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DJ

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Aug 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/4/99
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I've been away from the NG for sometime; but, some things never seem to
change.

Everyone hates GEX, MOFOCO, Jacobs Electronics...among others.

Has ANYONE had any good experiences with these companies products?

Be strong and step up to the plate.

NOW, if you haven't been "happy" with your GEX, MOFOCO, etc purchase let's
keep the flame to a minimum, and tell us where we can all get decent
longblocks, heads, etc. at decent prices.

All the decently priced companies that advertise (heavily) in the mags seem
to be trash (according to our NG scuttlebutt), so what do I tell people who
can't or don't want to rebuild their own engines? I find myself discouraging
people from buying from these companies without having a good alternative
for them.

Let's get some positive product feedback going; It's good to know what NOT
to buy, but not as nice as knowing what IS good to buy.

Doug


SHO'N'PRV 67

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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Doug (and whoever cares to listen),
The _best_ place that you can get an engine is your local VW
mechanic, if he/she builds engines. As long as the shop is not named
"Bugformance"! If you are in the South San Francisco area, go to VW
Performance or Volks Authority, they both do excellent work. The main
thing to remember is to not buy from a "warehouse rebuilder". The
BeetleMex engines seem to be the hot ticket right now, since they are
new, and built by VW of Mexico.
I've heard that if you call up Gene Berg Ent. and ask about mechanics
in your area (if they happen to know one), they can direct you to one
they trust. I, personally, would call early or late in the day, and
catch them when they are not busy. They are great people. This is, of
course, if you are in the western portion of the US...
--
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John Connolly

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I don't know where you came up with Jacob's, but their ignitions are among
the best out there.....

John

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G.W. East

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There is one major flaw with the Jacobs Bug Pack....., the cost. I even had
to politely turn down their "Special Offer".

G.W. East

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Circlemaster

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DJ wrote in message ...

>I've been away from the NG for sometime; but, some things never seem to
>change.
>
>Everyone hates GEX, MOFOCO, Jacobs Electronics...among others.
>
>Has ANYONE had any good experiences with these companies products?
>
>Be strong and step up to the plate.
>
>NOW, if you haven't been "happy" with your GEX, MOFOCO, etc purchase let's
>keep the flame to a minimum, and tell us where we can all get decent
>longblocks, heads, etc. at decent prices.
>
>All the decently priced companies that advertise (heavily) in the mags seem
>to be trash (according to our NG scuttlebutt), so what do I tell people who
>can't or don't want to rebuild their own engines? I find myself
discouraging
>people from buying from these companies without having a good alternative
>for them.
>
>Let's get some positive product feedback going; It's good to know what NOT
>to buy, but not as nice as knowing what IS good to buy.
>
>Doug
>
>
>If you "cant, or wont" build your own engine, ( ie take time to learn the
bently manual, and read read read gene berg, john mayer, muir, etc..) then
you have one and only one
alternative,,,,which is to take your chances.I personally feel if they can
put the long block
together, then put it in a car and set it up PROPERLY, you sure as heck have
the ability
to build one. Ive always viewed vws as something you own that will require a
little
mechanical appitude to own.( unless you have gobs of money and want to trust
your
"treasure " to a stranger who thinks they might know what is wrong). for
instance , a couple of years ago, I didnt have time( I own a business, not
car related) to do a brake job. I paid a "reputable shop" several hundred to
go thru , replace and repair all brake components.... ::::::: the brakes
started fading in less than a 1000 miles. upon inspection, I found bad
bearings in the front pass. drum, all 4 drums were ate up ( they
used some "good used ones". and a leaky master cyl. It took, me half a day
to rip out the junk the "professional mechanic junk" and replace everything.
the brakes work fine
to this day.....
enough babbleing,,,,,, if you have to trust someone else to do your work,
sometimes you
just dont get what you pay for.
end
john mcconnell


DJ

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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John,

My Jacobs experience is based on their ignition equipment for Jeeps, not
VWs. Perhaps it was a bit of a leap to assume that the Veedubber folks had
as much problems as us Jeepsters.

We found the Jacobs equipment built for Jeeps to be marginal at best, and
most of my friends have complained heavily about the lack of customer
support when they called with problems. When you consider the cost of their
products, you expect quality, and you expect them to back it up.

Product did not live up to the hype in the case of the Jeep ignitions. If
everyone is happy with their BugPacks, that's great, one less thing to worry
about. My comment was based on my experience with their products; It just
wasn't their VW line of ignition products.

Doug


DJ

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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Look on any NG and you will see....it's real easy to complain, everybody
does it. Long flaming threads are easy to find on NGs. I'm just tired of
hearing all the negative stuff when some greenhorn asks about GEX or some
other company; but, They are given few or no alternatives. Everyone loves to
jump on the bandwagon, and tell them how bad those companies suck,...well
I'd like to hear if anybody has experience with companies that DON'T suck.
Parts companies, upholstery, yes, and even rebuilders.

Trust me, I KNOW that when someone says "they are reputable," that only
means that that particular person has had no bad experience with that shop.
BUT, someone else might. I had work done by shops that within a couple
months I was redoing myself.

