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Dolemite

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Mar 19, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/19/00
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I make no bones about being a fucked up individual,But Am I the ONLY one
that gets offended and almost enraged when the see a "Peace" sign? I hope
there's at least ONE other person like me out there.........hahahahaha

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Especially putting one on something as sacred
as my beloved Rabbit!!
Oh god no... *twitch twitch*

Taylor
80 Death Bunny

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goomfletch

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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Hello,
If anyone is intrested I have been making from aluminum a nifty little peace
sign that replaces the VW logo in the grill of you Volkswagen. right now I have
parts done for the Vanagon (the 3 3/4 dia) one and one for the 75-80 rabbit,
and the 86-92 Jetta/Golf if you are intrested in one contact me Via E-mail at
Goom...@raex.com you can view a jpg of a finished one at
hhtp://web.raex.com/~goomflet/nosepeace.jpg
these things are made from recycled plate and machines then polished to a
chrome like finish then powdercoated clear for long lasting beauty, I will also
powder coat red for all you GTI folks...Let me know if there is any intrest in
this group

Thanks Goomfletch


Ed Taylor

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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I'm with you. There will be no peace until I rule the world! :)

Ed Taylor
86 GTI

in2hoppn (formerly Jeff)

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Doesn't that sign really mean "Do drugs" ? Or, at least most people
associate it to that era more than a statement for peace!

Live long and prosper!

jonnyGURU

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It means "Do Drugs"?!?!?

Yo man... PEACE! PEACE, man!!!

jonnyGURU

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Is there some background to the peace sign that means something other
than Peace? I've heard it's a broken cross, etc.

What's up with that?

Lon Allen

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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Why would someone be offended by a peace sign? You might as well be
offended by the WalMart yellow smiley face. It is just a symbol. If it
were as radical a symbol as the swastica (SP?) and what it stands for I
can understand it, but the peace sign is supposed to symbolize something
entirely different (peace, love, togetherness...). I heard that the
peace sign was a broken swastica not a broken cross. Its the swastica
that I heard was a broken cross...

Now put one of those on your car and see what happens. I'm thinking
about just putting a Mercedes Benz emblem on my car. That will make a
few of them other drivers wonder "what the F&%$".

Lon

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T Berk

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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<sigh>

Are all you guys from the 1980s or something?

Peace sign means Peace,
not Do Drugs.

It's bad enough the Happy Face (I'm tired of it btw) now works
for WalMart.

TBerk

Terry Pearcey

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> Why would someone be offended by a peace sign? You might as well be
> offended by the WalMart yellow smiley face. It is just a symbol. If it
> were as radical a symbol as the swastica ......
>

The Wal-Mart yellow smiley face should be one of the most offensive things to
any one in the union brother(sister)hood!! The are one of the most radically
anti-union work places in NorthAmerica,which makes working conditions worse for
all of us!!

Just getting that off my chest, Terry

Lon Allen

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Sorry! Didn't mean to stir anything up. I guess I picked the wrong
symbol.

Maybe someone can explain the meaning behind the Mercedes Benz
emblem...It doesn't remind me of an "M" or a "B". Looks like a broken
peace sign if you ask me.

What about the Chevy Bow Tie? You telling me all the workers wore bow
ties to work or did you get a free tie with the purchase of a car or
truck? At least the VW and Audi symbols mean something (what you don't
know what the 4 interlocking circles stand for?). They created the
first Olympic pace car! OK: The union of 4 auto manufacturers (Audi,
Horch, DKW and Wanderer Automobile Department).


Lon

DriveSpy

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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>> The Wal-Mart yellow smiley face should be one of the most offensive things
to
>> any one in the union brother(sister)hood!! The are one of the most radically
>> anti-union work places in NorthAmerica,which makes working conditions worse
for
>> all of us!!
>>
>> Just getting that off my chest, Terry

Yep. The butchers unionized in that one store and now Wal-mart is eliminating
them in all their stores.

