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FWD: Need Help with 12v Gen for 36 hp type 1

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Scott Fraser

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Oct 22, 2000, 11:06:32 PM10/22/00
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I'm forwarding this email I got to the group, as I expect that the answer lies
out in RAMVA somewhere. Please hit reply to Felipe (as well as the group) as
I'm not sure if he reads ramva.

Scott

Felipe Pizarro wrote:

> I have a 60 VW type1, and wish to find a 12v generator that would fit a 36hp
> engine. I was told that the 411 12v generator will fit as is small just like
> the 6v my bug has now. Any help on this matter?????
>
> thanX

Note to Felipe,
You should point your news reader to
news:rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled for a treasure trove of answer persons.

Scott

Shad Laws

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Oct 23, 2000, 1:36:00 AM10/23/00
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I know for a fact that the alternator from a T4 will not cut it - the shape
is quite dissimilar. However, I remember hearing through the grapevine that
a Porsche 356 12V generator has the same size and shape as our old 6V
ones... Although Joe Locicero would probably be the one to
validate/eradicate what I just said :-)

I *think* also that Kymco has some special generator made up for this
purpose.

Also, Scott, you forgot to give Felipe's address... so I didn't send this to
him. Sorry :-)

Take care,
Shad


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Nachi11744

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Oct 23, 2000, 1:43:40 AM10/23/00
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>However, I remember hearing through the grapevine that
>a Porsche 356 12V generator has the same size and shape as our old 6V

You heard right, BUT it is an expensive piece of kit !!

Nachi

joe locicero

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Oct 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/23/00
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Nachi11744 wrote:

Check with Stoddard or Tweeks for just the field coils and the regulator

and have an auto electric guy switch the fields. The screws holding the
iron to the case are really tight. Even a used or dead 12V small Gen of
this type usually has good field windings.
Joe


Scott Fraser

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Oct 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/23/00
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Woops,
Here's Felepe's address
mailto:tai...@peoplepc.com
"Felipe Pizarro" <tai...@peoplepc.com>

P.J.Berg

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Oct 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/23/00
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There is a American firm selling these outright, could be Kymco ??

J.

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P.J.Berg
Berg...@Aircooled.net

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Craig Schaepe

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Oct 23, 2000, 10:30:06 PM10/23/00
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Well 356's had 12v optional generators which are of the small diameter type,
but you may not find these they are somewhat rare. On 1966-1967 912's they
were standard and are more likely to find. Figure on about $200-250
depending on if you have an exchange which of course you will not if you are
trying to exchange a VW 6v core. I have one on my 58 Ghia and have been
quite satisfied, very stealth the only thing that gives it away is the
regulator needs to be mounted some where other than the generator. Of
course 6v generators can be rewound also to provide 12v some Porsche shops
can do this.

Craig
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PEPPE

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Oct 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/24/00
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It is needed only to rewind the fields? I rewound an old 6volts ant it was
pretty easy.
To remove the screws it needed a punch screwdriver.
The rotating part can remain the same?

Do you know if a 12volts need half or double number of wire turns?

PEPPE

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Bill Spiliotopoulos

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Oct 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/24/00
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PEPPE <giu...@iname.com> wrote in message
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> It is needed only to rewind the fields? I rewound an old 6volts ant it was
> pretty easy.
> To remove the screws it needed a punch screwdriver.
> The rotating part can remain the same?
>
> Do you know if a 12volts need half or double number of wire turns?
>
> PEPPE

You need to double the (current)*(No of windings) product of the armature
windings, in order to double the generator's output voltage at a given rpm.
This means you can either keep the same field current and double the number
of windings, or double the current to the windings. It's not as simple as it
seems: Doubling the number of windings will change the resistance of the
windings and alter the current. Doubling the current can exceed the nominal
current and burn the windings. Also the converted generator must cooperate
properly with the regulator. You must know very well what you are doing to
do this yourself, and you must be able to take measurements and adjust the
number of windings properly.

I'd suggest that you disassemble a 12V type I generator and get the
windings from there. I don't know if they will fit, but I believe it is
possible. This has more chances to work.

Bill,
67 Bug.


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