Kelley Blue Book: value of '67 bug = twice the value of '70 bug ??
Briarpatch
I have a '67 VW bug that I'm getting ready to sell.
The last time I checked the Kelley Blue Book values for
my bugs, the '67 bug in fair condition was valued
at $1600 and my '70 bug in fair condition was valued
at $900.
If this is for real, why (with all other things being
equal) is the '67 bug more valuable than the '70 ??
An (otherwise idle) inquiring mind wants to know ...
Chip Hoover
San Francisco, CA
Deluxe64
>'67 bug in fair condition was valued
>at $1600 and my '70 bug in fair condition was valued
>at $900.
>
>If this is for real, why (with all other things being
>equal) is the '67 bug more valuable than the '70 ??
>
Because the '67 was a unique year for the Beetle. First year of
(standard) 12-Volt electricals, first year of upright headlights, last year
for overrider bumpers (U.S. market), unique: decklid, rear bumper
overriders (angled in center), door handles, seatbelts, rear suspension
(extra torsions), etc. In other words, all other things are not really equal.
I'm suprised that the Kelley book goes back that far. Maybe they are
reflecting the collector values by showing the '67 higher. If you pick up
a copy of Old Car Price Guide (available at better booksellers everywhere),
you will see the values are set even higher. I don't have a copy
available, but I know that my '64 Bus is valued from $450 to $22,000
depending on condition, while the '68 Bus tops out around $15,000. In this
instance older is better.
Bruno Barbir
On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Briarpatch wrote:
> I have a '67 VW bug that I'm getting ready to sell.
> The last time I checked the Kelley Blue Book values for
> my bugs, the '67 bug in fair condition was valued
> at $1600 and my '70 bug in fair condition was valued
> at $900.
>
> If this is for real, why (with all other things being
> equal) is the '67 bug more valuable than the '70 ??
because 1967 was a unique year for bugs they had the early bumpers and
fenders and aprons but had the upright headlights like late model bugs
the decklid is also a unique item because it is long like early bugs
(using the same rear apron) but is kinda flat at the bottom it is also
the first year of the 12 volt electrical system all these ONE-YEAR-ONLY
features make the 67 more valuable than other years and therefore worth
more $ i think theres more things that set it apart but thats all i can
think of at the moment
bruno
JBecker702
the 67 has alot of one year pieces....I don't have a blue book so i don't
know if it's higher from 67 down......I know here in nevada 67 is the last
year that dosen't requier smog (A goo thing). Also 69 is a cut off year for
a classic. ( I know that can be disputed). I would rather have a 67 than a
70 all around......Hope that gives you a few ideas of why the 67 is worth
more than a 70..
John Doe
On Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:58:33 +0200, Piej <pi...@algonet.se> wrote:
>Briarpatch wrote:
>>
>> I have a '67 VW bug that I'm getting ready to sell.
>> The last time I checked the Kelley Blue Book values for
>> my bugs, the '67 bug in fair condition was valued
>> at $1600 and my '70 bug in fair condition was valued
>> at $900.
>>
>> If this is for real, why (with all other things being
>> equal) is the '67 bug more valuable than the '70 ??
>>
>> An (otherwise idle) inquiring mind wants to know ...
>>
>> Chip Hoover
>> San Francisco, CA
>
>Hi
>The '67 bug was the last with the old headlights and some other details
>are specific for the -67 like the door handles and hood. It was the
>first year with the 1500 engine, 4-bolt wheels and disc brakes etc thus
>a perfect(?) combination of old and new. This makes it somewhat unique.
>I believe it was the first year for 12v also, although my -67 is a 6v.
>
>//Peter
Most 67's did not have old headlights, they were the upright kind that
are the same in 68 on. Only the early 67 had the old headlights.
Also 4 bolt wheels did not start until the introduction of IRS which
was in 69 for the bug. I think that disc brakes did not appear until
the 70's.
Tom
Piej
Hi again!
I insist that my -67 have dual circuit DISK brakes and 6v and all above
features as well, however Volkswagenverk continuously improved the
models during the year(s) and this might make it a bit confusing.
//Peter
Jim Page
Piej <pi...@algonet.se> writes:
>>however Volkswagenverk continuously improved the
>>models during the year(s)
I was talking to a guy yesterday who is a former VW mechanic, and we
decided the three "worst" Beetle improvements were McPherson struts, fuel
injection, and the switch from generators to alternators. This might have
something to do with the '70's Bugs being less valuable.
Plus, I think the build quality suffered in the final years of German
production. I had a '78 and I could watch it rust.
--Jim
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Stephen E. Baum
If you don't mind my asking,
Have you compared you VIN # to confirm '67.
Could it be disc brakes from a later year.
