civic won't start after timing belt change-HELP!
Ropert's Aloha
looser mechanic) replaced my timing belt and water pump on my 91 Civic Hatch
1500cc. After a successful ordeal getting the crankshaft pulley bolt off, I
thought I had made it. Well I must have messed up when I put the T-belt on.
The cam sprocket did move a tiny bit, so I moved it back to the side marks
and the up, straight up. Thought every thing was AOK. Put everything back
and it won't start up.
Went back and took just the top timing belt cover off and when the rotor
cap is pointed to the number one, the cam sprocket shows straight up and
side marks where they are supposed to be. What am I missing?
How can I tell if I'm off a tooth and would just being off one cause it not
to start at all?
thanks in advance
Gary now stranded.......
John Ings
Did you do the usual check for fuel and spark?
It's natural to assume the belt is the problem but you may have
knocked off a wire somewhere. Did you change the fuel filter at the
same time by any chance?
kyle lallave
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Ropert's Aloha
> Did you do the usual check for fuel and spark?
I checked for spark by simply taking out a plug and wire and then cranked. I
saw spark from the plug. I didn't do every plug, but assume that means I
have spark.
Did you change the fuel filter at the
> same time by any chance?
No, didn't change the fuel filter. How would I check for fuel? I really
didn't do anything but take the valve cover off and disconnected the air
cleaner. I looked at all the connections over and over. Maybe I'm missing
something...........
Ropert's Aloha
>i had the same prob with my 1995 civic...its was the coil in the
>distributor
But was it after changing the timing belt?? It started fine before changing
the T-belt. I have spark coming out of the plugs, wouldn't that mean the
coil is ok?
John Ings
<removero...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>No, didn't change the fuel filter. How would I check for fuel?
There's usually a plug at the end of the fuel rail.
The reason I asked is this: If somehow the fuel system has been
drained, the short time the fuel pump runs when you turn the key on is
not enough to refill it. I once changed my fuel filter and then
wondered why the engine wouldn't start. The reason is that it takes
maybe a dozen key-on-key-off cycles without turning the engine over
before the fuel rail is filled and at full operating pressure. The ECU
will not let the pump run for more than a couple of seconds if the
engine is not running. The same situation can occur if you have
leaking injector.
Terry
Unless it has been changed you almost certainly have one that is at
best marginal. In the last 3 months I have repaired 13 PGM-FI relays
in 1989 through 1994 Civics an Accords.
Most failed in hot weather, but 2 failed after the car was allow to
"rest" for a week or so in moderate, 50F, weather. Pull the realy, a
major PITA the first time, remove the old solder, and resolder.
Do NOT remove all the solder at the same time else some parts will
fall out. Desolder one spot at a time.
And be ceratin that your spark plugs are in good shape. A friend
had some minor problems, hard start, especialy after a short rest
while the engine and weather wer warm, sometimes rough idle on a
hot start, , some sputtering on heavy acceleration.
I checked his relay and sure enough it was flakey, two joints had
crystalised. I redid his realy and his car still wouldn't start.
I pulled the plugs and they were filthy. Replaced the plugs with
an used set that I cary in my Civic, just in case, and the engine
started right up. The PGM-FI relay was bad because we checked for
fuel presure at the fuel filter. He had about 10K on the plugs.
I advised him to pull and check the plugs every 30 days for a
few months, just to be sure something else isn't wrong.
There is no burst of smoke on a cold start so I doubt if his vavle
seals have failed. The enigne only has 130K on it and he is the
orignal owner and takes good care, changes the oil evey 40000~5000
miles, and changes the air/fule/ filter, pvc favle and spark
plugs onec a year even if there hasn't been enough milage to warrent
it.
Terry
Woody
crankshaft timing set correctly and not 180 out.....
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Randolph
the end of the cam shaft.
jim beam
> Good point, but not likely on an engine where the distributor runs off
> the end of the cam shaft.
valve timing, not ignition. he could be trying to ignite an exhaust
cycle, not compression.
Randolph
cam shaft, the distributor shaft is keyed and goes in the only one way,
no ambiguity. The distributor housing can only be rotated a small
amount. Thus the ignition timing will be correct relative to the valve
timing (give or take a few degrees of housing adjustment).
If the cam shaft is rotated 180° it is of no consequence, it would be
equivalent to the crankshaft being rotated 360°.
A possible problem would be ignition at BDC instead of TDC, but that
would mean camshaft of by 90°, very unlikely.
Woody does have a valid point, many engines have the distributor on the
block rather than on the head, and then you have plenty of opportunity
to get the ignition timing and valve timing out of phase with each
other.
Further discussion about this is probably of little general interest, so
if you disagree with my "analysis", shoot me an e-mail at
ng_randolph*at*yahoo.com.
Burt Squareman
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> I have spark coming out of the plugs, ... coil is ok?
Yes, by chance a plug or two may die while cranking. I recommend
check all four plugs and clear the cylinders of excess fuel.
>How would I check for fuel?
Remove plug, crank, fuel should spew out.
>How can I tell if I'm off a tooth?
Twist cam by hand till the valves in cylinder 1 visibly seats. Remove
plug and check cylinder is fully at top. Or run a compression test.
>Would just being off one cause no start?
No
Mathu
model/year, and had the same problem after replacing just the rotor,
the distributor cap and the ignition wires(did not touch the timing
belt in my case). Following is the sequence of events that cleared
things for my problem.(Perhaps try this .....provided your TB,
camshaft, crankshaft are alignment properly);
1) Reset the ECU.
2) Cranked the engine in 5 second intervals. In my case, the engine
caught up on the sixth try. Has been running fine ever since.
I do not know whether this will solve your problem, but since you
indicate in a later e-mail that you were looking at the rotor to check
alignment, perhaps one additional thing to try??
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Ropert's Aloha
The problem............I was off a few teeth..on the crank shaft. Since I've
only done a couple of timing belts(Mazda and Ford ranger trucks), they were
so easy. But I followed the Haynes book exactly and they got me so concerned
about the TDC(top dead center) that I didn't pay attention to the bottom of
the crank shaft. Even though I had everything lined up when I took the crank
bolt out, it tuned enough while getting that bolt off. Then I had a neighbor
tell me it doesn't matter whether you have the actual engine at TDC. All you
have to do is make sure the marks are lined correct on the cam sprocket and
the marks are lined correct on the crank shaft, and you got it. Well I did
what he said and sure enough it fired up right away.
What a stooge I am. But I have learned! Next time will be a different story!
Thank so much for your replies
Gary Ropert
Haleiwa Hawaii