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BrianC302

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The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
superior american competitors.
Brian

Tak

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You are funny.

WillDaBeast

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i raced my honda elite 50s against a brand new mustang, and smoked it! anyone want
to hear the tale?

William Ho

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Why the heck do you always post stupid shit like this? Like "Honda's are
junk" or "NSX is garbage"???? Did you ever reply to that guy about "Brians
psychology"???? He made some very valid points that I agree with. From now
on, I will add a filter to the messages I download to reduce all this *crap*
that takes up so much space.

BrianC302 wrote in message <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...

Eric B Venet

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(BrianC302) wrote:

> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what
happens. The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian

It's time to climb onto my soapbox, even though I'm sure my driving
experience with those cars equals Brian's: None.

The Vette and the Viper are the cumulation of the big 3's idea of what an
American wants in a sports car; something with invert-asshole acceleration;
rounded, "sporty" styling; and commercials/advertisements that show hearty
Americans building America's hearty cars. Yawn. There are plenty of
people who would love a Vette (please notice the second 'e') or a Viper,
and I have no tremendous hatred for them, nor would I unzip my fly and
empty my bladder on a crowd of the cars' fans, as you seem to be doing,
Brian. However, the technology in the two Red-White-Blue cars is quite
old, and reflects my guess of GM and Chrysler's target buyer. Someone who
grew up with muscle cars.

The kids of today (I happen to be one of them) don't really want to spend
their future riches on a Viper or a Vette. When free time discussions turn
to cars, everyone talks of the SSX, M3, M5, 911, MR-S, and especially the
Skyline. Only one person that I know who is within three years of my age
has any interest in a Vette or a Viper. We talk of inline sixes and
turboed fours, of variable valve timing and all-wheel-drive, of engines
mounted in the right places for handling, but never of pusrods or
domestics. Unless, of course, we're chanting of the destruction of all
minivans.

The NSX rests as Honda's flagship vehicle, and seems to be an example of
all of their awesome technology glued together in a car that smoked the
Vette in Car And Driver's 0-150-0 test like a cheap cigar. The NSX has a
better power-to-drag ratio, and because it has an engine with modern,
fuel-efficient technology and a mysteriously new idea called CAMS, doesn't
require the power-zapping, fuel-saving, gearing of the Vette.

As for an NSX compared against a Viper, they only compare in price. The
NSX holds and travels on the road like a fine running shoe, the Viper like
a combat boot coated with resin. The NSX has brakes that don't require
modulation to panic stop, and has a TCS (I think, at least) that will allow
dummies to stay alive. A dummy behind the wheel of America's menacing
muscle car will quickly wrap the snake around a telephone pole as if it
were a boa constrictor. Yep, the viper is quicker. It also has almost 3
times the displacement of the "garbage" NSX. Let's see Chrysler squeeze
450 horses out of the same 3.2 liters as Honda.

Also, from what I have felt and heard of American cars, they lack spirit or
a tactile link to the driver's soul. Even my Accord EX, with 130 legless,
syphilis-infect, blind, horses has found a place in my heart. I never
dislike driving when I'm behind her wheel. I've ridden in countless
American vehicles and can see their appeal to some, but not for me.
Americans are afraid to put manual trannies in anything in the middle
range: Saturns and Cavaliers have them, 'Stangs and Vettes have them, but
nothing in between. Even the new 300, touted as a return to the old letter
cars, has front-wheel-drive and a 4-speed automatic/autostick transmission.
This is an embarassment to the 300's of yesterday. If an Alero or an
Intrigue had a manual tranny, I know of many loyal importphiles who would
dust of their American flag and proudly raise it over their garage. That
is, of course, if the big 3's famous reliability question was finally put
to rest.

Don't get me wrong, however: America does many things well: We have great
trucks! If I were ever out to buy a death wagon, AKA sport-UTE, I'd bring
my checkbook to a Jeep dealer and drive off happy.

To close, perhaps you should stop thinking of just inciting flames, and
start posting smart comments. Criticism is fine; it makes companies fix
bad stuff. However, if you make an ass of yourself, then no one will take
you seriously.

Sincerely,
Eric B Venet
Mag...@psynet.net


nsx

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In article <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>, bria...@aol.com
(BrianC302) wrote:

> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what
happens. The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian

Making statements about a car you have only seen pictures of is quite foolish.

R姩�£

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Oh boy.....and here we go again!

