A new VW Golf VR8 (V8) ???
Tom, BC
Bosmans Jurgen wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> Is there a V8 Golf in the future ?
>
> Jurgen
You never know!! Right now, they even have a VR5 that is up and
running in Europe. Why they chose to go one cyl. down the ladder I have
no idea, up one or two would make more sense. No???
Tom, BC
CARNIEHP
In article <3408AE...@bc.sympatico.ca>, "Tom, BC"
<thoma...@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:
>Why they chose to go one cyl. down the ladder I have
>no idea,
Weight and Space.
John
90 Golf GL
95 Golf City
VWNUT99
A German tuner has put a V8 from an Audi A8 into an Audi A3 with a claimed
340HP and a 0-60 of about 5 sec!! so the V8 CAN fit into the new Golfs
because the Audi A3 and the A4 Golf's are almost identical!!!
Justin...87 GTI 8v
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Jose F. Martinez
IMHO, a V8 is out of the question in Europe for that car segment. Petrol
is too expensive, and the V6 sucks quite a lot already. I'm quite an ig-
norant in mechanics, but I have noticed that engines in Europe tend to
focus on compression rather than pure size.
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VWNUT99 <vwn...@aol.com> wrote in article <19970831224...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
APGUSER
>V8 would be too big for a golf, even a VR8.... plus it would make it
>a toatally different car. and VW has never made a V8 yet....
Dr. Piech, Chairman of VWAG has stated publicly that VWAG will build a
high end VW to compete with the S Class Mercedes and probably equip the car
with an all new V12. The likelyhood of a V8 Golf is probably nil as the
weight and torque would be too much for the chassis. The VR6 is easily
boosted to 200+ HP so why complicate life with a V8? If memory serves Dr.
Piech did a stint at Porsche (Ferdinand Porsche was his grandfather) and
was one of the driving forces behind the 1,000 hp Porsche 917. The guy
loves to go fast but his job is to sell 5 million cars a year and I fear
the common folk who buy 1.6L Golfs do not share the horsepower lust of the
rec.vw.watercooled folks.
D.
Bernd Felsche
In <3408AE...@bc.sympatico.ca>
"Tom, BC" <thoma...@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:
>Bosmans Jurgen wrote:
>> Is there a V8 Golf in the future ?
> You never know!! Right now, they even have a VR5 that is up and
>running in Europe. Why they chose to go one cyl. down the ladder I have
>no idea, up one or two would make more sense. No???
Well, seeing that the new Golf is even bigger, you might be able
to squeeze in a VR7.
:-)
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Ashley Buck
a 2.8 VR6 in the boot!! It does 0 - 60 in 4.68 secs!!! and it goes like
you know what!! I've seen it run several times this summer at different
events, 4.68 is the quickest it's gone yet. The first time he ran it it
was 5.56 secs, so there have been some major improvements. I have taken
pics of it as well, but have not yet had the pics developed. When I do
I'll let you all know and will post them as JPEGS to whoever wants them.
Ashley.
zeek the geek
yeah, i've got a vr24 rabbit.
vr6 in front, vr6 in boot, and a vr6 in
each of the door panels, too.
boy, it hauls ass.
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Ashley Buck <ashle...@syntegra.bt.co.uk> wrote in article
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Ashley Buck
Tom, BC wrote:
>
> Bosmans Jurgen wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > Is there a V8 Golf in the future ?
> >
>
> You never know!! Right now, they even have a VR5 that is up and
> running in Europe. Why they chose to go one cyl. down the ladder I have
> no idea, up one or two would make more sense. No???
>
Hi
Here in the UK we will not have this until Jan 98!! You can order it now
but you won't get it till Jan 98.
Just for your info!!
Ash.
Bruno Barbir
On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Ashley Buck wrote:
> APGUSER wrote:
> >
> > >V8 would be too big for a golf, even a VR8.... plus it would make it
> > >a toatally different car. and VW has never made a V8 yet....
> >
> > Dr. Piech, Chairman of VWAG has stated publicly that VWAG will build a
> > high end VW to compete with the S Class Mercedes and probably equip the car
> > with an all new V12. The likelyhood of a V8 Golf is probably nil as the
> > weight and torque would be too much for the chassis. The VR6 is easily
> > boosted to 200+ HP so why complicate life with a V8? If memory serves Dr.
