> Ya know, for the four years I've owned my Miata I keep reading and
> hearing that it means "reward" in high German or "high reward" in
> regular German, etc. I would like just one of the people making that
> claim to prove it. I think it's another of those erroneous "facts"
> (like the one about 'there's more spouse abuse on super bowl Sunday')
> that keeps growing because nobody bothers to check out the truth. My
> brother in law was born in Austria and grew up in Germany. He has
> never
You are in English-speaker, do YOU know every Olde English word that
ever existed?
> heard of such a word. When I called two local libraries and asked them
>
> to research it they both came back blank. Do any of you really think
> the
> Miata developement team named your car after some non-existant German
> word? Come on get real. Has anybody ever asked Mazda where they came
> up
And why not? There are companies out there whose sole business is to
produce product and company names.
> with the name Miata (and does it have to MEAN something?)? Tell me
> what
> Corvette means, or 626, or RX7.
Afaik, a Corvette is a type of ship.
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There.
> Has anyone wondering why Japan Mazda (back to like in 1990) called it
> MX-5?
> There were MX-3, RX-7. I am not sure if MX-6 was released or not.. why
>
> didn't they called MX-7 instead of RX-7...
Sure, the MX-6 predated the MX-5 by around 2 years ('88?) if I am not
mistaken..
> Lastly, would that be a better alphabet start with "?"X-5 ?
> and what would you guys suggest?
I am partial to the "M", myself. :)
> ... now , I suddenly think the M does stand as the word Mazda. But why
>
> RX-7 is R but not M? Would that be because of ...something else.. oh..
> like
> Revolution X-7 ?
Rotary [engine].
> hmm, we have 3, 5, 6, and 7 as model series,...and the one from
> concept
> is called RX-1 and it is supposed to be one that has more power than
> Mx-5, and/or MX-6 but less power than RX-7... so... Mazda can still
> develop another 5 sport car series than would be called RX-2, RX-3...
> RX-6 as long as they are less powerful than RX-7.
I believe it's RX-01, not RX-1.
> I believe the MX-6 is the Millenia?
Two separate cars. The MX-6 has been killed off along with its Ford
Probe sibling; the Millenia is still being produced, afaik.
I happen to like the Millenia. I had the opportunity to drive the
Millenia S and it's suprisingly sporty.. I liked the styling as well
(wasn't influenced by Ford, apparently).
Alan
>Derek Hendrickson slurred:
>> I believe the MX-6 is the Millenia?
>
>A millenia is like a fat pig I see walking down the street? I could
>yhrow a fm II turbo in my MX-6 for cheaper and blow a millenia out? Pig
>car? I blow the millenia out all the time, snob pig boy!
>
>[ Didn't think we'd let you off THAT easy, didya Derek? Rule #263 of
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Uh, Jason, is that really you? Did the blondes come back for round
two, or what?
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dommelen@delete_spam.SPAMeng.fsu.edu (Leon van Dommelen) writes:
>
>According to Miata Magazine Summer 91, the word Miata was found
>by Rod Bymaster (product planning manager Mazda USA) in the
>etymology for the word "meed". He was looking through a dictionary
>in search of inspiration for a catchy name for the MX-5; Mazda USA
>was not that sure that they would be able to sell all those Miatas
>in the USA.
Bingo. We have the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) at home and
it confirms this. (But what was he doing, looking at every M
word in there?) The _english_ word "meed" means "pay" or "reward"
(in the sense of remuneration, it seems) and first appeared in print
in Beowulf. Old english. It is spelled "mede" in Beowulf.
It is derived from a number of similar words in germanic languages,
among which is OHG (Old High German). I cannot reproduce the letters
in "mede" (funny squiggle over the first e), but other spellings in
OHG are "miede" and "miata" and also "miete" -- a word that appears
in our German dictionary and means "rent" (like to lease an apartment).
I forget what languages you speak, Leon, but you might pick up some
cognates from Dutch as well as German from the longer list in the OED
if you want to look harder. I assume OHG must be "old" in the sense
that Beowulf is old so it would not be in modern dictionaries.
