Ummm....is this a "G" rated news-group?
Say it slowly.....FUK-EN-GRUVEN
Do we need to draw you a picture?? <g>
its a bunch of hippie *shit*. (excuse me, PSEUDO-hippie shit) expect to
find it next to the grateful dead sticker on the dark blue a2 jetta gl.
its something you expect to see on 'the' frat boy's parentally financed
a4 jetta. again, often accompanied by a grateful dead sticker.
whose band has a song about hippies and jerry garcia...
Stereotyping people according to the stickers on their ride makes no
sense. I guess since I have a Dead sticker on the cars *I* *own* (not
my parents), I should have long hair, smoke pot, and have no job. Oops.
Wrong on all counts.
Brian - who never belonged to a fraternity
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On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:49:32 +0200, "typhus" <LookIn...@gmx.net>
>.. as spotted on an imported US-Golf. "FUKENGRUVEN"... Wasn't the
>word "Fahrvergnügen" (joy of driving)? The sticker had the pencilman
>on it but I can't get the word out of my head.
Yeah frat boys are all evil.
They all get stuff from there parents and drink beer all day.
Oh, don't forget they date rape and cheat too.
It's just a sticker, and as stupid as you may think it is
it says nothing about a person that has it.
The show before my first show. Brings back memories.
I too never fit the sterotype or felt the need to fit the look, just
liked the music.
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>> .. as spotted on an imported US-Golf. "FUKENGRUVEN"
> Ummm....is this a "G" rated news-group? Say it
> As in...FUK-EN-"groovin"
> Do we need to draw you a picture?? <g>
I'm a dumbass. I should have thought of that.
Btt... Man, that is W-E-A-K.
(Now I've really earned myself a vacation. Bye bye ramvw! See you in
I agree, it's just a sticker like any other sticker.
stereotypes dont come out of thin air, my friend. thats not the point
the sticker is almost always next to the dead sticker, which as i
pointed out, it hippie *shit*.
dont like it? i dont care.
> I guess since I have a Dead sticker on the cars *I* *own* (not
> my parents), I should have long hair, smoke pot, and have no job. Oops.
> Wrong on all counts.
no, because you have grateful dead stickers you felt personally
offended. i dont like the dead; i think they suck. their music sucks,
and ill say it sucks, because i think it sucks. i think hippies suck,
and ill say that too. i live on the end of town with 90% of the
psuedo-hippies that go to school here. trust me, they suck. defend em
all you want, but a hippie is still a hippie.
and that hippie will most likely suck.
oh, and frat boys suck too, but thats another story. as far as whatever
that one guy said about them, its pretty much all true. you should see
all the rules and regulations against frats at my school. know why the
university made all those rules? cause frats suck. too much alcohol,
too much promiscuity, too much disturbance and disorderly conduct.
its funny how people get their panties all in a bunch when someone says
whats on their mind.
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surely seen that one.
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I'm all growed up, but I happen to agree with Ben (uh-oh, world is ending,)
the majority of frat boys I've ever encountered seem to be the one who need
His opinion is valid, whether you like it or not. Whether or not it's based
in reality could be argued. Not by me - I've seen frat crap enough to have
a good idea.
> frats suck.
You should put a *most* or *in many cases* with these statements.
The lack of them implies that you think ALL hippies suck or
that ALL frats suck, and that just is not true.
I mean you don't know all the hippies or all the frat boys.
Peter Ege wrote:
> You need help. I don't know what FRAT guy shit on your lunch but give it
> up. You are trying to start an argument over the oldest most pathetic
> college debate and there is very little validity in your GENERALIZATION.
