Which is better: Civic EX or Civic HX coupe??
Raymond Chuang
I'm in a bit of a quandary. :-/
Right now, I'm not sure which Honda Civic coupe to get.
The Civic HX automatic coupe has that nifty CVT transmission, but the need
to add in air conditioning adds about $1,100 to the car, which prices it at
about the price of a Civic EX coupe.
The Civic EX automatic coupe is quite nice (especially the better stereo
speakers), but the gas mileage is not as good as the HX coupe, and the
sunroof does kind of impede headroom. Also, the engine tends to rev over
4,000 easily in hard acceleration, which I think might tend to really cut
down on gas mileage.
Stevens Creek Honda in Santa Clara, CA wants $16,500 for the EX coupe "out
the door" with everything paid for (taxes, DMV paperwork and license plates,
etc.). Capitol Honda in south San Jose, CA said they'll match the price (and
probably beat it).
Sounds like I need to make a visit to Auto-By-Tel....
--
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
Raymond Chuang
>Personally, I would think that the HX would be too slow...nothing is
>worse than a slow car. The EX has a lot more pep....
Actually, the Civic HX automatic coupe has a lot more pep than you think.
Mostly because with the CVT automatic, the car is always (or very close to)
the most "torquey" part of the power band of the engine, which means lots of
pulling power even though the engine is 12 bhp less powerful than the Civic
EX coupe.
I've driven the HX automatic coupe and the first think you notice is how
surprisingly FAST the car is. 80 mph comes up pretty quick, and the car goes
up steep hills quite easily.
Because the CVT is tuned to get the most out of the engine, the result is EX
coupe-like performance but with 6-8 more miles per gallon average (which is
real important considering the Civic only sports a 11.9 gallon fuel tank).
r morella
worse than a slow car. The EX has a lot more pep....
"Raymond Chuang" <rch...@slip.net> wrote:
>Folks,
>--
Patrick Wai
If we could do it again I would get the EX model (more power), manual
transmission (more fun to drive than the automatic - trust me on this one), A/C
(we have that), ABS option, traction control if you drive in the snow, optional
Honda rims (they look MUCH better than the plastic wheel covers), keyless
entry/alarm (we have that). Moonroof is optional (we have it) but it adds like
$800 to the car.
Yes, try not only Auto-by-tel but Costco and AAA. If you are a member of
Stanford Credit Union that's even better (go to the branch office and get their
brochure - you don't have to be a member to use the service). DON'T RUSH INTO
BUYING THE CAR. Once you get the figures from these services *then* what I would
do is to fax your request to the fleet manager of all the Honda dealerships
within 100 miles of San Jose. btw the salesguys and sales managers from Anderson
Honda in Palo Alto are total assholes. Don't bother with them and go straight to
the fleet manager.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Mike Doe
body style a bit and you don't want the last year of the old body style.
As for the '98, the EX invoice & dest chg is $14750. In PHX dealers are
wanting to make about $400 on the car (this is thru fleet). So your
price doesn't sound bad. I'd get the EX and enjoy the sunroof. Add a
spoiler too.
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: I would wait and geta '99 Civic, it sounds like they're chaning the
: body style a bit and you don't want the last year of the old body style.
This is not true. The body style is not changing significantly for 99.
In fact, you'd probably not see much of a difference at all. Maybe some
new interior cloths/colors as well as dropping/adding a few exterior
colors. Maybe a very slight change in styling on things like the
taillights. The BIG news for the 99 Civic is the addition of the Civic
Si, rumored to be 160 horsepower VTEC powered. If I were in the market
for a Civic right now, I'd hold off until October for the Si. I think it
will be an amazing car.
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Raymond Chuang
>The BIG news for the 99 Civic is the addition of the Civic
>Si, rumored to be 160 horsepower VTEC powered. If I were in the market
>for a Civic right now, I'd hold off until October for the Si. I think it
>will be an amazing car.
Yikes! I wonder what engine will they put into the Civic Si--the same one
used on the now-discontinued Civic del Sol VTEC? That will make the Civic Si
one barn-burner of a car. (I'll almost bet that it'll only be available on
the Coupe model and not the hatchback like they do in Japan.)
HondaPro
Quite the contrary. The 160 hp engine will be in the Si and not
offered in the coupe (I don't know why).
HondaPro
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: Yikes! I wonder what engine will they put into the Civic Si--the same one
: used on the now-discontinued Civic del Sol VTEC? That will make the Civic Si
: one barn-burner of a car. (I'll almost bet that it'll only be available on
: the Coupe model and not the hatchback like they do in Japan.)
I believe you are correct about the Si being available only in coupe and
not hatchback. If it were available as a hatch, I'd have to get a second
job and park one next to my Prelude...
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obscured image
: Quite the contrary. The 160 hp engine will be in the Si and not
: offered in the coupe (I don't know why).
:
: HondaPro
I think you're confused. The Si we'll get in the states will ONLY be a
coupe. Si = coupe. Not hatchback.
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obsc...@tiac.net (obscured image) wrote:
> I believe you are correct about the Si being available only in coupe and
> not hatchback. If it were available as a hatch, I'd have to get a second
> job and park one next to my Prelude...
I just can't understand the fascination with hatchbacks over coupes.
The ('96+ models) wheelbase & weights are virtually identical (unless you're
comparing a CX vs. EX - DX vs. HX are within 50lbs), and in the coupe you have
the option of getting higher output engine (for less than what it'd cost to
stick one in after-the-fact). Is the drag lower in the hatchback, or is it
simply a cost factor?
I could see back in the CRX days, the weight was less with the same engines
offered, but today it's the same weight with less engine... just doesn't make
much sense, I'd save a little longer and get a much nicer car.
