...
or perhaps sometimes MR. GTI

Nathan A. Marentette

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My brother's rapidly aging '82 FI Rabbit goes
by the name of 'Golgameth the Destroyer'. I
call it Percy, myself. :-)

David Marriner

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My nephew and I call my Rabbit "Go-car" which is rather misleading since the
name originally started out as "Es-Car-Go" :)

-David
f...@capital.net

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affleck . sdsu .edu

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sometimes i call my '89 gee-dee-eye (fast for GTI)

or, EGG. (she's white)

nate.

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:17:37 -0500, "Jorell Hernandez"
<johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:

(G)

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I used to call my 83 GTI B.O.B ( Beast Of Burden) only because it was a
beast to drive and a burden to keep running well ok it wasnt that
bad!! Guy

affleck @ rohan . sdsu .edu (Nate Affleck) wrote in message
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Ted L.

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I had a 1985 GTI that all my high school friends used to call "The Iron
Stallion". I guess because they all owned disposable cars.. cars that
don't last over 100K!
--
Ted L.
"Never underestimate the power of positive thinking!"

Patrick Schmidt

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arrest-me-mobile


Oran Sands

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>Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

'83 GTI w/150hp "Hammer of the Gods"

Pablo Veramendi

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I call my '90 Jetta GL - Baron
short for The Baron
short for The Red Baron
Was just listening to Tori Amos one night and it dawned on me! :)

-Pablo
Baron: '90 Jetta 8v (Short Shift, K&N, Mobil 1) (Maroon, close enough to
red!:)
Not installed, YET: Dual Oulet manifold/downpipe, TT highflow cat, TT SS
cat-back exhaust, HOR Springs.

Nathan A. Marentette wrote in message <36C1CA25...@mnsi.net>...


>My brother's rapidly aging '82 FI Rabbit goes
>by the name of 'Golgameth the Destroyer'. I
>call it Percy, myself. :-)
>
>Jorell Hernandez wrote:
>

>> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>>

Dave Hobbs

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In article <79saqj$953$1...@news.usf.edu>, "Jorell Hernandez"
<johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:

> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>
> I call my 99 Wolfsburg Mozart or Wolfie sometimes.
>
> Just wondering
>
> Stupid question awaiting stupid answers.
>
>
> //jorell

85 GLi: The sh#tbox

89 Fox: the bitch, the POS, that thing living in my garage, the moneypit,
"the red car", ticketmobile, and previous to the GLi: the sh#tbox.

andy

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Kris Rayner

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My '81 is the Orange Beast, or as some of my friends call it, the Private
Lee
My '84 is the Silver Bullet.

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1984 VW Scirocco
1981 VW Scirocco S - Soon to be a 16V :)-
"I do nothing in moderation but work."
-Charles Dickens
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Pablo Veramendi wrote in message <79sts3$1...@news.acns.nwu.edu>...


>I call my '90 Jetta GL - Baron
>short for The Baron
>short for The Red Baron
>Was just listening to Tori Amos one night and it dawned on me! :)
>
>-Pablo
>Baron: '90 Jetta 8v (Short Shift, K&N, Mobil 1) (Maroon, close enough to
>red!:)
>Not installed, YET: Dual Oulet manifold/downpipe, TT highflow cat, TT SS
>cat-back exhaust, HOR Springs.
>
>Nathan A. Marentette wrote in message <36C1CA25...@mnsi.net>...
>>My brother's rapidly aging '82 FI Rabbit goes
>>by the name of 'Golgameth the Destroyer'. I
>>call it Percy, myself. :-)
>>

Pencilneck

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Jorell Hernandez wrote:

> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>

MP4130, a play on 2 things... MP3, the audio layer of MPEGs, I'm putting
a MP3 juke box into my car complete with 6" color TV. The 4130 come
from a type of metal used to make BMX bikes.

Other times I call it, "dear Lord, please don't let some moron crash
into this car".

--
Pencilneck blah blah blah
ASE Certified Steering and Suspension
ASE Certified Brakes

Custom H2O VW gauge overlays at:
http://user.icx.net/~penclnck

penc...@icx.net penc...@hotmail.com
ICQ# 1805045

Kevin Rhodes

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In article <79saqj$953$1...@news.usf.edu>, "Jorell Hernandez" <johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:

My French ladies have names:

Claudette is an 85 Peugeot 505S TD
Babette is aa 92 Peugeot 505 SW8

I also am the keeper of Freddy the Triumph Spitfire

Oddly enough, my 84 VW Jetta GLI tha I love dearly does not have a name - it's
just the Jetta (or often "that ^&*^*&^** Jetta")

Kevin Rhodes
Portland Maine


>Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>

ERIC MORIN

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I call mine "The Rainbow Warrior" , every bodypanel is a differrent
colour!, Eastern Canada : lots of salt on roads = lots of rust!
On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:52:10 GMT, ps...@usa.net (moOker) wrote:

>
>I just call my car dude...
>or perhaps sometimes MR. GTI
>

>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:17:37 -0500, "Jorell Hernandez"
><johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:
>

Gabe

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"Cabzilla"

Gabe
91 2.0 cabbie

CCastle16V

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I call my '88 Scirocco.....Reisesser. I'm not sure if this is even a word
(German), but it sounds cool. If you type in Rice-Eater in the online
translaters it gives you Reisesser.