> > Piech did a stint at Porsche (Ferdinand Porsche was his grandfather) and
> > was one of the driving forces behind the 1,000 hp Porsche 917. The guy
> > loves to go fast but his job is to sell 5 million cars a year and I fear
> > the common folk who buy 1.6L Golfs do not share the horsepower lust of the
> > rec.vw.watercooled folks.
> >
> > D.
> Here in the UK we have a VR12!! It's a VR6 2.9 Corrado in the front and
> a 2.8 VR6 in the boot!! It does 0 - 60 in 4.68 secs!!! and it goes like
> you know what!! I've seen it run several times this summer at different
> events, 4.68 is the quickest it's gone yet. The first time he ran it it
> was 5.56 secs, so there have been some major improvements. I have taken
> pics of it as well, but have not yet had the pics developed. When I do
> I'll let you all know and will post them as JPEGS to whoever wants them.
its a crying shame that ian birch (dubsport) had to ruin a perfectly good
rallye to make this overweight monstrocity i guess the rear suspension
was needed but i would much rather have a stock rallye than what he made
of one disgusting really :(
>
> Ashley.
>
>
Marc2365
>and I fear the common folk who buy 1.6L Golfs do not share
> the horsepower lust of the rec.vw.watercooled folks.
Who? It doesn't seem most people on this group are interested in
horsepower. Or at least, not real horsepower. 16+ second 8V's, 15-16
second 16V's and 14-15 second VR6's is the fastest I hear about. Where are
the FAST VW's?
Marc
86 GTI Tec II
Ashley Buck
Well if your that bothered why don't you start the ball rolling with a
fast GTI then?? :)
Ash.
Patrick Austin
Marc2365 (marc...@aol.com) wrote:
: >and I fear the common folk who buy 1.6L Golfs do not share
: > the horsepower lust of the rec.vw.watercooled folks.
: Who? It doesn't seem most people on this group are interested in
: horsepower. Or at least, not real horsepower. 16+ second 8V's, 15-16
: second 16V's and 14-15 second VR6's is the fastest I hear about. Where are
: the FAST VW's?
Personally, I'd prefer to have a light car that was a little underpowered to a
heavier car that was best in a strait line. If I wanted horsepower, I
would've bought a Mustang 5.0.....god knows it would've been cheaper to
maintain.
Randy Walters
cerk...@nbn.net (Peter Walsh) wrote:
>Hmmmm....... I dont think so.
>V8 would be too big for a golf, even a VR8.... plus it would make it
>a toatally different car. and VW has never made a V8 yet....
Sure VW makes a V8, they just use it in their Audi :-)
Rw
David Marshall
On 30 Aug 1997 18:18:42 GMT, "Bosmans Jurgen"
<Jurgen....@mail.skynet.be> wrote:
>hello,
>
>Is there a V8 Golf in the future ?
>
>Jurgen
Somewhere I heard that there is going to be a V8 in the B4 (1998)
Passat.
Time will tell!
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Marc2365
>Here in the UK we have a VR12!! It's a VR6 2.9 Corrado in the front and
>a 2.8 VR6 in the boot!! It does 0 - 60 in 4.68 secs!!! and it goes like
>you know what!! I've seen it run several times this summer at different
>events, 4.68 is the quickest it's gone yet. The first time he ran it it
>was 5.56 secs, so there have been some major improvements. I have taken
>pics of it as well, but have not yet had the pics developed. When I do
>I'll let you all know and will post them as JPEGS to whoever wants them.
4.68 0-60? For a 4 wheel drive VR12??? Now that's slow.
I'd expect 0-60 of 3 seconds and 1/4 mile times of bottom 11's at 125 mph
or FASTER!
Marc2365
>> >and I fear the common folk who buy 1.6L Golfs do not share
>> > the horsepower lust of the rec.vw.watercooled folks.
>>
>> Who? It doesn't seem most people on this group are interested in
>> horsepower. Or at least, not real horsepower. 16+ second 8V's, 15-16
>> second 16V's and 14-15 second VR6's is the fastest I hear about. Where are
>> the FAST VW's?