I'm just trying to extract alittle positive info here. Give people (and me)
something to go on when you're out searching for a place to spend your
hard-earned cash.

Yes, I've rebuilt motors, and no flat fours though (I did a quickie topend
rebuild with some used heads once); therefore, I have no experience with VW
rebuilders or engine parts suppliers.

I was intimidated myself the first time I saw an engine I completely
dissembled, wondering how I would ever get it running again, wondering if I
might make some ridiculous mistake and trash it worse than when it was
running. Feeling like I broke the old adage,"If it ain't broke, don't fix
it." B/C it was running when I tore it down, but not very well and probably
not for very long either. I feel an enormous sense of accomplishment when I
finish knowing that "I made it run properly (or at all sometimes)."

Hell, I've never torn down a tranny, and I will probably feel alittle
trepidation about doing that. But I'll do it. Others would rather just buy
another one, and pop it in,...or have it popped in by someone else. Some
folks are intimidated by ripping open an engine block or case,...a couple
people have asked if I would help them.

Sometimes this is not a problem; but, I am not a mechanic by trade. I
usually have enough projects lined up to more than use up my limited time
(and skills). AND then there are some people who have much more money than
any sense of adventure, and they have no desire to even drop their own
engine. So, they ask where would to buy a rebuilt engine, or tranny, or
where would to buy certain parts.

My point is share your POSITIVE experiences (if anyone has any) with
purchasing rebuilt engines or with your rebuilders, and your parts guys, and
body shops.


Like I said, look on any NG and you will see....it's real easy to complain,
everybody does it.

So, I am just curious about anyone's positive experience. That's all.

Doug


alwong

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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John,

Are you the John Connolly, owner of ACE in VA? I'm trying to help a
friend locate the owner/owners of ACE.

He tells me that it was a father and son operation when he dropped of
(2) 914, a 2.0L engine, and $2000.00 for work, and now the garage looks
vacated, his cars has not been touched and he is out the cash.
My interest in this is the porche 2.0l motor, he said I could have it if
I can help him locate the Right John and get his cars/parts/money back.

If you are not the right John, I apologize for the intrusion.

If anyone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.

Al Wong
74 Std Beetle

Joe Bartoli

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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i have a MOFOCO shortblock in my bus, and the bug has a MOFOCO longblock
in it that came with another bug that i bought. i have this much to say:

the present block in the bus went thru MOFOCO twice. the first one that
was installed in the bus had the flywheel come off. now since i installed
the flywheel, im not at liberty to say much here. but it was a new gland
nut that i used and i know i torqued it good. maybe the dowel holes in
the crank were ovalled out when i got the engine, i didnt look. the gland
nut didnt break off either. so im not sure what happened. at any rate, i
got a shortblock from them with the flywheel installed. that was three
years and about 10000 miles ago. the motor also has mofoco rebuilt heads.
the bus runs good, has decent power, gets 17 mpg in the city and 20-22 on
the highway, so im happy with it.

the longblock in the bug is OK at best, but the reason for that is the
previous owner. i bought it off a another guy from my junior college, and
he basically beat it to hell. leaked and had a holey muffler. turns out
the heads were loose. i could turn most of the head nuts by hand. so i
had to retorque the bottom head nuts every 3000 miles or so. which in
turn screws up the valve adjustment and so forth. but on the other hand,
with a little TLC, the motor really hasnt given me any trouble. runs good
and gets 30 mpg on the highway.

so my opinion is that MOFOCO isnt all bad. if i had the time, i would
rebuild all my engines myself. but i think the shortblock is a good idea.
you can still check the torques and tolerances since you have access to
the inside of the engine, and if push comes to shove, it can be torn down
quickly.

as for longblocks, i would try beetlemex or one of those zero miles jobs.
a rebuilt one is 800 bucks, a new one is 200 more. well worth it, in my
opinion.

my two cents.

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Senior, University of Illinois "The Magik Bus"
Dept. of Agricultural Engineering 1972 VW Super Beetle
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nebben

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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Factory new aircooled flat fours are ususally pretty good from what I
understand. They're available from various suppliers (scat, beetlemex,
aircooled.net).....

Maybe e-mail John Connoly for some info? www.aircooled.net

These engines are *new* and not rebuild or reconditioned. A
rebuilt/reconditioned engine is usually fine for most applications, but
a new engine is exactly that: new. No wear and tear to re-grind...

-ben
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con...@sisna.com

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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I hear that loud and clear. I only carry two of their ignitions; the
pro-street kit, and the bugpack one. Also their plug wires.

A better than points triggering system helps(electronic, Pertronix or
Compufire) to maximize the system though, even though points do work (I
have em' on my race car to 8K rpms). I am changing over to electronic
triggering this week.

However, Jacobs does have a fantastic anti-theft system OPTION with the
Pro-street kit, and it also includes the electronic rev limiter. The
Bosch rev limiting rotors can be used, but at $30 a pop, the $69 option
is paid quickly with two tune ups.