Craig Castle
First Real Estate
(205) 823-1133
"Call for all of your home selling, buying, and relocation needs"

Stephen

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My cars name is just the plain old boring "Beast" - its a 79 golf diesel
with a beastly 52HP or so,
hehe
Peter

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erict...@earthling.net

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Jorell Hernandez wrote:

> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

Chopsticks. Coz I'm always eating rice with it. :)

el
98 Black GTI VR6 I Eat Rice Edition

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cor...@usdl.com

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In article <79saqj$953$1...@news.usf.edu>,

"Jorell Hernandez" <johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:
> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

here's a few. the first 1 is mine. the next three were mine. the rest are
friend's:

"little fast one" ----> 86 16V scirocco

"cyclops" ----> 81 scirocco S (monowiper....)

"the slow broken wonder" ----> 80 fiat X1/9 (most often uttered phrase when i
owned this car..."hurry up before it breaks down again!!")

"gritty" ----> 79 fiat X1/9 (no synchros in ANY gear)


"white lightening" ----> 89 subaru DL (it's white and slow)

"ophelia" ----> 86 ford tempo

"pete" ----> 74 bmw 2002 (i swear it looked like a "pete")

"zippy" ----> 75 honda CVCC (weber, 5 (4?) speed)


chris
86 16V scirocco

Terry

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Pencilneck wrote:

>
> Jorell Hernandez wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
> >
>
> MP4130, a play on 2 things... MP3, the audio layer of MPEGs, I'm putting
> a MP3 juke box into my car complete with 6" color TV. The 4130 come
> from a type of metal used to make BMX bikes.
>
> Other times I call it, "dear Lord, please don't let some moron crash
> into this car".
>
> --
> Pencilneck blah blah blah
> ASE Certified Steering and Suspension
> ASE Certified Brakes
>
> Custom H2O VW gauge overlays at:
> http://user.icx.net/~penclnck
>
> penc...@icx.net penc...@hotmail.com
> ICQ# 1805045


I named my 80 diesel Rabbit "quad" after my SE RACING Quadangle(reynolds
531 not the 4130 type) because thats about how many directions my
fingers bend to change #1+2 glow plugs

my 85 Cabbie is "DAMMIT" is having 'lectrical problems again!

Terry

Jodi L Poniewaz

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'80 rabbit named Idz Tam (means "go there" in Polish)

when he breaks down or needs a jump start i like to say "Idz Tam won't
IDZ!" or even better, "the rabbit died..."

i also had a 72 super beetle named Harvey (Harvey the Wonder Bug)

and we had an '89 golf named Farley (short for Farvegnugen) which is why
all golfs to me are Farley Cars and a jetta is a farley-car-with-a-butt

:)


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<*> poni...@andrew.cmu.edu <*>
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VSciroccoW

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"Jorell Hernandez" <johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:
> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?


Yeah, I named my 87 Scirocco 16V "BITCH". I usually say that while I am racing
or working on it.

Ben

Scott King

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I've never really understood the whole "naming your car" thing, but
I do occasionally refer to my car as "bitch" or "baby" on it's good and
bad days respectivly. Other than that....umm....no nicknames.

Scott
'87 GTi

Jorell Hernandez wrote:

> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>

DANNY JIMENEZ

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my yellow cabriolet is nicknamed the "KILLABEE" you can see my car
on the
H2O Cooler page...

http://members.tripod.com/~midees1/RAP/if-i-ruled-the-world.mid


Dan Edmunds

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Oh jeeez!! You people sound like all of those, those, those...... MIATA
folks!! It's all just too F'ing cute for me. I call my car "my car."

Dan

Scott King wrote:

> I've never really understood the whole "naming your car" thing,
>

Baur323

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Please note the sig, you'll know why I call my car(s) "The money pit." (I can
only drive one at a time.)

