You are funny.
BrianC302 wrote in message <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what
happens. The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian
It's time to climb onto my soapbox, even though I'm sure my driving
experience with those cars equals Brian's: None.
The Vette and the Viper are the cumulation of the big 3's idea of what an
American wants in a sports car; something with invert-asshole acceleration;
rounded, "sporty" styling; and commercials/advertisements that show hearty
Americans building America's hearty cars. Yawn. There are plenty of
people who would love a Vette (please notice the second 'e') or a Viper,
and I have no tremendous hatred for them, nor would I unzip my fly and
empty my bladder on a crowd of the cars' fans, as you seem to be doing,
Brian. However, the technology in the two Red-White-Blue cars is quite
old, and reflects my guess of GM and Chrysler's target buyer. Someone who
grew up with muscle cars.
The kids of today (I happen to be one of them) don't really want to spend
their future riches on a Viper or a Vette. When free time discussions turn
to cars, everyone talks of the SSX, M3, M5, 911, MR-S, and especially the
Skyline. Only one person that I know who is within three years of my age
has any interest in a Vette or a Viper. We talk of inline sixes and
turboed fours, of variable valve timing and all-wheel-drive, of engines
mounted in the right places for handling, but never of pusrods or
domestics. Unless, of course, we're chanting of the destruction of all
minivans.
The NSX rests as Honda's flagship vehicle, and seems to be an example of
all of their awesome technology glued together in a car that smoked the
Vette in Car And Driver's 0-150-0 test like a cheap cigar. The NSX has a
better power-to-drag ratio, and because it has an engine with modern,
fuel-efficient technology and a mysteriously new idea called CAMS, doesn't
require the power-zapping, fuel-saving, gearing of the Vette.
As for an NSX compared against a Viper, they only compare in price. The
NSX holds and travels on the road like a fine running shoe, the Viper like
a combat boot coated with resin. The NSX has brakes that don't require
modulation to panic stop, and has a TCS (I think, at least) that will allow
dummies to stay alive. A dummy behind the wheel of America's menacing
muscle car will quickly wrap the snake around a telephone pole as if it
were a boa constrictor. Yep, the viper is quicker. It also has almost 3
times the displacement of the "garbage" NSX. Let's see Chrysler squeeze
450 horses out of the same 3.2 liters as Honda.
Also, from what I have felt and heard of American cars, they lack spirit or
a tactile link to the driver's soul. Even my Accord EX, with 130 legless,
syphilis-infect, blind, horses has found a place in my heart. I never
dislike driving when I'm behind her wheel. I've ridden in countless
American vehicles and can see their appeal to some, but not for me.
Americans are afraid to put manual trannies in anything in the middle
range: Saturns and Cavaliers have them, 'Stangs and Vettes have them, but
nothing in between. Even the new 300, touted as a return to the old letter
cars, has front-wheel-drive and a 4-speed automatic/autostick transmission.
This is an embarassment to the 300's of yesterday. If an Alero or an
Intrigue had a manual tranny, I know of many loyal importphiles who would
dust of their American flag and proudly raise it over their garage. That
is, of course, if the big 3's famous reliability question was finally put
to rest.
Don't get me wrong, however: America does many things well: We have great
trucks! If I were ever out to buy a death wagon, AKA sport-UTE, I'd bring
my checkbook to a Jeep dealer and drive off happy.
To close, perhaps you should stop thinking of just inciting flames, and
start posting smart comments. Criticism is fine; it makes companies fix
bad stuff. However, if you make an ass of yourself, then no one will take
you seriously.
Sincerely,
Eric B Venet
Mag...@psynet.net
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what
happens. The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian
Making statements about a car you have only seen pictures of is quite foolish.
:80) Rascal
>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>superior american competitors.
>Brian
...and what Kind of car do you own? Obviously, something faster than
a slow NSX..
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>On 14 Dec 1998 23:41:22 GMT, bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
>>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
>>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
>>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
>>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
>>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>>superior american competitors.
>>Brian
>
>You are funny.
Yep, he is funny.
But then again, looks aren't everything.
Brian (the other one)
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William Ho <hoch...@sprintmail.com> wrote in article
<754ooa$b51$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> Why the heck do you always post stupid shit like this? Like "Honda's are
> junk" or "NSX is garbage"???? Did you ever reply to that guy about
"Brians
> psychology"???? He made some very valid points that I agree with. From
now
> on, I will add a filter to the messages I download to reduce all this
*crap*
> that takes up so much space.
>
>
>
> BrianC302 wrote in message
<19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...
Brian,
Go see the Best Motoring SuperSpeed Battle issue of 1994 and watch the
NSX-R go
head on with a Viper RT10 in the acceleration test. The track is a
basic oval
track. The two cars were right next to each other all the way up to
155mph.
That was with a 3.0L 270HP engine. The newer NSX has the 3.2L 290HP
engine.
You should also watch the race segment of that issue. If I remember
correctly
they had a F40, 456GT, Viper, Ruf 911, Velsitte Supra, regular Supra,
regular
911 and a NSX-R. The 911 and NSX has the least amount of HP all of cars
here.
