Why do people mod Honda Civics?
White Tornado
answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think of one
logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the problem)
would choose to modify a Honda Civic. It's my assertion that the
Honda Civic is actually a worse platform to mod than most minivans.
For this fact, the Honda Civic engine is more inept and smaller than
most minivan engines.
Logically it would make sense to mod a car that was designed from the
start with some thought toward performance. Clearly the Civic was
designed to go from point A to point B using the least amount of gas
and having little to no style and certainly no performance.
Here are some pros and cons for making a Civic into a performance car:
--- Cons ---
* Poor weight distribution
* Front wheel drive
* Tiny engine designed for good gas mileage
* Weak brakes
* Flexable chassis
* No wheel well room for decent tires/rims
--- Pros ---
* None, zero, zip, nada. There is nothing about the design of the
Civic
that lends itself to anything related to performance. It's made to
be
what it is cheap slow transportation.
Ricers. I'm trying to help you out here because I am clearly more
informed than you. If you are considering the purchase and
modification of a Civic,
please don't do it. If you need to go rice because of your "asian
thing" or
you have to be a lemming and do what everyone else does so that you a
can
be an "in" or "cool" lemming buy a Miata. It's a much better choice
for performance work. It has a little style. And if you are worried
about looking like a fag driving around in a Miata? Just think about
what you look like driving a Civic with a giant wing and a muff that
looks like a coffee can.
For the betterment of society,
WT!
RedGTS
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joe monte
gotta be cool too. So they get mom or dad to finance 1, and since they dont
know much they go with an automatic and to look cool and to fake it being a
stickshift they pop it into neutral on a hill....Ive seen it happen.
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men can
answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think
of one
logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the
problem)
the
Ford Mustang is actually a worse platform to mod than most
minivans. And Yugos.
For this fact, the Ford Mustang engine is more inefficient and
larger than
most minivan engines which make as much power.
Logically it would make sense to mod a car that was designed
from the
start with some thought toward performance. Clearly the Mustang
was
designed to go from point A to point B using the most amount of
gas
and having little to no style and certainly no performance.
Here are some pros and cons for making a Mustang into a
performance car:
--- Cons ---
* Poor weight distribution-Meager power to rear wheels, no
weight to allow power to transfer.
* Rear wheel drive
* Large inefficient engine designed for trucks
* Weak brakes
* Flexable chassis
* Driven by cagers of average intelligience...except funny
looking
--- Pros ---
* None, zero, zip, nada. There is nothing about the design of
the
Mustang
that lends itself to anything related to performance. It's
made to
be
what it is cheap slow transportation. Particularly the 6
cylinder. Which is poorly built to boot.
Idiot cagers. I'm trying to help you out here because I am
clearly more
informed than you. If you are considering the purchase and
modification of a Mustang,
please don't do it. If you need to go domestic because its
cheap or made in your town, you don't have to be a lemming and
do what everyone else does so that you a
can
be an "in" or "cool" lemming buy a Miata. It's a much better
choice
for performance work. It has a little style. And if you are
worried
about looking like a fag driving around in a Miata? Just think
about
what you look like driving a Mustang with a giant wing and a
David Brodbeck
> I have some questions that I think only some true hard core ricers can
> answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think of one
> logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the problem)
> would choose to modify a Honda Civic.
It seems a bit silly to me, but I'm guessing it's for the same reasons
people modify VW Beetles.
- They're cheap
- It's a challenge
- Unlike modifying American cars, it doesn't require having two first
names and owning a Confederate flag
tomk
btw, nice wishlist. you want us to buy them for you as an xmas
gift as you apparently don't have the $$ for em.
don't hate lest ye be hated.
Ralph Snart
rock!
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C. Olofsson
> answer
Then why post them here?
Cindy
'96 laser red AODE GTS
Sid
weigh much. You can purchase one weighing 2400 lbs. with the heaviest
"sporty" model at 2700lbs w/ 160hp. Not bad I guess. Personally I'll stick
with american cars for an econo purchase. Like a Z24 or something.
'95 v6
'97 Cobra
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Crunchy Cookie
have every reason to buy Sentra SE-Rs or 240SXs instead. Far superior
platforms.
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Bill S.
Your trolling crossposts are getting even better.....A C + for this
one.............Now that you have garnered a passing grade, go slither
back under your rock......
White Tornado
This proves that if you extend the timeline long enough eventually you
will become legit.
Hambone rules I wish I knew were he was.
White Tornado
B) Stop being a pussy.
C) Go back to A.
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Troll.
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Subic Sailor
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<snip>
> >For the betterment of society,
> >WT!
>
> Troll.
But one with longevity, if not consistency. On occasion he can be funny,
the same way hemorrhoids with diarrhea is funny when you're deflowering your
bride on your wedding night when you're out of toilet paper with the water
lines broken.
*taking a seat in the bleachers*
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> answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think of one
> logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the problem)
> would choose to modify a Honda Civic.
It's fun to tinker with mechanical stuff. That's all the logic anyone
needs.
> It's my assertion that the
> Honda Civic is actually a worse platform to mod than most minivans.
That would be a gratuitous baseless assertion.
> For this fact, the Honda Civic engine is more inept and smaller than
> most minivan engines.
By that same logic, the Mazda Miata and certain Lotus cars must be "worse
platform to mod" than most minivans. I am sure you'll find people to
disagree with you.
> Logically it would make sense to mod a car that was designed from the
> start with some thought toward performance.
Such as the Civic.
> Clearly the Civic was
> designed to go from point A to point B using the least amount of gas
> and having little to no style and certainly no performance.
Personal opinion is a wonderful thing.
>
> Here are some pros and cons for making a Civic into a performance car:
>
> --- Cons ---
>
> * Poor weight distribution
I wouldn't call it poor. It's not ideal, but it is capable of handling
well.
> * Front wheel drive
Certainly doesn't stop the Prelude from being named the best handling car
for under $30K.
> * Tiny engine designed for good gas mileage
Take a look at a B16A2, or any of the high output DOHC VTEC engine variants.
> * Weak brakes
Easily fixed.
> * Flexable chassis
By what standard?
> * No wheel well room for decent tires/rims
LOL. You gotta be kidding me. You think larger tire diameter or
wider-than-necessary tires will improve the Civic's performance? Pick a low
weight 16" rim and mount some autocrossing shallow-groove tires. That's all
you need.
