Expect the unexpected, Joe.
Perhaps you don't know but FLAT 4 magazine have changed their name
to "TOTAL VW". Very nice magazine indeed, 'cause they go 100% aircooled!!
No articles about NB so far. I seriosly consider a subscription to it
instead
of "VolksWorld" which seems to also be going "The New Beetle Way"....
You can check out the cover of issue #1 on my website.
http://w1.111.telia.com/~u11107929 on the "links" page.
-Stefan
Joe Cali skrev i meddelandet <7n8p50$k6p$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>By checking out this new issue of VW Trends it is not hard to read the
>writing on the wall. Many ads for the NB and A3 suspension articles.
>Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
Stefan Frick wrote in message ...
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: "Joe Cali" <NEX...@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: Thu, 22 July 1999 10:42 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7n8p50$k6p$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
>
>By checking out this new issue of VW Trends it is not hard to read the
>writing on the wall. Many ads for the NB and A3 suspension articles.
>Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
>I am not judging VW Trends, we are getting smaller as time goes on and they
>have to go to the larger customer group to survive. A company that only sold
>air-cooled parts here in NY has only a small corner now for us. The bulk
>is water-cooled. They get big buck for those performance parts. I think
>FLAT 4 is the only total air cooled mag left.
>Joe
I picked up my copy of the Sept Trends to see what was up. Looking at the
index, they did pretty much give Air/Water equal footage. Actually a little
more air. See below
Aircooled:
Papler Type 18-a article
Retro Rod Inch Pincher Clone
Wicked Wizard.
Wonderful Westy 66 camper
Resto Custom 67 case machining & prep
Project 1600 Rebuild
Waterpumpers:
A3 chassis suspension install
HPA's monster New Beetle
Golf/Gti Accessories
New products for your watercooled ride
6 aircooled articles and 4 watercooled. Plus some air/water VW shows reviews.
Word on the street is that there are some changes going on at Trends that
should be of interest to the aircooled enthusiasts.
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle
t
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: "Mccotter" <mcco...@u.arizona.edu>
>Date: Fri, 23 July 1999 03:02 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7nae0n$2eu$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu>
>
>Any one have the subscription # for FLAT4 mag?
>chris
Chis:
If you want to subscribe to Flat 4, there is a link in the publication section
on page one of my ACVW links page. This is a UK based magazine. Links page at
http://members.aol.com/vw67fweems/index.html
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle
I'm the kind of person who'll drive by a little business and wonder
how they
are making ends meet. Who are their customers? How much is their rent?
I wonder many of the same things with the magazines. Curiosity really.
What % are air-cooled subscribers? What % are water-cooled? Who gets
more
return from their ad, Neuspeed or SoCal? What percentage of
subscribers have
ever ordered from the advertisers? How long is the average
subscription held?
Aircoolers are notoriously cheap (Except for John Henry), how much do
we really buy?
Is there enough readership to support two separate Trends? Do the
water-pumpers
whine about the air-cooled content? Does a VW Trends booth pay for
itself at a show?
I don't expect answers to these necessarily. I'm sure you empty many a
coffee pot going
over these same topics with the accountants. Still, it intrigues me to
no end.
--
Patrick Buchanan
pbu...@home.com
'69 Autostick Beetle
http://members.home.net/pbucha/vw.htm
Kaferdave <kafe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990723100039...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
> >Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
>
> Expect the unexpected, Joe.
>
Mr. Fweem wrote in message <19990723154217...@ng-fp1.aol.com>...
Sorry to say, but your link is a little bit outdated.
If you check out the web site of Flat4 you will see that the link called
"Next issue"
says:
"Due out on the 23rd October '98"
So it seems it's not beeing updated anymore. Under their new name, "Total
VW", it seems
like they have not set up a new web site (yet), but you can still use the
email-address:
mailto:in...@flat4.co.uk
I have bought the first four issues of "Total VW" and I must say I'm (so
far) very pleased
with the content. (No New Beetles :-) )
The subscription rates are (for 12 issues):
Europe: £38.90
Overseas: £50.90
Australasia: £54.90
-Stefan
Mr. Fweem skrev i meddelandet
Hey, I am cheaper than you might ever imagine. Until it comes to
restoring an Oval....
> how much do
> we really buy?
> Is there enough readership to support two separate Trends? Do the
> water-pumpers
> whine about the air-cooled content? Does a VW Trends booth pay for
> itself at a show?
>
> I don't expect answers to these necessarily. I'm sure you empty many a
> coffee pot going
> over these same topics with the accountants. Still, it intrigues me to
> no end.