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>chuck reed <chuc...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>}
>} BODKAZOO wrote:
>} > Anyone have general Miata info on what the word Miata means, if any thing.
>}
>} Ya know, for the four years I've owned my Miata I keep reading and
>} hearing that it means "reward" in high German or "high reward" in
>} regular German, etc. ...
>
>dommelen@delete_spam.SPAMeng.fsu.edu (Leon van Dommelen) writes:
>>
>>According to Miata Magazine Summer 91, the word Miata was found
>>by Rod Bymaster (product planning manager Mazda USA) in the
>>etymology for the word "meed". He was looking through a dictionary
>>in search of inspiration for a catchy name for the MX-5; Mazda USA
>>was not that sure that they would be able to sell all those Miatas
>>in the USA.
>
> Bingo. We have the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) at home and
> it confirms this. (But what was he doing, looking at every M
> word in there?)
I can tell you that. Alliteration. Oldest trick in the book.
> The _english_ word "meed" means "pay" or "reward"
> (in the sense of remuneration, it seems) and first appeared in print
> in Beowulf. Old english. It is spelled "mede" in Beowulf.
>
> It is derived from a number of similar words in germanic languages,
> among which is OHG (Old High German). I cannot reproduce the letters
> in "mede" (funny squiggle over the first e), but other spellings in
> OHG are "miede" and "miata" and also "miete" -- a word that appears
> in our German dictionary and means "rent" (like to lease an apartment).
>
> I forget what languages you speak, Leon,
None. I pretend to speak English (without great success) and I
could speak Dutch if I could distinguish what was Dutch and what was
English. :) But you probably mean: "What languages did they try to
teach you?". Dutch, German, French, English, old Latin, old Greek.
> but you might pick up some
> cognates from Dutch as well as German from the longer list in the OED
> if you want to look harder. I assume OHG must be "old" in the sense
> that Beowulf is old so it would not be in modern dictionaries.
I do not know a word close to miata/meed in Dutch and similar words
(medogenloos, medeleven) I would guess to have a different source.
But I remember from high school that medieval Dutch is often
almost ununderstandable for modern Dutch people. Also, various
words that seem to have a very obvious origin, actually originate
from a very different source according to the language experts.
(linguists?)
Leon
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I nearly cried my baby browns out when I read this...
VERY nicely done, Jason! Ol' blondy blonde doesn't just love you for
your Miata or your dashing good looks, she likes the way you make her
laugh, I'd bet!
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Eli Troychansky wrote:
> Sure, the MX-6 predated the MX-5 by around 2 years ('88?) if I am not
> mistaken..
>
MX-6 was the name applied to the two-door 626. Believe '97 was the last
year for the MX-6.
Didn't the Millenia-S have the supercharged Sterling engine? As I recall,
this engine was/is a gem. Very smooth power and excellent economy.
> MX-6 was the name applied to the two-door 626. Believe '97 was the
> last
> year for the MX-6.
I am not sure if and how the MX-6 is related to the 626. I am sure that
they share some components from the corporate parts bin, but I've never
heard it referred to as the "two-door 626". Not saying that you are
wrong, but I was under the impression that it was a completely separate
model.
I believe that Mazda had an MX-6 "M edition" at one point. Blasphemy!
:)
> Didn't the Millenia-S have the supercharged Sterling engine? As I
> recall,
> this engine was/is a gem. Very smooth power and excellent economy.
Yes sir. Don't remember if "Sterling" was the official designation, but
I believe that it utilized a twin-screw (Lysholm?) supercharger. I
didn't have the opportunity to observe the mileage first hand, but the
are indeed impressive.. The Millenia is still being produced, right?
> The Millenia was supposed to be the first car in Mazda's 'image brand'
>
> to compete with Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti. Mazda rethought the idea,
> deciding there was too much competition already, but the Millenia was
> already done. IMO, it is one of the most stylish AND sporty sedans
> around.
Amen.
As I previously mentioned, the brand was supposed to be called "Amati".