> Ricers. I'm trying to help you out here because I am clearly more
> informed than you.
I just realized you are a troll. Sigh, a waste of my time.
Lee Cao
Stephan Rose
> "Christopher K. Greenhalgh" <c...@osu.edu> wrote in message
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>> On 29 Oct 2002 18:35:14 -0800, whitet...@irondonut.com (White
>> Tornado) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> For the betterment of society,
>>> WT!
>>
>> Troll.
>
> But one with longevity, if not consistency. On occasion he can be
> funny, the same way hemorrhoids with diarrhea is funny when you're
> deflowering your bride on your wedding night when you're out of
> toilet paper with the water lines broken.
>
*OUCH*......now that would suck....
far...@email.hondaman.com
>Personally I don't like 'em but I think people mod them because they don't
>weigh much. You can purchase one weighing 2400 lbs. with the heaviest
>"sporty" model at 2700lbs w/ 160hp. Not bad I guess. Personally I'll stick
>with american cars for an econo purchase. Like a Z24 or something.
Hmm... american ones.... strange from factory my wifes 99 civic ex is made
up of 99.97% American parts and 100 % American Labor. How many "American"
car companies can say that. Plus Honda is currently the only "Import" car
compny to contribute to the GNP. But that is another story....
Pending on the mods, you can bring a Civic into a performance range that
would smoke many cars out there that cost much ,much more. Figure you
purchase a salvage 99 civic for 3.5k, put 3k in for body repairs, purchase
a JDM B18cr5 200hp with LSD hydro tranny for 4k, or a b18c 180hp for 3k,
exhaust, braking, and suspension items for another 2.5k. do most of the
work yourself, sell salvaged parts and scrap for 1300, and and there you
have a 12-13k car that will smoke the doors of of most cars out there....
hmm I'll put it against your v6 any day, and probably win.
Kevin
NON RICED
99 Honda Civic Baby R
B18Cr5
DAC,4-2-1 header
upper front/rear tie bar
lower front/reat tie bar
rear sway bar
sofsport springs
Bilstein Sport Shocks
cross drilleed rotors
greenstuff brake pads
Konig Green Light Silver 15"
Pirelli P700-Z 205/50R
218hp 142 lbft (dynojet tested)
1/4 ile in 12.82 @ 105mph
60-0 in 116ft
No Nitro,
I Have recieved better times and HP ratings with 106+ octane fuel
Total cost 14,250. 6 months to construct. very fun to drive. Can your V6
beat me?
David Brodbeck
> Pending on the mods, you can bring a Civic into a performance range that
> would smoke many cars out there that cost much ,much more.
But would it out-accellerate a Dodge Omni GLH? ;)
That little econobox was a Camaro driver's nightmare. It would beat any
stock Camaro to 60 mph (if you could keep it going in a straight line.)
Shawn M. Hayes,
whitet...@irondonut.com says...
> A) Try to be factual.
> B) Stop being a pussy.
> C) Go back to A.
Weak retort to an excellent parody. Shows the intellectual strength of
the responder (i.e. none)
Shawn
Shawn M. Hayes
whitet...@irondonut.com says...
> I have some questions that I think only some true hard core ricers can
> answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think of one
> logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the problem)
> would choose to modify a Honda Civic.
Because it's fun as hell to look over into the lane of the moron driver
in the domestic watch as you pull by for the win at the local 1/4 mile
track as he realizes that he spent $20,000+ on his ill handling heap,
while not only are you faster at the autocross, but you are also faster
on the road course, and now you're even faster at the drag track for
less than $15,000.
Shawn
slackerbot
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rich
White Tornado
you to pay attention to this cause it's really important:
The Miata is a rear wheel drive car with great weight balance that was
designed to handle well.
The Civic is a cheap point-A to point-B car that was designed to get
good gas mileage.
It's like saying a fruit salad can be modified into a hamburger. When
you're done it's really still fruit salad.
WT.
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Most of this was actually not too bad, except for:
>
> --- Cons ---
>
> * Rear wheel drive
A quick survey of cars with really serious performance (by which I mean
neither Hondas - well, except the NSX - nor Mustangs - I mean Porsche,
Ferrari, Lambo, Viper, Vette, etc.) will show that the vast majority of them
are in fact RWD (or all-wheel-drive). The Mustank may in fact have many
failings, but being rear-wheel-drive is not one of them.
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> Tornado) wrote:
>
> >I have some questions that I think only some true hard core ricers can
<snip>
> Troll.
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>
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>
You had to quote his entire post, to add one word and a sig even longer than
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Ryan
Tornado) wrote:
>Here is difference between a Mazda Miata and a Honda Civic. I want
>you to pay attention to this cause it's really important:
>
>The Miata is a rear wheel drive car with great weight balance that was
>designed to handle well.
You've got to be kidding me. The Miata has 142 horsepower! My
Integra has 170. And the Integra isn't trying to pass for a sports
car (at least I don't consider it one)... can't say the same for the
Miata.
White Tornado
Mark Jones
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> Because it's fun as hell to look over into the lane of the moron driver
> in the domestic watch as you pull by for the win at the local 1/4 mile
> track as he realizes that he spent $20,000+ on his ill handling heap,
> while not only are you faster at the autocross, but you are also faster
> on the road course, and now you're even faster at the drag track for
> less than $15,000.
I don't care if you strap a rocket to a Civic and
make it super fast, it is still a POS.
Troy the Troll
> In the end you are still driving a POS Honda Civic.
Hondas are not POS, Fords are.
> I don't care if you strap a rocket to a Civic and
> make it super fast, it is still a POS.
I don't own a Civic, but my Honda is pretty much good to vaporize
most street machines without trying hard. Only pansies think a 12
second quarter mile is anything other than something underage
children find interesting....adults know better.
Michael Bolden-King
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Lee Cao
> Here is difference between a Mazda Miata and a Honda Civic. I want
> you to pay attention to this cause it's really important:
>
> The Miata is a rear wheel drive car with great weight balance that was
> designed to handle well.
>
> The Civic is a cheap point-A to point-B car that was designed to get
> good gas mileage.
