Metrinch: good or bad?
Nathan J Nagel
Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.rod-n-custom: 10-Dec-96 Metrinch: good
or bad? by "David A. Lyons"@alf.dec
>
> Anybody have any opinions or first-hand experience with the Metrinch
> tools seen on the TV infomercials?
>
> Thanks.
I would say that the "flank drive" now being sold by Snap-On or whatever
Sears calls their version of that concept would probably be much
superior. Use the right tool for the job! Also both Sears and Snap-On
offer lifetime replacement warranties on their tools. Sears is
undoubtedly cheaper.
nate
John Weir
Randy Oak wrote:
>
> Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
You do have a point, but then again, I do all the work on my
cars, and cannot afford Snap-On. For the cost, and the guarantee,
it is hard to beat Sears. The only people that I know that buy
Snap-0n are professional mechanics.
John
The Boss
Randy Oak wrote:
>
> In article <gmfS2Ka00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, gear...@andrew.cmu.edu
> says...
There is NO comparison here!! snap-On or MAC is far better.
We usually get craftwman when we need to absolutly abuse a took, like
heating a wrench and bending it to make it fit.. etc..
Randy Oak
Bill and Dawn
On 11 Dec 1996 01:27:13 GMT, oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
>Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
the only Craftsman tool I have ever broken is a ratchet. of course, I
was using it as a hammer....;-)
on the other hand, I have broken several Snap-On sockets. they split
right down the side when I was torquing on a tight nut and it slipped
a little bit sideways. I have never had this happen with a Craftsman
socket.
I must admit, I do like the feel of a Snap-On ratchet better though.
laters,
Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco
'93 Mazda MX-3
Phoenix
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, John Weir wrote:
> > Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
>
> You do have a point, but then again, I do all the work on my
> cars, and cannot afford Snap-On. For the cost, and the guarantee,
> it is hard to beat Sears. The only people that I know that buy
> Snap-0n are professional mechanics.
A couple of points: 1- I've never had a Snap-On tool break on me, and 2-
I've never had a Craftsman tool break on me. I'm *pretty* damn rough on
all of my tools, and only use American-made stuff. Craftsman might not
enjoy the same machine-shop following as Snap-On, but they're damn good
enough for any work I've ever had to do.
Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
phoenix
Christian Haller
On 11 Dec 1996 01:27:13 GMT, oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
$ In article <gmfS2Ka00...@andrew.cmu.edu>,
gear...@andrew.cmu.edu
$ says...
$ >
$ >Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.rod-n-custom: 10-Dec-96 Metrinch:
good
$ >or bad? by "David A. Lyons"@alf.dec
$ >>
$ >> Anybody have any opinions or first-hand experience with the
Metrinch
$ >> tools seen on the TV infomercials?
$ >>
$ >> Thanks.
$ >
$ >I would say that the "flank drive" now being sold by Snap-On or
$ whatever
$ >Sears calls their version of that concept would probably be much
$ >superior. Use the right tool for the job! Also both Sears and
Snap-On
$ >offer lifetime replacement warranties on their tools. Sears is
$ >undoubtedly cheaper.
$ >
$ >nate
$
$ Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
$
You have to be a little bit careful here. Sears bids out all of there
tools. Snap-On, MAC and the other US tool comapnies have produced
Sears tools over the years. Accordingly, there has been a big
variation in quality versus time. Snap-On tools are almost always
very high quality - but you pay dearly for that benefit. And snap-on
does farm-out a number of tools to be made by other vendors.
If you are a wrench and use tools all day - buy Snap-On and your hands
will love you. If not, Sears is hard to beat. Of course, I'm also
partial to Facom, who is the present vendor for a lot of Sears and
Snap-On tools.
