Snap-on vs Craftsman (Timing Lights)
Karls Vladimir Peña
Snap-on and almost every other brand of timing lights out there? Craftsmans
go for anything around 50-80 dls, and Snap-on STARTS at 200 dls. What do
these snao-on things do? do they make your engine double its horsepower? for
that price they should.
Is anyone outhere with a reason to buy snap-on tools? I have no reference
since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.
jjs
Peña" <kar...@correo.tricom.net> wrote:
Both Crapsman and Strap-on tools can be returned for a new tool, but
Crapsman tools do go back while the later are less likely to. Besides, the
strap-on salesman will not only come to your house, but he will buy you a
beer when he sees you and the crapsman salesman can't afford one for
himself.
GaryT
"Karls Vladimir Peña" <kar...@correo.tricom.net> wrote in message
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I remember a time when they were **only** available off the back of the
Snap-on truck which would travel from shop to shop. The dealers even ran a
tab in many cases, so it became very easy to acquire tools. I think the fact
that they were exclusive, convenient (as in personal service) and
accommodating allowed them to be branded as the best tools available and
consequently charge a premium.
Looks like another home-run up to the marketing department.
GaryT
Wolfgang
they offer financing and time payments plus have super warranty for those
that need to use that tool every day to make a living. Its like a white
shirt and red tie for a businessman -- a status symbol that says you are a
professional mechanic. If you only use it once every six months or year then
I'd just get a cheap one from Advance Auto or Harbor Freight. Get one with
inductive pickup - and replaceable bulb.
"Karls Vladimir Peña" <kar...@correo.tricom.net> wrote in message
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Rob J
filled with MIC brand hand tools. As in, Made in China. Feh.
My opinion is that Craftsman hand tools (those not requiring power, such
as electricity or gasoline) are more than good enough for the home
mechanic. Seems that they also are trying to innovate; I've recently
seen some new wrenches that are box end ratchets that have a lever which
allows you to switch from tighten to loosen without removing the tool
from the nut/bolt. Kinda cool.
When exchanging a broken Craftsman hand tool with the lifetime warranty,
my experience has always been very good. If you find a Craftsman tool
at a yard sale or whatever, and it's cheap, buy it. The warranty still
applies.. no receipt needed.
You asked about timing lights. My experience with Craftsman powered
tools isn't better than other brands. The warranty is not lifetime on
these tools; usually you get one year.
Snap-On is targetted to the professional. That's another reason they're
more expensive.
-Rob
John Willis
<jaworski@spam_me_not_lmi.net> scribbled this interesting note:
>jjs' attitude toward both brands of tools suggests that his toolbox is
>filled with MIC brand hand tools. As in, Made in China. Feh.
Most everyone has some of these...
>My opinion is that Craftsman hand tools (those not requiring power, such
>as electricity or gasoline) are more than good enough for the home
>mechanic.
"Good enough." I have owned many different brands of tools over the
years, from brand new, top of the line stuff to cheap and inexpensive.
In my experience you get what you pay for (and if you are an informed
shopper this does not necessarily mean paying a higher price.) The
biggest reason to buy from Sears as opposed to Snap-On or Mac or Matco
is when you need to return a tool (note I said when, not if, because
if you really use your tools you will occasionally break one no matter
who made it!:~) at least you don't have to chase down the Sears
Store!:~)
>When exchanging a broken Craftsman hand tool with the lifetime warranty,
>my experience has always been very good. If you find a Craftsman tool
>at a yard sale or whatever, and it's cheap, buy it. The warranty still
>applies.. no receipt needed.
Then you are lucky. Most every time I've had to return a tool to Sears
they no longer make that exact version of it and instead try to stick
me with a less expensive version. To me this is not a "Lifetime
Warranty." To me this is a version of bait and switch.
>Snap-On is targetted to the professional. That's another reason they're
>more expensive.
Yes they are marketed to the professional. That isn't why they are
more expensive. They cost more because they are better tools in
general, and that is what makes them more expensive since, as we all
know quality takes time and time is money and that is what increases
the cost to the end user. One example is the ratcheting screwdriver
Snap-On sells. I've broken tips out of these things countless times,
but I've never broken the ratchet inside. I can't say the same for any
other variety of ratcheting device I've ever owned. These screwdrivers
sell in the $30 range USED. New they are between $40 and $50. And the
extra price is worth it to me. In fact I'm always looking for another
one to put in the tool box just so I can have extras.