For most Civics, yes. However, the Civic does have a very capable
suspension setup, chassis, and is one of the better handling vehicles within
its class. Your rediculous assertion that it is a worse platform for
modification than minivans was based on a comparison of engine size. By
*YOUR* logic, not mine, the Miata would also be a worse platform than
minivans since it also has a very small engine. Do not change the argument
when you've been caught making ridiculous comparisons.
> It's like saying a fruit salad can be modified into a hamburger. When
> you're done it's really still fruit salad.
Jeezus, when did anyone say that a Civic can be modified into a Miata.
> WT.
Lee Cao
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The Zoom Zoom Zoom company that is anything but.
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Let me put it to you this way:
People modifying their Civics is similar to those that spend $20K on a
Harley motorcycle and then another 10K in mods, and they still have a "slow
pile of chrome that is all bark and no bite".
If you can respect Harley Davidson motorcycle owners, you can respect Civic
owners who modify their cars. Remember, personal preference is just that,
personal preference. Yours may be different, but it is not better or worse.
Lee Cao
Christopher K. Greenhalgh
Thanks.
David Brodbeck
> You've got to be kidding me. The Miata has 142 horsepower! My
> Integra has 170. And the Integra isn't trying to pass for a sports
> car (at least I don't consider it one)... can't say the same for the
> Miata.
- The Miata is most likely considerably lighter than your Integra.
- There's more to a sports car than raw horsepower. IIRC the Porsche
356 had less than 60 hp.
Ryan
<dbro...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Ryan wrote:
>> You've got to be kidding me. The Miata has 142 horsepower! My
>> Integra has 170. And the Integra isn't trying to pass for a sports
>> car (at least I don't consider it one)... can't say the same for the
>> Miata.
>
>
>- The Miata is most likely considerably lighter than your Integra.
It is, but my power to weight ratio is still better.
>- There's more to a sports car than raw horsepower. IIRC the Porsche
>356 had less than 60 hp.
Maybe, but Porsche wasn't using "zoom zoom" in their marketing
campaigns.
Mark Jones
> People modifying their Civics is similar to those that spend $20K on a
> Harley motorcycle and then another 10K in mods, and they still have a
"slow
> pile of chrome that is all bark and no bite".
>
> If you can respect Harley Davidson motorcycle owners, you can respect
Civic
> owners who modify their cars. Remember, personal preference is just that,
> personal preference. Yours may be different, but it is not better or
worse.
and desirable motorcycle by both owners and non-owners.
The same thing is not true for the Civic.
Puck
> The Harley is respected by a lot of people as a classic
> and desirable motorcycle by both owners and non-owners.
Yeah, and a lot of people thing that "Pro" wrestling is a sport. The fact
that I'd wager that these two groups largely intersect aside, it proves
nothing more than there are a lot of morons out there.
> The same thing is not true for the Civic.
To the great relief of Civic owners everywhere, no doubt.
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Puck
Mark Jones
> To the great relief of Civic owners everywhere, no doubt.
Civic a desirable vehicle to own.
Erik Peterson
because it is reliable transportation and more. harleys are just like ricer
hondas because they make a lotta noise and dont go fast, but at least a
honda can seat 5 in comfort and go a bit faster. chroming every piece of
metal is not stylish its stupid. why dont u get some balls and drive away
the group has obviously rejected modt of your points. i do not agree that
RWD is a con BTW!!! who ever said that is nuts.
Raymond Chuang
one and getting go-fast engines for Civics are amazingly cheap! (The same
goes for Toyota Corollas and Nissan Sentras, too).
The amount and variation of go-fast parts for Civics, Corollas and Sentras
are just mind-boggling, to say the least. Take for example a Honda Civic Si
hatchback; you could very easily swap out the original 160 bhp engine and
replace it with a stock engine from the current Japanese-market Honda
Integra Type-R (rated at 230 bhp) for a 70 bhp performance boost right
there. And there are engine modification kits (intake systems, exhaust
systems, mild cams, modified engine computers, etc.) that could boost the
230 bhp to around 300 bhp. 300 bhp on a car that weighs about 2,400 pounds?
0-60 in under 6 seconds is probably within reach.
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> Because they're morons. People with attachments to ricing Japanese cars
> have every reason to buy Sentra SE-Rs or 240SXs instead. Far superior
> platforms.
I've read about Sentra SE-R's with NISMO parts that have 300 bhp engines.
Slow they're not. :-)
SoCalMike
car n driver isnt too thrilled with the new generation
slackerbot
worse than those modifed Civics... bling bling chrome everything and a
freakin loud ass exhaust that serves no purpose except to draw
attention to the rider.
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this case... yes.
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> Harley's are overpriced relics that are driven by yuppies.
i have to disagree there. im not into harleys but a few of my neighbors are
and there isnt anything "yuppie" about them. they are the true enthusiasts.
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Mark Jones
> some people buy a Civic because they can't afford anything else. so in
> this case... yes.
the small economy cars. They chose the small car
because of the low price and fuel mileage, not because
they thought it was a highly desirable car to own.
I have owned several small cars myself, and they
were just transportation to me. Just a cheap way
to get around and nothing more.
Troy the Troll
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> "slackerbot" <slack...@isp.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote
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> > Harley's are overpriced relics that are driven by yuppies.
>
> i have to disagree there. im not into harleys but a few of my
neighbors are
> and there isnt anything "yuppie" about them. they are the true
enthusiasts.
Lying slime. Trying to venture an opinion on something you know
nothing about again? Like raising sons?
Puck
>>><people don't consider the Civic "cool" like they do the Hardley>
> > To the great relief of Civic owners everywhere, no doubt.
> So you admit that Civic owners do not consider the
> Civic a desirable vehicle to own.
Read much?
Since you're obviously not very strong on inference, I'll spell it out for
you...
To the majority, what is the main appeal of the Harley? That's right -
Image. The "lifestyle". Which is why HDUSA makes more from the sales of
apparel and related branded cruft than the actual motorcycle.
Still with me?
By that token, you could safely say that Civic owners do not think of their
cars that way. And, as I said, I'm sure they're glad of that - I thinik it
is also safe to say that they consider the "image" thing utter bullshit. Is
the Civic desirable to their owners using the dictionary definition? Of
course. Why? They're (relatively) inexpensive to buy, well built, drive
and handle well, and respond well to the vast array of mods available for
them.
Class dismissed.
