Re: How much is Honda brand antifreeze?
Elle
with it.
OEM is something like twice as much.
Your owner's manual will tell you the 95 Civic is due for a
coolant flush every every 2 years or 45k miles, whichever
comes first.
Re adding distilled water in a pinch: The more you have to
add, the greater the risk of improper cooling or breaking
something. The lower temperatures are when you add distilled
water, the greater the risk.
I am doubtful adding coolant will remedy the problem. Is the
thermostat original? Maybe time for a replacement if adding
coolant does not remedy the problem.
Every overheating incident brings your engine's head gasket
closer to failure in the future. I would not drive until the
correct amount of coolant is in place and/or other checks
are done.
<courseincivics@jfdsjlsjz> wrote
> I've been reading around the web that only Honda brand
> coolant should be used
> for the Honda. Tonight, for the first time, I noticed my
> 1995 Civic EX's
> temperature gauge three quarters of the way to the hot
> setting, whereas it's
> usually one quarter past cool. I'm going to check the
> reservoir and the
> radiator today, but before I buy Prestone, I thought about
> heading over to
> the Honda dealer for the Honda brand. How much does it
> usually cost in
> comparison to Prestone? The car has less than 30k miles
> and never has had a
> coolant flush.
>
> In the event that it's nearly dry, is plain distilled
> water ok to add? If
> so, wouldn't that mean subsequently flushing the radiator
> so that the water
> would be replaced by the antifreeze/water 50/50 mix?
bi...@scn.org
cooling system
- low coolant level, check both radiator and the reservoir.
- air in the cooling system. bubbles come out of the bleeding taps if
air is trapped in the system.
- fauty radiator fan: does it come on?
- stuck closed thermostat: does the upper hose ever get hot?
- faulty radiator cap: does the overflow tube get hot easily?
- faulty water pump: leave the cap off, does the coolant flow when
engine is running?
- blocked passages: same as above
drivetrain
- chambers detonation: (incorrect timing, incorrect spark plugs heat
range, mixture too lean) is there any audible pinging or rattling
under load?
- transmission overheating: (automatic trans) does the trans up/down
shift properly? does the torque converter lockup work?
if you live in the south, it's OK to fill it up with distilled water
(works for aluminum blocks & heads). i would prefer anti-freeze
because of its higher boiling point. In my Honda used PEAK LongLife
premixed 50/50, silicate-free, amber color, and added a bottle of
HyperLube super coolant as a surfactant, anti-foaming agent. They are
cheap and available at most parts stores
oh and dont overlook the radiator cap, one with a weakened spring will
lower the coolant boiling point. It's bad, cause when the coolant is
boiling, it's telling the egnine that "that's it, i can't take it no
more!!!". replaced with OEM only!!!
cheers
Dave Garrett
courseincivics@jfdsjlsjz says...
> I'm thinking of buying the Honda coolant from the dealer (unless there are
> online places that sell it) and giving it to my mechanic for a radiator
> flush. Is it sold in gallon jugs, and what is the general price?
Honda coolant is sold in gallon jugs, but it's premixed already (no need
to add water). At my dealer it's about $13 a gallon.
Dave
bi...@scn.org
> Great advice (although, except for the radiator cap, each possibility
> sounds like I might be waving bye bye to a few hundred dollars!)
when all else is good, but the gauge tends to climb towards the H
mark, then the radiator cap is the top suspect.
in this case, i would also check the temp gauge sender (next to the
temp sensor) to make sure it's working right and doesn't send garbage
to the gauge!
> Is amber also the color of the factory installed coolant, which I'm
> assuming is still the same as the current Honda brand?
i have no idea. some folks say it's green in color, some say blue. i'm
only sure it contains organic rust inhibitor instead of silicate,
which tends to form gel and has adverse effects the on water pump
seal, as mentioned by other folks here
My local Honda dealer now offers a coolant system service for $49 that
includes drain & refill (not flush) with Honda coolant, radiator cap
inspection, temp gauge operation inspection and water pump noise and
leaks checking. That sounds reasonable, yes? But the problem is that
they will probably try to talk you into replacing all of those parts
and while you're at it, why not the timing belt too.. haha. If you can
find similar deals, just make sure that what's got to be done is
neccessary..
> Do you add the bottle of Hyperlube to the reservoir or the radiator?
last June, i read an article about a roundup of various brands of
additives. Hyper-Lube Super Coolant is among the top, tested on a
Civic
you can google for "cooling system additives" , it appears on
turbomagazine.com
i drained the coolant by the amount of the bottle and added it to the
radiator.