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|I just can't understand the fascination with hatchbacks over coupes.
For a given size car, a hatchback (or station wagon) provides increased
versatility with respect to cargo carrying, compared to a coupe (or sedan).
In other words, fewer trips to the rent-a-truck/van place, less hassle
with exterior racks for large cargo, and less disassembly of large cargo.
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Donald DiPaula
r morella <nospam@nospam> wrote:
!Personally, I would think that the HX would be too slow...nothing is
!worse than a slow car. The EX has a lot more pep....
!
!
!"Raymond Chuang" <rch...@slip.net> wrote:
!
!>Folks,
!
!>I'm in a bit of a quandary. :-/
!
!>Right now, I'm not sure which Honda Civic coupe to get.
!
!>The Civic HX automatic coupe has that nifty CVT transmission, but the need
!>to add in air conditioning adds about $1,100 to the car, which prices it at
!>about the price of a Civic EX coupe.
that's why we chose the ex also. i wanted the stronger engine, she wanted
the moonroof, and the a/c made them about the same price.
!>The Civic EX automatic coupe is quite nice (especially the better stereo
!>speakers), but the gas mileage is not as good as the HX coupe, and the
!>sunroof does kind of impede headroom. Also, the engine tends to rev over
!>4,000 easily in hard acceleration, which I think might tend to really cut
!>down on gas mileage.
my wife drives a 96 civic ex coupe. i'm 6'1", headroom is fine for me in the
front seat. gas mileage is nowhere near what the window sticker says: using
oxygenated gasoline and a/c on all the time (we live in tucson), we're lucky to
get 28 mpg; 26 is typical. yes, we tend to keep the revs higher than the
government did to calculate the mileage. we get 30+ mpg on highway trips. i
expect that the difference between window mileage and real mileage would be
similar on the HX.
!>Stevens Creek Honda in Santa Clara, CA wants $16,500 for the EX coupe "out
!>the door" with everything paid for (taxes, DMV paperwork and license plates,
!>etc.). Capitol Honda in south San Jose, CA said they'll match the price (and
!>probably beat it).
!
!>Sounds like I need to make a visit to Auto-By-Tel....
back before we knew about auto-by-tel we bought our '96 for $15,500
out-the-door in maryland. we thought the price was fair; not great, not bad,
but fair. maryland tax was 5%, by the way. i know we could have done better
if we had the time to call some buying services first.
-D-
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only thing the Hx has in fuel economy and that special trans!
Jonathan
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David Britton
I've been driving hatchbacks since 1979 (RX7). Traded my 87 CRX for an
96 Integra hatchback. Can't see living without a hatchback.
I would have gotten a Civic Hatchback if they had an SI version.
I was at Best Buy and saw some people trying to stuff a 25" TV in the
back seat or trunk of a Sentra without any luck. I easily fit a 27" TV
in my CRX (had to bungee the hatch down). I really only need the hatch
about 2-3 times a year, but when you need it you really need it.
>
> In article <timleeEy...@netcom.com>,
> see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome wrote:
>
> > For a given size car, a hatchback (or station wagon) provides increased
> > versatility with respect to cargo carrying, compared to a coupe (or sedan).
>
> I'm guessing, they're seeing a lot of people who said "who needs a
> hatchback?" when buying a car, and who now drive to Home Depot with Civic
> coupes and need to carry even minimally bulky stuff home.
Kevin McMurtrie
>In article <timleeEy...@netcom.com>,
>see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome wrote:
>
> > For a given size car, a hatchback (or station wagon) provides increased
> > versatility with respect to cargo carrying, compared to a coupe (or sedan).
> > In other words, fewer trips to the rent-a-truck/van place, less hassle
> > with exterior racks for large cargo, and less disassembly of large cargo.
>
>The local Home Depot has started to rent trucks to get your stuff home in.
>They're trying to remove the barrier to getting your stuff home. $20 or
>$25 for 75 minutes.
>
>I'm guessing, they're seeing a lot of people who said "who needs a
>hatchback?" when buying a car, and who now drive to Home Depot with Civic
>coupes and need to carry even minimally bulky stuff home. There's
>obviously a market for catering to those types of people.
Home Depot sells a lot of things that wouldn't fit into or on top of any hatchback. Measure the length of your car then visit the lumber and plumbing sections.
socalmike
closed the hatch, too. also a 3x8 sheet of plywood, a toilet, a door...
not all at the same time, of course. nothing beat my rabbit 'vert for
cargo-carrying, tho. i took a couch home from ikea in it. top down, of
course!
Matthew Powell
David Britton wrote in message <35EB17...@nospam.lucent.nospam.com>...
>Snipped some stuff.
>I've been driving hatchbacks since 1979 (RX7). Traded my 87 CRX for an
>96 Integra hatchback. Can't see living without a hatchback.
the Civic was a hatch, and the Integra/Celica/240SX-style were liftbacks or
something...
Mike Kohlbrenner
>
> ... The BIG news for the 99 Civic is the addition of the Civic
> Si, rumored to be 160 horsepower VTEC powered. If I were in the market
> for a Civic right now, I'd hold off until October for the Si. I think it
> will be an amazing car.
obscured image wrote:
>
> ...It's a CIVIC. Roll it all into a down payment on a Prelude or a GSR.
But, obscured image, AKA Mr./Ms. Negative Attitude, "It's a CIVIC".
How can it be "an amazing car"?
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Mike Kohlbrenner
<kohlbren (-a t-) an dot hp dot com> sorry!
vbda...@gmail.com
> Folks,
> I'm in a bit of a quandary. :-/
>
>
>
> Stevens Creek Honda in Santa Clara, CA wants $16,500 for the EX coupe "out
> Sounds like I need to make a visit to Auto-By-Tel....
>
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