> That is all it is. Grow up.
get a life. i dont mean to be stepping on anyones toes, but i see i
broke a couple of yours.
i think hippies suck. i think frats suck. i dont care if you or anyone
else feels different. i dont hate them, i dont think they should all be
dead, i dont think they should all move away from me, and i dont even
think that i have any more right to existence than they do. and really,
who the hell am i to tell them how to live their lives?
but that doesnt change the fact that they suck.
i base my opinions on personal, real world decisions. i go the school
which has the largest greek community *anywhere*. ('sides greece, but
thats a different greek) i know what i see. i live in an area where
90% of the people are around me are hippies. i know what i see.
from what i see, i think they suck.
get the point?
small hippie anecdote: the vehicle of choice for the new generation,
pseudo-hippie is none other than an SUV, with a model year larger than
the year of their high school graduation.
that is one of the reasons these hippies suck. if youre gonna be a
hippie, at least have the fuckin balls to be a hippie, not some half ass
strangely enough, the same vehicle classification can be applied to frat
Hey, it's America. You have every right to say what you like, be an ass,
whatever, I was pointing out the irrational thought of stereotyping.
> > I guess since I have a Dead sticker on the cars *I* *own* (not
> > my parents), I should have long hair, smoke pot, and have no job.
> > Wrong on all counts.
> no, because you have grateful dead stickers you felt personally
> offended. i dont like the dead; i think they suck. their music
I wasn't offended. Think what you like. I think you listened to Casey
Jones one too many times and got sick cause you had friends who played
Skeletons in the Closet over and over again. Ever been to a show? Doubt
it. I think if you did, different opinion. Fact is, the man had more
talent than 99% of artists alive. and that's MY opinion and the opinion
of MILLIONS of other people.
> and ill say it sucks, because i think it sucks. i think hippies suck,
> and ill say that too. i live on the end of town with 90% of the
> psuedo-hippies that go to school here. trust me, they suck. defend
> all you want, but a hippie is still a hippie.
And your definition is? Someone who listens to the Dead, Phish,
original sounding music which the radios don't play since record
companies don't think it'll sell? Creating your own reality here?
> and that hippie will most likely suck.
> oh, and frat boys suck too, but thats another story. as far as
> that one guy said about them, its pretty much all true. you should
> all the rules and regulations against frats at my school. know why
> university made all those rules? cause frats suck. too much alcohol,
> too much promiscuity, too much disturbance and disorderly conduct.
No. Rules are made to protect the dumbasses from themselves. I knew of a
few fraternities, who actually were responsible people. Another
stereotype cut in shreds.
> its funny how people get their panties all in a bunch when someone
> whats on their mind.
> ben randolph
No. No panties bunched here. It's mind over matter.
I don't mind, cause you don't matter.
whatever...call me what you will. im not going to argue with you, and
im not gonna get into a name calling fight. im just tellin it like it
> I have dealt with this kind of thing before. I just want
> other people out there to be aware that you are big time generalizing.
i was pretty sure it was AS PLAIN AS DAY and PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS that
i was generalizing. good thing you cleared it up for the rest of the
> I went to UVA where the Greek system is just as large as your school
not that im bragging or anything, but i doubt it. PSU has the largest
alumni association and the largest greek system.
and is the most expensive big 10 school....
that sucks too...
i guess i have to start the "We Are..." cheer or something.
> But I know , personally, me included as
> well as many of my brothers and friends that you are WAY off.
how do you know what i know and dont know. whatever dude. i see things
that support my opinion EVERY DAY. not just once a month, not just in
an article every once in a while, not even every weekend. EVERY DAY.
> Just to prove it I do not drive a SUV of my graduation year. I happen to
> Drive a '99 Jetta, I listen to Grateful from time to time,
so thats why you got all defensive. if it will make you feel better and
give you a sense of closure, peter, i will personally apologize to you
for making fun of a4 jettas.
im so sorry.
Yes - the US ad slogan circa 1990 was Fahrvergnügen but a later bumper
sticker (I have one) did a pun on it and said Fukengrüven and had the
little stick guy in a sort of dancing pose.
BTW - the little stick guy actually has a name - Otto Bahn. :-) Saw
it at the bottom of a VW ad where it was mentioned that VW had a
trademark on it.
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Brian Watkins wrote:
> Hey, it's America. You have every right to say what you like, be an ass,
> whatever, I was pointing out the irrational thought of stereotyping.
and i was pointing out the fact that stereotypes arent just random
judgments. they are rooted in the truth. true they usually get blown
way out of proportion, but they dont come from nowhere. find me one
classic stereotype in any social, economic, racial, religious, or
nationalistic group that *isnt* rooted in the truth.