The moral of the story is always the same. No difference what you are
buying. Purchase the best example you can find of what you are looking
for at the least cost.
--
John Willis
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)
bob
craftsman has served me well for close to 25 years. i have not broken a
single tool yet. (mostly car tools)
reasonably priced and will last a very long time. mine have seen many
cars, bicycles, lawn mowers, etc.
a mechanic friend of mine told me that the ratchets are a good deal only
because they last longer than the others before needing a rebuild. but then
again, he uses them every day, all day long and then at home on his vws.
a good tool is worth the money. crappy tools are worthless by the time i
buy them, they break prematurely, and then i have to go to the store and buy
the tool again.
snap on for me?? nah. don't have the extra moolah, and i don't use them
every day, all day long either. my kids will be able to use the tools i have
when they are adults.
a decent timing light will do just as good as the gold plated model for
the average hobbyist.
just my 2 cents worth
Douglas
ratchets are another story, if you use them, wear gloves, they will break,
easily, I'm yet to break a Snap-On wrench, 25 years of very hard use all
day, every day, I would actually pay money to see someone break a Snap-On
wrench, expensive yes, but compared to broken fingers? hmmmm
"Karls Vladimir Peña" <kar...@correo.tricom.net> wrote in message
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Narley Dude®
Craftman tools very well. Not only for the convenience of returning a
broken tool to Sears when needed instead of trying to track down a
Snap-on dealer or truck and end up buying a cheap tool just to get by
until you can return the snap-on that broke. I have never been
questioned by Sears when returning a tool like: "how did you break it"
because we all know that screwdrivers function in many other ways
than just turning screws, and at times they break.... I can't always
say that about Snap-on.
Sears timing lights have a 1 year warranty unlike the lifetime
warranty of their hand tools.
My 2 cents on the timing light... whatever brand you get try to invest
in one with 0-60 degree advance feature.
Narley Dude®
Gary Tateosian
wrote:
>y, I would actually pay money to see someone break a Snap-On
>wrench
...never broken a wrench....hmm....of any make....have had a snap-off
one get so rounded on the inside that it wa suseless and had to return
it. I have broken snap on ratchets, and breaker bars. I have broken
the same items of other brands as well. I think snap-off tools are
well made, but severely over priced. If you use em every day they
*may* be worth it. But seriously, they still break.
...Gareth
John Willis
<eatmyblo...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> scribbled this interesting note:
And you want the inductive timing light, not the kind with the little
spring thingy that will eventually shock the hell out of you when you
forget and try to take it off while the engine is still running....not
that I would ever do such a thing as that!:~)
Seriously, I've broken almost every kind of tool. The ones I haven't
broken are just the ones that I'll eventually break since I usually
exceed the capacity of most of my tools. Sometimes you just have to
make do with what you've got on hand. Sometimes this strategy will
work and sometimes that socket will shatter. Chances are the Craftsman
socket will not out perform the Snap-On when you really will need it
most. Which is why I believe every good tool collection will consist
of some tools that are there to be used and abused and others that are
there to simply do the job correctly day in and day out. I know my
garage has quite a number that fit into both categories.
Nor-Cal VW's
timing lights are way too over priced. I bought a Ferret instruments Timing
light with dial back feature. I love it and If I burn-up the inductive
pickup (Damn Headers!) I can unplug it & replace the pickup without
replacing the entire unit.
I bought mine at NAPA on sale and paid about $80.00 out the door with the
case a year ago.
As for hand tools, I buy some Specific Items that Snap-on makes that other
manufacturers don't I also own all their 1/4-3/4" Ergonomic ratchets before
the other makers started making them.
Be selective. Snap-on, Craftsman, Proto, Mac, Allen, Crescent, Lisle ,
Channel lock, Klein, Stanley& Knipex are all good tool manufactures and have
their uses & place. Buy what you like & what feels good in your hands. Don't
buy by Name alone.
Dave.
http://www.ferretinstruments.com/products/products_html/ferret_88.htm
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Michael Kelly
> Is anyone outhere with a reason to buy snap-on tools? I have no reference
> since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.
If you were a union mechanic, in a union shop, in a union town, you
would not speak to people who bought tools made in a non-union shop, or
sold in a non-union store.