:80) Rascal

Dllem

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Ms/Mr.bri...@aol.com (BrianC302) lightened all our hearts with::

>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>superior american competitors.
>Brian


...and what Kind of car do you own? Obviously, something faster than
a slow NSX..

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Brian Hepler

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Hear ye! Hear ye! heaven...@direct.ca (Tak) proclaimed:

>On 14 Dec 1998 23:41:22 GMT, bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:

>>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
>>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
>>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
>>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
>>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>>superior american competitors.
>>Brian
>

>You are funny.

Yep, he is funny.

But then again, looks aren't everything.

Brian (the other one)

************************************
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************************************
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how much you want it to do that. It
won't do that. You can't drive a Ford
into a lake and expect it to work
like a submarine."

headbone

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because HE WANTS a response and has nothing else to do...


William Ho <hoch...@sprintmail.com> wrote in article
<754ooa$b51$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...


> Why the heck do you always post stupid shit like this? Like "Honda's are
> junk" or "NSX is garbage"???? Did you ever reply to that guy about
"Brians
> psychology"???? He made some very valid points that I agree with. From
now
> on, I will add a filter to the messages I download to reduce all this
*crap*
> that takes up so much space.
>
>
>
> BrianC302 wrote in message
<19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...

Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)

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BrianC302 wrote:
>
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little
> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens. The
> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.
> Brian

Brian,

Go see the Best Motoring SuperSpeed Battle issue of 1994 and watch the
NSX-R go
head on with a Viper RT10 in the acceleration test. The track is a
basic oval
track. The two cars were right next to each other all the way up to
155mph.
That was with a 3.0L 270HP engine. The newer NSX has the 3.2L 290HP
engine.
You should also watch the race segment of that issue. If I remember
correctly
they had a F40, 456GT, Viper, Ruf 911, Velsitte Supra, regular Supra,
regular
911 and a NSX-R. The 911 and NSX has the least amount of HP all of cars
here.
But at end of ten laps the NSX was number 2, behind the first place
F40.
Viper was getting passed by all kinds of cars. The track was wet that
day from
the rain.

Jim

0-bitch2.5sec

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Brian, why do you keep posting "garbage" here? Do I have to say it again?
REPLY MY POSTS AND I WILL TELL YOU WHATS GOING ON with your brain cells. If
you don't have enough money to buy your meds, which really is showing up in
your posts, I have a lot of samples here.
Just say, "Rick, I'm here." That is good enough as an acknowledgement that
you will cooperate with me. Will you?
Ummm, Brian?
Look, we are stuck here. The therapy can not have progress unless you
cooperate with me. Just in case you forget as your case is usually is, we
will have an online psychotherapy. Sounds exciting? I know how you feel. You
have this anger toward people ( in this case unfortunately Honda people)
that you doesn't even know why. That is why you need me to help you explore
your feelings. I have done my part and all you need to do is acknowledge it.

Have a nice day Brian. I know you are reading this.

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Michael Ereon

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Brian Churchilll remains the target of assasinaton as he said:

>~~NSX is garbage!!!~~~


>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced.

Yes, IMO, it is overpriced.

>It is no better than the Covrvett and
>costs twice as much.

If it is no better than the Vette, and you say the Vette is better, how
is the NSX junk?

> Yes, the NSX does handle as well and
>maybe even a little better than the vett
>but put it up against the Viper and see
>what happens.

The Viper doesn't have the balence of the NSX. Coming out of a corner,
while the Viper grips the shit out of it, the VIper will out accelerate
the NSX. The Viper has TWICE the amount of torque. Around the track,
they would boast very similar times.

>The Viper is faster, cheaper, and
>corners as well if not better.

True.

> Looks to me like the NSX either needs
>some more power or a lower price to
>keep up with its superior american
>competitors.

Who said the NSX competes with the Vette or Viper? The Viper competes
with 355's and 911's (and runs with them), th Vette competes with well,
I dunno, it just kicks everyones ass. The NSX is a great car, BUT it is
overpriced. It is not garbage. Unlike other HOndas and Acuras, this
car has torque and RWD. It is the one thing that is desireable from a
performance standpoint. (Inc. Teg R's!)

It all comes down to where your loyolties lie. Some fool said there was
no technology in the Vette. Scuse me? The technology might be old, but
it is like fine wine, it gets better every year. If you want technology,
get an Eldorado with the DOHC V-8 Northstar. Or get an Alero/Aroura.
The Vette never was a technological breakthrough, it never was intended
to be. If you wanted one, geta ZR-1. WIth technology, you pay a lot
more, ie. NSX. Im gonna stick to my pushrod tech, easier to work on,
and its aged to perfection! : )

>Brian

See ya!
Mike
"Yre aou nucking futs?"