Hmm, wonder what word that is an amalgam of. :)
> Jeff Burns wrote:
> > Eli Troychansky wrote:
> > > Sure, the MX-6 predated the MX-5 by around 2 years ('88?) if I am not
> > > mistaken..
> > MX-6 was the name applied to the two-door 626. Believe '97 was the last
> > year for the MX-6.
The 626 and MX-6 shared mainly some powertrain stuff. Unlike the 626,
the MX-6 & Ford Probe are essentially the same car. An MX-6 2-door is
more than 200 pounds heavier (larger) than a 4-door 626, which has also
always been available in a lighter 2-door, even back to the RWD 1979
model. In the June '86 "Car & Driver", the 626 GT had a 98.8 inch
wheelbase and a 2680 pound curb weight. In the March '88 "Car & Driver",
the Probe GT had a 99.0 inch wheelbase & weighed 2940 pounds.
> > Didn't the Millenia-S have the supercharged Sterling engine? As I recall,
> > this engine was/is a gem. Very smooth power and excellent economy.
> It was a Miller-Cycle engine, I recall that. I can't, for the life of
> me, remember how a Miller Cycle engine works -- anybody care to explain?
Miller cycle is a fancy name for Mazda's supercharging system. The
intake valves close very late, much like the auxiliary ports in the
6-port rotary. When I find the article in "Road & Track" or "Car &
Driver" in the next week or so, it will be listed on my site among the
road test articles (Millenia S) at
http://www.gate.net/~mrmazda/magtests.txt
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Not to mention that the MX6 was the first Japanese car to be classified
as a domestic in the United States due to largely American parts
content, IIRC.
S&W
I believe that the 626 sedan was the first auto to be classified as such (my
turn---IIRC!). Both the MX-6 and 626 were built in the Ford/Mazda
joint-venture plant at Flat Rock, MI; all MX-6s were built there, while the
626 was also built in Japan at the same time until Mazda began to source all
626 production from the States.
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Doesn't the Miller engine run on 6-packs? ;-)
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Amati
(1)a violin made by a member of the Amati family of Cremona
(2) family of Italian violin makers of Cremona: especially Nicolò
1596-1684; teacher of Antonio Stradivari and of Andrea Guarneri;
improved violin and developed grand Amati
PS - Eli, as someone else posted, the Millenia engine is a Miller Cycle,
not a Sterling.
Alan
> Interestingly enough, Amati is a real word, too!
>
> Amati
> (1)a violin made by a member of the Amati family of Cremona
> (2) family of Italian violin makers of Cremona: especially Nicolò
> 1596-1684; teacher of Antonio Stradivari and of Andrea Guarneri;
> improved violin and developed grand Amati
Let me guess. Olde Swahili? :)
Interesting bit of trivia. In all seriousness, I happen to like "Amati"
as a name for a luxury car line. It has a certain ring to it. Perhaps we
will eventually see it on a production car, unless Ford has other
plans..
> PS - Eli, as someone else posted, the Millenia engine is a Miller
> Cycle,
> not a Sterling.
Never said that it was -- someone else did. But thanks for removing all
doubt..
I did say that the engine might have been augmented with a Lysholm
(sic?) supercharger. I am not sure if that's been discredited? I haven't
seen any posts regarding the type of supercharger that it utilized..
Gaaaaaaad, Kennedy! You're wittier than that, we've seen it!
Uhhhhhhhh..... Italian (since it is a family name of the teacher of
Antonio Stradivari and of Andrea Guarneri - if those names aren't
familiar, you don't know much about violins!- Maybe if I knew more, I
would have been familiar with Amati!) BTW, until this thread I never
knew there were so many online dictionaries! As a closet
etymology-addict, this could be worse than my dictionary-reading
tendencies!
>
> Interesting bit of trivia. In all seriousness, I happen to like "Amati"
> as a name for a luxury car line. It has a certain ring to it.
I agree - it sounds classy
> > PS - Eli, as someone else posted, the Millenia engine is a Miller
> > Cycle,
> > not a Sterling.
>
> Never said that it was -- someone else did. But thanks for removing all
> doubt..
