2.0L G60?
Eric Bateman
The Rallye Golf had the regular 160hp G60 motor and syncro. The Golf
Limited was the 16v G60 fwd that put out something like 205hp. I think
that it looked like the regular Golf G60, and there were only something
like 73 built.
~Eric
91 Jetta GLI
Alden Cates wrote:
> Basically, you can't easily use the g-lader with another engine except the
> 1.6L or 1.8L 8v engine. The 16v engines have the intake on the "wrong
> side" to work with the charger in a Corrado, but there was a 16v Rallye
> Golf 16v G60 Syncro in Europe...
Alden Cates
<dan...@total.net> wrote:
> Has anyone tried to put a 2.0L ABA block in a Corrado G60?
The g-lader can't pump enough air into a 2.0L engine. VW used a G40
(smaller g-lader) in the Polo G40, the engine was 1.6L. VW uses a 1.8L
engine with a G60 in the Corrado.
The Corrado G60 uses an 8.0:1 compression ratio vs. 10:1.
Basically, you can't easily use the g-lader with another engine except the
1.6L or 1.8L 8v engine. The 16v engines have the intake on the "wrong
side" to work with the charger in a Corrado, but there was a 16v Rallye
Golf 16v G60 Syncro in Europe...
-Alden
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You would need to have a lower compression ratio.
Corrado is like 7.5:1 I think and ABA is 10:1 I think...
Jeff
CCastle16V
It'll work just fine....and has been done many times before. You just can't use
a 10:1 motor.
Alan Thomson
www.tsr-performance.com
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Alden Cates
ccast...@aol.com (CCastle16V) wrote:
Yeah, with a 62mm pulley (designed for racing) which is less then ideal.
You can expect extreamly short lifespan from the g-lader. The stock
pulley spins the g-lader at 1.6x the engine RPMs, the 68mm pulley spins it
at 2.2x the engine RPMs. The g-lader has a "redline" of 14,000rpms. So
with a 68mm pulley, at 6k rpms, you've reached 13,200rpms at the g-lader.
With the 62mm pulley you'll be exceeding that redline far before 6k rpms.
So yeah, it *could* be done, but even if you wanted to bore out the 1.8L
engine, it would be easier to only goto 1.9L and not the 2.0L for the
reasons above.
I was going to search the Corrado-L digests for some additional info to
post, but the search engine's down at the moment. I'll repost with
additional info if needed...
Alden Cates
<al...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> TSR Performance in the UK advertise 2.0L G60 conversions
> www.tsr-performance.com
Could you please provide the link, I didn't see a specific mention of the
G60 1.8L, just the regular 8v 1.8L engine.
Thanks,
Peter Tong
efficiency at different boosts?
peter tong
Alden Cates wrote:
> In article <19981214095607...@ng16.aol.com>,
> ccast...@aol.com (CCastle16V) wrote:
>
> > >The g-lader can't pump enough air into a 2.0L engine.
> >
> > It'll work just fine....and has been done many times before. You just
> can't use
> > a 10:1 motor.
>
> Yeah, with a 62mm pulley (designed for racing) which is less then ideal.
> You can expect extreamly short lifespan from the g-lader. The stock
> pulley spins the g-lader at 1.6x the engine RPMs, the 68mm pulley spins it
> at 2.2x the engine RPMs. The g-lader has a "redline" of 14,000rpms. So
> with a 68mm pulley, at 6k rpms, you've reached 13,200rpms at the g-lader.
> With the 62mm pulley you'll be exceeding that redline far before 6k rpms.
>
> So yeah, it *could* be done, but even if you wanted to bore out the 1.8L
> engine, it would be easier to only goto 1.9L and not the 2.0L for the
> reasons above.
>
> I was going to search the Corrado-L digests for some additional info to
> post, but the search engine's down at the moment. I'll repost with
> additional info if needed...
>
XHVex
20,000rpm redline which make the use of a 62mm ok. The noise is the only issue
thereafter.
S
Alden Cates
<rvb...@ursa.calvin.edu> wrote:
> Anyone have any idea what volume of air the G-lader pumps per rev, and the
> efficiency at different boosts?
>
> peter tong
Check out http://www.corrado-club.com/gallery/informational/index.html
then click the two G60 related info pages.
The g-lader uses 17.4hp at full boost and returns about 70hp stock. At
65% efficency, the g-lader is fairly efficient compared to 40% from a
Rootes type compressor.
Cruising at 40mph, the g-lader uses up 2hp.
Alden Cates
(Nuprn1) wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is true or not, i will ask TEC next time i deal with them
> in january.
>
>
> rich!
>
> >TEC upgraded bearings are used which have a
> >20,000rpm redline which make the use of a 62mm ok. The noise is the only
> >issue
> >thereafter.
Hmm, maybe it can if it's a 2RS or GT1 charger with the 62mm pulley or something
oh well *shrug*
I'm not getting either or a larger engine so I don't care :P
Nuprn1
Nuprn1
true...