NaT4eae

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LOL, I knew it was a "BrianC302" post the second I saw "NSX" and "garbage" in
the same sentence....Did he say he had a 78 Mustang2 ?
ANYWAYS...this unbelivibly stoopid guy, yes, you Brian, Instant Messages me the
other day, I have never talked in person to this guy, and the FIRST thing he
says is "Your car is junk"...LOL He's quite a character....Brian, please, just
listen this once...TAKE RICK UP ON HIS OFFER, I'M SURE HE CAN GET YOU SOME
HELP....I don't belive your totally lost yet Brian, just seek some help
pal...PLEASE ??? Do it for us Honda guys and gals....we hate to see you
suffer....
NiChE
97 Civic EX

sama...@my-dejanews.com

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bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett and
> costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a little


> better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens.
The

> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like


> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.

> Brian
>

er, um, ok. fact: corvette is spelled with an E at the end. To see how to
properly spell the word Corvette go here http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/
this is the chevy website, I hope they know how to spell it. fact: while the
Viper is definately a better accelerator, the NSX will outperform it on the
turns, hell, my friends M3 will outhandle a Viper, but now we are getting
into the ability of the driver. fact: NSX has many more amenities than either
the Vette (notice an E at the end) or the Viper. Conclusion: your skewed
facts are as good as your spelling. -- Sam

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BrianC302

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>Brian, why do you keep posting "garbage" here? Do I have to say it again?
>REPLY MY POSTS AND I WILL TELL YOU WHATS GOING ON with your brain cells. If
>you don't have enough money to buy your meds, which really is showing up in
>your posts, I have a lot of samples here.
>Just say, "Rick, I'm here." That is good enough as an acknowledgement that
>you will cooperate with me. Will you?
>Ummm, Brian?
>Look, we are stuck here. The therapy can not have progress unless you
>cooperate with me. Just in case you forget as your case is usually is, we
>will have an online psychotherapy. Sounds exciting? I know how you feel. You
>have this anger toward people ( in this case unfortunately Honda people)
>that you doesn't even know why. That is why you need me to help you explore
>your feelings. I have done my part and all you need to do is acknowledge it.
>

um, ok rick.

BrianC302

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your car is still slow!

it's me

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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:57:35 -0500, mag...@psynet.net (Eric B Venet)
wrote:


>The kids of today (I happen to be one of them) don't really want to spend
>their future riches on a Viper or a Vette. When free time discussions turn
>to cars, everyone talks of the SSX, M3, M5, 911, MR-S, and especially the
>Skyline. Only one person that I know who is within three years of my age
>has any interest in a Vette or a Viper. We talk of inline sixes and
>turboed fours, of variable valve timing and all-wheel-drive, of engines
>mounted in the right places for handling, but never of pusrods or
>domestics. Unless, of course, we're chanting of the destruction of all
>minivans.
>
>The NSX rests as Honda's flagship vehicle, and seems to be an example of
>all of their awesome technology glued together in a car that smoked the
>Vette in Car And Driver's 0-150-0 test like a cheap cigar. The NSX has a
>better power-to-drag ratio, and because it has an engine with modern,
>fuel-efficient technology and a mysteriously new idea called CAMS, doesn't
>require the power-zapping, fuel-saving, gearing of the Vette.


Are we talking about the same Honda Motor Company that demolished
record after record in the 1988 Formula One season by winning Fifteen
(15) of the Sixteen (16) races?! Hmmm 2 drivers against 30 or so,
winning 15 of 16 races. That demonstrates the sheer technology base
that Honda works with.


mj6044

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>er, um, ok. fact: corvette is spelled with an E at the end. To see how to
>properly spell the word Corvette go here http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/
>this is the chevy website, I hope they know how to spell it. fact: while
the
>Viper is definately a better accelerator, the NSX will outperform it on the
>turns, hell, my friends M3 will outhandle a Viper, but now we are getting
>into the ability of the driver. fact: NSX has many more amenities than
either
>the Vette (notice an E at the end) or the Viper. Conclusion: your skewed
>facts are as good as your spelling. -- Sam


The Viper will easily outperform the NSX in acceleration, braking, and raw
cornering ability (g force). On any race track, the Viper will lap at faster
speeds than the NSX. Does this mean it is a better sports car- No. The NSX
is a much more enjoyable car to drive, has a much higher level of
refinement, and actual handles better in a real world street environment.
So, I'll take the Viper for racing and the NSX for the street.