--
Puck
David Brodbeck
> So you admit that Civic owners do not consider the
> Civic a desirable vehicle to own.
I desired one and I like it, but I recognize it's not the kind of car
that makes people look up and say, 'wow, I wish I had one of those.'
It's an unusually well put together compact car, and not much more. It
doesn't stand out otherwise.
David Brodbeck
> some people buy a Civic because they can't afford anything else. so in
> this case... yes.
Given that a used Civic sells for more than a NEW Kia, I doubt that's true.
RiceBoy
<snip>
>Lying slime. Trying to venture an opinion on something you know
>nothing about again? Like raising sons?
>
Actually arent you taking care of his kids... ohh your wife didn't tell
you.... sorry to let the cat out of the bag....
>
Jason
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> "White Tornado" <whitet...@irondonut.com> wrote in message
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> I have some questions that I think only some true hard girlie
> men can
> answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think
> of one
> logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the
> problem)
> would choose to modify a Ford Mustang. It's my assertion that
> the
> Ford Mustang is actually a worse platform to mod than most
> minivans. And Yugos.
> For this fact, the Ford Mustang engine is more inefficient and
> larger than
> most minivan engines which make as much power.
>
> Logically it would make sense to mod a car that was designed
> from the
> start with some thought toward performance. Clearly the Mustang
> was
> designed to go from point A to point B using the most amount of
> gas
> and having little to no style and certainly no performance.
>
> Here are some pros and cons for making a Mustang into a
> performance car:
>
> --- Cons ---
>
> * Poor weight distribution-Meager power to rear wheels, no
> weight to allow power to transfer.
> * Rear wheel drive
> * Large inefficient engine designed for trucks
> * Weak brakes
> * Flexable chassis
> * Driven by cagers of average intelligience...except funny
> looking
>
> --- Pros ---
>
> * None, zero, zip, nada. There is nothing about the design of
> the
> Mustang
> that lends itself to anything related to performance. It's
> made to
> be
> what it is cheap slow transportation. Particularly the 6
> cylinder. Which is poorly built to boot.
>
>
> Idiot cagers. I'm trying to help you out here because I am
> clearly more
> informed than you. If you are considering the purchase and
> modification of a Mustang,
> please don't do it. If you need to go domestic because its
> cheap or made in your town, you don't have to be a lemming and
> do what everyone else does so that you a
> can
> be an "in" or "cool" lemming buy a Miata. It's a much better
> choice
> for performance work. It has a little style. And if you are
> worried
> about looking like a fag driving around in a Miata? Just think
> about
> what you look like driving a Mustang with a giant wing and a
> muff that
> looks like a coffee can.
>
>
> For the betterment of society,
> WT!
>
>
David Brodbeck
> Right on. why cant ford make 100 hp / litre? why dont they? wasteful
> americans.
There's no marketing advantage in it. The people who buy Mustangs are
people who believe the more cubic inches, the better. Most of them wish
that you could still get sports cars with 454 cid V-8's.
Ralph Snart
engine is larger than the 4.6L Ford (and more powerful to boot). I've
driven 180 HP 4 cyl and I've driven 200+ HP V-8's. The 8 cyl is smoother
idling, smoother running and has torqu to spare. The 4 cyl's can give
power, but you have to drive them like you hate them.
"David Brodbeck" <dbro...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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David Brodbeck
> If that were the point, the Camaro/Firebird would still be made. The LS1
> engine is larger than the 4.6L Ford (and more powerful to boot). I've
> driven 180 HP 4 cyl and I've driven 200+ HP V-8's. The 8 cyl is smoother
> idling, smoother running and has torqu to spare. The 4 cyl's can give
> power, but you have to drive them like you hate them.
I imagine CAFE has something to do with the demise of really huge
engines. But mostly they went out of production during the gas crisis
of the 1970s, when no one could afford to feed them anymore. Cars that
get 10 mpg just aren't acceptable to people anymore, for the most part.
Michael Bolden-King
cross posting.
--
Mike King
Black 2000 Spring Feature GT
Steeda Tri-Ax and K&N
"Member Since 86"
"David Brodbeck" <dbro...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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White Tornado
worthless statistic used more in the marketing department than
anything else.
What matters in a performance car, at least when we are talking about
the engine is responsiveness and rate of acceleration.
Larger 6 and 8 cyl engines are more responsive than 4 cyls (more power
pulses per rev and lighter flywheels per displacement) You don't need
as much flywheel when you have 3 or 4 power pulses per rev versus only
2.
Larger engines have lower internal stresses and therefor will produce
large amounts of power longer than high specific output engines. Ever
wonder why larger displacement engines are used in boats? Small high
revvers wouldn't hold together long enough.
Larger engine typically produce more responsive, more rapid and more
predictable acceleration.
One day you will grow up and you will think past Honda's marketing
department.
Ross Kovelman
You can take a light car such as said earlier weighing in at 2400 lbs ( or
lighter) and drop a few hundred pounds by removing the interior and some trunk
sound deadening material. Now all you need is a swap, I personally like the
turbo route myself, so Id get a nice gs motor from an integra which doesn't
have vtec, and turbo that with around 7 psi. Standard that motor has 170 hp
and 128tq. Now figure for every 1 psi its equal to 10hp, that's an extra
70hp, so right there i am at 240hp with a car just under 2,000 lbs. That's
one hell of a sick car.
Now a days the only cars out there to truly go for is the RSX or the WRX.
Soon to be the mitsu lancer (03 model), I drive a Nissan SE-R Spec V which is
still to new but with 180tq and 170hp there is no telling what that monster
will do.
And to all those about the "ricers" nope that doesnt mean me, but with the
civic i mentioned earlier with a turbo and exhaust i wouldnt think 2 sec on it
not being in the low 13's. Build up the engine more and little tweeking and
you can hit high 12's if done right.
>
> "White Tornado" <whitet...@irondonut.com> wrote in message
> news:2f7882b9.02102...@posting.google.com...
> > I have some questions that I think only some true hard core ricers can
> > answer. I'm sitting here drawing a total blank. I can't think of one
> > logical reason why anyone of sound mind (maybe thats the problem)
> > would choose to modify a Honda Civic. It's my assertion that the
> > Honda Civic is actually a worse platform to mod than most minivans.
> > For this fact, the Honda Civic engine is more inept and smaller than
> > most minivan engines.