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David Wei
In message <Pine.SOL.3.95.961211025926.17378D-100000@viper> - Phoenix
<pho...@viper.hardlink.com> writes:
:>A couple of points: 1- I've never had a Snap-On tool break on me, and 2-
<snip>
:>
:>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
Please, don't insult the country that I origionally came from, thanks you...
and yeah, if you want to check out BAD tools, check out PRC (People's Repulbic
of China) made tools... looks like that their casting/machining technique is
still far from desirable... And yeah, I got a set of Vandium alloy tools at
home, and they have yet to show any SIGN of stress or failure...
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I had a friend that bought a brand new Yugo as a beater (I think he paid
1800.oo, it had no miles on it) Anyway, one day he had to change the tire,
and the tire "iron" broke off in his hand. Not the socket part, but in the
middle of the shaft. That was the worst tool I ever saw. I think he kept
it for a laugh.
Dave
David Wei <davi...@uvic.ca> wrote in article
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In message <Pine.SOL.3.95.961211025926.17378D-100000@viper> - Phoenix
<pho...@viper.hardlink.com> writes:
:>A couple of points: 1- I've never had a Snap-On tool break on me, and 2-
<snip>
:>
:>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
Please, don't insult the country that I origionally came from, thanks
you...
and yeah, if you want to check out BAD tools, check out PRC (People's
Repulbic
of China) made tools... looks like that their casting/machining technique
is
still far from desirable... And yeah, I got a set of Vandium alloy tools at
home, and they have yet to show any SIGN of stress or failure...
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Karl Fengler
Bill and Dawn wrote:
> On 11 Dec 1996 01:27:13 GMT, oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
> >Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
> the only Craftsman tool I have ever broken is a ratchet. of course, I
> was using it as a hammer....;-)
> on the other hand, I have broken several Snap-On sockets. they split
> right down the side when I was torquing on a tight nut and it slipped
> a little bit sideways. I have never had this happen with a Craftsman
> socket.
> I must admit, I do like the feel of a Snap-On ratchet better though.
> laters,
> Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco
> '93 Mazda MX-3
I like my "CRAFTSMAN" wrenches and sockets, seem to
work great. Snap are great tools and a premium price.
There is a *BIG* difference between "SEARS" brand and
"CRAFTSMAN" brand tools.
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Randy Oak
In article <32ae1bda...@news.mindspring.com>,
dav...@mindspring.com says...
>
>On 11 Dec 1996 01:27:13 GMT, oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
>
>
>>Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
>
>the only Craftsman tool I have ever broken is a ratchet. of course, I
>was using it as a hammer....;-)
>
>on the other hand, I have broken several Snap-On sockets. they split
>right down the side when I was torquing on a tight nut and it slipped
>a little bit sideways. I have never had this happen with a Craftsman
>socket.
>
>I must admit, I do like the feel of a Snap-On ratchet better though.
>
> laters,
>
>Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco
> '93 Mazda MX-3
The difference, you see is not in the "strength of the socket." I am
sure that I can easily break any tool with a little thought. However,
it is quite frustrating when your lower quality (Craftsman) socket
rounds the head off of the nut or bolt. I would much rather have the
socket break than have a "strong" socket screw up the bolt. Also, try
removing a phillips head screw that has been all chewed up by a cheap
screwdriver. I am sorry, but Craftsman has done this to me many a late
night and it really irks me. I understand that Craftsman is less
expensive. Craftsman does not market their tools to mechanics like
Snap-On. You wouldn't sacrifice quality or price on a lift or winch
would you? So why do it on your tools that you use on your vehicle?
BTW, ask the guys at Currie, Nowak, $WD Hardware, etc.. what tools they
use on their vehicles. I'll bet Craftsman is not their answer.
-Randy
Bill and Dawn
On 11 Dec 1996 22:33:01 GMT, oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
>The difference, you see is not in the "strength of the socket." I am
>sure that I can easily break any tool with a little thought. However,
>it is quite frustrating when your lower quality (Craftsman) socket
>rounds the head off of the nut or bolt. I would much rather have the
>socket break than have a "strong" socket screw up the bolt.
the purpose of my post was not to say that Craftsman are BETTER than
Snap-On. i just wanted to say that the distance between them is not as
much as you made it out to be, and to give testimony as someone who
has used Craftsman tools with no or few problems.