Why can't Honda get more power out of the NSX 6 cylinder engine if they can
get 240 hp out of only 2 liters on the S2000. Let's see- with the same
hp/liter ratio and rpm, the NSX has potential of almost 400 hp @9000 rpm!
Amazing.

Eric B Venet

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> >The NSX rests as Honda's flagship vehicle, and seems to be an example of
> >all of their awesome technology glued together in a car that smoked the
> >Vette in Car And Driver's 0-150-0 test like a cheap cigar. The NSX has a
> >better power-to-drag ratio, and because it has an engine with modern,
> >fuel-efficient technology and a mysteriously new idea called CAMS, doesn't
> >require the power-zapping, fuel-saving, gearing of the Vette.
>
>
> Are we talking about the same Honda Motor Company that demolished
> record after record in the 1988 Formula One season by winning Fifteen
> (15) of the Sixteen (16) races?! Hmmm 2 drivers against 30 or so,
> winning 15 of 16 races. That demonstrates the sheer technology base
> that Honda works with.

My apologies: Through my rambling it was apparently not clear; I'm
pointing out the awesome technology. It seems as if my rambling style of
speech blurred the silver "H" that is tattooed across my chest. Okay,
maybe I don't have an "H" tattoo...

Eric B Venet
Mag...@psynet.net


nsx

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> The Viper will easily outperform the NSX in acceleration, braking, and raw
> cornering ability (g force). On any race track, the Viper will lap at faster
> speeds than the NSX. Does this mean it is a better sports car- No. The NSX
> is a much more enjoyable car to drive, has a much higher level of
> refinement, and actual handles better in a real world street environment.
> So, I'll take the Viper for racing and the NSX for the street.
>
> Why can't Honda get more power out of the NSX 6 cylinder engine if they can
> get 240 hp out of only 2 liters on the S2000. Let's see- with the same
> hp/liter ratio and rpm, the NSX has potential of almost 400 hp @9000 rpm!
> Amazing.

Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
get those numbers out of their performace cars.

Paul
1991 NSX

0-bitch2.5sec

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Wow! you acknowledged me Brian, now, please tell me just a quick yes or no,
ARE YOU IN A PSYCHOTHERAPY?

BrianC302 wrote in message <19981215171601...@ng50.aol.com>...
>um, ok rick

.

BrianC302

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>
>Wow! you acknowledged me Brian, now, please tell me just a quick yes or no,
>ARE YOU IN A PSYCHOTHERAPY?
>

can't say that i am

BrianC302

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>Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
>YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
>get those numbers out of their performace cars.
>
>Paul
>1991 NSX
>
>
>
>

the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway

0-bitch2.5sec

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The way you answered me shows that your mind is disturbed, confused or
disoriented. Everybody here knows that but I want to know why. You always
use the word- "garbage, stupid, "dick" among other things. I know you are
but I don't know why. Don't get upset what I just mentioned. Learn to be
restrained but don't suppress your feelings. In fact, the use of those words
help you express yourself BUT its in a negative way.(In the future we will
learn how to divert that)Answer me in a cooperative way to the questions
that I ask you.
Since its impossible to see you in person, tell me your lifestyle,especially
your childhood completely if you still have one.
Note: This is the first part. My next question will be based on your
responses. Be honest.


Rick.
P.S. :All you people don't mind if Brian will post a long sensible message?

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Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)

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It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
mph.
Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
this,
get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
then
start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
you'll
get a pretty good mpg.

BrianC302

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>It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
>with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
>mph.
>Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
>this,
>get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
>then
>start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
>you'll
>get a pretty good mpg.
>
>
>

what the hell are you talking about? Get a clue! Why would you be going 28
mph in 6th gear?

WillDaBeast

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that burns more gas as wide open throttle really sucks it down...

Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67) wrote:

> BrianC302 wrote:
> >
> > >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
> > >YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
> > >get those numbers out of their performace cars.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >1991 NSX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway
>

Ryan Rahim

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BrianC302 (bria...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
: >YES, 28 miles per gallon. I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche, etc.
: >get those numbers out of their performace cars.
: >
: >Paul
: >1991 NSX
: >
: >
: >
: >

: the vett gets 28 mpg on the highway

In R&T a 1993 Porsche 911 was rated at better fuel economy than the NSX.