> >
> > Logically it would make sense to mod a car that was designed from the
> > start with some thought toward performance. Clearly the Civic was
> > designed to go from point A to point B using the least amount of gas
> > and having little to no style and certainly no performance.
> >
> >
> > Here are some pros and cons for making a Civic into a performance car:
> >
>
Lee Cao
Did you read what I wrote about personal preferences?
Lee Cao
Michael Bolden-King
> Soon to be the mitsu lancer (03 model), I drive a Nissan SE-R Spec V which
is
> still to new but with 180tq and 170hp there is no telling what that
monster
> will do.
Ooh, that's a monster. Yea right. Now please check the header and post only
to the group your interested in. No one in R.A.M.F.M. will believe anything
with less than 390 horses and 390lb.ft. of torque is anywhere close to
monster status.
Michael Bolden-King
"Jimmy" <jimsf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yes. Exactly. People hate driving gas guzzeling Explorers, Yukons,
> Escalades, Suburbans, Expiditions. You hardly see any on the road.
>
> By the way, my old (1990) V-8 "gas guzzler" mustang gets about 19 mpg
> and that's with an automatic.news:<3DC5F157...@ameritech.net>...
Ross Kovelman
out. I mean come on now, with a displacement of 2500 and 180tq what else could
you want. Not to mention look at the weight of the car, I belive its lighter
then the RSX and people have been hitting 15's in it, not to mention it rips ass
in autocross. So before you say its not a monster why not do some math and look
at the #'s it puts up. And 390 tq please i have friends with motors pushing 500
with stroker kits. You might as well stop because i am no Ricer as you refer us
too.
SwedeFiend
motors. I mean really, a 1.8 litre engine with 500 hp? Not with
bolt-ons homie... Not with a NOS setup either. Maybe once, but not
every time you juice it. I actually enjoy the "ricerockets" here in
Alabama. They are all jokes. I have only seen one or two Accords
with turbos that deserved any kind of respect. I'm sorry, but most of
the kids driving Hondas here like to throw on a 5 inch exhaust
canister, a set of neon washer nozzles and about five pounds of
stickers and roll around acting like they are driving a formula-one
car.
I drive an old Volvo 240 station wagon that I usually spank their ass
with. Almost every car here with a wing I have spanked. Every car
with a big exhaust I have stomped ino the ground.
BTW the 240 has a 2.3 non-turbo engine. Mine is balanced and
blueprinted. I have a lightweight flywheel, and a cam.
Cam intake lift is .452" (11.38mm) Duration intake is 245. Cam exhaust
lift is .242" (10.64mm) Exhaust duration is 236. It really bumps up
the acceleration. I then shaved the head .05 and port matched the
head and polished the runners and champfered the combustion areas so
that I could reduce detonation. I am guessing that the compression is
around 11:1 and up (it was originally 10.3:1).
24 mm swaybars, polyeurothene bushings, Intrax springs, Bilsteins and
a strut brace.
Anyway I have only been spanked by two hondas here. One was a Prelude
and the other was a Civic. (I don't know how...)
Anyway I think he was hitting the bottle.
As far as stripping 400 pounds from the car by removing the interior..
It is VERY hard to do. I weighed mine (on a truck scale) and after
stripping the entire rear interior from my WAGON, I only lost 240 lbs.
I am running 165 hp and have around 185 lb-ft of torque @ 3000 RPM.
Horsepower to weight ratio is the kay to acceleration. Which by the
way is what I need to focus on. I am building a 2.3 turbo next.
Gonna run it on 15 p.s.i. Others running this motor with an
Electromotive fuel system and intercooler are reporting H.P. around
350 (don't know other specs) I can't wait...
Here ricey, ricey ricey..... ;-)
Stephan Rose
Have been hitting 15's!?!? OMG!! DAMN! Amazing...you say as if that's an
accomplishment.
I don't think any of my cars are slower....STOCK. Including our minivan.
Stephan Rose
ker...@bestnetpc.com
Ross Kovelman
then right? Or is it Hunda? lol but in any case yes i have to agree there
are those that do what was mentioned earlier, but that's classifying and
that's not what i am about or my friends either we are in to the full
engine performance and the exterior look. I leave it as this, its a
persons car let them desecrate it any way they wish. Shit i have seen in
NJ now, more stangs with altezzas then Civics, so go figure.
jim
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:47:44 GMT, "Sid" <s...@streetANTIponySPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hmm... american ones.... strange from factory my wifes 99 civic ex is made
> up of 99.97% American parts and 100 % American Labor.
Really?Less than one half of one percent of the parts are from outside the U.S.A?
LMAO!!That is the biggest crock of shit I have heard in a long time.
WindsorFox {SS}
> Right on. why cant ford make 100 hp / litre? why dont they? wasteful
> americans.
>
I don't know what planet this snot nosed brat is on, but I know many,
many Ford 302s that make 100 horse power per litre or more. Easily, and
street legal. Who the hell are you try to fool kid?
--
"The frozen North will hatch a flightless bird, who will spread his
wings and dominate the Earth. He will cause an empire by the sea to
fall, to the astonishment and delight of all."
"Well I just tried Pepsi Blue for the first time and thought I would
share my thoughts. As far as the taste... I imagine this is exactly
what it would taste like if you dug up a week-old corpse and made
tea out of it..." Dr.Romulus
WindsorFox {SS}
> HAHAH who are you joking for a 4cyl with those #'s thats pretty hard to squeeze
> out. I mean come on now, with a displacement of 2500 and 180tq what else could
> you want. Not to mention look at the weight of the car, I belive its lighter
> then the RSX and people have been hitting 15's in it, not to mention it rips ass
> in autocross. So before you say its not a monster why not do some math and look
> at the #'s it puts up. And 390 tq please i have friends with motors pushing 500
> with stroker kits. You might as well stop because i am no Ricer as you refer us
> too.
>
Hmmm, hard to read that English (or lack there of). Everyone always
has friends. 170 horse power is only a monster if you are on a tricycle....
Erik Peterson
"jim" <jtu...@evilemail.com> wrote in message
news:1be02caf.02110...@posting.google.com...
my 92 civic had parts made in the US have you ever taken apart a civic dash
and read it while your taking your car apart? and this is back in 92...if i
had a choice id rather the parts came from japan cuz i wouldnt want anything
on a car from America.