Man, these "**** wrote:" things are hard to follow sometimes!!!
>
> I did say that the engine might have been augmented with a Lysholm
> (sic?) supercharger.
It *is* a Lysholm (or something spelled close to that!) supercharger.
Somewhere in my massive dust-covered archives I have several articles on
exactly how that funky Miller cycle thing works! It is basically a
normal internal combustion piston engine with very strange valve timing
that uses the supercharger to make the air go in the right direction
moreso than 'packing' the cylinders in a typical turbo/supercharger
application.
Alan
>Just wondering... did any of you ever (originally) think the Miata name
>came from the Siata (Spring)? >
Societa Italiana Applicazione Trasformazione Automobilistiche. The name of the
company that built the pitiful Spring...but of course, you read the July SCC,
too?
> I mean, it's a roadster just like the
>Miata, >
"Just like the Miata?" LOL!
> and it has the round headlights, and the name sounds the same...
>
>Ugly has hell though. = )
>
>
Too bad they didn't fit pop-ups to it.... ;-)
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> Anyone have general Miata info on what the word Miata means, if any
> thing.
German for "reward". Don't recall whether it's an origin or the literal
translation.
Me oughta get one.
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Well, according to the first articles, written by those that drove the
production prototypes in 1989 and published in the same year, Mazda
is "one of the people making that claim."
I think it's another of those erroneous "facts"
> (like the one about 'there's more spouse abuse on super bowl Sunday')
> that keeps growing because nobody bothers to check out the truth. My
> brother in law was born in Austria and grew up in Germany. He has never
> heard of such a word.
It's archaic. It's not used anymore. There are many words in English
I gar-on-tee you wouldn't recognize if spoken, and neither would most
scholars.
When I called two local libraries and asked them
> to research it they both came back blank.
Just because you work in a library doesn't make you an expert on
language, especially one that is foreign. Hell, just because you work
in a library doesn't even mean you can *read.*
Do any of you really think the
> Miata developement team named your car after some non-existant German
> word?
In a word? Yes. Stranger things have happened. Think about it. Axxess,
Lexus, Camry, Infiniti amongst others. These aren't even words. But they
use them for cars.
Come on get real. Has anybody ever asked Mazda where they came up
> with the name Miata (and does it have to MEAN something?)? Tell me what
> Corvette means, or 626, or RX7.
626 and RX7 are numerical designations, just like MX5. I don't remember
the story behind corvette, but I do know that some ships are called
corvettes.
Peter Brusa has the original Miata article from, I believe, Road and
Track, where the definition of Miata is given. The author drove the
car and got the press kit from Mazda, so I would say he is right.
Sorry, but I can't get more real than this.
> BODKAZOO wrote:
> > Anyone have general Miata info on what the word Miata means, if any thing.
> Ya know, for the four years I've owned my Miata I keep reading and
> hearing that it means "reward" in high German or "high reward" in
> regular German, etc. I would like just one of the people making that
> claim to prove it. I think it's another of those erroneous "facts"
> (like the one about 'there's more spouse abuse on super bowl Sunday')
> that keeps growing because nobody bothers to check out the truth. My
> brother in law was born in Austria and grew up in Germany. He has never
> heard of such a word. When I called two local libraries and asked them
> to research it they both came back blank. Do any of you really think the
> Miata developement team named your car after some non-existant German
> word? Come on get real. Has anybody ever asked Mazda where they came up
> with the name Miata (and does it have to MEAN something?)? Tell me what
> Corvette means, or 626, or RX7.
Mazda *R*otary models e*X*ported and model year first sold in the US
were:
1 1970 R-100 (Japanese Familia)
2 1971 RX-2 (Japanese Capella)
3 1972 RX-3 (Japanese Savanna)
4 1974 RX-4 (Japanese Luce)
5 1974 REPU (Rotary Engine PickUp, sold only in the US market)
6 1976 Cosmo (RX-5 in some markets)
7 1979 RX-7
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The reason you were unable to find the word is because of a variation in
the spelling. I believe it was originally two seperate words.