I am curious because I am considering disc brake retrofit for saftey
reasons and if it was a stock option, I would like know more about them.
The 6v is still confusing.
--
Later, Steve
'67 Beetle all original (from what I can tell) except the engine.
Anyone got a 1500cc case with the serial number visible????
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Piej wrote:
> Hi again!
>
> I insist that my -67 have dual circuit DISK brakes and 6v and all above
> features as well, however Volkswagenverk continuously improved the
> models during the year(s) and this might make it a bit confusing.
>
> //Peter
_________________
sounds like you have a European model 67 bug. Most of the other features
are US models.
WM
Rob Boardman
> Piej wrote:
> >
> > Hi again!
> >
> > I insist that my -67 have dual circuit DISK brakes and 6v
> > and this might make it a bit confusing.
> >
> > //Peter
>
> Have you compared you VIN # to confirm '67.
> Could it be disc brakes from a later year.
>
> I am curious because I am considering disc brake retrofit for saftey
> reasons and if it was a stock option, I would like know more about them.
>
> The 6v is still confusing.
> --
> Later, Steve
Re the VIN (under the back seat). If it's really a 67 - built between
1 Aug 66 and 31 Jul 67, it's VIN will be between 117,000,001 and
117,999,000.
If the VIN starts with 116,.... it's a 66 model (Aug 65 - Jul 66)
If the VIN starts with 115,.... it's a 65 model (Aug 64 - Jul 65)
If the VIN starts with 118,.... it's a 68 model (Aug 67 - Jul 68)
According to my info, the 67 (Aug66 to Jul67) 1500 had single circuit
front disc brakes, but the 1200 still had drums; and the discs went
to dual circuit in the 68 model, except the 1200, which still kept
the single circuit drums.
The 67 flywheel was supposed to have 130 teeth against 109 teeth,
indicating
12 volt electrics (except maybe 1200s). Two speed wipers and rotary
switch,
and ten fuse fusebox (eight on earlier models) also came in on this
model.
So maybe Piej's 67 was originally a 1200 6volt, but has had the dual
circuit
68 model brakes retrofitted, and a later model motor.
--
Rob
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Use this addess - incorrect address above to fool auto mailers
(1970 1500sp, one owner, 234,000 miles on it's original engine)
Richard Alexander Palmer
Howdy all. A friend of mine just got a nice 1971 411, and is looking
for any and all technical/service manuals. If you can help, please call
Sean at 919-834-2800. He will happily pay for them, as well as shipping,
etc...
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Peter,
US-spec '67 beetles were quite as stated in a followup to your earlier
note. They had the late-style sealed beam headlamps, but retained the
'66-'67-only 5-bolt slotted wheels. Disc brakes were NOT offered. It
was drums all around, or wait til the floors rusted thru and stop with
your feet. :) The '67 also was the (aforementioned) last year for the
old-style bumpers and long decklid. '68 brought on the little crescent
vents behind the rear windows, too.
-Ed
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Piej (pi...@algonet.se) wrote:
: Hi again!
: I insist that my -67 have dual circuit DISK brakes and 6v and all above
: features as well, however Volkswagenverk continuously improved the
: models during the year(s) and this might make it a bit confusing.
: //Peter
Gml...@scvnet.com
Ed Bareiss wrote:
> '68 brought on the little crescent
> vents behind the rear windows, too.
Funny, our '69 doesn't have those crescent vents! I think that they
came in the early '70s
George Lyle
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Jason LeBouef
Gml...@scvnet.com wrote:
I think '71 when the came out with the dual port/doghouse engine. It
was for cooling.
Jim Page
>>Funny, our '69 doesn't have those crescent vents! I think that they
>>came in the early '70s
My '69 Bug doesn't have them, either. I always thought those were a Super
Beetle feature.
Is that correct, or did the later bugs have them also?
Rob Boardman
Richard Alexander Palmer wrote:
>
> Howdy all. A friend of mine just got a nice 1971 411, and is looking
> for any and all technical/service manuals.
> ____________________________ Poor Richard is rapa...@unity.ncsu.edu
Tell your friend to look up Bob Hoover's Type2 pages at
http://www.type2.com/sermons/liturgy/
Bob has a WEALTH of info on type2s.
The engine stuff is great for the type1s that own us too.
--
Rob
R.Boa...@bom.gov.au
Use this address - incorrect address above to fool auto mailers
Timothy Fricker
Actually, the little crescent shaped air vents behind the back windows
was introduced in 1971 models here in the states, not 1968. 68 was also
the first year for headrests, and in the "AutoStick" models, IRS back
axle.
Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled: 10-Sep-97 Re:
Kelley Blue Book: valu.. by Ed Bar...@eng2.uconn.ed
> Peter,
> US-spec '67 beetles were quite as stated in a followup to your earlier
> note. They had the late-style sealed beam headlamps, but retained the
> '66-'67-only 5-bolt slotted wheels. Disc brakes were NOT offered. It
> was drums all around, or wait til the floors rusted thru and stop with
> your feet. :) The '67 also was the (aforementioned) last year for the
> old-style bumpers and long decklid. '68 brought on the little crescent
> vents behind the rear windows, too
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In rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled Rob Boardman <ro...@saserver.sa.bom.gov.au> wrote:
> Richard Alexander Palmer wrote:
> >
> > Howdy all. A friend of mine just got a nice 1971 411, and is looking
> > for any and all technical/service manuals.
> clip
> > ____________________________ Poor Richard is rapa...@unity.ncsu.edu
> Tell your friend to look up Bob Hoover's Type2 pages at
> http://www.type2.com/sermons/liturgy/
but he is looking for Type IV
I have a manual, if you can't find one else where give me a private e-mail
and we can work out copying it for you, it is not for sale!
Bob
JUSA14
My 74 standard has thise crescent vents.
juan
DesertAuto
In article <19970911020...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
jim...@aol.com (Jim Page) writes:
>
>My '69 Bug doesn't have them, either. I always thought those were a Super
>Beetle feature.
>
>Is that correct, or did the later bugs have them also?
I think it is 72. As I remember, this is the only external difference between
a 71 and 72.
darryl
Desert AutoHaus
16574 D Street
Victorville, CA 92392
760-243-1868
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On Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:58:33 +0200, Piej <pi...@algonet.se> wrote:
>Briarpatch wrote:
>>
>> I have a '67 VW bug that I'm getting ready to sell.
>> The last time I checked the Kelley Blue Book values for
>> my bugs, the '67 bug in fair condition was valued
>> at $1600 and my '70 bug in fair condition was valued
>> at $900.
>>
>> If this is for real, why (with all other things being
>> equal) is the '67 bug more valuable than the '70 ??
>>
>> An (otherwise idle) inquiring mind wants to know ...
>>
>> Chip Hoover
>> San Francisco, CA
>
>Hi
>The '67 bug was the last with the old headlights and some other details
The 67 has the same stye as the 68 and later. THe 67 is different in
that is has the newer stye headlights with the older stye bumpers.
The front fenders are a one-off for that reason and do not fit newer
cars if you want to use bumpers.
There is a lot of interest in the 67 for that reason. It is a clean
looking car that is in high demand.
Ken S. 74 ghia 2110 dual 44 weber powered.
Jan Andersson
> >
> > Funny, our '69 doesn't have those crescent vents! I think that they
> > came in the early '70s
> >
> > --
> > Note: Return address altered to deflect junk e-mail.
> > Delete the leading "G" in the address when replying.
>
> I think '71 when the came out with the dual port/doghouse engine. It
> was for cooling.
Not true, sorry. The crescent vents behind rear side windows do not
go into the engine compartment, they are there to keep the rear window
from fogging up. Can't remember when they were first introduced, but my
-74 had them, and I have a feeling my -72 has them as well. Both
standards, not supers. I think supers got them about the same time.
(That would mean *all* the supers had them, right?)
jan
Piej
Rob Boardman wrote:
> Re the VIN (under the back seat). If it's really a 67 - built between
> 1 Aug 66 and 31 Jul 67, it's VIN will be between 117,000,001 and
> 117,999,000.
>
> If the VIN starts with 116,.... it's a 66 model (Aug 65 - Jul 66)
> If the VIN starts with 115,.... it's a 65 model (Aug 64 - Jul 65)
> If the VIN starts with 118,.... it's a 68 model (Aug 67 - Jul 68)
.....
etc
.....
>
> So maybe Piej's 67 was originally a 1200 6volt, but has had the dual
> circuit
> 68 model brakes retrofitted, and a later model motor.
>
> --
> Rob
> R.Boa...@bom.gov.au
> Use this addess - incorrect address above to fool auto mailers
> (1970 1500sp, one owner, 234,000 miles on it's original engine)
Hi
my VIN no is 117170... NO 1200 and original disks
//Peter
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'71 was the first year for the little crescent *moons*...and yes, as jan
said, were for interior ventilation (and actually work!). All standards
and supers had them from '71 on. Interestingly, only '71s and '72s had
them with the little chrome trim piece around the outside...'73 on were
all black plastic and yes, the replacements sold today will fit '71s and
'72s. Chrome replacements are NLA. Been there, done that...
Lenny D.
'71 beetle
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Athomik
My german model 1302 (february 1971) has the crescent vents.
athomik