>
>fast GTI then?? :)
It's been rolling for a year or 2. My GTI runs 7.37 0-60 (no 1/4 times yet)
and it's an 86 8V with a STOCK 1.8L short block!!!! Just the other day I
beat a new VR6. But I can't seem to get any other fast VW's together
here in So Cal. It really sucks.
Marc2365
>>Where are the FAST VW's?
>
>a
>heavier car that was best in a strait line. If I wanted horsepower, I
>would've bought a Mustang 5.0.....god knows it would've been cheaper to
>maintain.
But more guys should be making their VW's produce some horsepower. That
is the fun part. People expect Mustangs to be fast. Who expects a little
ol' VW to be fast? That's why I've spent alot of money on my 86 8V. No
one thinks it's gonna give them an ass whippin'. And that's why I'm
keeping it instead of buying a newer car that is faster to start off with.
They have SOME hellified fast Honduuuuh's. Why can't more of us make our
VW's produce power?
Marc
86 GTI Tec II
"If it doesn't make it faster, why do it?"
Mike Stanley
Well, lack of funds is a bit of a problem :P
Mike - Broke
93 SLC - Fixed
96 GTi - Sold
Scott Simchock
I am afraid the VR5 does exist. Just check out www.passat.de and view the
engine choices. One of the options is a VR5.
Just my two cents,
SS
Yariv Cohen <ya...@compugen.co.il> wrote in article
<340EC00A...@compugen.co.il>...
> I live in europe and believe me!!! never heard of a VR5.
> It just doesn't exist
>
Yariv Cohen
I live in europe and believe me!!! never heard of a VR5.
It just doesn't exist
Tom, BC wrote:
>
> Bosmans Jurgen wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > Is there a V8 Golf in the future ?
> >
> > Jurgen
>
met...@fia.net
speed...@gtivr6.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >Just the other day I
> >beat a new VR6.
> heavily modified one). I'd like to race it. Then again, I went to school
> with a guy that thought his mom's subaru handled like a Porsche.
> Andy
> '97 GTI VR6
> >Marc
> >86 GTI Tec II
> >
> >
it is heavily modified. I've seen 1.8 liter rabbits smoke VR6's as
well--
don
AWE16VR6
Andy asserts:
><snip>
>>Just the other day I
>>beat a new VR6.
>Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen (and I owned a
>heavily modified one). I'd like to race it. Then again, I went to school
>with a guy that thought his mom's subaru handled like a Porsche.
>Andy
>'97 GTI VR6
>>Marc
>>86 GTI Tec II
First off, it's not nice to curse. Second, it's not impossible to beat a
newer VR6 with a lighter, modified A2. Up to about 110 mph the well
prepared A2 can give a very good race. I've built a 92 GTI 16V for a
customer that would give my modified 93 SLC fits up to 130mph. No kidding
& no cams, either! 3.94 R&P, Quaife, chip, exhaust, stripped down body,
and massaged stock FI. When he would go "street racing" he would pull 2-3
car lengths on all the stock VR6 GTIs present up to about 100mph, when
their larger displacement would show its muscle. Granted it was a 16V, but
it wouldn't be able to do that in stock form.
No offense, but a lot of VR6 drivers think they're the sh*t and really get
shown up by the lighter modified cars. If Marc turns a 7.37 0-60, that's
right on the money for a stock VR6 GTI. Put a good driver in the A2 and a
average driver in the A3, and give the nod to the A2.
Just my opinion.
Todd
Air & Water
VW Tuning
Ashley Buck
I live in Europe too and the VR5 is alive and kicking ass! It comes with
the new Passat and will be in the Golf IV that is available from Jan 98
here in the UK. Dealers are starting to take orders from Oct 97.
<snip>
>Just the other day I
>beat a new VR6.
Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen (and I owned a
heavily modified one). I'd like to race it. Then again, I went to
school
with a guy that thought his mom's subaru handled like a Porsche.
Andy
'97 GTI VR6
>Marc
>86 GTI Tec II
And with regards to this section of this posting I'm afraid that Marc is
right. Here in the UK a A2 8V GTI won the 0 - 60mph sprint at a summer
show this year with a 6.2 secs!!!!!! Thats quick!!!!
Marc2365
>>Just the other day I
>>beat a new VR6.
>Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
I'm in the So. Ca. area. I'd be happy to meet you.