Why does it bother you so much? Do you feel that this is all just a big
conspiracy by Mazda to trick us?
Maybe a nice long drive would do you some good, Chief.
>BODKAZOO wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have general Miata info on what the word Miata means, if any thing.
>
>
>
>Ya know, for the four years I've owned my Miata I keep reading and
>hearing that it means "reward" in high German or "high reward" in
>regular German, etc. I would like just one of the people making that
>claim to prove it. I think it's another of those erroneous "facts"
>(like the one about 'there's more spouse abuse on super bowl Sunday')
>that keeps growing because nobody bothers to check out the truth. My
>brother in law was born in Austria and grew up in Germany. He has never
>heard of such a word. When I called two local libraries and asked them
>to research it they both came back blank. Do any of you really think the
>Miata developement team named your car after some non-existant German
>word? Come on get real. Has anybody ever asked Mazda where they came up
>with the name Miata
According to Miata Magazine Summer 91, the word Miata was found
by Rod Bymaster (product planning manager Mazda USA) in the
etymology for the word "meed". He was looking through a dictionary
in search of inspiration for a catchy name for the MX-5; Mazda USA
was not that sure that they would be able to sell all those Miatas
in the USA.
>(and does it have to MEAN something?)? Tell me what
>Corvette means, or 626, or RX7.
Leon
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Rotary for the engine would be my guess.
Ron.
(Which actually stands for Rotary On ;-) ).
But "Miata", "Eunos" and "MX-5" .... I still like the name MX-5.
Has anyone wondering why Japan Mazda (back to like in 1990) called it MX-5?
There were MX-3, RX-7. I am not sure if MX-6 was released or not.. why
didn't they called MX-7 instead of RX-7...
Lastly, would that be a better alphabet start with "?"X-5 ?
and what would you guys suggest?
... now , I suddenly think the M does stand as the word Mazda. But why
RX-7 is R but not M? Would that be because of ...something else.. oh.. like
Revolution X-7 ?
hmm, we have 3, 5, 6, and 7 as model series,...and the one from concept
is called RX-1 and it is supposed to be one that has more power than
Mx-5, and/or MX-6 but less power than RX-7... so... Mazda can still
develop another 5 sport car series than would be called RX-2, RX-3...
RX-6 as long as they are less powerful than RX-7.
Then...May be they shall call it RX-6 instead of RX-1 if it is going to be
more power than the MX-5 ...so that MX-5 will later re-modified and
change to RX-5. (forget it... I know I say too much...)
However, I think that doesn't sound good. What one might sound good is
"Miata R" or "Miata Revolution".
my little thought ...
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Ya know, for the four years I've owned my Miata I keep reading and
hearing that it means "reward" in high German or "high reward" in
regular German, etc. I would like just one of the people making that
claim to prove it. I think it's another of those erroneous "facts"
(like the one about 'there's more spouse abuse on super bowl Sunday')
that keeps growing because nobody bothers to check out the truth. My
brother in law was born in Austria and grew up in Germany. He has never
heard of such a word. When I called two local libraries and asked them
to research it they both came back blank. Do any of you really think the
Miata developement team named your car after some non-existant German
word? Come on get real. Has anybody ever asked Mazda where they came up
with the name Miata (and does it have to MEAN something?)? Tell me what
Main Entry: meed
Pronunciation: 'mEd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English mEd; akin to Old High German
miata reward, Greek misthos
Date: before 12th century
1 archaic : an earned reward or wage
2 : a fitting return or recompense
Johannes
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A millenia is like a fat pig I see walking down the street? I could
yhrow a fm II turbo in my MX-6 for cheaper and blow a millenia out? Pig
car? I blow the millenia out all the time, snob pig boy!
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>...and the corvette was named after a sleek looking sub-hunting ship from the
>eara.
From Webster's Dictionary Online -
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=corvette
Main Entry: cor暇ette
Pronunciation: kor-'vet
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch
corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket -- more at CORF
Date: 1636
1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a
frigate
2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than
a destroyer
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