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Patrick

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me. I remember seeing a strip or
something that hangs from the car and just barely touches the
ground...this is supposed to discharge any static and such?!?! Has
anyone seen it? Also where can I get it, like website wise. Also does
anyone know of any really good performance and accessorie
websites...like nopi etc.

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trientyM...@usa.net

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I think you're talking about a curb feeler. They were popular when I
was in second grade, (early 80's). I think they stuck out fron the
fender and make a noise when they touch the curb, thereby helping the
driver parallel park. I bought one as a gag gift for my brother...
He was not amused.

Mel

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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Not quite - he's talking about a strap that hangs from the underside of the car
(usually near the rear of the car ) - same idea though makes contact with the
ground to discharge the buildup. You can get them at any autoparts store but I'm
thinking the poster wants one of the ones with a reflector on it and I'm
guessing those are more expensive which is why he wants one off the net.
Unfortunately, I'm in Canada and I don't know what site you can get them from.

mel

trientyM...@usa.net wrote:

> I think you're talking about a curb feeler. They were popular when I
> was in second grade, (early 80's). I think they stuck out fron the
> fender and make a noise when they touch the curb, thereby helping the
> driver parallel park. I bought one as a gag gift for my brother...
> He was not amused.
>

--

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a trunk full of radiator fluid."


Euler

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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What the strap really does is just ground(in the electrical sense) the car
to the ground. You could make one yourself, just use a conductive material
and fix one end to the frame of your car and let the other trail on the
ground. I wouldn't pay for something like that that you could easily put
together yourself.

However I wonder if that's really necessary. Use a voltmeter and check if
there is a difference in potential between the frame of your car and the
ground, and if there isn't it wouldn't make any difference.

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stinkface

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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The strip that hangs from the underside of the car is a thin strip
that discharges static. This is usually an item available at most
auto accessories. Some strips also comes complete with a little
reflector triangle that makes the look complete....


On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:27:39 -0400, trientyM...@usa.net wrote:

>I think you're talking about a curb feeler. They were popular when I
>was in second grade, (early 80's). I think they stuck out fron the
>fender and make a noise when they touch the curb, thereby helping the
>driver parallel park. I bought one as a gag gift for my brother...
>He was not amused.
>
>

>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:07:45 -0700, Patrick
><chengN...@mannesmann-usa.com.invalid> wrote:
>

trientyM...@usa.net

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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Ok... is there really a need for something like that? I can see
protected computer equipment using a grounding instrument, but is that
really necessary in a car?


On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:58:25 -0400, Mel <do...@emailme.com> wrote:

>Not quite - he's talking about a strap that hangs from the underside of the car
>(usually near the rear of the car ) - same idea though makes contact with the
>ground to discharge the buildup. You can get them at any autoparts store but I'm
>thinking the poster wants one of the ones with a reflector on it and I'm
>guessing those are more expensive which is why he wants one off the net.
>Unfortunately, I'm in Canada and I don't know what site you can get them from.
>
>mel
>

Mel

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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Something tells me he's already at the point where he doesn't need the
voltmeter - he's probably getting shocked everytime he gets out of the car and
tries to shut the door (like me - it's kinda like a twisted Pavlov experiment
for me ;) )

mel

Euler wrote:

> What the strap really does is just ground(in the electrical sense) the car
> to the ground. You could make one yourself, just use a conductive material
> and fix one end to the frame of your car and let the other trail on the
> ground. I wouldn't pay for something like that that you could easily put
> together yourself.
>
> However I wonder if that's really necessary. Use a voltmeter and check if
> there is a difference in potential between the frame of your car and the
> ground, and if there isn't it wouldn't make any difference.
>
>

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Klemens Fehringer

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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The static discharge occurs when you wear some artificial clothes or you got
seats which are coated with artificial materials.
(if somebody wants to know more about it mail me).
You cannot meassure this electrostatic voltage (and please dont try it with
a digital voltmeter because in worst case you destroy it (the small
integrated circuit in it)).
Its about a few thousands of volts. But its not harmful because there is
bearly no current. The best and cheapest thing you can do is to fix a
flexibel copper wire at any spot at the bottom of your car with contact to
the mass (its the negative pol) of your car. The length should be about the
distance from attaching point to bottom plus about two inch. There must be a
conductable connection. Maybe after a while you have to replace the copper
because its loosing length due to street-contact.