I guess you have worked with some nastier bolts than i have. i have
never stripped a bolt with a ***socket***. open end/box end wrench,
yes; ratchet/socket, no. I am not saying that it doesn't happen, but
maybe i have just been lucky.
>Also, try
>removing a phillips head screw that has been all chewed up by a cheap
>screwdriver. I am sorry, but Craftsman has done this to me many a late
>night and it really irks me.
tell me about it. i have some no-name screwdrivers that i am about
ready to throw out the window...;-) again, i have never had this
problem caused by a Craftsman screwdriver. truth be told, i have
hardly ever had this problem caused by any screwdriver. usually, when
i strip a screw, it is due to Operator error. ie. me using a
screwdriver that is too small, or a screw driver that i used earlier
as a punch or chisel.
>I understand that Craftsman is less
>expensive. Craftsman does not market their tools to mechanics like
>Snap-On.
>You wouldn't sacrifice quality or price on a lift or winch
>would you?
actually, i have been thinking of getting a Ramsey winch instead of a
Warn because they are a little cheeper...;-) almost the exact same
situation; still a great product but just not quite as good, at a
lower price.
>So why do it on your tools that you use on your vehicle?
because the good quality, lifetime warranty, AND lower cost of the
Craftsman tools look good to me as a personal home/vehicle repair type
person.
>BTW, ask the guys at Currie, Nowak, $WD Hardware, etc.. what tools they
>use on their vehicles. I'll bet Craftsman is not their answer.
i have no doubt that the guys at Currie, Nowak, 4WD Hardware , etc.
use Snap-On.
Cheny
How do you think of Popular Mechanics tools? I plan to purchase some good
tools at reasonable price. I will appreciate your advice.
Cheny
B. Shaw
>>> Anybody have any opinions or first-hand experience with the Metrinch
I bought a set from Danmark for $116 to use on my CJ-8.
I think it is very handy, not as much hunting for exact proper socket.
So far no problems with quality.
Only complaint is that when using an extension, socket sometimes gets stuck on
bolt or nut, just have to play with it a second or two and it comes off.
A locking extension would be nice.
Yet to go to salvage yard, but should be great, just garry small box and
screwdriver set and a plier or two instead of lugging my big heavy tool box
around.
I would recommend the set. Maybe wouldn't hold up to rigors of full time
mechanic, but for me, using as hobby, they are fine.
>>I would say that the "flank drive" now being sold by Snap-On or
>whatever Sears calls their version of that concept would probably be much
>>superior. Use the right tool for the job! Also both Sears and Snap-On
>>offer lifetime replacement warranties on their tools. Sears is
>>undoubtedly cheaper.
>
>Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
>
Maybe, broken both, Craftsmen is MUCH EASIER to replace IF you do not work at
a shop visited by a Snap-on, MAC, Matco dealer, or know one.
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Bruce A Shaw
James J. Spero
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.961211025926.17378D-100000@viper>, Phoenix
<pho...@viper.hardlink.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, John Weir wrote:
>
> > > Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
> >
> > You do have a point, but then again, I do all the work on my
> > cars, and cannot afford Snap-On. For the cost, and the guarantee,
> > it is hard to beat Sears. The only people that I know that buy
> > Snap-0n are professional mechanics.
>
> A couple of points: 1- I've never had a Snap-On tool break on me, and 2-
> I've never had a Craftsman tool break on me. I'm *pretty* damn rough on
> all of my tools, and only use American-made stuff. Craftsman might not
> enjoy the same machine-shop following as Snap-On, but they're damn good
> enough for any work I've ever had to do.