Ron P.

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Mar 20, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/20/00
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:
> I make no bones about being a fucked up individual,But Am I the ONLY
one
> that gets offended and almost enraged when the see a "Peace" sign? I
hope
> there's at least ONE other person like me out there.........hahahahaha


Is is any worse than pro- or anti-abortion bumper stickers? or Clinton
campaign bumper stickers? NRA, Jesus Saves, or the classic "You
Breed 'em, You Feed 'em" ?

Peace is peace, man.

As far as the signs, well, it doesn't bother me none but you'll *never*
see one on my car. And I will roll my eyes at the dorks that do have
them. But no rage. I'm peaceful. I saw the sign.

--
Ron
Owner of; tormented by "Teufelhasen" ('93 Cabby)
If it ain't foggy, TURN OFF YOUR FOG LIGHTS.


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Before you buy.

Opus-

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:43:27 -0500, Lon Allen <wl...@eci.esys.spam.com>
spake thusly:

>Sorry! Didn't mean to stir anything up. I guess I picked the wrong
>symbol.
>
>Maybe someone can explain the meaning behind the Mercedes Benz
>emblem...It doesn't remind me of an "M" or a "B". Looks like a broken
>peace sign if you ask me.

I am told that the three points of the MB symbol signify the 3 armed
services, since Diamler-Benz was a major supplier to all branches of
German armed forces...or so I am told.

>What about the Chevy Bow Tie? You telling me all the workers wore bow
>ties to work or did you get a free tie with the purchase of a car or
>truck?

The "bow tie" is actually sort of a panoramic view of the Swiss flag,
since Louis Chevrolet was from Switzerland.

--
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jonnyGURU

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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>
> Why would someone be offended by a peace sign? You might as well be
> offended by the WalMart yellow smiley face.

Now that IS offensive! WalMart sells crap and tramples the Independent
Business Man by tricking consumers into buying crap. ;)

BFDEIHL

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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>
> Is there some background to the peace sign that means something other
>than Peace? I've heard it's a broken cross, etc.
>
> What's up with that?

Dove foot print....

Actually, I lean more towards putting a gunsight on the front...

CARNIEHP

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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In article <38D64AE8...@sk.sympatico.ca>, Terry Pearcey
<imagin...@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:

>The Wal-Mart yellow smiley face should be one of the most offensive things to
>any one in the union brother(sister)hood!! The are one of the most radically
>anti-union work places in NorthAmerica,which makes working conditions worse
>for
>all of us!!
>
>Just getting that off my chest, Terry
>


Wal-Mart is not perfect -- Unlike what the stupid WM ads want you to believe.

WM, as I understand, is now lobbying hard for an Internet sales tax - in order
to protect the traditional WM stores.

Go to Target, or even better depending on where you live, go to such regional
places as Fred Meyer (Which has many Unionized Grocery Departments), etc...
Just "No" to Wally World!


John
95 Golf
90 Golf

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Bob

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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Peace. What could *possibly* be wrong with that? Some of you people
are fucking sick.

Peace is self-justified.

Lon Allen

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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Jeeze! I guess that was a bad comparison. I didn't realize Wal-Mart
had such a bad reputation...Makes me glad I don't shop there.


Lon

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Dolemite

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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>>Christ, someone stole my Jesus fish, maybe that peace guy could fashion me
something instead.<<

IT WAS ELAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don Sverdrup

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Semaphore (that flag alphabet for the ignurnt) letters N and D for Nuclear
Disarmament overlaid in the circle.

Don
pretty close to that old

Josh W

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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>>>I've heard it's a broken cross, etc.

>>I heard that the


>>peace sign was a broken swastica not a broken cross.


Arrrggh. Freaking Young Republican/anti-hippie backlash propaganda!!

It's supposed to symbolize a downward pointing dove, delivering an olive
branch- the biblical sign of peace and good fortune.