> Are there any online sites that sell actual Honda brand parts (like a
> radiator cap)?
Honda dealers should have them, but often not in stock, they have to
order. You can order them yourself from a few sites that sell OEM
honda parts
http://www.hondapartscheap.com is one of those
Dick
<courseincivics@jfdsjlsjz> wrote:
>"Elle" <honda....@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13ok846bb8ic375
>@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> Do not add Prestone. You risk an early water pump failure
>> with it.
>>
>> OEM is something like twice as much.
>>
>
>
>How much of the antifreeze/water mixture will fill up the radiator and the
>reservoir after a complete coolant flush?
>
>I'm thinking of buying the Honda coolant from the dealer (unless there are
>online places that sell it) and giving it to my mechanic for a radiator
>flush. Is it sold in gallon jugs, and what is the general price?
I can only speak to Accords which take around 5 quarts of coolant
total for service. That means 2-1/2 quarts of antifreeze. I just had
the 60,000 mile service on our Accord at the dealer, and draining and
filling the radiator cost $17.44 for the Honda antifreeze plus labor.
Figure somewhere around there.
Dick
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Jeff
> I've been reading around the web that only Honda brand coolant should be used
> for the Honda. Tonight, for the first time, I noticed my 1995 Civic EX's
> temperature gauge three quarters of the way to the hot setting, whereas it's
> usually one quarter past cool. I'm going to check the reservoir and the
> radiator today, but before I buy Prestone, I thought about heading over to
> the Honda dealer for the Honda brand. How much does it usually cost in
> comparison to Prestone? The car has less than 30k miles and never has had a
> coolant flush.
>
> In the event that it's nearly dry, is plain distilled water ok to add? If
> so, wouldn't that mean subsequently flushing the radiator so that the water
> would be replaced by the antifreeze/water 50/50 mix?
If you need coolant, you have a worse problem: There is a leak
someplace, like the water pump. While you're replacing the water pump,
you might as well replace the timing belt if it is due.
If there isn't a coolant leak, you need to diagnose the problem causing
the overheating, like a bad water pump or thermostat.
Jeff
Elle
>
>> Do not add Prestone. You risk an early water pump failure
>> with it.
>>
>> OEM is something like twice as much.
>>
>
>
> radiator and the
> reservoir after a complete coolant flush?
A simple drain and fill (meaning you leave some of the old
coolant in the engine block, but you put new coolant in the
reservoir) will require about one US gallon of either OEM
pre mixed coolant. The exact figure depends on whether your
93 Civic EX is (1) Canadian or US; (2) auto or manual. See
your owner's manual, under "Capacities" in the index, or go
to https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp for a free
online owner's manual.
Note: I think there is a typo on the capacities page (page
186). Footnote 1 should say "Excluding" not "Including."
That's "Including" is what's in my 91 Civic's manual, and
only this makes sense.
> I'm thinking of buying the Honda coolant from the dealer
> (unless there are
> online places that sell it) and giving it to my mechanic
> for a radiator
> flush. Is it sold in gallon jugs, and what is the general
> price?
The other posts have recent price quotes.
Buying it online generally cannot be done, since shipping of
fluids to your home directly is restricted or flat-out
prohibited.
I actually have used the orange Havoline anti-freeze in my
91 Civic since 2002, and all is well. It's said on the
packaging to be good for aluminum yada engines. Some here
say OEM is the only way to go. A few of us have been
experimenting with the Havoline and are happy. Experimenting
with Prestone or anything else is a no-no, AFAIC.
Bumpy
<courseincivics@jfdsjlsjz> wrote in message
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> I've been reading around the web that only Honda brand coolant should be
> used
> for the Honda. Tonight, for the first time, I noticed my 1995 Civic EX's
> temperature gauge three quarters of the way to the hot setting, whereas
> it's
> usually one quarter past cool. I'm going to check the reservoir and the
> radiator today, but before I buy Prestone, I thought about heading over to
> the Honda dealer for the Honda brand. How much does it usually cost in
> comparison to Prestone? The car has less than 30k miles and never has
> had a
> coolant flush.
>
> In the event that it's nearly dry, is plain distilled water ok to add?
> If
> so, wouldn't that mean subsequently flushing the radiator so that the
> water
would be replaced by the antifreeze/water 50/50 mix?
Did they drain the engine block water jacket? Most don't, because that drain
bolt is
a bear to break loose!
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229Ps. 81:6. "Ye are gods."