Joseph Oberlander
> Seriously, I've broken almost every kind of tool. The ones I haven't
> broken are just the ones that I'll eventually break since I usually
> exceed the capacity of most of my tools. Sometimes you just have to
> make do with what you've got on hand. Sometimes this strategy will
> work and sometimes that socket will shatter. Chances are the Craftsman
> socket will not out perform the Snap-On when you really will need it
> most.
Same here. Crafstman tools are not as good as they used to be - the
metal isn't as strong. Yes, I've broken a few myself and stripped
out sockets galore(tends to happen why you use pipes as levers on
big nuts and bolts). The free replacement policy is good, though,
but I'd rather not have it break in the middle of a job.
My father has an old set of Klein sockets - must be 20 years old.
The driver outlasted three sets of Craftsman ones. I'd rate it as
comparable to Snap-On. It will literally strip the sockets before the
bearings fail.
Me? I'm of the one set and forget it mindset. Honestly, a few
thousand dollars once in your life is a pretty easy expense if you
get them while you are still young.
dragenwagen
I have a craftsman timing light and it still works fine after 20 years. If
you take care or your tools and dont severly abuse them they will last a
long time.
i have been known to break ratchets by beating them with a hammer... and
mushrooming an extension using it as a drift and screwdrivers as prybars...
lol
--
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dragenwagen
1966 Type I - Daily Driver
1969 Type I - Undergoing heater channel replacement
http://www.ramva.org/dragenwagen
"Old VW's Don't Leak Oil, They Mark Thier Territory."
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jjs
Michael Kelly <Electr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
So where are Craftsman tools made?
John Willis
<Electr...@worldnet.att.net> scribbled this interesting note:
>"Karls Vladimir Pe??????????????????????????????" wrote:
>> Is anyone outhere with a reason to buy snap-on tools? I have no reference
>> since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.
>
> If you were a union mechanic, in a union shop, in a union town, you
>would not speak to people who bought tools made in a non-union shop, or
>sold in a non-union store.
Am I the only one who fails to understand the relevance of this
statement?
RSMEINER
>>would not speak to people who bought tools made in a non-union shop, or
>>sold in a non-union store.
>
>Am I the only one who fails to understand the relevance of this
>statement?
>
My first thoughts when I read that, were and still are "Screw em".
jjs
<jdwill...@airmail.net> wrote:
I understand what he is trying to say. It is all about the economy. The
old-world union mystique was to promise that every factory worker in the
USA would have a guaranteed job with mandated protections from the shop
owner's avarice. It did help a lot during the early days and made for more
reasonable conditions. Unfortunately, its socialist base didn't mix with
the avarice of the third-generation American union worker and they
demanded pay scales beyond all reason, and when the US economy soured in
the sixties it went to hell.
Is there a all-union town in the USA today?
John Willis
>> >"Karls Vladimir Pe??????????????????????????????" wrote:
>> >> Is anyone outhere with a reason to buy snap-on tools? I have no reference
>> >> since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.
>> >
>> > If you were a union mechanic, in a union shop, in a union town, you
>> >would not speak to people who bought tools made in a non-union shop, or
>> >sold in a non-union store.
>>
>> Am I the only one who fails to understand the relevance of this
>> statement?
>
>I understand what he is trying to say. It is all about the economy. The
>old-world union mystique was to promise that every factory worker in the
>USA would have a guaranteed job with mandated protections from the shop
>owner's avarice. It did help a lot during the early days and made for more
>reasonable conditions. Unfortunately, its socialist base didn't mix with
>the avarice of the third-generation American union worker and they
>demanded pay scales beyond all reason, and when the US economy soured in
>the sixties it went to hell.
>
>Is there a all-union town in the USA today?
Oh I understand all that, but what is the relevance to the original
poster's question? Moreover, what does he think will be accomplished
by spreading his propaganda in this forum?
Bill Berckman
>I understand what he is trying to say. It is all about the economy. The
>old-world union mystique was to promise that every factory worker in the
>USA would have a guaranteed job with mandated protections from the shop
>owner's avarice. It did help a lot during the early days and made for more
>reasonable conditions. Unfortunately, its socialist base didn't mix with
>the avarice of the third-generation American union worker and they
>demanded pay scales beyond all reason, and when the US economy soured in
>the sixties it went to hell.
>
>Is there a all-union town in the USA today?