Backyard Mechanic
"WindsorFox {SS}" <windso...@SPAMcox.net>
>
> I don't know what planet this snot nosed brat is on, but I know many,
> many Ford 302s that make 100 horse power per litre or more. Easily, and
> street legal. Who the hell are you try to fool kid?
>
500 hp -easily- in a street legal? Ok name a few... but you're missing the
issue on the brat.
> Jason wrote:
> > Right on. why cant ford make 100 hp / litre? why dont they? wasteful
> > americans.
> >
>
What would be wasteful would be to tune the engines that high. Current
engines make 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Same cannot be said of low torque high output engines... improvements are
made with each new design but there's something to be said for conservatism,
meaning BALANCE, in that dept.
Several decades ago I got in a discussion with "one of your lot" who claimed
the old Leyland low rpm engine was more economical than the then-current
american v-8's
Whats wasteful is vehicles that are larger and heavier than need be for
comfort...
Ross Kovelman
on sema all minivans run 16's stock or higher so try again. 15's for a
stock 4cyl is fast, granted the GT runs what a 14.5 stock, so .5 sec faster
wooo watch out now...the only argument that cant be beaten is we have the
best hp/tq per a liter while you guys have a good hp/tq per weight, thast
it, and thats in stock form.
Ross Kovelman
you cant tell that this # means number. So you find a better motor that's a 4cyl
putting up those high of #'s 180tq and 170 hp that are in the US. If you cant then
its a monster and my point is proven.
Mike Smith
> Right on. why cant ford make 100 hp / litre? why dont they? wasteful
> americans.
Why doesn't Honda do it in all their cars, rather than just a couple?
Wasteful Japanese.
--
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
> the only argument that cant be beaten is we have the
> best hp/tq per a liter while you guys have a good hp/tq per weight, thast
> it, and thats in stock form.
At the end of the day, if you're talking about acceleration, lb/hp is
all that matters. hp/l may qualify for bragging rights in some people's
minds, but lb/hp (and drag, to a lesser extent) is what translates into
timeslips.
--
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
> Bad english, nope sorry cant find one misspelled word in there
Proper English isn't just about spelling. (And, BTW, you *did* make
spelling errors; read your post again, or perhaps get someone else to
read it for you.) There's this little old thing called "grammar"...
--
Mike Smith (don't feel bad; most other people don't know what it is
either...)
Ryan
wrote:
>Hondas/Acura for there time were the best platform to mod vs the $$ value.
>You can take a light car such as said earlier weighing in at 2400 lbs ( or
>lighter) and drop a few hundred pounds by removing the interior and some trunk
>sound deadening material. Now all you need is a swap, I personally like the
>turbo route myself, so Id get a nice gs motor from an integra which doesn't
>have vtec, and turbo that with around 7 psi. Standard that motor has 170 hp
>and 128tq. Now figure for every 1 psi its equal to 10hp, that's an extra
>70hp, so right there i am at 240hp with a car just under 2,000 lbs. That's
>one hell of a sick car.
Integra GS motor is 140HP and 124 ft-lbs. 170 w/128 torque is the
GS-R motor.
Kent Finnell
"SwedeFiend" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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The next time I head out for Ft. Payne, I'll drop you a note so we can see
what you can do with a totally stock 2000 Civic Si, no wings, no exhaust
tip, no bottle ... stock, like it rolled out of the Ohio factory. Have you
ever checked out the cam specs on a B16A VTEC engine? Makes your Swedish
meatball look ordinary. The VTEC engines have 230 degree intake duration
with 10.6 to 10.7 mm lift. On the exhaust side they have 227 degrees of
duration and 9.4mm lift. Overlap is about 17 degrees. Of course that's on
the lobes that come into play at just under 5000 rpm, on the way to 8000
rpm.
What's the redline on that tractor engine of yours? I'd bet the idle is
lumpy as hell. It's not necessary, in fact it's a waste of time and money,
to do head work on a B series VTEC Honda engine. They pretty much come
right from the factory. Even giving you 700 cc, I don't think you'll be
waxing a Milano Red Si, not unless you bring a bottle of Maguire's with you.
And don't even think about taking on an Acura RSX Type S. It will only give
away 300 cc and the heads on the K20A2 iVTEC make the B series look like
they were carved with a dull pocket knife.
Just think, I like Volvos. But I have little tolerance for blowhards, no
matter what they drive.
--
Kent Finnell
From the Music City, USA
I am the NRA and I vote.
Vote Freedom First!
Stephen Bigelow
"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ykBx9.2567$7F2...@news.bellsouth.net...
>
> > I drive an old Volvo 240 station wagon that I usually spank their ass
> > with. Almost every car here with a wing I have spanked. Every car
> > with a big exhaust I have stomped ino the ground.
> > BTW the 240 has a 2.3 non-turbo engine. Mine is balanced and
> > blueprinted. I have a lightweight flywheel, and a cam.
> > Cam intake lift is .452" (11.38mm) Duration intake is 245. Cam exhaust
> > lift is .242" (10.64mm) Exhaust duration is 236. It really bumps up
> > the acceleration. I then shaved the head .05 and port matched the
> > head and polished the runners and champfered the combustion areas so
> > that I could reduce detonation. I am guessing that the compression is
> > around 11:1 and up (it was originally 10.3:1).
> > 24 mm swaybars, polyeurothene bushings, Intrax springs, Bilsteins and
> > a strut brace.
> Just think, I like Volvos. But I have little tolerance for blowhards, no
> matter what they drive.
Not to mention, there isn't a whole lot of stock Volvo left there...
SwedeFiend
>The next time I head out for Ft. Payne, I'll drop you a note so we can see
>what you can do with a totally stock 2000 Civic Si, no wings, no exhaust
>tip, no bottle ... stock, like it rolled out of the Ohio factory. Have you
>ever checked out the cam specs on a B16A VTEC engine? Makes your Swedish
>meatball look ordinary. The VTEC engines have 230 degree intake duration
>with 10.6 to 10.7 mm lift. On the exhaust side they have 227 degrees of
>duration and 9.4mm lift. Overlap is about 17 degrees. Of course that's on
>the lobes that come into play at just under 5000 rpm, on the way to 8000
>rpm.