>
> Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
>
> phoenix
Just as another data point, I have has both Snap-On and Craftsman tools
break on me (although not many of either) in the 10 or so years since
I started doing the shade-tree mechanic/hot-rod thing. As far as value,
I think Craftsman tools are a better value for the money if you are
buying new. I have found, however, that you can get Snap-On, MAC,
and Matco tools at about 1/3 of catalog from places that sell them used,
which is how I aquire ALL of my tools made by them (can't afford the
truck prices, and wouldn't pay them if I could). I have also found
that S-K tools (owned by Facom, I think) are a good compromise if you
don't like the variable quality of Craftsman, the price of Snap-On,
and you like to buy tools new.
Jay
PS: I'm posting from rec.autos.rod-n-custom, but I follow rec.autos.tech
and rec.autos.antique if any repliers want to cut out some of the
distribution.
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Balaji Srinivasa
David Wei wrote:
>
> In message <Pine.SOL.3.95.961211025926.17378D-100000@viper> - Phoenix
> <pho...@viper.hardlink.com> writes:
> :>A couple of points: 1- I've never had a Snap-On tool break on me, and 2-
> <snip>
> :>
> :>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
>
> Please, don't insult the country that I origionally came from, thanks you...
> and yeah, if you want to check out BAD tools, check out PRC (People's Repulbic
> of China) made tools... looks like that their casting/machining technique is
you mean cold/hot forging... right?
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george
:I guess you have worked with some nastier bolts than i have. i have
:never stripped a bolt with a ***socket***. open end/box end wrench,
:maybe i have just been lucky.
thats right. I have some real-junk(tm) sets. Even they dont
damage a clean bolt unless you try to keep using them
after the sides have split.
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Bill Jenkins
In article <jspero-1212...@egreville.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
jsp...@tsdis.gsfc.nasa.gov says...
>
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.961211025926.17378D-100000@viper>, Phoenix
><pho...@viper.hardlink.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, John Weir wrote:
>>
>> > > Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
>> >
>> > You do have a point, but then again, I do all the work on my
>> > cars, and cannot afford Snap-On. For the cost, and the guarantee,
>> > it is hard to beat Sears. The only people that I know that buy
>> > Snap-0n are professional mechanics.
>>
>> all of my tools, and only use American-made stuff. Craftsman might not
>> enjoy the same machine-shop following as Snap-On, but they're damn good
>> enough for any work I've ever had to do.
>>
>>
>
>Just as another data point, I have has both Snap-On and Craftsman tools
>break on me (although not many of either) in the 10 or so years since
>I started doing the shade-tree mechanic/hot-rod thing. As far as value,
>I think Craftsman tools are a better value for the money if you are
>buying new. I have found, however, that you can get Snap-On, MAC,
>and Matco tools at about 1/3 of catalog from places that sell them used,
>which is how I aquire ALL of my tools made by them (can't afford the
>truck prices, and wouldn't pay them if I could). I have also found
>that S-K tools (owned by Facom, I think) are a good compromise if you
>don't like the variable quality of Craftsman, the price of Snap-On,
>and you like to buy tools new.
>
>Jay
>
>PS: I'm posting from rec.autos.rod-n-custom, but I follow rec.autos.tech
>and rec.autos.antique if any repliers want to cut out some of the
>distribution.
>--
cute ratchet, all in a cute little steel box. After a few years, the sockets
became completely coated with hematite (that's metallurgical talk for RUST),
and began to look quite disgusting. I also had a Snap-On 1/2" drive extension
that lost its hold on sockets (the little ball spring got weak). I tried to
get the guy on the truck to give me a new set, but he basically told me to go
f**k myself, and get the hell off of his truck. I never plan on buying another
Snap-On. Snap-On is okay, but it's about twice the price, and all you get is a
pretty tool that does the same thing as the ugly Craftsman one. Huh, huh,
huh...pretty tool....huh, huh, huh...
I. Mannix
>Maybe, broken both, Craftsmen is MUCH EASIER to replace IF you do not work at
>a shop visited by a Snap-on, MAC, Matco dealer, or know one.