There was an interesting article in the Cincy Enquirer today entitled "Factory
Jobs Aren't Coming Back" It talks about a couple who used to work at the local
Huffy Bike plant in a small Ohio town until Wal Mart forced the plant to lower
their costs so much that they had to move the plant overseas where there are
lower wages, in order to be competitive with Big Wally. The ironic thing is
that the lady and here husband had to take lower paying jobs, and have to now
shop at The Wal (who put them out of a job) because their prices are the
lowest. Here is the link to the article.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/12/06/biz_laboroverview06.html
Wal Mart is a powerhouse today similar to what Henry Ford was in he 20's &
30's. Old Hank Ford was very anti union and held out as the last automaker of
the Big 3 to unionize. If you did not learn it in history class, the Battle of
the Overpass was a defining moment in the history of labor unions of that
time. http://www.reuther.wayne.edu/exhibits/battle_intro.html
While Ford's goons used violence and force to achieve their goals, unions have
also employed this at times in the past diring strikes. I guess that asking
people nicely not to cross the picket line does not work very well.
I remember back in the 70's my dad was a teacher in the Cincinnati Public
Schools that went on strike. My dad did not strike and suffered the wrath of
the union members. You would think that college educated teachers in a
professional respected position would be a little different, but this was not
the case with the Cincinnati Public Schools.
When leaving the parking lot these other educators threatened to get my dads
car. At the time he ate lunch with a couple of other teacher that we will call
Mr. Fritsch and Mr Dapper because that is their real names. They had a storage
room that they at lunch in. After the strike was over, one of the chairs was
missing, and my dad was no longer welcome to eat lunch with them.
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle Pictures at http://community.webshots.com/album/65271125OySKDA
Cincinnati VW/Porsche Family Reunion Show 2003 Pictures
http://community.webshots.com/album/91342080bjsyXI
Michael Kelly
The question was, "why do Snap-On tools cost so much more than
Craftsman". I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of a Union. But
most of my family is... Down to the point they would not shop in a
non-union shop, nor drink non-union beer.
Mike.
jjs
Michael Kelly <Electr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> The question was, "why do Snap-On tools cost so much more than
> Craftsman". I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of a Union. But
> most of my family is... Down to the point they would not shop in a
> non-union shop,
So, where are Craftsman and Snap-on tools union made?
> nor drink non-union beer.
Hell of a predicament for a Irishman. You are reduced to drinking rice
beer. How ironic.
John Willis
<Electr...@worldnet.att.net> scribbled this interesting note:
>> Oh I understand all that, but what is the relevance to the original
>> poster's question? Moreover, what does he think will be accomplished
>> by spreading his propaganda in this forum?
> The question was, "why do Snap-On tools cost so much more than
>Craftsman". I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of a Union. But
>most of my family is... Down to the point they would not shop in a
>non-union shop, nor drink non-union beer.
Ok, it begins to become somewhat clearer.
My mistake in labeling your statement propaganda. But, if you'll
re-read what I wrote I neither confirmed nor denied your status as a
union or non-union member...
Now I don't know specifically if Snap-On or Craftsman tools are made
in the US by Union shops or overseas in Non-union shops, but if I had
to guess I'd agree with your unstated implication that Craftsman tools
are most likely made in Taiwan or mainland China these days and
Snap-On tools stand a better chance of being made in the US. But, you
realize that if that is the case that Snap-On tools also stand a
better chance of being made with US steel, which I'm given to
understand is usually of a higher quality than the stuff found in
Asia. That too could help in understanding why Snap-On tools give
better performance and help justify some of the additional cost. (This
is, of course, sheer speculation on my part!:~)
BTW, I have never bought a brand new Snap-On tool. All their
merchandise that is in my tool box has come from garage sales, estate
sales, swap meets, and eBay. Used. The only items I've ever broken
from Snap-On are a set of small pick tools. They broke because I
really needed to be using a larger set of pick tools, but alas those
were all I had.
jjs
<jdwill...@airmail.net> wrote:
> [...] But, you
> realize that if that is the case that Snap-On tools also stand a
> better chance of being made with US steel, which I'm given to
> understand is usually of a higher quality than the stuff found in
> Asia.
We should find out if that is really true. I find it hard to believe that
our ore is magically better than what can be found elsewhere on this
planet. It would warm my heart to see the Minnesota iron range become
healthy again. Magic ore? Sure, let's spread the word.