-ray

73 Porsche 914 1.7L (Car in a box)
80 BMW 323i
8? Opel (GT-4 SCCA)
85 Saab 900Turbo
91 VW Jetta GL

"When the the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
-Hunter S. Thompson

"There is no long way in a fast car."
-Gene-Dog

Soil-Mat Engineers (Steve Sears)

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My 1980 Audi 5kS: The "Panzer" (German for "Tank") - dubbed so by my dad
(Honda driver)

Mom&Dad's 1982 Honda Civic Wagon - "Little Brown Spud" or "the Spud" -
dubbed so by my friend as that "Little Red Corvette" song played on the
radio (aptly named - had the guts of a PEI 'tater) - the name stuck until
its sale at a yard sale for $40.

Steve Sears
1980 Audi 5kS

Adam Bogucki

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> Oh jeeez!! You people sound like all of those, those, those...... MIATA
> folks!! It's all just too F'ing cute for me. I call my car "my car."

While my car doesn't go by its nickname all the time, I think it
deserves to have a name since it has never let me down and I enjoy
driving it :) It's not like I talk to it ... well, when we're taking on
other cars, maybe :)

Adam
92 Fox
aka "The Adamobile II"
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Adam Bogucki

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> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

Of course!! :) My 1992 Fox is known as "The Adamobile II", and my
previous car, a 1988 Fox was the original "Adamobile". I also tend to
think of my Fox as a guy, rather than a girl.. I don't know why.

Adam
92 Fox

Adam Bogucki

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> '80 rabbit named Idz Tam (means "go there" in Polish)

Śmieszne!! Ciekawe ile ludzi zrozumie to po polsku...



> when he breaks down or needs a jump start i like to say "Idz Tam won't
> IDZ!" or even better, "the rabbit died..."
>
> i also had a 72 super beetle named Harvey (Harvey the Wonder Bug)
>
> and we had an '89 golf named Farley (short for Farvegnugen) which is why
> all golfs to me are Farley Cars and a jetta is a farley-car-with-a-butt

That's funny! :)

Adam
92 Fox
"The Adamobile II"

TRamian

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>Śmieszne!! Ciekawe ile ludzi zrozumie to po polsku...
>

Ja tez bym chcial wiedziec.

DEZLBOY

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Adam Bogucki wrote in message <36C46CA5...@interlog.com>...

>> Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?

I think picking a car nickname might be one of those things that just
happen. You don't pick out a pet name for your sweetheart from a list or
after making a long and hard decision. Pet names just sort of bubble up out
of nowhere.

That being said, the nickname of my future purchase (Golf TDI) just might be
"Gunter"

[DEZLBOY]

Andre

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Pewnie sie znajdzie pare osob.
Pozdrowionka!

TRamian napisał(a):

Oliver & Christie

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I call my one 'hopple flea' ....
black, deep (Koni-yellow-adjust at: very hard) running on modi6
with G60-Supercharger swap (comes with a main-toothed belt drive-bolt on
Kit!)
(The G40 did not least long after rebuild in Wolfsburg, and since THEY ran
OUT OF G40-PARTS,
overthere in Wolfsburg, that will you do... :)


Hey, Guys- what about STICKERS...?!?
You know, little stuff that makes you smile, anybody got some?

Like this one: GERMAN
...wer Scheisse frisst, und Popel kaut-
Der auch faehrt was OPEL baut....!!!

Oran Sands <o...@sandersnet.com> wrote in message
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>>Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
>

>'83 GTI w/150hp "Hammer of the Gods"
>
>

James...the NCon4Myst

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I call my '98 GTI "BlackBird"...like the Legendary SR-71 Spyplane! So
fassttt, or sometimes FatBoy cause...well it kinda resembles a fat boy! My
two sons just call it "...Dad's CoolCar..."!

Peace,
James...the NCon4Myst
VW...4DO...For Drivers Only,'Cause if it aint' a VW, you're just riding!
'98 GTI..."BlackBird"

Jim

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Bloody Viking you really need to get the meds adjusted or spend less time at
the Army/Navy store. Good post though, it started out fairly calm and then
escalated to a good laugh. I don't name the cars so much as refer to them by
classification. The Golf is the Shuttle craft while the Minivan is the
Mothership. Having also been in the NAV, I can relate, some of the mil-spec
jargon is worth using in civilian life. I'm still using the phoenetic
alphabet ie.,Victor Whiskey.

