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Mel P.

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:36:29 AM11/22/09
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I just changed my starter on my 77 (stock FI) Bug. I put it a rebuilt
autostick one.

After installing and connecting everything, it would not turn over. I
removed it and did a quick bench trial. It seemed OK.

Reinstalled it, same thing, not even a click. So I jumped the connections
with a screwdriver and it started!
What is more puzzling is the I had my flowmeter out of the car and yet it
ran. I started it a few times w/o the flowmeter in place.

Can anyone explain what happened with the starter and how my Bug ran w/o the
flowmeter?
Anyone who has the FI Bug knows that a small vac hose leak will stall the
car...

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Mel

Speedy Jim

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:56:58 AM11/22/09
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Use your tester to see if there is 12V on the Red/Blk wire on the
solenoid when the key is turned to Start. If not, then something
has come loose (under back seat) or else the Ignition switch may
be faulty.

There could be enough residual pressure in the fuel ring for it to start.

Jim

dave AKA vwdoc1

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:09:22 PM11/22/09
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Like Speedy Jim said......ign switch, wire connection/junction under the
rear seat near the battery. The ign switch can sometimes be faulty and not
let enough current flowing through it to energize the starter.
Test to see if the starter will activate from that wire under the rear seat
to help you determine which direction the problem might lie at.
Hopefully there is no alarm nor starter cut-off switch on your Bug.
AND if this Bug was originally an Auto-Stick then there is a wiring plug
that should have been jumped by the front of the transmission.

So your engine runs with the Air Flow Box completely removed from the
engine? IT RUNS? REALLY?
It might start but it should not run since I think that the fuel pump relay
gets a signal from the Air Flow Box to send power to the fuel pump when the
engine is running.
The Cold Start Valve might allow the engine to start, but not run.
AND if you have enough fuel to go along with a vacuum leak then the engine
will continue to run. Usually at a faster idle too! ;-)

Of course I have not owned a FI-ed Beetle for over a couple of decades, so I
forget a lot!
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later,
(One out of many daves)

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A VFW

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Nov 26, 2009, 2:42:38 PM11/26/09
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In article <hebi5i$r0o$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Mel P." <mpern...@verizon.net> wrote:

do you have a "Easy Start" kit installed.
I always add a Ford style secondary solenoid to make that connection
from the battery to the starter solenoid. Ghia's have the battery right
there in the engine compartment.

Joey Tribiani

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Nov 26, 2009, 11:10:12 PM11/26/09
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"A VFW" <georg...@toast.net> wrote in message
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> do you have a "Easy Start" kit installed.
> I always add a Ford style secondary solenoid to make that connection
> from the battery to the starter solenoid. Ghia's have the battery right
> there in the engine compartment.

I'd hope he doesn't have that.


dave AKA vwdoc1

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Nov 27, 2009, 12:47:47 PM11/27/09
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That auxiliary relay/solenoid fix has been recommended by BOSCH!
At least for some of the VWs. ;-)


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Joey Tribiani

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Nov 27, 2009, 9:07:44 PM11/27/09
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"dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1...@pleasehotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That auxiliary relay/solenoid fix has been recommended by BOSCH!
> At least for some of the VWs. ;-)
>

by BOSCH.... I see.... VW didn't deem it necessary, but they aren't trying
to sell you a relay either...


Jan Andersson

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Nov 27, 2009, 9:09:27 PM11/27/09
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They should have put one in there from the factory. The stock setup is
clearly not up to the task, seeing as how it fails every 40 years or so.

:)

Joey Tribiani

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Nov 27, 2009, 9:20:35 PM11/27/09
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"Jan Andersson" <bug...@spamtrap.rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> They should have put one in there from the factory. The stock setup is
> clearly not up to the task, seeing as how it fails every 40 years or so.
>
> :)

<snicker>


dave AKA vwdoc1

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Nov 28, 2009, 9:14:05 AM11/28/09
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That is an excellent point! lol

But even you must admit that things made today just don't last as long as
some things made in the past! 8^)
Well except maybe metal that has been treated by today's standards to guard
against rust. <g>

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VFW

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Nov 30, 2009, 2:00:50 PM11/30/09
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In article <hecnc3$35k$1...@adenine.netfront.net>,

"dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1...@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

> There could be enough residual pressure in the fuel ring for it to start.
> >
> > Jim

Speedy Jim is God.
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