> I wasn't offended. Think what you like.
kay. dont hate me if i dont believe you. if you werent truly offended,
the response to me would probably have been something more like this:
ben randolph wrote:
> hippies suck. frat boys suck.
dude, you suck. shut up. go away.
im really surprised no one came right out and said, YOU SUCK. i mean,
this is all entertainment (except when we are talking about VW's, then
its part education as well) but think about it...if you were an outsider
reading this thread, and somebody posted something similar to the above,
wouldnt you just piss yourself laughing? im laughing right now cause
its so friggin hilarious. i dont know what i would have done if someone
responded like that. i wouldnt know whether to laugh or go hide in my
> I think you listened to Casey
i guess you win that one by default.
> Fact is, the man had more
> talent than 99% of artists alive. and that's MY opinion and the opinion
> of MILLIONS of other people.
i would consider myself an 'artist' to some degree, and i would
certainly agree that JG had lots of talent. that doesnt change the fact
that his music sucks though.
> > a hippie is still a hippie.
> And your definition is?
does it matter? i could go on and on about my personal experiences with
hippies, but i know that nothing i say will make you even *consider* my
POV. thats why im not trying to be persuasive. im just stating the
ill state them again, if anyone missed it:
hippies suck. frat boys suck.
> Someone who listens to the Dead, Phish,
> original sounding music
if that music is so original, why does it all sound the same?
> No. Rules are made to protect the dumbasses from themselves.
exactly. cause they suck, and have no control over themselves. its
really a subtle form of mob mentality.
> I don't mind, cause you don't matter.
thats cute, but if i dont matter, why bother responding?
p.s. im having fun. are you?
Oh Christ here we go again. They suck dick. There. That's the
answer you wanted, right?
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"Matt B." wrote:
> Shot25x25 wrote in message
> >Ben Randolph wrote:
> > >i think hippies suck. i think frats suck.
> >What, exactly, do they suck?
> Oh Christ here we go again. They suck dick. There. That's the
> answer you wanted, right?
i have no idea what their sexual preferences are, and i choose not to
make any incorrect assumptions.
>i think hippies suck. i think frats suck.
What, exactly, do they suck?
That was the most sorry ass attempt at a flame I've ever seen in my life.It
should go more like this:
People in fraterneties are fucking sissies that are afraid of the real
world.They are away from mommy and daddy and the feel the need for
acceptance,so they join a frat.The "You can humiliate me all you want just let
me in your club"mentality say's it all.I used to live in a college town and I
would see these losers every year,Pledging,s/b "Pleading" for acceptance by
other losers that think that safety comes in numbers.Frats are for PU55IES
PERIOD.It's like the same reason people start smoking,They start because they
think it looks cool,And they want acceptance.To have a club is one thing if you
have a hobby or something,But for a bunch of people to have a club
for..............What? is pretty lame.It's just a way for losers to make
friends because they can't do it in the real world by themselves.The more I go
on with this flame,The more I realize it too sucks.So let me just end now
STINK STINK STINK and Dirty hair - dirty clothes - no shoes walkin
around DOWNTOWN and in Malls/ restaurants????? "
"hey is that chick tan or just freakin dirty?" Hellllooo...
While we're talkin recreation...
Man I think golf is lame..... but golf carts serve well when driven
around the pits/paddock at a RACETRACK.
OTOH Frisbee golf I can go for ;-)
(sold my one Dead tape for 50 cents at my tag sale)
i was attempting to use the common literary technique known as
i believe it helped me successfully make my point.
> because you really "suck".
sorry dude, someone beat you to that already.
> And what
> is this EVERDAY
> crap you are trying to sell?
??? you mean like girl scout cookies? i, for one, disagree with your
opinion that girl scout cookies are crap. i like the chocolate minty
ones (the ones in the green box) the best. i think *you* suck because
you dont like girl scout cookies.
as far as that 'other' crap im trying to 'sell', i was merely pointing
out the fact that i see new examples of why frat boys suck every single
day i am in town.