Jim


Bloody Viking wrote in message <7b7h3k$jm3$1...@hirame.wwa.com>...
>Oliver & Christie <Olis...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>: I call my one 'hopple flea' ....
>
>I call my '87 Quantum the USS Millennium Falcon. I have named cars in the
>past too, like the previous car was the HMAS Belknap, a '95 Grand Am. It
>met its fate at the hands of The Repo Man in a voluntary repo. (HMAS ==
>Her Magesty's Australian Ship) Both of these cars were my post-Navy cars,
>in which I served on the USS Belknap, which met a fate as ignoable as the
>Grand Am: It was sunk on purpose!
>
>I had 2 cars before the Navy, but I only named one, a red '72 Ford LTD,
>which I named Christine. I now name all personal vehicles with engines
>like ships. Unlike ships with Navy people, I do not tack on a nickname on
>top of it like USS Belknap and "Belcrash". (The USS Belknap got into an
>accident with a carrier in 1975.)
>
>Just what do they call those car carrier trucks anyways? I think of them
>as road-going carriers! :) If I owned one, I'd probably call it the USS
>Deathstar. This brings up the topic of what one would name theoretical
>vehicles they could own. Consider these fun ones:
>
>A flying car: USS Pegasus
>
>An experimental motorised bicycle: USS Challenger
>
>A truck (single-piece): USS Timothy McVeigh
>
>A low rider car: USS Low Rider
>
>An extremely fast car: USS Cheetah
>
>I tend to start to imagine militariness with transportation! A really cool
>flying car could be the USS Tomcat! Think of a flying BMW Zed-3 Roadster.
>Now, that would be a cool Flying BMW. If the commuting mission for the
>flying car is to go into the inner city (with Kevlar armour) it could be
>the USS Intruder. Naming of cars gets like accent theory a la my wierd web
>page about that topic. ( http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/Accent_Theory.html )
>
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Bloody Viking

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Bloody Viking

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James...the NCon4Myst <NCon...@aol.com> wrote:

: I call my '98 GTI "BlackBird"...like the Legendary SR-71 Spyplane! So


: fassttt, or sometimes FatBoy cause...well it kinda resembles a fat boy! My
: two sons just call it "...Dad's CoolCar..."!

Cool! I'd reserve that name for a car that's real fast and outfitted to be
radar-invisible. That name would be great for an old cop car painted with
stealth paint and the car outfitted to help foil LIDAR as well. Of course,
it would have to be black too. :) My '87 Quantum is the USS Millennium
Falcon. I hope it's Y2K-compatible!

Have you got vanity plates saying "SR-71" and painted them to be non-
retroreflective to foil LIDAR? Nice militaristic name you chose for your
car.

Steve Kradel

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On 27 Feb 1999 01:17:40 GMT, Bloody Viking <nos...@tekka.wwa.com> wrote:
>
>A flying car: USS Pegasus

Flying, amphibious, nuclear car? USSN Flying Fish.
(Worthwhile purely because this is an actual sub. Although to my
knowledge it does not fly.)

Steve

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i am stv-at-ot-dot-com.


J999w

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<< Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars? >>


"Rolf the Golf" ('86 Alpine white - retired)

"Rusty" or "Suzy Isuzu" ('85 Trooper - retired)

No name for my current '87 Gti 16v yet. "J.Dub's V Dub" ??

jw
John Wilke
Milwaukee

Bruno and Kristen Hachey

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My Chrysler 300M: (I call it Queen Victoria)
The new Beetle: (Bugsy)


VeedubVR6

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RUFUS

gregg
95 GTI VR6


Bloody Viking

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Jim <ji...@howfast.net> wrote:

: Bloody Viking you really need to get the meds adjusted or spend less time at


: the Army/Navy store. Good post though, it started out fairly calm and then
: escalated to a good laugh. I don't name the cars so much as refer to them by

I don't hang out with vets or go to surplus stores. :) Glad to see you
enjoyed the posting.

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Entrpnr

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my G60 corrado has adapted the nick "fucking piece of shit". as in... i hate
this fucking piece of shit! getting better though, i'll have it back from the
VR6 swap soon!


Chace88

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"barbara the bitch"

chace cupid
94 jetta gl

hurric...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <02pw2.181$6d6...@newsr2.maine.rr.com>,
im1000...@sprynet.com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:
> In article <79saqj$953$1...@news.usf.edu>, "Jorell Hernandez"
<johe...@suntan.eng.usf.edu> wrote:
>
> My French ladies have names:
>
> Claudette is an 85 Peugeot 505S TD
> Babette is aa 92 Peugeot 505 SW8
>
> I also am the keeper of Freddy the Triumph Spitfire
>
> Oddly enough, my 84 VW Jetta GLI tha I love dearly does not have a name -
it's
> just the Jetta (or often "that ^&*^*&^** Jetta")
>
> Kevin Rhodes
> Portland Maine

>
> >Do any of you guys have any nicknames for your cars?
> >
> >I call my 99 Wolfsburg Mozart or Wolfie sometimes.
> >
> >Just wondering
> >
> >Stupid question awaiting stupid answers.
> >
> >I have a bright yellow MG BGT which I call the Yellow Peril My wife on the
other hand calls it her Little Sun Flower because of its registration letters
LSF. Alastair Ayr Scotland
> >//jorell
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