>
>-------------------------------------
>Bruce A Shaw
Yeah, I don't doubt that Snapon tools are better than crapman (which I
use), but I've heard *way* too many stories of people trying to warranty a
broken snapon tool, just to get shot down by the rep. Seems like the
snapon warranty is up to the discretion of the representative, fine, no
reason to warranty abuse, but they don't seem to like to warranty tools.
I'll stick with Craftsman, if I need another, I go to Sears, get a new
one. Simple.
Mannix(I'm not professional, which would sway my decision......MAC)
Ron Tipton
i was an auto machanic for several years and, after trying lots of brands of handtools,
ended up using only snapon. my dealer came by in a truck and delived whatever i wanted.
if a tool broke, he replaced it... and came when i called. i didn't have to go to a
tool store - one came to me.
anyway, amoung the tools he replaced was a open end wrench that one of the teenages i
hired to help out had used to practice welding! it had one end partially cut off and
was replaced with no complaints. i also had a 3/4 inch drive break-over bar replaced.
i broke that one when i was using a twelve foot long cheater pipe. when the nut wouldn't
come loose with me jumping on the cheater (i weigh around 235 lbs) i drove one track of a
small caterpillar on the cheater (it was a REALLY tight nut!). well the damn break-over
broke. i told my snap-on rep what had happened - he said "damn, i didn't know it was
possible to break one of those!" and handed me a new one.
i sure wouldn't pay snap prices if i hadn't gotten that level of service. now that i
play with computers for a living, i buy crapsman hand tools (stay awany from anything
made by sears that has a motor) and find them useable - but no more.
ron
Ron Tipton
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> =
> If you are a wrench and use tools all day - buy Snap-On and your hands
> will love you. If not, Sears is hard to beat. Of course, I'm also
> partial to Facom, who is the present vendor for a lot of Sears and
> Snap-On tools.
I thought Easco was doing Craftsman. By the way, if you want to see
nice, I have a set of Black and Decker (made in germany) 1/2" sockets
that are absolutely the best I have ever handled. Don't think they are
available anymore - originally got them as a closeout from Brokstone
mailorder
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a mechanic,and bought a lot of Snap-On tools at that time. most of these
tools now sit in broken tool storage for a time when I can find a dealer
willing to warranty tools without having to buy enough to have a $200 a
month bill. I had other new mechanics warranty some of my tools, but
when the dealer found out, there warrantys expired on all their tools.
all of my broken tools have been on "Back Order for over 5 years now.
BEWARE THE WARRANTY IS UP TO THE DEALERS DISCRESION if its not
profitable to waranty your tools you sre out of luck!
Eric Klobas
profitable to waranty your tools you are out of luck!
The Boss
I. Mannix wrote:
>
> >Maybe, broken both, Craftsmen is MUCH EASIER to replace IF you do not work at
> >a shop visited by a Snap-on, MAC, Matco dealer, or know one.
> >
> >-------------------------------------
> >Bruce A Shaw
>
> Yeah, I don't doubt that Snapon tools are better than crapman (which I
> use), but I've heard *way* too many stories of people trying to warranty a
> broken snapon tool, just to get shot down by the rep. Seems like the
> snapon warranty is up to the discretion of the representative, fine, no
> reason to warranty abuse, but they don't seem to like to warranty tools.
> I'll stick with Craftsman, if I need another, I go to Sears, get a new
> one. Simple.
>
> Mannix(I'm not professional, which would sway my decision......MAC)
Who ever told you that must have a bad rep, and he should complain to
Snap-On Company!
I have never had a problem with a Snap-On warranty!
FAEspinosa
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, The Boss wrote:
>
> Who ever told you that must have a bad rep, and he should complain to
> Snap-On Company!
> I have never had a problem with a Snap-On warranty!
I've actually heard similar horror stories from people all over the place.
the net, a local mechanic...I'm starting to think it might be the rule
rather than the exception...