K.

Dick Miles

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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What good will grounding the car do against static created when I slide out
of my seat? None! The seats on my 2000 Odyssey are the most static
producing I've ever run across.
Dick

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Adam Drew

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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I've found a good way to prevent the shock. While sitting in the seat,
open the door, but don't get out. Grab the metal frame around the
window, and get out of the car. Voila! No more shocks!

--Adam

Steve Garrotto

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Apr 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/5/00
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Just use the window to close the door, not the frame!

SLG

Mel <do...@emailme.com> wrote:


(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

Rudy Ray Moore

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Phelper,

I get the same thing everytime I step out of my accord car... but i'm
pretty sure thats due to you dragging your butt along the seat when you
get out... which transfers charge from you to the car... and comes right
back at you when you close your car door. If this is the case, you need
a chain that connects the car to YOU, not the earth!

Rudy

In article
<B27AB145CB545827.47F73279...@lp.airnews.net>,
phe...@mail.airmail.net.gov says...
> Well, some Gas tankers drag metal or chains so that they don't spark
> off and blow up...
>
> On my 99 Civic EX, I get jolted everytime I get out of the car. I
> wouldn't mind one either.

Rudy Ray Moore

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In article <38EBE916...@technonet.com>, ad...@technonet.com says...

>
> I've found a good way to prevent the shock. While sitting in the seat,
> open the door, but don't get out. Grab the metal frame around the
> window, and get out of the car. Voila! No more shocks!

I used to do the same thing... for years... now I just hop out and
instinctively touch my car with my elbow... I get shocked every time, but
it never hurts! (works even with long sleeves)

Rudy

phelper

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Apr 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/6/00
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Klemens Fehringer

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Apr 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/6/00
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some physics for you folks:
when you create a voltage due to slipping around on your seat you get one
part of the charge and the car the other. when you get out of the car you
are splitting this charges -> voltage increases. you become grounded when
your feet reach the bottom. but your car is still insulated due to rubber
from the wheels. this means that you are neutral charged (with potential of
earth) in relation to earth and the car is still charged. when you get in
touch with some metal of the door for example the charge wants to be the
same on both sides: the car and you. so a electrical shock occurs.
when you touch the door during getting off the car you won't feel an
electrical shock because the charges aren't splitted (this means the
distance ins't becoming bigger between the charges, so the voltage is always
the same: ~0)

you are working like a grounding wire for the car: use a flexible copper
wire attached at the bottom of the car to do it instead of you

K.
student of electrical engineering

Dick Miles

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Apr 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/6/00
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You get the shock (after you slide across the seat) when you touch the car,
whether it is grounded or not.
Student of common sense

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Derek

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Klemens Fehringer wrote:

> some physics for you folks:
> when you create a voltage due to slipping around on your seat you get one
> part of the charge and the car the other. when you get out of the car you
> are splitting this charges -> voltage increases. you become grounded when
> your feet reach the bottom. but your car is still insulated due to rubber
> from the wheels. this means that you are neutral charged (with potential of
> earth) in relation to earth and the car is still charged. when you get in
> touch with some metal of the door for example the charge wants to be the
> same on both sides: the car and you. so a electrical shock occurs.
> when you touch the door during getting off the car you won't feel an
> electrical shock because the charges aren't splitted (this means the
> distance ins't becoming bigger between the charges, so the voltage is always
> the same: ~0)
>
> you are working like a grounding wire for the car: use a flexible copper
> wire attached at the bottom of the car to do it instead of you
>
> K.
> student of electrical engineering

are you sure you're a student of engineering? you seem confused
on this topic w.r.t. what voltage is exactly and what charge is.

charges "splitted" <--- ??????