>
>What's the redline on that tractor engine of yours? I'd bet the idle is
>lumpy as hell. It's not necessary, in fact it's a waste of time and money,
>to do head work on a B series VTEC Honda engine. They pretty much come
>right from the factory. Even giving you 700 cc, I don't think you'll be
>waxing a Milano Red Si, not unless you bring a bottle of Maguire's with you.
>
>And don't even think about taking on an Acura RSX Type S. It will only give
>away 300 cc and the heads on the K20A2 iVTEC make the B series look like
>they were carved with a dull pocket knife.
>
>Just think, I like Volvos. But I have little tolerance for blowhards, no
>matter what they drive.
am just amazed at the claims some people make with their cars. I have
had my ass handed to me a couple of times. But I would say that my
ratio of getting my ass kicked to kicking someones ass is about 1:5.
That is due to the total lack of understanding that most people have
when it comes to modifying their cars. Anyway, whenever you want to
do it. Just let me know. I am planning on tearing the motor down to
replace the pistons soon. I am going to drop on some JE pistons and
juice it. that is until I turbo it.
The Volvo redlines @ 6500 rpm from the factory. Mine stops @7000 (MSD
6Al) I would rev it higher but I do still have the factory Mahle
pistons. It does have a rough idle but it is tolerable (it idles @900
to smooth it out almost completely). I have actually raced Type S's
here and it is almost a dead level run up to 80 mph. After I replaced
the gear in the rear end I am not sure though. All of the Vtecs used
to be able to leave me from 90 - 110 but with my new rear-end I don't
think that will be happening. (I changed from 4.10:1 to 3.73:1 gears)
I will probably loose some of my takeoff power but it is a good trade.
It mostly spins anyway from a dead stop.
One last thing... I love Hondas ( I was a Honda mechanic up until a
year ago, right before I went back to college) I enjoyed their solid,
logical construction and durability. The only Hondas I don't like are
the Suv's and some of the Acuras. The old Legend is a notorious
hooptie. Just seeing one come in the shop is usually enough to cause
everyone to flee... I love Hondas though. I just hate the "ricey"
ones
Oh yeah... seriously though not trying to pick a fight, but it is
something to consider. How much did you pay for that car? I have got
a little over six grand in mine, and I don't even owe money on my Visa
for it. All the hoses are new, new radiator, tires, brakes, wiring
harnesses, Air Mass meter Fuel pumps and on and on. Now granted I
have wasted a lot of time working on this car and have spent a lot
more money on the car than it is worth, But I bought it for 300
dollars (that is three hundred dollars) seven years ago and I have
wrecked it three times and never had to pay to repair it (not at fault
accidents) It still looks good and is still realtively solid. (the
only downside is that it is leaking water into the cabin... it needs a
new windshield gasket) Just something to think about.
I hope you do enjoy your Honda, and I hope you enjoy spanking all the
posers just as much as I do ;-)
Ross Kovelman
All 2002 models
Nissan SE-R Spec V Acura RSX Mustang GT
180tq 142 tq 302tq
170hp 200hp 260hp
2746lbs 2767lbs 3208lbs
Granted the mustang is putting up bigger #'s but the weight is almost 500lbs
more 462 to be exact. But go ask any racer and they rather shed weight then
gain hp or tq. The only car that has the most potential is the Nissan, no not
cuz i have it, but for the fact I have done a lot of research on it. The only
faster car not on here is the Type-R by Acura, which was there integra line
which will beat GT's, I have seen it at the track, only bad part is that the
compression is too high and the motor cant go FI. But stock vs stock in a race
unless its a type R or the driver doesn't fuck it up the V8 will win, but not
by much.
JRK
"Ross Kovelman" <kove...@rider.edu> wrote in message
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> Bad english, nope sorry cant find one misspelled word in there, not to
mention maybe
> you cant tell that this # means number. So you find a better motor
that's a 4cyl
> putting up those high of #'s 180tq and 170 hp that are in the US. If you
cant then
> its a monster and my point is proven.
>
> WindsorFox {SS} wrote:
Try these:
...I belive its lighter; should be 'believe'
...lighter then the RSX, should be 'than'
Also, bad english does not limit you to bad spelling, the grammar is quite
bad. Its good for a second language though.
Kent Finnell
You might lose more than you think on the take off, but both pale compared
to the 6.17 gears that a friend used on a 1956 Chevy. It couldn't go very
fast, but it got there QUICK.
> One last thing... I love Hondas ( I was a Honda mechanic up until a
> year ago, right before I went back to college) I enjoyed their solid,
> logical construction and durability. The only Hondas I don't like are
> the Suv's and some of the Acuras. The old Legend is a notorious
> hooptie. Just seeing one come in the shop is usually enough to cause
> everyone to flee... I love Hondas though. I just hate the "ricey"
> ones
> Oh yeah... seriously though not trying to pick a fight, but it is
> something to consider. How much did you pay for that car? I have got
> a little over six grand in mine, and I don't even owe money on my Visa
> for it. All the hoses are new, new radiator, tires, brakes, wiring
> harnesses, Air Mass meter Fuel pumps and on and on. Now granted I
> have wasted a lot of time working on this car and have spent a lot
> more money on the car than it is worth, But I bought it for 300
> dollars (that is three hundred dollars) seven years ago and I have
> wrecked it three times and never had to pay to repair it (not at fault
> accidents) It still looks good and is still realtively solid. (the
> only downside is that it is leaking water into the cabin... it needs a
> new windshield gasket) Just something to think about.
About $18,000 brand new from Darrell Waltrip Honda/Volvo (grin). It just
reached 25,000 miles and is just starting to feel broken in. I wrecked it
once to the tune of 8K but the body shop in Franklin, TN put it back
together literally as good as new. I am using Red Line oil. The seatopants
dyno detects no hp gains, but, damn is it smooth.
> I hope you do enjoy your Honda, and I hope you enjoy spanking all the
> posers just as much as I do ;-)
I don't take on the posers, I just laugh at them. There's one kid who has
screwed up mother's car, not fiercely, but still ... 2 generations ago
Accord 4 door, huge wing, exhaust tip I could put my fist in, and a HUGE
Honda H in the rear window. I always hear it before I see it. I mentally
call it the fart machine. Mommy probably wonders what has happened to her
nice Accord.