> --
> Patrick Buchanan
> pbu...@home.com
> '69 Autostick Beetle
> http://members.home.net/pbucha/vw.htm
>
> Kaferdave <kafe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19990723100039...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
> > >Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
> >
> > Expect the unexpected, Joe.
> >
Intrigues me too. Ppoint is to remember that VW magazines are a
BUSINESS. To us VWs are a hobby....
--
John Henry
---------------
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"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
I especially like Patrick's take on the survivability of companies in an
ever changing market.
Wow, I sound like i know what I'm talking about.
As one of the companies trying to climb the Rocky Mountain ladder :-).....
I would have to say the our obnoxiously yellow ads in Trends tend to get a
good response from the Air Cooled world. I won't whine about the new water
cooled baby as I suspect she will and is renewing the addiction. Another
reason I won't whine about it is that I'm finding that I'm slowing fighting
a case of lust for her.
Pipp
enjoying the conversations
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Dreamer <pbu...@home.com> wrote in message
news:wb4m3.185$yJ5...@news.rdc1.tx.home.com...
> You know, with this remark, and Mr. Fweem's post a few notches below
> (ok, I've been watching too much Emerill), it sure seems like
> something is
> cooking. I really expected more comments from you Dave, yet you hold
> your
> tongue. I'm intrigued.
>
> I'm the kind of person who'll drive by a little business and wonder
> how they
> are making ends meet. Who are their customers? How much is their rent?
>
> I wonder many of the same things with the magazines. Curiosity really.
> What % are air-cooled subscribers? What % are water-cooled? Who gets
> more
> return from their ad, Neuspeed or SoCal? What percentage of
> subscribers have
> ever ordered from the advertisers? How long is the average
> subscription held?
>
> Aircoolers are notoriously cheap (Except for John Henry), how much do
I gave up the coffee pot a long time ago. Now, it is pumped in via an I.V. unit
There are several shops in the area that just work on vws but as for air
cooled verses water cooled...couldn't tell you. I just bought my first
air cooled rig and never really paid much attention before now.
: mikey : wrote:
> I've noticed the same thing as far as shops go...there's one
> guy around here that is all but out of business...he used to only do
> air cooled...I've seen him working on Hondas in recent years. And my
> buddy's shop used to be all air cooled and had three mechanics...now
> they have 6 mechanics and only one does aircooled...the rest is water
> cooled...they even changed their name from New German Affiliate to
> NGPerformance...not totally a bad idea since their first name sounded
> more like a new Nazi organization, but still...They do, however take
> the aircooled people as seriously as they did and as they do the water
> cooled...I'll give them that.
> There's just not the demand for it around here as there was.
> I remember about 8 years ago, I could pull into the Bel Air Plaza
> parking lot on any weekend night (the local motor-head hang out) and
> see a group of 6-8 old vdubs hanging out...that used to be a
> blast...the V8 guys used to do their burnouts...and naturally, we had
> to ablige...I remember Marc's 57 Beetle fish tailing out of the
> parking lot...he works at NGP now and drives a Jetta. Now it's just a
> bunch of low riders and Mustangs that hang out there. I miss those
> days...Now you're lucky to see one old VW a week around here.
> just my $.02
> mikey
>
> 71 Squareback (Keep Your Fingers Crossed)
> 67 Kombi (Pat Flynn...you out there??)
> 61 Kombi (Coming home soon!!)
> 91 Jetta ECOdiesel (For the Wife and kids :)
> -------------------------------------------
> http://belair-nsh.hypermart.net
> Hey, I am cheaper than you might ever imagine. Until it comes to
> restoring an Oval....
No kidding; I had to sell him some parts...
:-D
John
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! The ole air cooled is still alive and kickin' ......
There's just a new baby in the bastinet, and it likes water better then
air..... right? :-)
Chin up!
Then of course, it would landslide into better mail order companies
because the aircooled magazine would carefully scrutinize advertisers.
Nahhh, too un-realistic. ;-)
In article <19990723100039...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
kafe...@aol.com (Kaferdave) wrote:
> >Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
>
> Expect the unexpected, Joe.
--
Nick Hatch
n...@pacifier.com
http://www.pacifier.com/~nch/ramva.html
Page (& Peggy)
Mission Viejo, CA
E-Mail: Our...@aol.com
Web: http://members.aol.com/OurVWs
'68 \X/ Squareback - 1776 w/Dual Webers
'66 \X/ Kombi - Stock - So Far
Kaferdave wrote in message <19990723100039...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
>By checking out this new issue of VW Trends it is not hard to read the
>writing on the wall. Many ads for the NB and A3 suspension articles.
>Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
trends has been covering water-cooled stuff for years; have
you been living in a cave? <vbg>
>I am not judging VW Trends, we are getting smaller as time goes on and they
>have to go to the larger customer group to survive. A company that only sold
>air-cooled parts here in NY has only a small corner now for us. The bulk
>is water-cooled. They get big buck for those performance parts. I think
>FLAT 4 is the only total air cooled mag left.
the new beetle has caused some segments of the acvw market to
pick up; there is no question about that. for instance, both the sac
events and the vw classic have continued to grow in size for the last
couple of years...
unfortunately, tho, the writing is indeed on the wall: it's
called import fever, and it's pretty much all front wheel drive stuff.
most of the kids in high school want hondas, tho, not the new beetle.
the demographics are different.
as for trends, don't throw in the towel just yet:
1) there is a new editor on board.
2) if he's listening at all to a hard-core acvw guy named dave cormack
you will see better coverage for our stuff.
dan
http://www.oceanstreetvideo.com
And exactly how did you come to that conclusion?
Patrick Buchanan
pbu...@home.com
'69 Autostick Beetle
http://members.home.net/pbucha/vw.htm
GFBaja0027 <gfbaj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: "Pipp" <Pi...@gci-net.com>
>Date: Sat, 24 July 1999 01:24 AM EDT
>Message-id: <93279359...@news.remarQ.com>
I would have to agree that the air cooled hobby is alive and growing. I have
over 1375 website links (and growing) of just aircooled VW related stuff at my
links page and am still getting a quite a few link add requests.
Somebody had asked me the other day how I have the time to maintain such a
page. Actually I probably only spend about 20 minutes a week updating it.
People send me the links and it just takes a minute to add, so it is actually
does not require a lot of work to keep it updated.
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: gfbaj...@aol.com (GFBaja0027)
>Date: Fri, 23 July 1999 06:47 PM EDT
>Message-id: <19990723184737...@ng-fh1.aol.com>
>
>I have seen the sme thing vwtrends used to be a really good magazine i have
>july of last year it is almost all aircooled i was going to subscribe but now
>it just sucks. I think they should stay aircooled because that is where i
>think
>the majority of their buyers are. If i ever want to know how to spoil a great
>magazine i will talk to them
From time to time most of the VW magazines have been bashed/flamed in the VW
newsgroups. VW Trends got it a while back, Hot VWs got some flame mail about
their 1600 scat dyno test, and there was a thread in the UK group a while back
under the title Volksworld Stinks. Instead of just saying that a VW magazine
stinks etc, how about pretending you are CEO for the day, and politely suggest
some changes or things you would like to see in the magazine. As long as it is
done in a constructive manner, the guys from the mags read RAMVA and would
probably appreciate the input. Also tell them what you like about the mag. The
suggestion of going all aircooled, while it would please us here, would
probably not be a viable option as the mags cater to the VW hobby as a whole.
This thread may not generate any interest, but below are some things that I
like about the VW mags. If you have a comment to add, please no flames or
bashing. The porpose is to find out what we all like or would like to see
changed.
Here are a couple of my comments on the mags.
VW Trends. VW Trends has a lot of good technical info in it thanks to
technical editor Kaferdave. Since I am not into the buggy/rail scene, I like
the fact that there are not a lot of those articles there. I also like the
Fertig column. (hey Dan, you didn't publish the picture I sent in) I also
like the fact that tech editor Kaferdave is frequent RAMVA participant and
actually owns 6 aircooled VWs, and his wife Leslie drives an 89 Jetta. I have
gotten to know Dave pretty well, and can tell you that he really puts in the
hours getting the articles out. He works out of his house a lot, and I know
that he does not have A/C in his home office, so he sometimes truely sweating
it out, to get the articles done. The writers do work hard. I was under the
misconception that VW mag writers made huge salaries. It is not as much as you
might think. They are doing it for the love of VWs.
Hot VWs This is also a good VW magazine and a lot of work also goes into it
before it hits the presses. I like the fact that Hot VWs has some good writers
such as Dean, R.K. and Jeff. They also have some great contributing editors
such as Bill Collins, Rich Kimball and once in a while Keith Sueme. I like the
quality of the articles and also look forward to reading the VW Classified
section towards the back every month, to see what rare and unique VW is on the
selling block
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle
okay guys quit the fighting :) I love air and water. I have a 98 New Beetle and
a 1954 Oval. Volkswagen are good no matter what
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Sorry, Bill, I only have 5 aircooled now. But I just found another Oval....
Adam
FKA 67 Kafer
What did you find it in my yard and I haven't noticed it missing yet/???