Klemens Fehringer

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Apr 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/6/00
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I'm not a native speaker so its difficult to translate words which you
cannot find in any dictionary.

In German we could discuss this topic in a way that no one would understand
this anymore. Here I didn't want to go to much in details for a better
understanding.

But if you, dear Derek know it better than I, why didn't YOU explain it??
To say something about words I wrote which wouldn't match perfectly isn't as
difficulty as to explain it.


PS.: with splitted I meant the charges are separated and the distance
between both is growing

I'm sure YOU still know it better again

big woody

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you could also use fabric softener when washing your clothes or spray
Static Guard on your seats.

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Mackie336

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Apr 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/8/00
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Touch something metal in the car get out compleatly, then let go. no more
shocks

aMAZon

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Apr 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/8/00
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Dick Miles wrote:
>
> What good will grounding the car do against static created when I slide out
> of my seat? None! The seats on my 2000 Odyssey are the most static
> producing I've ever run across.
> Dick

It's nice to know I'm not the only one with this situation.
Is there anything else one might do, besides getting zapped as you exit
the van?

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"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

Dick Miles

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How often do the seats need to be sprayed?
Dick

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>you could also use fabric softener when washing your clothes or spray
>Static Guard on your seats.

Use the static guard idea! I've used it on my last two cars and it does
eliminate the shock when you get out. It's simple and cheap and doesn't
require any special sequence for getting out of your car.

-Trevor
www.partscheap.com

trientyM...@usa.net

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Is it really that painful that you have to get rid of it? I mean come
on... A little zap never hurt anybody. I'd rather get a little sting
than drink a ton of coffee every morning.


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wrote:

TAllen240

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Kevin McMurtrie

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In article <38EF07FF...@worldnet.att.net>,
zesz...@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>Dick Miles wrote:
>>
>> What good will grounding the car do against static created when I slide
>> out
>> of my seat? None! The seats on my 2000 Odyssey are the most static
>> producing I've ever run across.
>> Dick
>
>It's nice to know I'm not the only one with this situation.
>Is there anything else one might do, besides getting zapped as you exit
>the van?


Keep your hand on the chasis as you get out. (My all-time best is a 3
inch spark on an unusually dry day.)


If you want to see some really serious shit, pick up a plastic rolling
chair mat off a synthetic carpet in a building with a plugged up air
conditioner. Faint sparks were flying all over the place; some 8 inches
long. I did it a few times just to shock lots of people :)

Kevin McMurtrie

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In article <20000408205519...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
tall...@aol.comspamnot (TAllen240) wrote:

Is Static Guard one of those ammonia based sprays? They work by eating
into a bit of the fabric to give it a hydroscopic surface. I don't
think I'd want to use that on a regular basis.

TAllen240

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Apr 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/11/00
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>How often do the seats need to be sprayed?

I only use it about twice a year, real light sprays. But it is fairly humid
here most of the year so it isn't as bad then. I notice it most in the winter.

TAllen240

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>Is it really that painful that you have to get rid of it? I mean come
>on... A little zap never hurt anybody.

Yeah, nothing like leaning over to kiss the passenger and having a 1/4" spark
jump over to her to make her want to kiss you again....

Peter Chow

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Apr 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/11/00
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The Accord I have isn't too bad - just a little static on sunny days (mostly
beacause of my jacket though). The leather seats are pretty good in that
respect (the main reason I chose leather in fact). The worst car I've been
in was a Buick Century with this material that was so electric that your
hair would stand on end and when you got out of the thing it would bolt you
like your heart had stopped or something!

Peter

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Victor Grubsky

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Apr 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/15/00
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Well, now I see what they mean when they talk about a "spark between two people"
:-)
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