I did give a pair of kids in a Kia posing as a poser (white paint ... model
airplane paint? ... on tail lights except where the light actually came on,
KMart dummy mag wheel covers, etc.) a demo of VTEC. They enjoyed it as much
as I did. They knew that I knew that they knew.
When my ship comes in, providing I'm not at the airport, I'll probably get a
decent CAI, headers, and cat back, not for posing, but just to make it just
a little more satisfying. I'd guess that will probably run me about a
$1000. I'm no mechanic but I know a bunch of old time hot rodders who'll be
happy to turn the wrenches for me.
If you get right down to it, it's all about personal satisfaction. The
posers 20 years from now will be saying, "I cannot believe I did that to a
car." Well, most of them any way.
Troy the Troll
marketing
> department.
One day you will grow up and realize what an accomplishment
building engines for Formula One World Championship winning
cages, Indy CART machines, Formula One motorcycle championships
in various classes, and YOU are dumb enough to think that all
that happened from a little engineering company without them
being extraordinary?
twit.
Troy the Troll
"WindsorFox {SS}" <windso...@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
news:3DC6ADFB...@SPAMcox.net...
> Jason wrote:
> > Right on. why cant ford make 100 hp / litre? why dont they?
wasteful
> > americans.
> >
>
> I don't know what planet this snot nosed brat is on, but I
know many,
> many Ford 302s that make 100 horse power per litre or more.
Easily, and
> street legal. Who the hell are you try to fool kid?
Honda cranks them out from the factory. And myself, I don't know
of many 500HP 302 Fords.
Mike Smith
>>
>> I don't know what planet this snot nosed brat is on, but I
>> know many, many Ford 302s that make 100 horse power per litre
>> or more. Easily, and street legal. Who the hell are you try
>> to fool kid?
>
> Honda cranks them out from the factory. And myself, I don't know
> of many 500HP 302 Fords.
Honda makes Ford 302s? Gee, I didn't know that.
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Mike Smith
Mike Smith
> Yea and its called I use spell check...its a function with-in
> netscape...:)
All I can say is: read your post again. You wrote "belive" instead of
"believe", and "too" instead of "to" - in addition to numerous
capitalization and apostrophe errors. Spell checkers only go so far.
(Ordinarily, I wouldn't harp on this sort of thing, but in this case you
were *so sure*...)
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Mike Smith
Michael Bolden-King
Now quit cross posting to R.A.M.F.M. we don't want to hear it.
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Mike King
Black 2000 Spring Feature GT
Steeda Tri-Ax and K&N
"Member Since 86"
"Ross Kovelman" <kove...@rider.edu> wrote in message
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slackerbot
ideal vehicle. but on the other hand, you do have enough money to be
picky.
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rich
David Brodbeck [dbro...@ameritech.net] wrote:
>
> Given that a used Civic sells for more than a NEW Kia, I doubt that's true.
>
slackerbot
don't give a hoot about cars. i mean, they have absolutely no
preference in design or brand name. these are the people that buy the
low end Hyundai and Kia vehicles because the cars are cheap, they're
good on gas, and they move from Point A to Point B in relative comfort.
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rich
Mark Jones [sp...@block.com] wrote:
>
> That would be my take on most people who drive
> the small economy cars. They chose the small car
> because of the low price and fuel mileage, not because
> they thought it was a highly desirable car to own.
>
> I have owned several small cars myself, and they
> were just transportation to me. Just a cheap way
> to get around and nothing more.
>
Sid
wait until 8,300 rpm to see it.
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Sid
'95 v6
'97 Cobra
>"Jason" wrote...
slackerbot
licensing the Harley name and image. classic example: the Ford F-150
Harley Davidson Edition. what's up with that? apparently, there is
still a huge waiting list for this ghastly vehicle. this truck is a
waste of time. it looks like a Harley Davidson catalog threw up all
over it. i can't believe people are forking out $40K - $50K for this
thing. but i guess image is everything for these people. :-P
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rich
"Puck" <.> ["Puck" <.>] wrote:
>
> Read much?
>
> Since you're obviously not very strong on inference, I'll spell it out for
> you...
>
> To the majority, what is the main appeal of the Harley? That's right -
> Image. The "lifestyle". Which is why HDUSA makes more from the sales of
> apparel and related branded cruft than the actual motorcycle.
>
> Still with me?
>
> By that token, you could safely say that Civic owners do not think of their
> cars that way. And, as I said, I'm sure they're glad of that - I thinik it
> is also safe to say that they consider the "image" thing utter bullshit. Is
> the Civic desirable to their owners using the dictionary definition? Of
> course. Why? They're (relatively) inexpensive to buy, well built, drive
> and handle well, and respond well to the vast array of mods available for
> them.
>
> Class dismissed.
>
> --
> Puck
>
slackerbot
getting some good 1/4 mile times. :-P
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rich
Jimmy [jimsf...@yahoo.com] wrote:
>
>
> Yes. Exactly. People hate driving gas guzzeling Explorers, Yukons,
> Escalades, Suburbans, Expiditions. You hardly see any on the road.
>
> By the way, my old (1990) V-8 "gas guzzler" mustang gets about 19 mpg
> and that's with an automatic.
>
WindsorFox {SS}
> "WindsorFox {SS}" <windso...@SPAMcox.net>
>
>> I don't know what planet this snot nosed brat is on, but I know many,
>>many Ford 302s that make 100 horse power per litre or more. Easily, and
>>street legal. Who the hell are you try to fool kid?
>>
>
>
> 500 hp -easily- in a street legal? Ok name a few... but you're missing the
> issue on the brat.
>
You want the owners names? People in Baton Rouge and New Orleans that
you couldn't possibly know? Get real, I know a guy that was running
nitrous instead of a blower and ran faster times than a 505 HP blown
302. Until he wrecked it.
WindsorFox {SS}
That idiot doesn't know much about anything...
WindsorFox {SS}
> Bad english, nope sorry cant find one misspelled word in there, not to mention maybe
> you cant tell that this # means number. So you find a better motor that's a 4cyl
> putting up those high of #'s 180tq and 170 hp that are in the US. If you cant then
> its a monster and my point is proven.
>
Grammar and spelling are different. and anyone that thinks 170 horse
power and 180 poundfeet of torque are "high" numbers must be used to a
tricycle.