[230]"To your tribunal, Lord Jesus, I call."
231Wisd. of Sol. 19:4. "Doom which they deserved."
232"Most impudent Liars." See Provincial Letter xvi.
[233]Prov. 12:8. "A man shall be commended according to his wisdom."
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Rev. and Honored Sir,
Having seen your letter to my honored Uncle Williams of Hatfield, of
July 20, wherein you inform him of the notice that has been taken of the
late wonderful work of God, in this and some other towns in this
country, by the Rev. Dr. Watts, and Dr. Guy
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idea of it! And these sensations seem so removed from those others which we
say are the same as those with which we compare them! The sensation from the
fire, that warmth which affects us in a manner wholly different from touch,
the reception of sound and light, all this appears to us mysterious, and yet
it is material like the blow of a stone. It is true that the smallness of
the spirits which enter into the pores touches other nerves, but there are
always some nerves touched.
369. Memory is necessary for all the operations of reason.
370. Chance gives rise to thoughts, and chance removes them; no art can keep
or acquire them.
A thought has escaped me. I wanted to write it down. I write instead that it
has escaped me.
371. When I was small, I hugged my book; and because it sometimes happened
to me to... in believing I hugged it, I doubted....
372. In writing down my thought, it sometimes escapes me; but this makes me
remember my weaknes
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[39]Ps. 119:36. "Incline my heart, O Lord, unto thy testimonies."
40Cicero, De finibus, V. 21. "There is no longer anything which is ours;
what I call ours is conventional."
[41]Seneca, Epistles, xcv. "It is by virtue of senatus-consultes and
plebiscites that one commits crimes."
[42]Tacitus, Annals, iii. 25. "Once we suffered from our vices; today we
suffer from our laws."
43Saint Augustine, City of God, iv. 27. "As he has ignored the truth which
frees, it is right he is mistaken."
[44]Cicero, De officiis, iii, 17. "Concerning true law."
45Eccles. 3:19. "for all is vanity."
46Rom. 8:20-21. "It shall be delivered."
[47]Horace, Odes, III. xxix. 13. "Changes nearly always please the great."
48Seneca, Epistles, xx. 8. "In order that you are satisfied with yourself
and the good that is born from you."
[49]Montaigne, Essays, ii. 12.
50Cicero, De Divinatione, ii. 58. "There is nothing so absurd that it has
not been said by some philosopher."
51Cicero, Disputationes Tusculanae, ii. 2. "Devoted to certain fixed
opinions, they are forced to defend what they hardly approve."
52Seneca, Epistles, cvi. "We suffer from an excess of literature as from an
excess of anything."
53Cicero, De officiis, i. 31. "What suits each one best is what is to him
the most natural."
54Virgil, The Georgics, ii. "Nature gave them first these l
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the family with a great appearance of joy, a smiling countenance, and
elevation of voice; and afterwards she went into another room, where her
mother overheard her talking very earnestly to the children about it;
and particularly heard her say to them, three or four times over, with
an air of exceeding joy and admiration, Why, it is to sup with God. Some
time about the middle of winter, very late in the night, when all were
a-bed, her mother perceived that she was awake, and heard her, as though
she was weeping. She called to her, and asked her what was the matter.
She answered with a low voice, so that her mother could not hear what
she said; but thinking that it might be occasioned by some spiritual
affection, said no more to her: but perceived her to lie awake, and to
continue in the same frame, for a considerable time. The next morning
she asked her, whether she did not cry the last night. The child
answered, Yes, I did cry a little, for I was thinking about God and
Christ, and they love
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Do you know what is the ratio in that premix.???
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Either God will not permit false miracles, or He will procure greater.
Jesus Christ has existed since the beginning of the world: this is more
impressive than all the miracles of Antichrist.
If in the same Church there should happen a miracle on the side of those in
error, men would be led into error. Schism is visible; a miracle is visible.
But schism is more a sign of error than a miracle is a sign of truth.
Therefore a miracle cannot lead into error.
But, apart from schism, error is not so obvious as a miracle is obvious.
Therefore a miracle could lead into error.
Ubi est Deus tuus?209 Miracles show Him, and are a light.
847. One of the anthems for Vespers at Christmas: Exortum est in tenebris
lumen rectis corde.[210]
848. If the compassion of God is so great that He instructs us to our
benefit, even when He hides Himself, what light ought we not to expect from
Him when He reveals Himself?
849. Will Est et non est.211 be received in faith itself as well as in
miracles? And if it is inseparable in the others...