--
Shalom, goddamit!
And what's so bad about doing drugs, anyhow? <GR&R>
Josh Westhoven
'97 Jetta GLX (x-wife got it)
'83 GTI (wrecked, stripped, crushed)
'86 GTI (sold)
'81 Caddy (sold)
'82 Caddy (in progress)
'84 Convertible (for sale)
'87 Cabriolet
'83 GTI (another one, w00w00!!)

jos...@sprynet.com
http://josh_w.home.sprynet.com
www.rallyvw.com

"jonnyGURU" <jg...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:38D61F61...@tampabay.rr.com...


> Is there some background to the peace sign that means something other
> than Peace? I've heard it's a broken cross, etc.
>
> What's up with that?
>
>

> Dolemite wrote:
> >
> > I make no bones about being a fucked up individual,But Am I the ONLY one
> > that gets offended and almost enraged when the see a "Peace" sign? I
hope
> > there's at least ONE other person like me out there.........hahahahaha
> >

James Howarth

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Mar 21, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/21/00
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Wal mart may be a bunch of corporate bastards, but if you ask me they will
always have the cheapest price on oil.

cheap prices on other stuff too.

They might be killing Joe six packs business but there is a reason, cheaper
prices and better service, accessiblity, etc. . . .

Just my oppinion
James

goomfletch

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Well maybe you are not, but you are entilted to your opionin, I will say
however I didn't expect this type of response or I would have never posted , I
will keep you in mind and if I ever have a weak moment and decide to cast a
Union Jack I will drop you a line. the other responses were pretty intresting
as well so dont feel as if I am singleing you out, the ones that I thought were
reallly amusing were the "wall mart non union" posts...suppose its not anything
against you other union brother and sisters in the UAW that you drive a car mad
in another country, I am pround to say that not only is The Cosmic
manufacturing Werk's Amalgamated non union (my company will never be
orginized!!!) we are 100% employee owned.
once again I apoligize for bringing such a sensitive subject to the group, from
now on I will ony deal in subject's here that relate to golfing, working out at
the club, and wh has the best bottled water....I will save the other stuff for
the VW lists that seem to have true VW owners

Later Goomfletch

In article <sdbadj4...@corp.supernews.com>, st...@snip.net says...

JMacinnes

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Dolemite

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Anyone can talk about anything they want,No need to apologize.I just think
Peace is a thing of the past.............No peace,Only Pieces........No
love,Only good hate..........As far as the unions go,Their a bunch of over
paid under worked lazy fucks if I've ever seen any.Nothing worse than having
to unload a truck alone,With some fat ass union trucker watching you,Telling
you," I'd help but it's not my job" Especially when unloading the truck
isn't YOUR job either,Just a situation........But anyway,I'd be in a union
if I could I guess......Seems to be the only way to get paid if you gotta
blue collar.And as far as the comment about golfing,water and working out
goes,Fuck all that and all these yuppie wanna be's,You got me mixed 'cuz.And
as far as "real VW owners" maybe your talking about the onion smelling dirty
toed nappy headed aircooled crowd............I'm as real as real can be,But
I think the peace sign is lame,Why not make a "Number 1" with an american
flag in it?Or how about a guy with his leg sticking really far fwd,and
saying "Keep on truckin'"?I know......A big barefoot print!!!!!!!!!!

Ed Taylor

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Peace will NEVER happen. It's unfortunate, but it never will. Man is
combative by instinct. Just look at history full of conflict. Why
dwell on something that is simply unattainable? I would like to see
peace as much as anyone, but as long as the Rice Boys are around I wont'
be at peace;)

Ed Taylor
86 GTI(with VW emblem on the grill)

Ron P.

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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What ya' apologizing for? This was a fun one for a change.

Ron

Lon Allen

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Hey, I thought the idea of doing something personal to your VW was a
good thing, but when you say "true VW owners" I can't see that in you if
you are wanting to remove the symbol emblazoned on your car to let
others know what you drive and are proud of. A true VW owner would be
spit-shining that emblem and making great efforts to keep the bug goo
off of it. I thought that only riceboys removed their emblems and
shaved off their badges...