I support the stuff I sell, even if it's someone else's. I usually
recommend dealing with problems with ME instead of the manufacturer,
since "they" (not just Jacob's, but everyone) is usually pretty horrible
once they have your money. If they piss me off, they lose a lot more
than just "one sale".

John

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con...@sisna.com

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Aug 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/5/99
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You have the right John Al. Mike was warned of our leaving and closing
shop 9 months ago, and has dragged his feet in removing the property. My
father left 3 days ago, and if someone left their stuff, they left their
stuff. We are not going to babysit people's property waiting for them to
get around to "finding" the time to move their property. 9 months is
MUCH more than a reasonable amount of time as lead time to remove a
vehicle. If there is blame and finger pointing, they should look at
their own neglegence and not try to point fingers at us.

In addition (to clear this up), he left the $2K as a deposit on work to
be done, with the understanding that further funds were required as work
progressed. When the $2K was used up, the work stopped and that's where
the car is sitting now. I'm not going to babysit, I did that for years
and won't put up with it anymore.

BTW, a posting like this in a public forum is in very poor taste. Try
private correspondence FIRST.

John

In article <37A9A291...@mitre.org>,

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alwong

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Aug 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/6/99
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John,

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you totally. Like my email said,
I'm interested in the 2.0 for my beetle, and it is nowhere in sight.
Mike said he spoke to your dad, and he does not remember where he
placed
the motor, and that he was going to give him his money back, but I
don't
want to get in the middle of that. I would just like the 2.0l motor.
What are my chances of you asking your dad where the 2.0 is located.

Al

John Connolly wrote:

> You have the right John Al. Mike was warned of our leaving and closing
shop
> 9 months ago, and has dragged his feet in removing the property. My
father
> left 3 days ago, and if someone left their stuff, they left their stuff.
We
> are not going to babysit people's property waiting for them to get
around to
> "finding" the time to move their property. 9 months is MUCH more than a

> reasonable amount of time. If there is blame and finger pointing, they


> should look at their own neglegence and not try to point fingers at us.
>

> John

BugMeVideo

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Aug 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/6/99
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You are probably going to hear a bad report on everyone because these are the
people who are motivated to speak out .Everycompany has a comeback sometime so
you are always taking a bit of a chance. Why don't you take a chance on your
self and rebuild it yourself, it is not that hard to do with a good manual and
our engine rebuild video. If you get stuck you can call me and I will walk you
through the problem on the phone if necessary. You will be getting in on the
real fun of having a bug too. Rick bugmevideo.com

John Connolly

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It's open season on what's left.

go for it.

John

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Lijodi

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i strongly believe in CB PERFORMANCE
and gene berg..........you should too......!!!!!!

SHO'N'PRV 67

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Lijodi wrote:
>
> i strongly believe in CB PERFORMANCE
> and gene berg..........you should too......!!!!!!

VW Performance is my friend Steve Hollingsworth's shop, and he only
uses Gene Berg Parts to build his performance engines. CB Performance
has some good products, but I always ask around before I buy from them.
Their idea of product testing, is to let the consumer do it. Berg parts
won't leave the shop unless they pass inspection.


--
Nelson Brum _|_ ,,,

67 Euro Ghia /___\ /___\ Berg 1776 in the Ghia! :-D

Mccotter

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Lijodi wrote in message <19990806164358...@ng-ci1.aol.com>...

>i strongly believe in CB PERFORMANCE
>and gene berg..........you should too......!!!!!!

Gene berg is the anti-christ!!!!!!!!!!!!

couldn't hold that one in.
chris


SHO'N'PRV 67

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No, Marilyn Manson is the anti-christ!
I'm got saying that Berg is god though...
What was your experience with the Bergs that gave you a sour taste?


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67 Euro Ghia /___\ /___\

M. Gardner

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Give me a call at BOB'S VW REPAIR INC. TALLAHASSEE,FL. 1-850-574-2660 I can
build you a solid engine. joe owner

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VWFWEEMIN

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Aug 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/9/99
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OK Here are a couple of people you can go too. Volksauthority, San Jose
CA.(408)286-7306. He has done alot of GOOD WORK for me on my Bug, And will do a
lot more. VW Performance, San Jose CA (408)287-1232. He built my Berg 1776. It
runs Beyond great and has lot's of power. He will be getting my business again
as well. Well now you have alternatives if you live in the southbay.

Daniel
68 Bug (Francis) CA Plates FWEEMIN
71 Westy (Camilla)


P.J.Berg

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Aug 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/21/99
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It also retains the stock points!!!

J.

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What do you mean you can't hear what I think?

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> There is one major flaw with the Jacobs Bug Pack....., the cost. I even
had
> to politely turn down their "Special Offer".
>
> G.W. East
>
> John Connolly <con...@sisna.com> wrote in message
> news:37a9...@news.sisna.com...

> > I don't know where you came up with Jacob's, but their ignitions are
among
> > the best out there.....
> >

> > John
> >
> > DJ <fourwhldrv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:u1Q2eSu3#GA.357@cpmsnbbsa03...

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