At one time, all the steel products that came from Japan were of USA
steel. We dug the ore, smelted it, alloyed it, stocked it and they sold it
back to us in cars, motorcycles, tools. The same is true of their oil
products. We supply almost all of it via the Alaskan pipeline. (Do
Americans really believe that all that oil is for us?.) In a strange
way, what we get is what we sell them cheap and then we pay dearly buying
it back in trade for their labor and to some extent, their innovative
means.
The huge flaw in the capitalist system is the misunderstanding by
Americans that they own capitalism. Capitalism is it's own servant. It has
no boundaries. It goes where resources are most easily exploited. See
Walmart, Target, and other Chinese industries.
> BTW, I have never bought a brand new Snap-On tool. All their
> merchandise that is in my tool box has come from garage sales, estate
> sales, swap meets, and eBay. [...]
I have a dream - I buy Snap-On tools by the scrap pound price. :)
Craftsman tools are about there already. (zing!)
Michael Kelly
> So, where are Craftsman and Snap-on tools union made?
Here from the snap-on site:
http://www.snapon.com/news/answers.asp?question=31
"KENOSHA, Wisconsin - April 2, 1998 - Snap-on Incorporated announced
today that union membership at its Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
manufacturing and distribution center locations ratified a new two-year
agreement with Snap-on Tools of Canada Ltd."
Craftsman used to be non-union. That changed some time ago.
> Hell of a predicament for a Irishman. You are reduced to drinking rice
> beer. How ironic.
Hey! we'll have none of that talk. I'm not the one drinking only Union
beer (Olympia) that was my maternal grandfather (A German). I only
drink full bodied beers. My favorite this week is Dechutes Brewery's
Obsidian Stout, the darkest stuff they have at Yeagers Tap house in
Folsom, next to GUINNESS®. If I don't have time to brew them myself, I
drink Red Horse Ale.
};=8p my cow smiley with tongue sticking out.
Joseph Oberlander
> In article <i684tvs2jil6p34ne...@4ax.com>, John Willis
> <jdwill...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>>[...] But, you
>>realize that if that is the case that Snap-On tools also stand a
>>better chance of being made with US steel, which I'm given to
>>understand is usually of a higher quality than the stuff found in
>>Asia.
>
>
> We should find out if that is really true. I find it hard to believe that
> our ore is magically better than what can be found elsewhere on this
> planet. It would warm my heart to see the Minnesota iron range become
> healthy again. Magic ore? Sure, let's spread the word.
No, it's that the Chinese and Taiwanese scrap dealers have no moral
qualms about using scrap steel to make steel products with.
cloud8
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> You asked about timing lights. My experience with Craftsman powered
> tools isn't better than other brands. The warranty is not lifetime on
> these tools; usually you get one year.
My Craftsman timing light has worked great for over 20 years. Methinks
I bought it to tune up the Rabbit, so that would be since 1981. If
they still make them like they used to, go for it.
--
Bill Merrill
Arlington, Mass.
'70 Covertible
Michael Kelly
> jjs wrote:
> No, it's that the Chinese and Taiwanese scrap dealers have no moral
> qualms about using scrap steel to make steel products with.
It's not that using scrap steel is an immoral decision, the end user
can either decide to purchase or not purchase items made from scrap.
Scrap metals have more impurities because the source is not controlled,
refined metals are of more consistant character. I keep a set of really
cheap chinese tools in my car, and will only cry $40 worth if they get
pinched. My $200+ Craftsman set is in my garage, and not as exposed to
theft. If I had a $5000+ Snap-On tool collection, I would be paranoid
of loss, and my tools would become my master.
John Willis
>> No, it's that the Chinese and Taiwanese scrap dealers have no moral
>> qualms about using scrap steel to make steel products with.
>
> It's not that using scrap steel is an immoral decision, the end user
>can either decide to purchase or not purchase items made from scrap.
>Scrap metals have more impurities because the source is not controlled,
>refined metals are of more consistant character.
That was how I understood the whole idea as well. You just put it
better than I would have!:~)
>I keep a set of really
>cheap chinese tools in my car, and will only cry $40 worth if they get
>pinched. My $200+ Craftsman set is in my garage, and not as exposed to
>theft. If I had a $5000+ Snap-On tool collection, I would be paranoid
>of loss, and my tools would become my master.
Nah. If you had thousands of dollars of Snap-On, Matco, and Mac tools
in your Billion dollar tool chest you would be making even more money
with them and they would pay for themselves in a very short period of
time.