Jimski in Reno
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56 Bug Rust Bucket
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58 Bug Rag w/oval
63 Bug Fat rag
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65 Bug running 40hp
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67 Ghia project
well, they used to be (until very recently) almost all aircooled (occasionally
there was a w/c feature car, but never any w/c news, how-tos or ads). so you
are saying so much has changed in the last say, 3 years or so, that they now
couldn't survive on a/c alone?
>I was under the
>misconception that VW mag writers made huge salaries. It is not as much as
>you might think.
so how much is it then :-?
> and also look forward to reading the VW Classified
>section towards the back every month, to see what rare and unique VW is on
>the selling block
really? last time i looked, there weren't enough ads to fill a column. i think
this is one place the Big Two should try harder. give out free ads, or $5 an ad
to cover costs. this would surely increase sales, i mean readership.
sonny
VeeWeeTeeThree : http://www.antique-shop.com/vwt3
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: sonn...@aol.com (Sonny8oy)
>Date: Sun, 25 July 1999 01:46 AM EDT
>Message-id: <19990725014615...@ng-ca1.aol.com>
>
>>The
>>suggestion of going all aircooled, while it would please us here, would
>>probably not be a viable option as the mags cater to the VW hobby as a
>whole.
>
>well, they used to be (until very recently) almost all aircooled
>(occasionally
>there was a w/c feature car, but never any w/c news, how-tos or ads). so you
>are saying so much has changed in the last say, 3 years or so, that they now
>couldn't survive on a/c alone?
Reply from Bill In a free market ecomomy, if there is a need in the
marketplace, it is generally filled by someone. It seems like if an aircooled
only magazine would be profitable, and survive, then there would be one on the
market. Look at VW Customs & Classics. It tried twice to break into the VW
market and failed both times.
>
>>I was under the
>>misconception that VW mag writers made huge salaries. It is not as much as
>>you might think.
>
>so how much is it then :-?
Reply from Bill. Don't have an exact figure, but if they made the big $$$,
then you would see them driving around in Hebs.
>
>> and also look forward to reading the VW Classified
>>section towards the back every month, to see what rare and unique VW is on
>>the selling block
>
>really? last time i looked, there weren't enough ads to fill a column. i
>think
>this is one place the Big Two should try harder. give out free ads, or $5 an
>ad
> to cover costs. this would surely increase sales, i mean readership.
Reply from Bill That was just a personal opinion that I like reading the ads.
I don't think that giving out free ads will ever happen for several reasons.
#1 With all the VWs for sale, It would probably double the size of the
magazine. #2 By charging for the service, you generally see the rare VWs
in there and not the rusted our 73 Super for $350. That is generally what it
is there for.
Reply from Bill. Anything else
>sonny
>VeeWeeTeeThree : http://www.antique-shop.com/vwt3
>
>
--
Jim
The first rule of holes:
If you are in one, stop digging.
Ain't that the truth! We own the "Poorman's Porsche!" At the shows, everybody
wants a deal. When I was involved in Fiest Audio Technologies, we came up with
a hypothesis:
Most people go to a VW show with roughly $100 bucks in their pocket and want
to come home with a lot of stuff. Hat's, T's, Key Chains, Mugs, a few parts,
some food at the event, and gas money to and from the show. When we had most
of our items that were at or over the $99 mark, we stood there twiddling our
thumbs. For the most part of the day we stood there talking to "dreamers."
"Oh I'm gonna get a Rockford... And then I'm gonna get a Precision Power..."
All sorts of talk about high ticket items and then walk away with only a Tape,
CD, or FREE sticker. That's one of the reasons we purposely dwindled our VW
products, and moved into Vette's. Those guys would ask one question, "Hey that
sounds great. Will it fit my '78? Great I'll take it!" No talk about price
what-so-ever. And while we go to the shows with $100, those guys go with a
couple grand. We Made Money at those shows! But my heart is not in Vettes.
So I moved on from Fiest to Laser Source.
P.S. Here's a word of advice - Never make your hobby, your job! You won't
enjoy your hobby anymore.
Best Regards,
Scott Faivre
Laser Source, Inc.
Laser Source, Inc. - Laser Printer Supplies & Service.
Http://members.aol.com/info4laser
Really? Shoot, NOW you tell me !! I think I have to disagree with you on that
one, Scott. While it is different in the garage at night after writing VW
features and tech and etc., It is still good therapy for me to go out and bash
on the resto-custom, or the single cab, or the 55, or the manx or the 21
window. It is hard to separate the two, however, it can be done.
I agree first computers are my hobby. After a misspent youth I made to my job. Now
I have a new hobby. AIRCOOLED VW.