Ryan

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"mj6044" <mj6...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >er, um, ok. fact: corvette is spelled with an E at the end. To see how to
> >properly spell the word Corvette go here http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/
> >this is the chevy website, I hope they know how to spell it. fact: while
> the
> >Viper is definately a better accelerator, the NSX will outperform it on the
> >turns, hell, my friends M3 will outhandle a Viper, but now we are getting
> >into the ability of the driver. fact: NSX has many more amenities than
> either
> >the Vette (notice an E at the end) or the Viper. Conclusion: your skewed
> >facts are as good as your spelling. -- Sam
>

> The Viper will easily outperform the NSX in acceleration, braking, and raw
> cornering ability (g force). On any race track, the Viper will lap at faster
> speeds than the NSX. Does this mean it is a better sports car- No.

I had meant that it was mostly based on driver skill, I don't deny in any
situation that if you put a competent driver behind the wheel of each of
these cars that the Viper won't come out on top, but lets face it alot of the
people who drive these cars aren't the same caliber driver, I can say I saw
almost every viper spin out in the corners because they were putting too much
power down too early while my friends M3 would power out smoothly and pass
the viper. -- Sam

The NSX
> is a much more enjoyable car to drive, has a much higher level of
> refinement, and actual handles better in a real world street environment.
> So, I'll take the Viper for racing and the NSX for the street.
>
> Why can't Honda get more power out of the NSX 6 cylinder engine if they can
> get 240 hp out of only 2 liters on the S2000. Let's see- with the same
> hp/liter ratio and rpm, the NSX has potential of almost 400 hp @9000 rpm!
> Amazing.
>
>

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bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
> >It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
> >with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
> >mph.
> >Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
> >this,
> >get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
> >then
> >start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
> >you'll
> >get a pretty good mpg.
> >
> >
> >
>

> what the hell are you talking about? Get a clue! Why would you be going 28
> mph in 6th gear?
>

because he is in a vettE and he can. it has all that low end torque right? he
should use it for something. hehe
--
Sam

james...@trw.com

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bria...@aol.com (BrianC302) wrote:
> The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced.
Overpiced, yes but check out Amazon stock if you want overpriced.

> It is no better than the Covrvett

you have the right to an opinion, but isn't it Corvette?

> put it up against the Viper and see what happens.

I can tell you what has happened to multiple Vipers so far, there engines blew
up, water pumps fried, they are not reliable.

> Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me like
> the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
> superior american competitors.

So buuy a Viper, but keep your AAA card and cellular phone close by.

Michael Ereon

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Group: rec.autos.makers.honda Date: Tue, Dec 15, 1998, 8:48pm (EST-3)
From: n...@vtec.com (nsx) Re: ~~NSX is garbage!!!~~~

>Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
>squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
>YES, 28 miles per gallon.

BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.

> I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche,
>etc. get those numbers out of their
>performace cars.

Maybe its because they have more than 300hp, they have more than 400hp
and well, the Viper and Vette can because they cruise at 70 at 1200rpms
with a smaller tank!!

>Paul
>1991 NSX

Gag Halfrunt

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Take a look at this months "Car" magazine. They tested a whole bunch of fast
cars by thrashing them round Castle Combe race circuit. The Vette's brakes
couldn't take more than a couple of laps but then its wheel bearings failed
too. A totally standard Subaru Impreza Turbo 4 door saloon equalled its
best lap time. A BMW M Roadster did an equal lap time. The Lotus Esprit V8
GT was over 4 seconds a lap faster, the Porsche 911 a second and a half
faster. The Impreza 22B a second faster and the Ferrari F355 3 seconds
faster. So the Vette is cheap for its performance but the quality of the
brakes and suspension is inferior. Its the old story of the Vette being
great for cruising along smooth straight roads but not much else.

The Viper is another story, it is fast and it does corner but its too big
for European roads (Not your problem!)

The NS-X is a little slow I admit but it is also economical and the all
round wishbone suspension (Truely a work of art) means that on a twisty road
it will leave its competition behind despite the lack of power.

The NS-X is a beautifully designed and built car which I would like to own
because it is an example of the finest in automotive engineering. The Vette
and Viper are just streamlined trucks.

Malc


BrianC302 wrote in message <19981214184122...@ng60.aol.com>...

>The Honda NSX is slow and overpriced. It is no better than the Covrvett


and
>costs twice as much. Yes, the NSX does handle as well and maybe even a
little

>better than the vett but put it up against the Viper and see what happens.
The


>Viper is faster, cheaper, and corners as well if not better. Looks to me
like
>the NSX either needs some more power or a lower price to keep up with its
>superior american competitors.