But at end of ten laps the NSX was number 2, behind the first place
F40.
Viper was getting passed by all kinds of cars. The track was wet that
day from
the rain.
Jim
Have a nice day Brian. I know you are reading this.
BrianC302 wrote in message <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...
>~~NSX is garbage!!!~~~
>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced.
Yes, IMO, it is overpriced.
>It is no better than the Covrvett and
>costs twice as much.
If it is no better than the Vette, and you say the Vette is better, how
is the NSX junk?
> Yes, the NSX does handle as well and
>maybe even a little better than the vett
>but put it up against the Viper and see
>what happens.
The Viper doesn't have the balence of the NSX. Coming out of a corner,
while the Viper grips the shit out of it, the VIper will out accelerate
the NSX. The Viper has TWICE the amount of torque. Around the track,
they would boast very similar times.
>The Viper is faster, cheaper, and
>corners as well if not better.
True.
> Looks to me like the NSX either needs
>some more power or a lower price to
>keep up with its superior american
>competitors.
Who said the NSX competes with the Vette or Viper? The Viper competes
with 355's and 911's (and runs with them), th Vette competes with well,
I dunno, it just kicks everyones ass. The NSX is a great car, BUT it is
overpriced. It is not garbage. Unlike other HOndas and Acuras, this
car has torque and RWD. It is the one thing that is desireable from a
performance standpoint. (Inc. Teg R's!)
It all comes down to where your loyolties lie. Some fool said there was
no technology in the Vette. Scuse me? The technology might be old, but
it is like fine wine, it gets better every year. If you want technology,
get an Eldorado with the DOHC V-8 Northstar. Or get an Alero/Aroura.
The Vette never was a technological breakthrough, it never was intended
to be. If you wanted one, geta ZR-1. WIth technology, you pay a lot
more, ie. NSX. Im gonna stick to my pushrod tech, easier to work on,
and its aged to perfection! : )
>Brian
See ya!
Mike
"Yre aou nucking futs?"
bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens.
The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian
>
er, um, ok. fact: corvette is spelled with an E at the end. To see how to
properly spell the word Corvette go here http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/
this is the chevy website, I hope they know how to spell it. fact: while the
Viper is definately a better accelerator, the NSX will outperform it on the
turns, hell, my friends M3 will outhandle a Viper, but now we are getting
into the ability of the driver. fact: NSX has many more amenities than either
the Vette (notice an E at the end) or the Viper. Conclusion: your skewed
facts are as good as your spelling. -- Sam
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um, ok rick.
your car is still slow!
>The kids of today (I happen to be one of them) don't really want to spend
>their future riches on a Viper or a Vette. When free time discussions turn
>to cars, everyone talks of the SSX, M3, M5, 911, MR-S, and especially the
>Skyline. Only one person that I know who is within three years of my age
>has any interest in a Vette or a Viper. We talk of inline sixes and
>turboed fours, of variable valve timing and all-wheel-drive, of engines
>mounted in the right places for handling, but never of pusrods or
>domestics. Unless, of course, we're chanting of the destruction of all
>minivans.
>
>The NSX rests as Honda's flagship vehicle, and seems to be an example of
>all of their awesome technology glued together in a car that smoked the
>Vette in Car And Driver's 0-150-0 test like a cheap cigar. The NSX has a
>better power-to-drag ratio, and because it has an engine with modern,
>fuel-efficient technology and a mysteriously new idea called CAMS, doesn't
>require the power-zapping, fuel-saving, gearing of the Vette.
Are we talking about the same Honda Motor Company that demolished
record after record in the 1988 Formula One season by winning Fifteen
(15) of the Sixteen (16) races?! Hmmm 2 drivers against 30 or so,
winning 15 of 16 races. That demonstrates the sheer technology base
that Honda works with.
The Viper will easily outperform the NSX in acceleration, braking, and raw
cornering ability (g force). On any race track, the Viper will lap at faster
speeds than the NSX. Does this mean it is a better sports car- No. The NSX
is a much more enjoyable car to drive, has a much higher level of
refinement, and actual handles better in a real world street environment.
So, I'll take the Viper for racing and the NSX for the street.
Why can't Honda get more power out of the NSX 6 cylinder engine if they can
get 240 hp out of only 2 liters on the S2000. Let's see- with the same
hp/liter ratio and rpm, the NSX has potential of almost 400 hp @9000 rpm!
Amazing.
My apologies: Through my rambling it was apparently not clear; I'm
pointing out the awesome technology. It seems as if my rambling style of
speech blurred the silver "H" that is tattooed across my chest. Okay,
maybe I don't have an "H" tattoo...
Eric B Venet
Mag...@psynet.net
Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
get those numbers out of their performace cars.
Paul
1991 NSX
BrianC302 wrote in message <19981215171601...@ng50.aol.com>...
>um, ok rick
.
can't say that i am
the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway
Rick.
P.S. :All you people don't mind if Brian will post a long sensible message?
BrianC302 wrote in message <19981215214014...@ng54.aol.com>...
It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
mph.
Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
this,
get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
then
start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
you'll
get a pretty good mpg.
what the hell are you talking about? Get a clue! Why would you be going 28
mph in 6th gear?
Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67) wrote:
> BrianC302 wrote:
> >
> > >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
> > >YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
> > >get those numbers out of their performace cars.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >1991 NSX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway
>
: the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway
In R&T a 1993 Porsche 911 was rated at better fuel economy than the NSX.
Ryan
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"mj6044" <mj6...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >er, um, ok. fact: corvette is spelled with an E at the end. To see how to
> >properly spell the word Corvette go here http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/
> >this is the chevy website, I hope they know how to spell it. fact: while
> the
> >Viper is definately a better accelerator, the NSX will outperform it on the
> >turns, hell, my friends M3 will outhandle a Viper, but now we are getting
> >into the ability of the driver. fact: NSX has many more amenities than
> either
> >the Vette (notice an E at the end) or the Viper. Conclusion: your skewed
> >facts are as good as your spelling. -- Sam
>
> The Viper will easily outperform the NSX in acceleration, braking, and raw
> cornering ability (g force). On any race track, the Viper will lap at faster
> speeds than the NSX. Does this mean it is a better sports car- No.
I had meant that it was mostly based on driver skill, I don't deny in any
situation that if you put a competent driver behind the wheel of each of
these cars that the Viper won't come out on top, but lets face it alot of the
people who drive these cars aren't the same caliber driver, I can say I saw
almost every viper spin out in the corners because they were putting too much
power down too early while my friends M3 would power out smoothly and pass
the viper. -- Sam
The NSX
> is a much more enjoyable car to drive, has a much higher level of
> refinement, and actual handles better in a real world street environment.
> So, I'll take the Viper for racing and the NSX for the street.
>
> Why can't Honda get more power out of the NSX 6 cylinder engine if they can
> get 240 hp out of only 2 liters on the S2000. Let's see- with the same
> hp/liter ratio and rpm, the NSX has potential of almost 400 hp @9000 rpm!
> Amazing.
>
>
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bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
> >It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
> >with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
> >mph.
> >Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
> >this,
> >get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
> >then
> >start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
> >you'll
> >get a pretty good mpg.
> >
> >
> >
>
> what the hell are you talking about? Get a clue! Why would you be going 28
> mph in 6th gear?
>
because he is in a vettE and he can. it has all that low end torque right? he
should use it for something. hehe
--
Sam
> It is no better than the Covrvett
you have the right to an opinion, but isn't it Corvette?
> put it up against the Viper and see what happens.
I can tell you what has happened to multiple Vipers so far, there engines blew
up, water pumps fried, they are not reliable.
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
So buuy a Viper, but keep your AAA card and cellular phone close by.
>Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
>squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
>YES, 28 miles per gallon.
BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.
> I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche,
>etc. get those numbers out of their
>performace cars.
Maybe its because they have more than 300hp, they have more than 400hp
and well, the Viper and Vette can because they cruise at 70 at 1200rpms
with a smaller tank!!
>Paul
>1991 NSX
The Viper is another story, it is fast and it does corner but its too big
for European roads (Not your problem!)
The NS-X is a little slow I admit but it is also economical and the all
round wishbone suspension (Truely a work of art) means that on a twisty road
it will leave its competition behind despite the lack of power.
The NS-X is a beautifully designed and built car which I would like to own
because it is an example of the finest in automotive engineering. The Vette
and Viper are just streamlined trucks.
Malc
BrianC302 wrote in message <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...
>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett
and
>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a
little
>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens.
The
>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me
like
>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>superior american competitors.
>Brian
BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.
You're forgetting that 300 RPM on any honda is really quite low in the
powerband. While that may be the redline on some older american cars <joke>
it is nowhere near the top.
Gareth
And not Jesus Version 5.0 approved either....Fucking blasphemers!
De streets shall flow wit de blood of de non-believers!!!!
Muahahahahahahahah!!!!
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How does size of the fuel tank affect mileage?
typo, that was suppose to be 28mpg. But I still stand by my point,
28mpg
is almost impossible to get in a Vette.
It doesn't. Im just saying, with a smaller gas tank, the Vette STILL
gets better mileage than the NSX. IOW, you can go longer without
stopping for gas.
Wonder really what kind of mileage the NSX can get crusing at 80 in six
gear at 3500rpm. My Prelude cruising at 80mph at 4000rpm gets about
30mpg.
NSX's engine is 1.45 times bigger, but revs at 1.17 times slower. Then
again, mileage is not the reason I'll buy a NSX.
Jim
No BS here. I just drove on a long trip last weekend. Topped off the NSX
before the trip. Drove 355.70 miles. It only took 12.01 gallons to top
it off again. Do the math. 29.61mpg! The best I've ever got. I was in
5th gear turning slightly under 3000rpm.
When I drove the car hard at Laguna Seca Raceway, my mileage was only
12.54mpg. I was only using 2nd and 3rd gear and constantly in the
6000-8000rpm range.
Overall, this car ceases to amaze me.
Paul
1991 NSX
Oops! I meant to say this car NEVER ceases to amaze me.
Paul