> Did you not get the point that I lived around
> frats and was in one.
i thought frat boys werent supposed to use the word "frat"?
> Or are you just trying to make you seem like
> you are some damn expert.
yes. thats exactly what im trying to do. im actually going to write my
thesis on why frat boys suck. people worldwide will use me as a
credible source when they do their own research to expose the suckyness
(or is that suckieness?) of frat boys. i will become legendary.
eventually, when all frat houses are extinct, people will throw
themselves at my feet, proclaiming me the supreme being, and ruler of
> If you hate them so damn much why the hell are you around them
its tough when there are thousands of em'. those little bastards....
theyre just running all over the place like little dogs, licking and
humping everything in sight.
> I don't get you.
i can tell.
> And I was only responding to you to point out that you were being
> an ass.
> I don't care if you have this belief that all frat boys suck, and your
> definition (what ever that is), of hippies suck,
> that is fine.
thanks. thats all i ask. really. all i want is for me to be able to
spew out whatever my little heart desires.
> I know better, and I can live with myself knowing I am not
> you, with these dillusional
> images that you are high and mighty above all other people.
now youre just being a silly little frat boy. i believe i have already
made it quite clear that i hold myself no higher than any of the
perpetrators in question. (in this case, hippies and frat boys)
> Enjoy your life
doin my best...
> and I hope you never
> have to associate with a hippie frat boy
<ben wipes the sweat off his forehead>
y..y..y..you mean...such a beast exists?
> Man i feel sorry my friends are associated
> with you, by default of course.
indeed. sucks for them.
still havin a blast...
Team Degenerate wrote:
> Man I think golf is lame.
all right you little SOB, thats the last straw. im callin you out.
Ben Rogowski wrote:
> >if that music is so original, why does it all sound the same?
> So what kind of music do you listen to Ben?
it doesnt matter.
btw, i have no doubt that it too sounds all the same.
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>Whats up with all the B.O. - man whenever the Phish show comes to town
>and all Jerrys kids slide right on in so does the filth.
>STINK STINK STINK and Dirty hair - dirty clothes - no shoes walkin
>around DOWNTOWN and in Malls/ restaurants????? "
>"hey is that chick tan or just freakin dirty?" Hellllooo...
No kiddin!! Excessive BO is like cigarette smoke. If someone wants to be
dirty, FINE. But don't make me have to put up with your foul STENCH in
>While we're talkin recreation...
>Man I think golf is lame..... but golf carts serve well when driven
>around the pits/paddock at a RACETRACK.
>OTOH Frisbee golf I can go for ;-)
I absolutely, completely, HATE golf, and the lifestyle and mindset that goes
along with it. (Country clubs, alcoholism, schmoozing and sucking up to
people with more money, trying to look like you have more money, etc.) Man,
I'm glad I don't work in sales, so I don't have to talk "golf" to people!
DAMN I hate golf!!
(but hey, if some of you like golf, then, well, that's fine with me. Just
expressing my opinion here)
>That was the most sorry ass attempt at a flame I've ever seen in my life.
I was thinking the same thing, but you beat me to it, Dolimite!!
(The little "it's all for fun" escape clause is a nice touch too.)
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Ben Randolph wrote in message <37A76A8E...@psu.edu>...
>Large doses of inflamatory misinformation, overly strong ignorant >opinions,
mixed in with a little "fuck everyone who disagrees" >mentality...
Fill us in, what mis-information?
Stereotypes exist, because a large percentage of the group fit into it.
I believe that you should be aware of the different stereotypes, but they
should not change how you treat people.
At first I treat people the way I want to be treated, and then I treat them
like they treat me.
Keep in mind that 99% of your DNA is the same as everyone else, and that
includes hippies and frat boys.
>That's all I can say. You even started your own little
>threadlet/flame war. Well Done.
>(The little "it's all for fun" escape clause is a nice touch too.)
Fun, fun, fun...
>>Brian Watkins wrote:
>>>Hey, it's America. You have every right to say what you like, be >>>an ass,
whatever, I was pointing out the irrational thought of
>>and i was pointing out the fact that stereotypes arent just random