Peace...
Fernando...
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I. Mannix
>I. Mannix wrote:
>>
>> >Maybe, broken both, Craftsmen is MUCH EASIER to replace IF you do not
work at
>> >a shop visited by a Snap-on, MAC, Matco dealer, or know one.
>> >
>> >-------------------------------------
>> >Bruce A Shaw
>>
>> Yeah, I don't doubt that Snapon tools are better than crapman (which I
>> use), but I've heard *way* too many stories of people trying to warranty a
>> broken snapon tool, just to get shot down by the rep. Seems like the
>> snapon warranty is up to the discretion of the representative, fine, no
>> reason to warranty abuse, but they don't seem to like to warranty tools.
>> I'll stick with Craftsman, if I need another, I go to Sears, get a new
>> one. Simple.
>>
>> Mannix(I'm not professional, which would sway my decision......MAC)
>
>Who ever told you that must have a bad rep, and he should complain to
>Snap-On Company!
>I have never had a problem with a Snap-On warranty!
>
Yeah, I agree - there were two reps in question, but still - I've heard
some people say "huh, I never have a problem........" Who knows. I'm
forever leery, though - I broke his Snapon screwdriver, and had to raise
hell with the company before we got a new one warrantied - I was using it
as a screwdriver, not a prybar, using the nifty flats on the shaft to get
extra torque (that's what they're there for, right?), and the tip broke.
The rep would not give us a new one, called Snapon, finally got
one....shrug. I just warrantied all of my Crapsman ratchets yesterday,
the inconvenience of going to sears a couple of extra times a year is ok
with me, being that I am non-professional. If Snapon warrantied like
Sears, always, not based on the rep, they'd be *the* tool to have, IMHO.
With C-man, for the enthusiast, though, the choice is easy, provided
there's a nearby Sears - I've warrantied countless tools with them, never
an issue.....even my torque wrench, which as a lot of use considering its
age (it was 6 months old, but looked like hell) - they have a 1 year
warranty, the Sears guy simply asked me how old it was - told him, it was
good enough for him. Got a new one, all ready to go, gonna hope it breaks
within another year (I keep all reciepts;). Best of luck, Mannix
>Later
>Boss
>http://www.servtech.com/public/boss/cia4.htm
Clarence Snyder
oakr...@pilot.msu.edu (Randy Oak) wrote:
>In article <gmfS2Ka00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, gear...@andrew.cmu.edu
>says...
>>
>>Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.rod-n-custom: 10-Dec-96 Metrinch: good
>>or bad? by "David A. Lyons"@alf.dec
>>>
>>> Anybody have any opinions or first-hand experience with the Metrinch
>>> tools seen on the TV infomercials?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>>I would say that the "flank drive" now being sold by Snap-On or
>whatever
>>Sears calls their version of that concept would probably be much
>>superior. Use the right tool for the job! Also both Sears and Snap-On
>>offer lifetime replacement warranties on their tools. Sears is
>>undoubtedly cheaper.
>>
>>nate
>
>Snap-On is undoubtedly far superior to the junk sold at Sears.
>
When I started in the trade in the late sixties, I bough Craftsman
tools and a classmate bought Snap Off (sorry, snap-On) I still have
about 75 or 80% of my original set, within 2 years he had replaced
about 75 or 80% of his.
Mine cost about 1/4 what his did.
I also have some Snap On tools, and some Herbrand, some Gray, some SK,
and numerous others. Most of the major manufacturers build good stuff,
occaisionally you get a bad batch even from the best. The rule is,
however, use the right tool for the job. Any tool that pretends to do
more than one job, does exactly that. It pretends, because if it fits
two sises, for instance, it wont fit either one properly.
Clare Snyder, Class "A" Licenced Auto Mechanic
Recycled as a Computer Solution Provider
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Bill Brandt
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.96121...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>,
FAEspinosa <fern...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
>On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, The Boss wrote:
>
>>
>> Who ever told you that must have a bad rep, and he should complain to
>> Snap-On Company!