Marc
86 GTI Tec II
PS: and yes, it is the fastest '86 you've ever seen.
Noisea
> it's not impossible to beat a
>newer VR6 with a lighter, modified A2.
or a modified a1.....
east coast is showing some strong muscle, lots of g60 conversions.
i have a g60 82 convert, and i raced a 84 gti vr6 (built by EIP), and the
owner wished he had just gotten a g60.. i dont understand the hipe with
this vr6 stuff, in my opinion, the vr6 just doesnt have that radical neck
snapping power curve of a well built four.... sounds really nice, though.
--tim
'82 motortechnik g60
Jan Vandenbrande
CARNIEHP wrote:
>
> In article <3408AE...@bc.sympatico.ca>, "Tom, BC"
> <thoma...@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> >no idea,
>
To avoid Euro taxation of engines above 2.2l? or 2.4l?
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Noisea wrote:
>
> owner wished he had just gotten a g60.. i dont understand the hipe with
> this vr6 stuff, in my opinion, the vr6 just doesnt have that radical neck
o Pulls like a locomotive almost from idle
o Very flexible engine. If you are lazy you can stay in 5 th almost
all the time. It's an "easier" to drive engine.
o Better throttle responce than a G60
o Revs high
o cool sound
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JJons50850
>>>>Just the other day I
>>>>beat a new VR6.
>>>Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
>>
>>I'm in the So. Ca. area. I'd be happy to meet you.
>>
>>Marc
>>86 GTI Tec II
>>PS: and yes, it is the fastest '86 you've ever seen.
>>
>NOS, turbo, or supercharged?
>Andy
>'97 GTI VR6
>
If ABD's 4cyl vw drag truck can run 12 s 1/4 miles, then why cant a
streetable 4cyl beat a vr6? The vr6's that I have seen at drag races run
mid 15's, wich isnt that fast.
JJ
Marc2365
>>>Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
>>I'm in the So. Ca. area. I'd be happy to meet you.
>>
>>Marc
>>86 GTI Tec II
>>PS: and yes, it is the fastest '86 you've ever seen.
>NOS, turbo, or supercharged?
>Andy
>'97 GTI VR6
None of the above. All motor with this one.
Randy Walters
Dunno Who:
>>>> Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
Actually, i've been in some n/a A2's that will KILL a stock VR6 car.
marc2365:
>>>I'm in the So. Ca. area. I'd be happy to meet you.
>>>Marc 86 GTI Tec II
>>>PS: and yes, it is the fastest '86 you've ever seen.
I'll meet you !! ( uh......on the autocross course that is :-)
Andy:
>>NOS, turbo, or supercharged?
Marc:
>None of the above. All motor with this one.
*******
Well that explains it, it's Electric Powered !! Electric motors
have a ton of torque and it's available from Zero RPM on up !
What kind of batteries do you run? What voltage? <J>
Actually i've seen Marc's car a few times and i fully believe
that it will beat a new/stock VR6 car.
Randy
85 GTi
86 GLi
afu...@vt.edu
In article <341bfb3f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Rand...@ix.netcom.__NOSPAM__com says...
>
>marc...@aol.com (Marc2365) wrote:
>>>>>>Just the other day I
>>>>>>beat a new VR6.
>
>Dunno Who:
>>>>> Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
>
>Actually, i've been in some n/a A2's that will KILL a stock VR6 car.
>
I rode in a 80 scirroco with a 2.0L 8V with an 84 close ratio tranny that will
keep up with probably beat a VR6. That was a fast car. Chris, if you're
reading this you could back me up about Justin's roco.
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Fredsplant
>>>>Just the other day I
>>>>beat a new VR6.
>>
>>
>>Marc
>>86 GTI Tec II
>>PS: and yes, it is the fastest '86 you've ever seen.
>>
>Andy
>'97 GTI VR6
>
>
>
he could just have a gutted out car and like p&p on the head, oettenger
intake, alluminum pistons, not too wild of a cam and headders....
the A3 cars are a lot heavier and will probably get beat by a A2 GTI set
up as such (not top end but like stop light to stop light)
AWE16VR6
>>Actually, i've been in some n/a A2's that will KILL a stock VR6 car.