When Saint Xavier works miracles. Saint Hilary. "Ye wretches, who oblige us
to speak of miracles."
Unjust judges, make not your own laws on the moment; judge by those which
are established, and by yourselves. Vae qui conditis leges in
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for when the Scriptures had been destroyed in the captivity of the people in
the days of Nebuchadnezzar, and the Jews had gone back to their country
after seventy years, then in the times of Artaxerxes, the king of the
Persians, he inspired Ezra, the priest of the tribe of Levi, to restore all
the sayings of the prophets who had gone before, and to restore to the
people the law given by Moses." This is Pascal's rendering into Latin of the
passage from Eusebius of which the last lines are in Greek, above.
[115]"Each time that."
116Mark 2:10, 11. "But that ye may know that the son of man hath power on
earth to forgive sins... I say unto thee, Arise."
117Rom. 5:14. "The figure of him that was to come."
118Ps. 75. 5. "They have slept their sleep."
1191 Cor. 7:31 "The fashion of this world."
120Deut. 8:9. "Bread without scarceness."
121Luke 11:3. "Our daily bread."
122Ps. 71:9. "The enemies of the Lord shall lick the dust."
123Exod. 12:8. Cum lacticibus agrestibus. "With bitter herbs."
124Ps. 140:10. "Whilst that I withal escape."j
[125]Ps. 44:4 "O most mighty."
126Exod. 25:40. "Make them after their pattern, which was showed thee on the
mount."
127Mark 2:10, 11. "That ye may know... I say unto thee: Arise."
[128]John 4:23. "True worshippers."
[129]John 1:29. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the
world."
130"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked: who can
know it?"
131Is. 44:24. "I am the Lord."
132"I will do unto this house."
133"For I spoke not
z
>
> > Honda coolant is sold in gallon jugs, but it's premixed already (no need
> > to add water). At my dealer it's about $13 a gallon.
>
> > Dave
>
> Do you know what is the ratio in that premix.???
50/50
z
>
>
>
> > I've been reading around the web that only Honda brand
> > coolant should be used
> > for the Honda. Tonight, for the first time, I noticed my
> > 1995 Civic EX's
> > temperature gauge three quarters of the way to the hot
> > setting, whereas it's
> > usually one quarter past cool. I'm going to check the
> > reservoir and the
> > radiator today, but before I buy Prestone, I thought about
> > heading over to
> > the Honda dealer for the Honda brand. How much does it
> > usually cost in
> > comparison to Prestone? The car has less than 30k miles
> > and never has had a
> > coolant flush.
>
> > In the event that it's nearly dry, is plain distilled
> > water ok to add? If
> > so, wouldn't that mean subsequently flushing the radiator
> > so that the water
>
> - Show quoted text -
you don't have to go completely crazy, though. like plain water is
better than leaving it dry, temporarily. the antifreezes that sell
themselves as being compatible with hondas are probably reasonably ok,
as they wouldn't want to face class action suits. and if you do dilute
it with water a bit, it's not going to destroy the engine.
me, i try to stick with the honda stuff as much as possible, but the
last time it cracked a hose, it was friday pm of course, so i had to
fix it on saturday which meant a generic hose from poop boys, and a
quart or so of whatever coolant they sold that advertised as honda
compatible to refill it; i figure that it won't destroy the engine if
i leave it in till the next coolant change. which, with the thermostat
trouble, won't be too long. of course, it could be the coolant
destoryed the thermostat in a couple of months....
z
>
>
>
> > I've been reading around the web that only Honda brand
> > coolant should be used
> > for the Honda. Tonight, for the first time, I noticed my
> > 1995 Civic EX's
> > temperature gauge three quarters of the way to the hot
> > setting, whereas it's
> > usually one quarter past cool. I'm going to check the
> > reservoir and the
> > radiator today, but before I buy Prestone, I thought about
> > heading over to
> > the Honda dealer for the Honda brand. How much does it
> > usually cost in
> > comparison to Prestone? The car has less than 30k miles
> > and never has had a
> > coolant flush.
>
> > In the event that it's nearly dry, is plain distilled
> > water ok to add? If
> > so, wouldn't that mean subsequently flushing the radiator
> > so that the water
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah though, like the other guys said, if it's overheating it's more
likely more than just needs coolant. even if it does need coolant. the
radiators on theese guys are tiny and it doesn't take a lot of clog to
make them need replacement. which isn't a big deal. but if you leave
it and it continues overheating, it will spring a head gasket leak.
hopefully that's not what's happening yet.