>> I have never had a problem with a Snap-On warranty!
>
>I've actually heard similar horror stories from people all over the place.
>the net, a local mechanic...I'm starting to think it might be the rule
>rather than the exception...
In case you hadn't noticed this whole metwrench question, which I was also
interested in teh answer to, becamse a craftsman and snap-on blow each
other contest because someone said that Sears had teh same thing by a
different name. Unforunately, I went to Sears to find this tool and the
entire tool department (maybe 6 guys...), looked at me like I was crazy for
mentioning such a tool existed, after I explained what it was and how it
worked they assured me they had never had such a thing. Is there a
different sears that does, or another store brand?
-Thanks
-Bill
Jon Stern
John Weir wrote:
>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
If you want quality, buy stuff made in Sheffield, England! ;-)
- Jon S.
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Dr Jon Stern
Electronic Systems Group, University of Sheffield, Sheffield S1 3JD. UK
http://www.shef.ac.uk/~eee/esg/staff/jms_prof.html
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Lynn Alan Biss
In <32B57D6F...@sheffield.ac.uk> Jon Stern
<J.S...@sheffield.ac.uk> writes:
>
>John Weir wrote:
>
>>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
>
>If you want quality, buy stuff made in Sheffield, England! ;-)
>
>- Jon S.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr Jon Stern
>Electronic Systems Group, University of Sheffield, Sheffield S1 3JD.
UK
> http://www.shef.ac.uk/~eee/esg/staff/jms_prof.html
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
Must be another "spanner" joke. Thanks Dr. Spammer :)
Lynn
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Jon Stern (J.S...@sheffield.ac.uk) wrote:
: John Weir wrote:
: >Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
: If you want quality, buy stuff made in Sheffield, England! ;-)
Whoa!
I didn't say that!
Bruce Musgrove
Bill Brandt wrote:
<snip>
> interested in teh answer to, becamse a craftsman and snap-on blow each
> other contest because someone said that Sears had teh same thing by a
> different name. Unforunately, I went to Sears to find this tool and the
> entire tool department (maybe 6 guys...), looked at me like I was crazy for
> mentioning such a tool existed, after I explained what it was and how it
> worked they assured me they had never had such a thing. Is there a
> different sears that does, or another store brand?
>
> -Thanks
>
> -Bill
>
> -Bill....@Pop.Cata.Com
fit any size, such as their robopliers. no socket sets though.
--
Bruce Musgrove
Bmu...@mednet.swmed.edu
Frank Yang
In article <32B57D6F...@sheffield.ac.uk>, J.S...@sheffield.ac.uk
says...
>
>John Weir wrote:
>
>>Just stay away from those crummy Taiwanese fake tools!
>
>If you want quality, buy stuff made in Sheffield, England! ;-)
>
Stuff are actually well-made in Taiwan. When you are free, come over and see
what we got. I've been living in the U.S. for over 10 years and had returned
recently for vacation. I was quite amazed at the fancy stuff I saw back
home, like wide screen TV, remote control A/C, 900 mhz headset phone,
subnotebook, etc. I saw this A/C with remote control that I really liked,
but I can't carry it onto the airplane. (I bet you don't have air
conditioner with remote control in UK, at least I've never seen it in the
United States. And don't get me started on wide screen HDTV, my 85-year-old
grandparents have one and I DON'T!)
The problem is that most foreign businessmen are only interested in importing
really cheaply made stuff. So they can turn around and make a handsome
profit.