>>
>
>I rode in a 80 scirroco with a 2.0L 8V with an 84 close ratio tranny that
>will
>keep up with probably beat a VR6. That was a fast car. Chris, if you're
>reading this you could back me up about Justin's roco.
>
Justin's Scirocco does about a 15.6 in the quarter, so he's not too far
off of VR6 times. Yet, get a strong VR6 with a good driver, and he'll get
smoked. I think he'll do a lot better with the G60 he's bartering with
Chris for.
Bernd Felsche
In <341bfb3f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
Rand...@ix.netcom.__NOSPAM__com (Randy Walters) writes:
>Marc:
>>None of the above. All motor with this one.
> *******
> Well that explains it, it's Electric Powered !! Electric motors
>have a ton of torque and it's available from Zero RPM on up !
>What kind of batteries do you run? What voltage? <J>
Odd... I don't thing the transmission could handle the infinite torque
from a series-DC motor. Unless you`'ve go one in each wheel hub.
Similar to the early cars designed by Dr Porsche when he was still
entranced by electrics (well into WW I). Absolute disaster in terms of
unsprung mass considerations though.
Still; ultimately, it's the melting rubber that provides the torque
reaction which loads up the `box.
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Christopher Taylor
In article <5vhjsi$5u3$2...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, afu...@vt.edu says...
>
>In article <341bfb3f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>Rand...@ix.netcom.__NOSPAM__com says...
>>
>>marc...@aol.com (Marc2365) wrote:
>>>>>>>beat a new VR6.
>>
>>>>>> Bullshit, then your '86 is the fastest one I've ever seen
>>
>>
>
>I rode in a 80 scirroco with a 2.0L 8V with an 84 close ratio tranny that will
>keep up with probably beat a VR6. That was a fast car. Chris, if you're
>reading this you could back me up about Justin's roco.
>
Yo, I'm readin'! Yes, this Scirocco S w/ a '96 2L 8v in it and a cam and
exhaust is very fast. He drag races a GLX recently and was next to him exactly
until 95mph when the GLX started to inch past him. This is no BS, and it's not
all that unexpected. Scirocco 1's weigh in at around 2000lbs, while the GLX's
are 3000lbs. Duh. It's not that hard to comprehend. This guy is taking my
STage III G60 in 2 months when I do my VR6 swap. he'll REALLY kicks some ass
then. Look for a Green scirocco I w/ the license plate "G60 JR" around
thanksgiving. He'll be blowing past my Corrado w/ '97 GTI VR6 transplant for
quite a while until I take a loan out for that turbo kit....
Chris Taylor
'90 Corrado G60
'97 GTi hit in the back (bought from junkyard recently)
'87 GLi daily driver
SXULDVEIGH
i want to use a jetta mk 1 for a vr 12, 1 in boot and 1 up front
Noisea
>He'll be blowing past my Corrado w/ '97 GTI VR6 transplant for
>quite a while until I take a loan out for that turbo kit....
>
>
he'll still toast ya.. keep the g60... sink your transplant money into
that.. some headwork, and a good 1.9 buildup will do wonders, believe me..
--tim
JttaBoy
There is no arguement when it comes to A1's and A2's beating A3's. My
Jetta 1 can give a VR6 with Schrick cams and Manifold absolute hell.
That's running U.S. bumpers and full interior. My Rabbit will weigh in at
so much less, it is hard to tell how much faster it will be (oh yeah, it's
getting a different motor, too, but that's a secret). There are a number
of 2.0 liter 8v A1's here that will take almost any factory displacement
VR6 until well into 3rd gear. After that, the VR6's say so long, but
considering it's a low displacement shoe box being pushed into the wind at
90+, it isn't suprising.
And as far as the VR6 Rabbits are concerned, when will people learn that
the VR6 is too heavy to put in a little car like that, and doesn't offer
any more power... Doesn't make sense to use one to me...
Jason
t.h motorsports
Aaron Fuchs
In article <19970917011...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, noi...@aol.com
says...
Chris has already spent plenty of money on that G60. It's not even close to
stock. I believe that this guy can do wonders with that VR6. Maybe his will
be the first 600+ hp EIP turbo VR6 in the world. Maybe, one can dream though.
Christopher Taylor
In article <19970917011...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, noi...@aol.com
says...