In my business we could (and have for a very short period of time, and
then only because it was needed instantly) use cheap, disposable
Stanley-Bostich pancake style air compressors. You know the ones. They
are yellow and black and Home Despot used to carry them (don't know if
they still do.) Of course we wear those out in a month or so since
when we're working they see pretty much constant usage, all day, every
day. Or we could buy Thomas pancake style air compressors that cost
two or three times what the S-B cost initially. After about 12,000
hours of usage they get rebuilt. Cost for rebuilding? About $100 (this
fee has been pretty consistent for over a decade.) And then they are
good for another 12,000 hours or so of use. You do the math. Which is
the wiser expenditure? (BTW, 12,000 hours equals almost 6 years of
eight hour a day, five days a week, 52 weeks a year of use!:~)
Michael Kelly
> Nah. If you had thousands of dollars of Snap-On, Matco, and Mac tools
> in your Billion dollar tool chest you would be making even more money
> with them and they would pay for themselves in a very short period of
> time.
Of course, But cars and other mechanical things for me are... Well not
really a hobby, but I'm too damn cheap to pay for mechanical work when I
can do it myself. If I were in business, I sure would have Snap-On or
Matco tools.
Back on topic, I see that Harbor Freight has a timing light for $9.99.
Mike.
Tim Rogers
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>
> Hey guys (and gals), have you noticed the huge price difference beetween
> Snap-on and almost every other brand of timing lights out there?
Craftsmans
> go for anything around 50-80 dls, and Snap-on STARTS at 200 dls.
>
>
...................I have one of these handy little timing lights:
http://www.testntools.com/TestMeasuring/Automotive/TimingLight/TL06110.htm
...............The inductive spark lead sensor is very easy to hook-up. The
two D cell batteries last almost forever. The size allows me to place it up
close to the pulley for better illumination in even the brightest sun light.
It fits easily into the glove compartment of my bug where I can't misplace
it and no one can 'borrow' it like what happened to my fancy $90 Actron with
the chrome plating, pos & ground leads that get tangled up and in the way
and useless advance dial that I never used anyway because I have a Berg
pulley with all of the degree marks etched on it.
MUADIB®
>
>We should find out if that is really true. I find it hard to believe that
>our ore is magically better than what can be found elsewhere on this
John, And Anyone else who cares, I read not too many years ago
something about the steel can be virtually the same in all areas of
the world. However there are trace elements of ultra minute amounts
that will change the properties of a given
alloy....................such as a "one part per million, trace of
manganese" or the like, that can actuall have huge bearing on the
product.
The Product properties can vary according to those trace elements in
many ways. Some will have a better resistance to rust, some will have
a better tensile strength, some will be much harder and will surface
harden better..........................all that from those tiny bits
of something that might otherwise be considered negligible.
I am sure someone else can substantiate the concept with fact. But A
short search got me a bunch of discussions similar to the one here.
Certain processes will create a better metal for a particular
application also. Such as the Firing and folding of metals in ancient
( and not so ancient ) oriental practices , to make swords that are
superior to most they encountered..................hardness that is
created by the fire itself by introducing high carbon out of the
burning media,..........................
I know, I know,.............this is all useless. I just thought John
Brought up one of those cool points that is worth discussion, and will
enlighten some who have no clue about what makes metal stronger or
faster................
I'll stop the babbling now.
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> Hey guys (and gals), have you noticed the huge price difference beetween
> Snap-on and almost every other brand of timing lights out there? Craftsmans
> these snao-on things do? do they make your engine double its horsepower? for
> that price they should.
>
> since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.
Dave
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perhaps you should check your own.
Snap-on offers three timing lights, one made in Korea, the other two made in
China as per their website.
AllanW
> On Friday, December 5, 2003 7:02:48 AM UTC-7, Karls Vladimir Peña wrote:
A good old fashioned one from an old mans yard sale is usually going mean you're getting pretty good quality for cheapish :-)
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> Snap-on and almost every other brand of timing lights out there? Craftsmans
> go for anything around 50-80 dls, and Snap-on STARTS at 200 dls. What do
> these snao-on things do? do they make your engine double its horsepower? for
> that price they should.
>
> Is anyone outhere with a reason to buy snap-on tools? I have no reference
> since my only snap-on tools are a set of screwdrivers.