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What you guys use for fuel filler hose?

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Vanagon Man

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May 11, 2004, 5:59:42 AM5/11/04
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For a late beetle/super beetle. Both of my bugs are always stinky from gas.
No leaks in tanks, either. The super, still has the vintage system on it
for the evaporative controls.......i know i got to get around to replace the
vacuum lines on it, but it still reeks of gas. The old filler hose looks a
little cracked.


My 74 standard has all the tank vents plugged off, new gas tank, fuel gauge
is sealed well, and it reeks of gas, too. I figure it is the filler hose
(the one that is about 2" across) NLA everywhere i see.

Help or advice appreciated. Your beetles reek of gas?

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Olli Lammi

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May 11, 2004, 6:17:46 AM5/11/04
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Vanagon Man wrote:
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> My 74 standard has all the tank vents plugged off, new gas tank, fuel
> gauge is sealed well, and it reeks of gas, too. I figure it is the
> filler hose (the one that is about 2" across) NLA everywhere i see.
>
> Help or advice appreciated. Your beetles reek of gas?

The inner diameter of the stock hose (the large one) is 48 mm.
I coulnd't find that size anywhere. There was only 45 mm and
50 mm hose available. I got 50 mm hose from a local hobbyist,
who had done his 1303 filler with it. It seals ok if you put the
clamps to correct places. A picture of my new hoses:

http://www.olammi.iki.fi/olammi/beetle/kuvat/fillerhose.jpg

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Olli

Ben Boyle

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May 11, 2004, 6:53:10 AM5/11/04
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I used this
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=FSH0001&cartid=
it was obviously just some kind of regular hose, but it was the right diameter and did fit.
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Wild Bill

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May 11, 2004, 7:43:21 AM5/11/04
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What size did you use for the smaller filler hose that 'jumps' off the
side of the larger filler hose and plugs into the smaller fitting on
the tank?(not the vent)


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Olli Lammi

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May 11, 2004, 8:01:06 AM5/11/04
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Wild Bill wrote:
> What size did you use for the smaller filler hose that 'jumps' off
> the side of the larger filler hose and plugs into the smaller
> fitting on the tank?(not the vent)

The inner diameter of it is 15 mm.

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Olli

Wild Bill

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May 11, 2004, 8:12:10 AM5/11/04
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Thanks Olli !! This will help get my '76 Bug back on the road.

Narley Dude®

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May 11, 2004, 9:36:31 AM5/11/04
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 05:59:42 -0400, "Vanagon Man" <vgo...@msn.com>
wrote:

>For a late beetle/super beetle. Both of my bugs are always stinky from gas.
>No leaks in tanks, either. The super, still has the vintage system on it
>for the evaporative controls.......i know i got to get around to replace the
>vacuum lines on it, but it still reeks of gas. The old filler hose looks a
>little cracked.
>
>
>My 74 standard has all the tank vents plugged off, new gas tank, fuel gauge
>is sealed well, and it reeks of gas, too. I figure it is the filler hose
>(the one that is about 2" across) NLA everywhere i see.
>
>Help or advice appreciated. Your beetles reek of gas?


You might want to unplug your vent ports. About a couple of years ago
I discovered the hard way how much suction a little mechanical fuel
pump really has when it sucked the bottom part of the gas tank
inwards!!!
Man, I was going nuts (ask these guys) trying to figure out WHY the
car would run out of gas at half tank (the float was hitting the
"sucked in" bottom ). To eliminate the gas smell at times I routed the
vent port to a hose going under the gas tank, where it could get all
the air it needed.

Best thing is to replace all fuel hoses, for a "smell free" ride.


Narley Dude®

john

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May 11, 2004, 8:26:27 PM5/11/04
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I was kind of curious if an older model tank would fit in the same hole as
the newer model tank.Ive had enough of the leakey filler hose syndrom and my
current tank is getting pretty rusty.If one the older ones would fit Id just
buy one of those and use the under hood filler.Anyone know?
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Jim Adney

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May 11, 2004, 10:32:57 PM5/11/04
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 05:59:42 -0400 "Vanagon Man" <vgo...@msn.com>
wrote:

>For a late beetle/super beetle. Both of my bugs are always stinky from gas.
>No leaks in tanks, either. The super, still has the vintage system on it
>for the evaporative controls.......i know i got to get around to replace the
>vacuum lines on it, but it still reeks of gas. The old filler hose looks a
>little cracked.
>
>
>My 74 standard has all the tank vents plugged off, new gas tank, fuel gauge
>is sealed well, and it reeks of gas, too. I figure it is the filler hose
>(the one that is about 2" across) NLA everywhere i see.

Are you talking about the 2" hose that connects the filler pipe to the
tank? If so, did you realize that there is supposed to be a special
rubber sleeve over the metal ends and under each end of that hose.
Without those sleeves these joints will never seal.

I don't know why VW used those extra seals. It always seemed to me
that they could have just been left out and the metal tubes made
marginally larger.

Those sleeves are still available from VW. Don't try to use an old
bicycle tube. The rubber in them is not compatable with gasoline.

The large hoses may also be available from VW, but I've never seen one
that was bad.

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Jim Adney jad...@vwtype3.org
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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Olli Lammi

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May 12, 2004, 3:17:33 AM5/12/04
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Jim Adney wrote:
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> Those sleeves are still available from VW. Don't try to use an old
> bicycle tube. The rubber in them is not compatable with gasoline.

The PO has installed the bicycle tube seals to mine. No sign of
the original sleeves there.

> The large hoses may also be available from VW, but I've never seen one
> that was bad.

I've seen one. They had long lengthwise cracks visible from inside the
hose.

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Olli

bill yohler

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May 12, 2004, 12:49:34 PM5/12/04
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> I don't know why VW used those extra seals. It always seemed to me
> that they could have just been left out and the metal tubes made
> marginally larger.

from careful measurements on my 71 ghia: seems the germans used a "US
Standard" size main filler hose (aka 2 inch ID) BUT their welded-on
"tank filler necks" were some metric sized OD that 'approached' two
inch, but weren't quite. it's my theory that the 'wide rubber band
rings' were used to 'make up the difference'...(one can't effectively
clamp a large hose over a too-small filler neck without getting
'crinkles and pyramids' under the clamp...)

also, for fellow experimenters: I tried submerging short sections of
bicycle tire tube in a bottle of gas for a few weeks, two different
brands (probably both chineese? - got them used from a bike store
guy-I didn't look too closely). in any event, they both 'expanded
somewhat' in the gas, over time...haven't tested them for
'tearability' or 'decomposition' lately, though-they're still
submerged, in the bottle, at my shop :-/

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