Fweem
http://members.theglobe.com/Dharbott/index.htm
Dirk
'56 Sedan
'66 Sedan
'79 vert (still restoring)
'82 rabbit
'83 aubergine
Bug-Man schrieb:
> > Aircoolers are notoriously cheap (Except for John Henry), how much do
> > we really buy?
> > Is there enough readership to support two separate Trends? Do the
> > water-pumpers
> > whine about the air-cooled content? Does a VW Trends booth pay for
> > itself at a show?
> >
> > I don't expect answers to these necessarily. I'm sure you empty many a
> > coffee pot going
> > over these same topics with the accountants. Still, it intrigues me to
> > no end.
> > --
> > Patrick Buchanan
> > pbu...@home.com
> > '69 Autostick Beetle
> > http://members.home.net/pbucha/vw.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kaferdave <kafe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:19990723100039...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
> > > >Expect the air cooled articles to start thinning out.
> > >
> > > Expect the unexpected, Joe.
> > >
> >
--
Fweem
http://members.theglobe.com/Dharbott/index.htm
Dirk
As I remember Kaferdave wrote something about RAMVA in one of his colums. Isn't
great to have a promoter like him ?
--
Fweem
http://members.theglobe.com/Dharbott/index.htm
Dirk
'56 Sedan
'66 Sedan
'79 vert (still restoring)
'82 rabbit
'83 aubergine
Joe Cali schrieb:
This same exact situation applies to me as well. I think the only way
to make it work is to win the LOTTO and not HAVE to work. Then you've
got all the time you want to work on VW's...but your not obligated to
do anything. Sounds reasonable...right?
I know the accent well. It's wicked, killah, guy.
Andrew
"BAM!" "lets kick it up a notch"
--Eric
E-Mail: Bug...@sisna.com
Visit My Web-page: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/GoPed/VW.html
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Andrew B. Sachs <abs...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:379CB091...@pobox.upenn.edu...
How many companies are happy to stay at the size (read profit) they are at?
Especially those owned by larger companies (large publishers)? Not many.
Solution: broaden the appeal of the product you are selling, without increasing
costs.
As for VW C&C: wasn't it crap? And din't it first come out when HVWs and VWT
were almost totally a/c? Then you might say they tried again, but would like to
be the official Renault/Peugeot/Yugo importer for the US?
> Don't have an exact figure, but if they made the big $$$,
>then you would see them driving around in Hebs.
dave, in this very thread says he owns: resto-custom, single cab, 55, manx, 21
window. if he sold those, i'm sure he could get a nice heb.......:-)
sonny
VeeWeeTeeThree : http://www.antique-shop.com/vwt3
Info4Laser wrote in message
<19990726105536...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>P.S. Here's a word of advice - Never make your hobby, your job! You won't
>enjoy your hobby anymore.
>
Even if I were to sell all of the aircooled cars that I have owned and worked
on to restore, LONG before I got the job with VWT( for over 15 years), I still
couldn't afford a NICE Heb. Priced a good one lately?
.>Solution: broaden the appeal of the product you are selling, without
>increasing
>costs.
Are you saying we should include the watercooled?? :-)
i'm saying you already have......
i'm just skeptical why.....
on a sidenote, does european car (your sister mag) see VWT as threat now that
you are going w/c?
sonny
VeeWeeTeeThree : http://www.antique-shop.com/vwt3
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Our time is up- VWTrends?
>From: Stephen White <s...@users.anet-stl.com>
>Date: Wed, 28 July 1999 11:35 AM EDT
>Message-id: <lrFn3.2571$5S.6...@typ41.nn.bcandid.com>
>
>somebody said that VW custom and classic is gone... not true, i just
>bought the summer 99 issue. It kinda sucks though...
>
>really thin, and 30 pages worth of the magazine is a JC whitney ad....
>
>peas,
>
>Steve
Thats is why I called it J.C Whitney Customs and Classics. Save your money and
buy a real VW magazine such as VW Trends and Hot VWs.
Bill Berckman
67 Beetle
really thin, and 30 pages worth of the magazine is a JC whitney ad....
peas,
Steve
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-"Making a mistake can be a learning experience, making the same mistake
twice is called stupidity."- Don T. Buyford
Read Dan@oceanstreetvideo's post at the end of this thread. Couldn't have said
it better myself. VWT has been doing watercooled articles since the days of the
Rabbit. Its has not been in the last three years, as some have suggested. I
have also said in an editorial some time ago, that we are not aircooled Trends,
we are not watercooled Trends, we are VW Trends, and that includes everything
from 1938 to 1999.