>It'll work just fine....and has been done many times before. You just can't
>use
>a 10:1 motor.
true again..
but why would someone want to spend alot of cash to build a 2.0l? You would
need to build it from a 1.8l right? so thats alot of labor and shit for the
crank,pistons,etc...
just goto 1.9l, save the headaches of future leaks of oil and just buy some
lower compression 83mm pistions(i think its the size or is 83.5?)
rich!
soon to be 1.9 GT1, i just need to get my car to cali. any bets??
XHVex
are reffered to as UPGRADED bearings.
Steve
der Sultan of Multivalves
> but why would someone want to spend alot of cash to build a 2.0l? You would
> need to build it from a 1.8l right? so thats alot of labor and shit for the
> crank,pistons,etc...
>
> just goto 1.9l, save the headaches of future leaks of oil and just buy some
> lower compression 83mm pistions(i think its the size or is 83.5?)
>
> rich!
> soon to be 1.9 GT1, i just need to get my car to cali. any bets??
interesting........ I know of a G60 variation that runs a 2L audi block, and a
blower from a *gasp* FORD T-bird. After New Years it will have a custom
ignition, and be programable (sic) from a laptop on the fly. It looks like a
hack but will be fassssssst.
Anyone remember the scary Rabbit at Waterfest autoX?
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Steffen Spies
> The g-lader can't pump enough air into a 2.0L engine. VW used a G40
> (smaller g-lader) in the Polo G40, the engine was 1.6L. VW uses a 1.8L
> engine with a G60 in the Corrado.
- Polo G40: 1.3L engine
- VW Motorsport build an 2.0l 16V G60 Corrado, but I think they newer sold
one.
> The Corrado G60 uses an 8.0:1 compression ratio vs. 10:1.
Or more. The current 2.0L have around 10.5:1
> Basically, you can't easily use the g-lader with another engine except the
> 1.6L or 1.8L 8v engine. The 16v engines have the intake on the "wrong
> side" to work with the charger in a Corrado, but there was a 16v Rallye
> Golf 16v G60 Syncro in Europe...
Not a RALLYE Golf.
It was the Golf Limited. A Golf II syncro 1.8L, 16V, G60 210 HP 1781 ccm.
The RallyeGolf used a 1763 ccm engine with 8V.
All other Golf G60 (FWD and AWD) had a 1781 ccm engine.
You can use the intake of an Scirocco 16V. It has the intake on the other
side.
Steffen
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>
> If I may nitpick...
> The Rallye Golf had the regular 160hp G60 motor and syncro. The Golf
> Limited was the 16v G60 fwd that put out something like 205hp. I think
> that it looked like the regular Golf G60, and there were only something
> like 73 built.
The Limited was a syncro. with Around 210 HP
Dolimite79
Why would vw retort BACK to a 1.8 if 2.0's were already in production? Why are
the 1.8t's not 2.0t's? If you REALLY want more power out of a G60,Displacement
is NOT the way to go.With the $ spent you'd be better off w/a turbo system for
reasons of thermal efficiency,But the BIG "bottle-neck"W/the G60 is the
volumetric efficiency of the 8v motor.
Cheap/easy hp would be to raise the compression 1 point by using a "group A"
head gasket.(this will yield 10-14% gain on a forced induction motor)No being a
cheap skate at the pumps though, premium is a must.
Peter Tong
better than the stock 8v heads) neither do I know how much of a bottleneck the
stock head is and where things start to diminish per psi, but has anyone tried a
seriously ported head with the 1.8/2.0 G60?
Peter Tong
Nuprn1 wrote:
> >>The g-lader can't pump enough air into a 2.0L engine.
>
> true...
>
> >It'll work just fine....and has been done many times before. You just can't
> >use
> >a 10:1 motor.
>
> true again..
>
Alden Cates
<sp...@braintec.de> wrote:
> Alden Cates wrote:
> > The g-lader can't pump enough air into a 2.0L engine. VW used a G40
> > (smaller g-lader) in the Polo G40, the engine was 1.6L. VW uses a 1.8L
> > engine with a G60 in the Corrado.
>
> - Polo G40: 1.3L engine
> - VW Motorsport build an 2.0l 16V G60 Corrado, but I think they newer sold
> one.
Oh well, I was kinda close. Being as we don't get those and from what
I've heard they weren't all too common. I was only refering to it to show
VW used a smaller g-lader with a smaller engine, that's all.
> > The Corrado G60 uses an 8.0:1 compression ratio vs. 10:1.
>
> Or more. The current 2.0L have around 10.5:1
The '99 A4 VWs, but, the '99 A3 VW's 2.0L 8v engine the US gets uses a
10:1 compression ratio. (taken directly off VW's webpage)
> > Basically, you can't easily use the g-lader with another engine except the
> > 1.6L or 1.8L 8v engine. The 16v engines have the intake on the "wrong
> > side" to work with the charger in a Corrado, but there was a 16v Rallye
> > Golf 16v G60 Syncro in Europe...