>
>>He'll be blowing past my Corrado w/ '97 GTI VR6 transplant for
>>quite a while until I take a loan out for that turbo kit....
>>
>>
>
>he'll still toast ya.. keep the g60... sink your transplant money into
>that.. some headwork, and a good 1.9 buildup will do wonders, believe me..
No, I *don't* believe you. And I'm tired of cringing every time I go over 6k
on my tach in my G60. One day that damned G-lader is going to put a dent in my
hood and anotherone in my wallet. I'm sick of waiting. I got a VR6 setup
extremely cheap and I'm doing that. I have the world of
possibilities....Supercharge...Turbo....3L....3.1L....headwork...Mix and match
any of these for a combo that will whoop an equally prepared G60. Why?
Because of displacement. 1.9L w/ XXX bolt-ons will LOSE against a 2.8-3.1L w/
the same bolt ons.
Duh.
Chris Taylor
'90 C G60
'87 GLi
'97 VR6 GTi bought wrecked
Noisea
>No, I *don't* believe you. And I'm tired of cringing every time I go over 6k
>
>on my tach in my G60. One day that damned G-lader is going to put a dent in
>my
>hood and anotherone in my wallet.
that conversion aint so cheap, either, besides, i make plenty of power
below 6,000 rpms why push it
I'm sick of waiting. I got a VR6 setup
>extremely cheap and I'm doing that. I have the world of
>possibilities....Supercharge...Turbo....3L....3.1L....headwork...
supercharger $2500
turbo $5000
bigger displacement isnt that like 5 grand too? hrmm.
Mix and
>match
>any of these for a combo that will whoop an equally prepared G60.
equally prepared? as in money spent? ok say you mixed and matched.. turbo
and displacement thats ten grand, plus labor, plus the cost of the engine,
and conversion good price $2500
for 12 grand, you can make a g60 walk past that 3.1 turbo.
period.
Why?
>Because of displacement. 1.9L w/ XXX bolt-ons will LOSE against a 2.8-3.1L
>w/
>the same bolt ons.
>
bolt ons.. theres your probem.. you prolly have a newspeed cataloge in
your back pocket right now, dont you?
>Duh.
>
>Chris Taylor
my bad.. BIGGER IS BETTER everybody knows that
--tim
Olaf Brescia
If you spent $7k on your motor on your Tech II
car and I spend $7k on my motor on my SLC..
you'll loose.
(i did have to pay more for my car new though)
- Olaf (93 SLC)
|#1| Wildfire
> >>He'll be blowing past my Corrado w/ '97 GTI VR6 transplant for
> >>quite a while until I take a loan out for that turbo kit....
> >he'll still toast ya.. keep the g60... sink your transplant money into
> >that.. some headwork, and a good 1.9 buildup will do wonders, believe me.
> extremely cheap and I'm doing that. I have the world of
> any of these for a combo that will whoop an equally prepared G60. Why?
> Because of displacement. 1.9L w/ XXX bolt-ons will LOSE against a 2.8-3.1
Sounds like a good time to get a 'Rocco and do a G60 transplant on it as
you do the VR6 transplant on the 'Roddo.
I think i'd love to do a G60 conversion on my 'Rocco. Have to get the
bodywork and transmission done first, then worry about upgrades.
I have to dream though...not like i'll ever be able to afford a G60...
Sean
wild...@albany.net
SYSOP: BOB'S WORLD BBS
creative ----> (Aschwin II Bhattoe)
SXULDVEIGH wrote:
> i want to use a jetta mk 1 for a vr 12, 1 in boot and 1 up front
I still think a Golf is beatifulererererer than a Jetta. And Two
engines do fit in a golf. You just need Einsteins brain to succeed
Marc2365
> There are a number
>of 2.0 liter 8v A1's here that will take almost any factory displacement
>VR6 until well into 3rd gear. After that, the VR6's say so long, but
>considering it's a low displacement shoe box being pushed into the wind at
>90+, it isn't suprising.
Yeah, I thought the guy would pull me on the big end also. Surprisingly,
I kept him at my rear 1/4 panel well into 4th when we lifted.
Jeff Nibler
|"#1"|Wildfire <wild...@albany.net> wrote in article
<3.34226CB7.|#1|.wild...@albany.net>...