Lon badges, BADGES, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES (unless it is a VW
emblem)

jonnyGURU

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Mmm... So, So I guess if I had the peace sign on the grill, the nuclear
powered engine that I installed to avoid high gas prices would be a
contradiction. :(


Don Sverdrup wrote:
>
> Semaphore (that flag alphabet for the ignurnt) letters N and D for Nuclear
> Disarmament overlaid in the circle.
>
> Don
> pretty close to that old
>
> jonnyGURU wrote:
>

jonnyGURU

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Ahh yes.... The open arms. The warm fuzzy feeling you get from
R.A.M.V.W.

Makes you want to run naked through the flowers.

Peace.

Ben Randolph

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jonnyGURU wrote:
>
> Mmm... So, So I guess if I had the peace sign on the grill, the nuclear
> powered engine that I installed to avoid high gas prices would be a
> contradiction. :(

:-)
tdi my ass...
ben

Nick & Theresa Mascari

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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> Now put one of those on your car and see what happens. I'm thinking
> about just putting a Mercedes Benz emblem on my car. That will make a
> few of them other drivers wonder "what the F&%$".

It would make me wonder...why you aren't driving a honda.
Maybe you could get lots of big stickers with japanese writing too.


Ingo Braune

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Mar 22, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/22/00
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jonnyGURU wrote:
>
> Mmm... So, So I guess if I had the peace sign on the grill, the nuclear
> powered engine that I installed to avoid high gas prices would be a
> contradiction. :(

HP?, any pics?

Ingo


crash70

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Mar 23, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/23/00
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You know, with advertising shoved in every bodily orifice these days, I'd
LOVE to take the emblems OFF of my car. Hell, take the logos off of my
shoes, pants, underwear, groceries, and everything else. Who gives a rat's
ass what kind of product I (or anybody else) uses.

Years ago, when I raced dirt bikes, I removed EVERY logo from my bike, and
all of my gear. Why? A: to separate myself from the other wanna-be kooks,
and B: to avoid advertising other peoples products. I received
many-a-compliment from other riders.

I have absolutely no desire to make any kind of statement, through brand
ownership, bumper stickers, particular products, looks, style, etc. I am
QUITE happy about who *I* am, and don't need to let the world know about it.
Somebody may look at my car, look at me, and make a judgement about what
kind of person I am. Well, that's fine. The difference is that I KNOW who I
am, and they THINK they know who I am.

Just spouting off here...

jonnyGURU

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Mar 23, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/23/00
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I know what you mean. I used to race MTB Bikes and was only sponsored
by the shop I worked for (I did it because I loved it more than
anything).

My ride was an 1993 Raleigh Peak. Back when Tomac rode for them was
certainly their best years. It was a very VERY descent ride. I've
ridden custom Brews, Voodoos and Salsas that didn't ride this nice.
Easton E9 tubing bonded to cast aluminum lugs with a Tange cromoly rear
triangle. It was light, stiff and the geometry was perfect for me
because I am the same height and size as Tomac (not us muscular, though
:( ....) and the frame was based on his geometry.

I stripped all of the stickers off of the frame and repainted it flat
black.

The next year I was off to Tampa and no longer working in a bike shop.
My friend and I walked into the bike shop at USF to buy an inner tube,
where there were these two yuppies with their Cannonballs sitting at a
table. They looked over at us and one got up and started checking out
my bike. I suppose it looks neat with it's undersized aluminum tubing
(completely opposite of a Cannonball), cast lugs with cable stops and
wishbone rear seat stay. He asked "what kind of bike is that?!?" I
actually was thinking about saying it was "custom" or something like
that. I said, "It's a Raleigh". As soon as I said that, he goes, "Oh."
like I just ran over his mother with a steam roller and he walked away
with a look on his face that could only have been duplicated by shooting
his cat dead with a cannon. What a jerk.