> Not a RALLYE Golf.
> It was the Golf Limited. A Golf II syncro 1.8L, 16V, G60 210 HP 1781 ccm.
>
> The RallyeGolf used a 1763 ccm engine with 8V.
>
> All other Golf G60 (FWD and AWD) had a 1781 ccm engine.
>
> You can use the intake of an Scirocco 16V. It has the intake on the other
> side.
>
> Steffen
Yeah it was one of those silly little Golfs/GTis that NA never got :P
With all those Golfs VW started to sound like Honda and their EX, DX, LE,
LX, R, GRS, LimitedEdition, SpecialEdition, etc etc etc.
Jeeze, just pick a few badges and make the cars. (enough so more then a
small handful of people can enjoy them)
Ohh and while I'm bitching about stuff, bring over the damn Passat GLX,
Jetta GLX and Beetle GLX already. Stop jerking the customers around. I
had my mom sold on a Passat GLX *SYNCRO*. She wanted it in 5-speed, but
finally accepted the Tiptronic. When I told her about it, we went to the
Audi dealer and drove a A4q 2.8 5-speed. Now with the possibility of a
minor change with the A4 for '00 she said she's going to wait.
Hmmm.. wonder what would have happened if that Passat was available way
back when they were supposed to be....
<steps off soapbox>
Jeff1872
change to a custom set of pistons , and yes, the stock g-lader and pulley will
drive it just fine.
Jeff
roadsport seattle
Dolimite79
>my partner and I have built 2.0 g60's and know it can be done.. you have to
>change to a custom set of pistons , and yes, the stock g-lader and pulley
>will
>drive it just fine.
>
>
Do you guy's have dyno figures/1/4mi time,mph or just receipts?
der Sultan of Multivalves
Dolimite79 wrote
> Do you guy's have dyno figures/1/4mi time,mph or just receipts?
http://www.rapidparts.com/waterfest98/autoxwin.html
2L blown Rabbit won E-Mod.......it's puh-lenty fast!
Dolimite79
>
>
Not to be an ass but how fast is it?This isn't the guy w/the "ford
supercharger"that said it " runs 10's but i don't dragrace"Is it?
> Do you guy's have dyno figures/1/4mi time,mph or just receipts?
>
>
This stuff is ONLY to make an ACCURATE comparison,everything else is only an
opinion.
I hope nobody gets all uptight 'cause that is NOT my objective.
Dolimite79
WHAT WAS I THINKING? E-MOD? IS AUTOX ! THAT THING MUST BE FAST!!!! How much $
do i need?Should i give you a blank check?
Who needs proof when the car has OBVIOUSLY proved how effective a 2.0 G60 is
it's been AUTOX'D ! (i just couldn't let it go,i tried, i REALLY tried)When you
try to have a conversation based on facts and someone brings up crap like this
it's very frustrating.(But it WON an AUTO X ) (i thought that was ALL SKILL?
Weren't we talking about "POWER"?
der Sultan of Multivalves
> >>2L blown Rabbit won E-Mod.......it's puh-lenty fast!
>
> WHAT WAS I THINKING? E-MOD? IS AUTOX ! THAT THING MUST BE FAST!!!! How much $
> do i need?Should i give you a blank check?
<blah blah>
Yes it is the same guy. No he doesn't drag race it. He runs that crappy looking
Rabbit and does pretty well against much more 'powerful' cars.
sheesh looking at the time stamps it took you less than hour to churn out that last
post.
Dolimite79
>looking
>Rabbit
Oh my god ! THAT GUY WAS THE BIGGEST IDIOT I MET ALL YEAR !
He was telling me that car was "THE FASTEST WATERCOOLED VW IN THE WORLD!"
Our conversation went like this,
How ya doin' today?ok.
Supercharged huh? yup
i heard its an eaton from a ford?yup
Can i see it? nobody sees it.
Install isn't THAT bad is it? Its just a secret thats all.
Any dyno figures? Its got PLENTY of power TRUST ME.
Any 1/4 mile times? 10.53@126mph.
WHAT? Thats right
What 60ft times?(always stumps a LIAR) Not that good i don't get traction till
1/2 track and then its GONE!
Did anyone else see you run this? No
Do you realize if what you say is true you have THE FASTEST WATERCOOLED VW IN
THE WORLD? Yup.Drag racing isn't my thing though.
Dude do you realize how many thousands of dollars you could win if you just
raced it one season?Yeah but this (autox) is more fun.
Anyone w/ 1/2 a brain can see this guy was the biggest liar of recent times. I
walked away saying to someone "i've never met such a blantant liar that was so
old."
I hope i see him this year, Its always a kick to talk to a liar.
Nuprn1
>He was telling me that car was "THE FASTEST WATERCOOLED VW IN THE WORLD!"
that fastest watercooled vw is doing 7's or something like that in cali, shop
down the road from ND.. its on their webpage.
Dolimite79
hope nobody missed mt point because of that.