The VR6 is a good motor, very elastic. It amazes me what these cars can
do both stock and modified (especially modified). I have a G60 A1
conversion that I did a few months back. It's fast and while the motor is
stock, I still get beat by slightly modified VR6 GTI's. Once I do some
upgrades to my car, it will beat them for the time being. The problem is,
G60's aren't the most reliable supercharger out there. When taken care of
(replacing the belt ever 50K, not reving the charger past 13k rpms, using
good oil changed often, not flooring it everywhere you drive) they will
last quite a while. But it is still a wear component that costs big bucks
to replace. Even rebuilt chargers are expensive. You are also running
quite a bit of Hp through VW's old 1.8L motor. They have done tricks to
keep it strong (forged crank, oil squirters in the block like the 16V,
specially heat treated head, better intake manifold, siliocone filled
exhuast valves, metal head gasket, larger wrist pins, lower compression
etc) you are still running more HP through WAY less bearing area.
Basically, there is a limit to what you can safely do with a G60 as far as
HP goes. With the VR6, you start out with much more diplacement, more area
for wear to go, more options. If you have the $, the VR6 motor is a good
way to go if you ask me. I'd feel much more comfortable running 300hp
through the VR6 than any VW 4cyl. Just my two cents!
Jeff Nibler
Jeff Nibler
Oops, not only did I mis-spell silicone, I meant SODIUM filled exhuast
valves!
|#1| Wildfire
> |"#1"|Wildfire <wild...@albany.net> wrote in article
> <3.34226CB7.|#1|.wild...@albany.net>...
> > > >>He'll be blowing past my Corrado w/ '97 GTI VR6 transplant for
> > > >>quite a while until I take a loan out for that turbo kit....
> > > >he'll still toast ya.. keep the g60... sink your transplant money int
> me.
> > > No, I *don't* believe you. And I'm tired of cringing every time I go
> over
> > > on my tach in my G60. One day that damned G-lader is going to put a
> dent
> > > hood and anotherone in my wallet. I'm sick of waiting. I got a VR6
> setup
> > > extremely cheap and I'm doing that. I have the world of
> > > possibilities....Supercharge...Turbo....3L....3.1L....headwork...Mix
> and m
> > > any of these for a combo that will whoop an equally prepared G60. Why
> 2.8-3.1
> > > the same bolt ons.
> >
> > Sounds like a good time to get a 'Rocco and do a G60 transplant on
> it as
> > you do the VR6 transplant on the 'Roddo.
> >
> > I think i'd love to do a G60 conversion on my 'Rocco. Have to get
> the
> > bodywork and transmission done first, then worry about upgrades.
> >
> > I have to dream though...not like i'll ever be able to afford a
> G60...
> >
> The VR6 is a good motor, very elastic. It amazes me what these cars
> conversion that I did a few months back. It's fast and while the motor is
> stock, I still get beat by slightly modified VR6 GTI's. Once I do some
> upgrades to my car, it will beat them for the time being. The problem is,
> G60's aren't the most reliable supercharger out there. When taken care of
> (replacing the belt ever 50K, not reving the charger past 13k rpms, using
> good oil changed often, not flooring it everywhere you drive) they will
> last quite a while. But it is still a wear component that costs big bucks
> to replace. Even rebuilt chargers are expensive. You are also running
> quite a bit of Hp through VW's old 1.8L motor. They have done tricks to
> keep it strong (forged crank, oil squirters in the block like the 16V,
> specially heat treated head, better intake manifold, siliocone filled
> exhuast valves, metal head gasket, larger wrist pins, lower compression
> etc) you are still running more HP through WAY less bearing area.
> Basically, there is a limit to what you can safely do with a G60 as far as
> HP goes. With the VR6, you start out with much more diplacement, more are
> way to go if you ask me. I'd feel much more comfortable running 300hp
> through the VR6 than any VW 4cyl. Just my two cents!
>
>
> Jeff Nibler
Never said that the G60 was going to be modded once installed in the
'Rocco. While I agree that the VR6 is a much nicer engine for the HP output,
methinks that 150 HP from the G60 will be more than enough to make the mouse
roar. It wouldn't be a racer, more like a daily driver with an attitude.
Plus the fact that the G60 is easier to fit into the A1 than the VR6 is.