- Frank
Bill and Dawn
On 18 Dec 1996 01:52:52 GMT, us03...@mindspring.com (Frank Yang)
wrote:
>Stuff are actually well-made in Taiwan. When you are free, come over and see
>what we got. I've been living in the U.S. for over 10 years and had returned
>recently for vacation. I was quite amazed at the fancy stuff I saw back
>home, like wide screen TV, remote control A/C, 900 mhz headset phone,
>subnotebook, etc. I saw this A/C with remote control that I really liked,
>but I can't carry it onto the airplane. (I bet you don't have air
>conditioner with remote control in UK, at least I've never seen it in the
>United States. And don't get me started on wide screen HDTV, my 85-year-old
>grandparents have one and I DON'T!)
>
>The problem is that most foreign businessmen are only interested in importing
>really cheaply made stuff. So they can turn around and make a handsome
>profit.
>
>- Frank
the thread is about tools not A/C or TV's, however, i can't help but
ask, what the heck would anyone want a remote control air conditioner
for??? it seems to me that it would be much easier to just set the
thermostat to a desirable temp and forget about it.
Kiana's a dog
david au <hbbu...@huey.csun.edu> wrote in article
<599e7o$f...@csun2.csun.edu>...
> > the thread is about tools not A/C or TV's, however, i can't help but
> > ask, what the heck would anyone want a remote control air conditioner
> > for??? it seems to me that it would be much easier to just set the
> > thermostat to a desirable temp and forget about it.
>
> To answer this unrelated question- in some foreign countries, like hong
> Kong, and Taiwan, apartments are small and space is limited- a remote
> control allows you to mount the A/c out of the way near the ceiling, and
> most asian guys aren't 6'3" like me.. of course I am 1/2 caucasian....
> They even have remote controlled vent positioning, thermostat, on/off,
> dehimidifiers biult in, etc... asian countries focus their products on
> the few neat 'extras' we don;t take for granted.
>
> -Dave A.
> '94 GT
>
>
Besides, it won't scare the kids.
david au
Dave & RuthAnne Clickner
Never had a problem with trading in any craftsman tools or snap-on. I use
both as an aircraft mechanic for Delta Air Lines. I have traded in my
share. Which tools are better ? Depends.. craftsman screwdrivers are good
as are their wrenches. Snap on sockets and ratchets are better. Craftsman
extensions are ok. Craftsman are definitely easy to replace..I even broke
a screwdriver, stirred a can of paint with it and traded it in with no
problem.
Dave C.
clic...@ix.netcom.com (1990 Cherokee 4.0 auto)
I. Mannix <man...@privatei.com> wrote in article
<mannix-1412...@news.privatei.com>...
Noah
No, don't bother with them.
Go buy snap-on tools for truly well made tools.
Frank
Joshua Van Tol
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.96121...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>,
FAEspinosa <fern...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, The Boss wrote:
>
> >
> > Who ever told you that must have a bad rep, and he should complain to
> > Snap-On Company!
> > I have never had a problem with a Snap-On warranty!
>
> I've actually heard similar horror stories from people all over the place.
> the net, a local mechanic...I'm starting to think it might be the rule
> rather than the exception...
>
> Peace...
>
> Fernando...
For a while, the place where I work had a lousy snap on rep. No more,
his customers refused to buy from him, and he was replaced by snap on.
>
>
> '''
> (O O)
> +--------------oOO--(_)-------------------+
> | Fernando Espinosa |
> | Assistant Instructor |
> | The University of Texas at Austin |
> | Fern...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |
> +-----------------------oOO---------------+
> |__|__|
> || ||
> ooO Ooo
-- Joshua Van Tol
jjva...@cc.memphis.edu
ejn...@gmail.com
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.rod-n-custom: 10-Dec-96 Metrinch: good
> or bad? by "David A. Lyons"@alf.dec
> >
> > Anybody have any opinions or first-hand experience with the Metrinch
> > tools seen on the TV infomercials?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> I would say that the "flank drive" now being sold by Snap-On or whatever
> Sears calls their version of that concept would probably be much
> superior. Use the right tool for the job! Also both Sears and Snap-On
> offer lifetime replacement warranties on their tools. Sears is
> undoubtedly cheaper.
>
> nate