>Brian

EVO

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>Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
>squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
>YES, 28 miles per gallon.

BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.


You're forgetting that 300 RPM on any honda is really quite low in the
powerband. While that may be the redline on some older american cars <joke>
it is nowhere near the top.

Gareth


Jesus Version 5.0

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And not Jesus Version 5.0 approved either....Fucking blasphemers!

De streets shall flow wit de blood of de non-believers!!!!

Muahahahahahahahah!!!!


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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E-mail:Jesu...@usa.net
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WillDaBeast

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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my honda idles at around 750 rpm....what kind of honda do you have that runs at
300 rpm?

Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)

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Michael Ereon wrote:
>
> Group: rec.autos.makers.honda Date: Tue, Dec 15, 1998, 8:48pm (EST-3)
> From: n...@vtec.com (nsx) Re: ~~NSX is garbage!!!~~~
>
> >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
> >squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
> >YES, 28 miles per gallon.
>
> BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
> of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.
>
> > I'd like to see a Viper, Ferarri, Porsche,
> >etc. get those numbers out of their
> >performace cars.
>
> Maybe its because they have more than 300hp, they have more than 400hp
> and well, the Viper and Vette can because they cruise at 70 at 1200rpms
> with a smaller tank!!
>

How does size of the fuel tank affect mileage?

Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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BrianC302 wrote:
>
> >It's pretty obvious you have never tried to get 28 mpg in a Vette. Even
> >with cruise set to 70 mph in 6th gear, it's still pretty hard to get 28
> >mph.
> >Believe me, we tried and tried and tried. There is another way to do
> >this,
> >get the Vette up to like 150, then shut the engine off and coast down,
> >then
> >start the engine again and get to 150 again. Keep on doing this and
> >you'll
> >get a pretty good mpg.
> >
> >
> >
>
> what the hell are you talking about? Get a clue! Why would you be going 28
> mph in 6th gear?

typo, that was suppose to be 28mpg. But I still stand by my point,
28mpg
is almost impossible to get in a Vette.

Michael Ereon

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Group: rec.autos.makers.honda Date: Thu, Dec 17, 1998, 10:28am From:
jim...@americasm01.nt.com (Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)) Re: ~~NSX is
garbage!!!~~~

>How does size of the fuel tank affect
>mileage?

It doesn't. Im just saying, with a smaller gas tank, the Vette STILL
gets better mileage than the NSX. IOW, you can go longer without
stopping for gas.

EVO

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So i missed an 0! make me drive a ford ferrchriisakes!
Gareth
WillDaBeast wrote in message <3678AD07...@demonic.org>...

>my honda idles at around 750 rpm....what kind of honda do you have that
runs at
>300 rpm?
>
>EVO wrote:
>
>> >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
>> >squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
>> >YES, 28 miles per gallon.
>>
>> BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
>> of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.
>>

Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)

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"Wei, Jim (BNR:BNRTP:3R67)" wrote:
>
> Michael Ereon wrote:
> >
> > Group: rec.autos.makers.honda Date: Tue, Dec 15, 1998, 8:48pm (EST-3)
> > From: n...@vtec.com (nsx) Re: ~~NSX is garbage!!!~~~
> >
> > >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
> > >squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
> > >YES, 28 miles per gallon.
> >
> > BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
> > of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.
> >

Wonder really what kind of mileage the NSX can get crusing at 80 in six
gear at 3500rpm. My Prelude cruising at 80mph at 4000rpm gets about
30mpg.
NSX's engine is 1.45 times bigger, but revs at 1.17 times slower. Then
again, mileage is not the reason I'll buy a NSX.

Jim

jimwei.vcf

nsx

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> >Oh. I didn't mention that the NSX can
> >squeeze out 28mpg on the highway!
> >YES, 28 miles per gallon.
>
> BULLSHIT!! When you are cruising at 70mph at 3000rpms, there is no way
> of getting 28mpg, especially in a 19 gallong tank.

No BS here. I just drove on a long trip last weekend. Topped off the NSX
before the trip. Drove 355.70 miles. It only took 12.01 gallons to top
it off again. Do the math. 29.61mpg! The best I've ever got. I was in
5th gear turning slightly under 3000rpm.

When I drove the car hard at Laguna Seca Raceway, my mileage was only
12.54mpg. I was only using 2nd and 3rd gear and constantly in the
6000-8000rpm range.

Overall, this car ceases to amaze me.

Paul
1991 NSX

nsx

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Oops! I meant to say this car NEVER ceases to amaze me.

Paul

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