What was REALLY funny was that the guy behind me had THE SAME BIKE in
the same size frame, only one year newer. The reason why they didn't
approach him at all is because his was still in "factory condition" and
had "Raleigh" in big white letter across the red anodized down tube. If
anything, I though his was cooler because he had a Manitou fork and mine
only had a ProForx, but alas... his "said" Raleigh.

Name brandism sucks.

Ron P.

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Mar 23, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/23/00
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You and I agree on this...I just had to opportunity to _really_ treat
myself, so I bought a damned nice watch. It could have been a Rolex,
but I intentionally steered clear, and bought a different brand, more
respected than Rolex by those in the know. Why? I want what I want,
and I don't care what everyone else is impressed by. Nobody recognizes
it which is fine by me, preferable even. If I was out to impress
people, I'd not be driving a Volkswagen, I'd be in a 323i convertible
or something...but screw everybody else. It's fun to pull into the
executive lot with a little A1 VW, especially a loud one, after just
screeching the tires all the way up the entrance!

--
Ron

jonnyGURU

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Mar 24, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/24/00
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....and you're entitled to your opinion, but I do not agree.

Stuff like motor oil, laundry soap and such... fine.

But most of their stuff (paint, bikes, clothes, etc) are VERY cheap
quality considering what you pay. Sure you pay less, but that's what
you get and you get what you pay for.

And, prices aren't that good on items like snack items (impulse items).
NEVER go to Wal Mart hungry and NEVER buy a bag of chips there!

And, service?????? When was the last time you talked to someone at Wal
Mart that wasn't a complete Zombie except for that guy at the gun
cabinet helping the other rednecks with their bait choices???

Wal Mart is suck.

Sams club has good beer prices, though. Don't need service to pick
beer. 12 pack of Warsteiner for $6.99!

James Howarth

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Mar 24, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/24/00
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>
> And, service?????? When was the last time you talked to someone at Wal
> Mart that wasn't a complete Zombie

Maybe I should have said there is no service. That is why I like it. I
walk in, get what I want, the zombies systematically shuffle us out. Quick
easy efficient.

And they have the smiley face, how could you hate a store with the smiley
face?

James

Lon Allen

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Mar 28, 2000, 8:00:00 AM3/28/00
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By the same token, I bought a $50 watch that people mistake as a Rolex
(it is not an intentional or illegal copy of one either) and I love to
let them know its a Casio. I don't care what people think either, but
if I were to cover the Casio label to try and act like it isn't a Casio
or that I am wanting it to be something else then I feel that if I were
to tell you I am proud it is a Casio then why try to hide it.

The only chrome (or what's left of it) on my still-stock VW is the
logo/emblem. I am wanting to get new ones so that they will stand out.
I am proud of what I drive and don't think that removing the emblem is a
positive move towards showing that. In fact, up until recently, VW had
less paid advertisement on most of the media here in the US so why would
a few emblems on your car cause you any grief?

At least our cars are not covered on every corner of the body with some
reminder of who built it like many of the american and japanese cars
these days. Nowhere on my car can you easily see the words Volkswagen
(except on the wheels, which are usually rotating anyway). They chose
to only use the logo to distinguish its roots of origin and I find that
rather tasteful.

BTW: Unless some of you did not follow the original post and the
subsequent replies, the original poster was offering a replacement for
the logo on the grill. The words came up at one point that VW-pride and
a personal statement of this PRIDE is being voiced by personalizing
their ride. My take on this was and still is, if you are proud of it
and want to personalize it why would you remove the emblems? Most of
the debadging I see these days are on rice-burners (that want you to
believe their car is something it is not) and I don't care to put my car
in that league at all. But then again, a huge VW emblem in my back
window is on the opposite end of the spectrum and won't appear on my car
either...


Lon

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